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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA2Mjg0X0YyMDBDMTMw] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTA2MDc0Xzc2MUMwOTkx] [i]Tell us again how it is not law?[/i] Tell us again how Federal Reserve Notes create an 'implied contract' that grants the government jurisdiction over you? Because your source doesn't say that. [b]You do. You're not citing the law, you're citing yourself. [/b]And you don't know what you're talking about. You simply 'typing' some gibberish about implied contracts doesn't actually change the law....surely you recognize this. If you don't, the courts will rather rudely disabuse you of your misconception when you start babbling about how they have no jurisdiction because you don't use Federal Reserve Notes. Federal Reserve Notes aren't the basis of jurisdiction nor does any court recognize them as such. Jurisdiction is established geographically. If you're in Maryland, the law of Maryland apply to you. It doesn't matter if you have pesos, yen or dollars in your pocket, if you run a red light they're pulling you over. And you can call yourself Frank, Optimus Prime or a 'Sovereign Citizen'. You still get the ticket. Get used to the idea. [/quote] United State Code Title 12 is the regulation. The contract is between Congress (the US) and the Federal Reserve Bank. I cited that source earlier, again, your opinion and ignorance, not mine. Are you seriously implying in your posts there is no contract between the US and the Federal Reserve? Is your point that US citizens cannot participate in that contract via endorsement? Cite YOUR proof. It is clear there is a contract or Ben would not be in front of Congressional hearings every few months. The FEDERAL reserve is a private BANK, it cannot do business with anyone without a contract. I could not care less if you accept the facts or not, they are the facts. The rest of your post is nothing but personal attacks trying to get me to react. No need, your opinion means as much to me as the piss I just left in the toilet. Provide your proof there is no contract with the Fed and 12 USC 411 is not the current law. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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