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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NzE2XzYxMEUxMTM1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NTQzXzZGOTdDNTkx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NDI2XzQ4NjVGQ0FG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0MDQzXzY5NUMwNzdB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAzODExXzY5RTFGQjEy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAzNjY0XzVDNTRCNDUw] [quote:Zuzu:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk2OTAzXzZFQTQ4MEFF] Wow :gasp: "[i][b]Does The Jones Act Put Us Under Maritime Law By Our Birth Certificate? Why Is Your Name Spelled In All Capital Letters[/b][/i]" "[i]Maritime admiralty law considers you a maritime admiralty product, simply because you were birthed out of your mother's water. A ship sits in its birth until the captain gives a certificate of manifest to the port authorities. The reason you are required to have a Birth Certificate is because at the time of your birth there is an exchange of money to cover hospital costs. The dock signs your birth certificate simply because that is what the ship is tied to, you will need a dock to sign your birth certificate."[/i] http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hub/Do-We-Live-Under-Maritime-Law [/quote] What about home births or other situations in which there was no exchange of money? [/quote] Was the birth (actually a nativity) recorded in any public arena/record? Was a midwife there? Was the event recorded in a family record (like a bible) with a witness? It really is not relevant if the man or woman uses Federal Reserve Money (or accepts any benefit from the Government) as each of them are a contractual agreement and subjugation. For example, there are thousands of people in prison in the US who are there without a US Birth Certificate. Most likely, they have a BC from another "country" that is part of the IMF and they are still commercial property because of it. [/quote] Let's say no midwife and no record of the birth made ,no witness. Just parents present. Born in the U.S Are you saying that the mere act of using currency becomes a contractual agreement? A contract would require both parties to be cognizant of all obligations and responsibilities. The mere act of using currency could not be considered a contractual agreement. [/quote] Actions make contract. You are free to argue (in their courts) fraud by omission when it comes to the use of private currency (Federal Reserve Credit) if you would like. The fact is, the Government relies on caveat emptor all the time. They are under no obligation to educate you on the law, there are free libraries to do that. The public notice is right there on the FRN: "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" Their only authorized used is spelled out in 12 USC 411. That is available on line and in public libraries free of charge, nothing obligates you to use them, nor is the government obligated to inform you of every obligation you take on by their use. 12 USC 411 spells out they are "redeemable in lawful money on demand" just because you are ignorant of the that fact and did not act on is not the Governments fault. You (and everyone) is given a TRIAL if they want you in prison or property seized for good, you could bring up the fact the contract details were not fully disclosed, or you could tell them you would have been redeeming lawful money the whole time if you had known. In that case, your argument would have legal standing (fraud by omission on the part of the Government or the Federal Reserve). But, nobody has done that. "Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense" but fraud by omission is. The law is there, it is public record, you are just ignorant of it. [/quote] Ahhhhhh . Now I understand. Thanks for taking the time to explain that. [/quote] You are very welcome! Your understanding of contract law is very valuable and it is clear you understand contracts, endorsements, notice and TRUST. The "IN GOD WE" Trust was formed in 1933 by FDR and congress, title 12 is part of that trust. Before that, the redemption clause on Federal Reserve Notes (and other NOTES) was written on them: Like this one: http://usrarecurrency.com/1922$100GoldCertificateN1846693.htm It is still "legal tender" but is redeemable, on demand in Gold coin. FRNS have the "redeemable in lawful money" clause in title 12, it used to be on the notes, but it was changed to be harder to find, but still be there. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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