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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0OTk5XzMzRjZBQkE2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0ODE3XzFENTU2NjlF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7043507:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA0NDg2X0IyOEExNDI1] Minors cannot enter into contracts. While their parents may do so on their behalf , since this would be a contract with a term of more than one year it would have to be made in writing and signed by all parties to be enforceable. When the minor child reaches adulthood it would have to again in writing , enter into the contract willingly in order to be enforceable. [/quote] You are correct again, in the US, that contract is "selective service" it is the first federal form most "new adults" sign because they are told too. Drivers licenses are another, as are voters registrations, bank accounts, mail delivery, ZIP codes and on and on. ALL of which are contracts and most of which have a FEE attached. When you pay for them without a demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411 you are just making it worse!! [/quote] Wow. It is indeed a rabbit hole. Not as simple as it seemed to me at first glance. Thanks for all the great info. I would presume that even if one went to great lengths to extricate themselves it would not bode well for them, and would probably be difficult to do on a long term basis. Unless like I said they headed out into the wilderness, not an option for most of us. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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