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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0MDQzXzY5NUMwNzdB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAzODExXzY5RTFGQjEy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAzNjY0XzVDNTRCNDUw] [quote:Zuzu:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk2OTAzXzZFQTQ4MEFF] Wow :gasp: "[i][b]Does The Jones Act Put Us Under Maritime Law By Our Birth Certificate? Why Is Your Name Spelled In All Capital Letters[/b][/i]" "[i]Maritime admiralty law considers you a maritime admiralty product, simply because you were birthed out of your mother's water. A ship sits in its birth until the captain gives a certificate of manifest to the port authorities. The reason you are required to have a Birth Certificate is because at the time of your birth there is an exchange of money to cover hospital costs. The dock signs your birth certificate simply because that is what the ship is tied to, you will need a dock to sign your birth certificate."[/i] http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hub/Do-We-Live-Under-Maritime-Law [/quote] What about home births or other situations in which there was no exchange of money? [/quote] Was the birth (actually a nativity) recorded in any public arena/record? Was a midwife there? Was the event recorded in a family record (like a bible) with a witness? It really is not relevant if the man or woman uses Federal Reserve Money (or accepts any benefit from the Government) as each of them are a contractual agreement and subjugation. For example, there are thousands of people in prison in the US who are there without a US Birth Certificate. Most likely, they have a BC from another "country" that is part of the IMF and they are still commercial property because of it. [/quote] Let's say no midwife and no record of the birth made ,no witness. Just parents present. Born in the U.S Are you saying that the mere act of using currency becomes a contractual agreement? A contract would require both parties to be cognizant of all obligations and responsibilities. The mere act of using currency could not be considered a contractual agreement. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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