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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
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They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???:tounge: " Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries. Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10." [/quote] Better lobby [/quote] No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . . :huffy: [/quote] It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... [/quote] No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . :verysad: [/quote] Cry me a river... [/quote] I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . . . :goaway: [/quote] Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?! I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?! [/quote] So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???:rex: [/quote] Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary. The numbers don't add up Jorge..... There are many other things to worry about first. [/quote] [b]No there isn't[/b] . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . [b]NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!![/b]:grumpy2: [/quote] Not nothing http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/apl/research/science_integrated_modeling/accri/media/ACCRI_Report_final.pdf http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/apl/research/science_integrated_modeling/accri/media/Impact%20of%20Aviation%20on%20Climate.pdf http://web.mit.edu/aeroastro/people/waitz/publications/contrails.pdf [/quote] NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . :coffee4: [/quote] So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse. [/quote] How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????: [/quote] I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation. [/quote] Sorry to tell you but we have already embarked. Geoengineering/cloud seeding is done in many states currently. It is the law in some states. Wake up. Yes snipped from research but a no brainer...really. 2.2. Delivery mechanism Since commercial airliners routinely fly in the region where cold cirrus clouds exist, it is hoped that the seeding material could either be (1) dissolved or suspended in their jet fuel and later burned with the fuel to create seeding aerosol, or (2) injected into the hot engine exhaust, which should vaporize the seeding material, allowing it to condense as aerosol in the jet contrail. The objective would not be to seed specific cloud systems but rather to build up a background concentration of aerosol seeding material so that the air masses that cirrus will form in will contain the appropriate amount of seeding material to produce larger ice crystals. Since the residence time of seeding material might be on the order of 1–2 weeks, release rates of seeding material would need to account for this. With the delivery process already existing, this geoengineering approach may be less expensive than other proposed approaches. http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/045102/fulltext/#erl314272s2.1 [/quote] Cloud seeding is not geoengineering. Cloud seeding is a local event that affects weather. Geoengineering is a global event that affects climate. [/quote] ummm yes it is. Do some homework...this is stupid to even argue about. [/quote]
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
1) TV news stories about them . . .
2) I have dreams about them . .
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . .
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . .
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream)
11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes
12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . .
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