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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0ODc1X0E1MDFBMDM0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NzE3XzE2MDkyMUEz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NTg4XzU0RjA1MzE1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0MjAxX0UwQkE3NzND] United States Contract Law Statute of Frauds Ordinarily, contracts do not have to be in writing to be enforceable. However, certain types of contracts do have to be reduced to writing to be enforceable, to prevent frauds and perjuries, hence the name statute of frauds, which also makes it not a misnomer (fraud need not be present to implicate the statute of frauds). Types of Contracts Implicated Typically the following types of contracts implicate the statute of frauds: Land, including leases over a year and easements Suretyships (promises to answer for the debts, defaults, or miscarriages of another) Consideration of marriage (not to actually get married but to give a dowry, for example) Goods over a certain amount of money (usually $500, as in the UCC) Contracts that cannot be performed within one year [/quote] Simply put, Federal Reserve NOTES are private property. They are property of the Federal Reserve member banks, their use is defined in Title 12 of the Federal Code. The owner of the FRN is clearly posted on it, the Seal of the Federal Reserve is there, the boarders are well defined. They are not YOURS, you are using them, that implies contract. Your signature (endorsement) on any NOTE or bank transaction assumes the use of the Federal Reserve. That is consensual and voluntary endorsement of a private company (The Federal Reserve). It is a contract and nothing is compelling you to do it. 12 USC 411 clearly spells out you have the right to demand lawful money in ALL your transactions. That is legal, lawful and contractual, you endorse and use their property, you owe them a fee AND agree to pay by their rules. [/quote] Understood. Thanks for the patience and the very articulate explanation. No easy way around it then. Unless you go off and live in the wilderness... [/quote] No true my proxy posting friend! Read this thread, you will get it. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1 Learn to control your contractual endorsements and demand lawful money per 12 USC 411, it really is pretty simple and sound legally. "Without prejudice" Peace. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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