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what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyODMxXzlEMTk4MzFG] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyNzg2X0VCRDU4ODRB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyNjkyX0Y0NjExNzI1] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyNTc5X0ZGNzY1RDdB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyNDU1X0M1MzQxOUU0] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyMjg5XzdEQTE1NzMw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyMDQzXzMyNDUyNTRD] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkyMDA0X0M4NEQ3NUVC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxODQyXzU5RTRFQjhD] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxNzcyXzc5OTVGRjcy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxNTM3XzZFMTcxQTk3] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxMzQyXzU1QjEwNDZE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxMjU5X0RBQkE4Njkz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxMTI1XzlFMEJFMjI2] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkxMDQ1X0M5OTMyRjk3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwOTYyX0QyQUM4NDVD] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwOTA1XzFBOTJCNjc5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwODc1XzU0MTE0QTg5] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwODExXzUyNjI5MTY=] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwNzE3X0U3MTlDQjFF] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwNjI2X0JBRjFDMjdD] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwNTY4XzNCNjM5NDI2] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwNDk3XzJEODZGRjRG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34812179:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwMzcxXzVGMjk2MTcx] [quote:acegotflows:MV8yMTQ3Nzg1XzM2MjkwMzEyXzkwN0E5NzRE] so what was your Jesus experience? [/quote] Let me state, I had personal experiences that can't be rationally be explained. I also three experiences, where I also came across veridical info. This is why, I'm very open to the experiences of others. [/quote] so you can't even explain yours, but you are depending on the experiences of others to validate something you can't explain yourself? [/quote] Let me elaborate. The explanation can't be explained from a rational point of view, by secularists. This does not mean, I can't explain it personally myself. Also, if you base your own personal experiences, and make sweeping generalizations, you may prematurely form a conclusion, since you don't consider all experiences. [/quote] right you can't think in absolutes and name stuff because you COULD BE WRONG. Which is why I found it a little interesting that you co-sign Jesus so hard but don't acknowledge certain things and explain away others.[/quote] Once again, your[b] assumption is false.[/b] I acknowledged, and deeply explored 'intent', and the many teachings around this. I acknowledged, and addressed reincarnation memory, with 2 possible explanations. You on the other hand, have not, acknowledged, and have not touched on what I presented. If a person thinks in absolutes, they may prematurely make a conclusion, like yourself. Explore evidences, and then form a conclusion, but even then be open to being wrong, and still learning. [/quote] you never stop learning. I've met enough interesting things in my life and have been saved from death more than once. I didn't think Jesus or pray to Jesus for that to happen. So when I meet people who say that they know jesus or can prove it I tell them to ask Jesus about me and come back and tell me what he said. So far nobody has taken me up on it. I don't assume that I know anything. That would require too much ego and programmed mind can't deal with that. I stopped trying to make sense of it. That's why I know a deception when I hear it. You're still learning as we all are, so don't take anything I say as a better than view. I'm just a person. So because of that I treat people as people. makes it very easy to see when somebody is taking a position of assumed authority. I don't assume to be an authority on anything, but I know a deceiver when I hear one . you should pray for more guidance. You're going down a not so nice path... [/quote] You're very hypocritical. I'm presenting points, [b]you can't counter, now your showing humility.[/b] Prior to this, you were showing arrogance and pride. [/quote] no, you are an arrogant mimic who does not know when you are exposed. You should read more about my posts on this topic rather that go off 1 interaction. You would notice just how outgunned you are... [/quote] You have not exposed me. [b]With all these cases, I can back up with evidence.[/b] I am open to hearing your account. [b]But I see this error many times with people.[/b] They have personal experiences, and then [b]carelessly[/b] make sweeping generalizations. [/quote] my sweeping generalization is this. I'm just a person. I'm not an authority on anything . Therefore you can go read my posts and such and then you can tell me what you think. I know religion, I detoxed it. I understand spirituality as it is a lifestyle. I know toxins and how to detox them. Toxins will make you an idiot if you let them. Been there, done that. Just a little concerned that you try to hard to make yourself an authority on stuff that is a belief (by definition cannot be proven). Does not make it false, but you have to wonder, why are you really trying so hard? if you can honestly answer that question to yourself using logic and reason and real root words and definitions, then you are on a good path. Otherwise you are leaning on your own understanding. Book of Proverbs can tell you how that one turns out [/quote] It's good to see you aren't so arrogant, as your previous posts. I do respect that. There was a lot of logic and reasoning in post, hence for example, why I specifically looked for veridical information. By doing this, we can [b]logically[/b] rule out, that the person was not creating the experience from his subconscious, based on former beliefs. About to look over your account. [/quote] I see multiple threads you created, which one is it? There doesn't appear to be indication, where you specifically mention your personal experience with Jesus, in the title. [/quote] you're right. I never named Jesus because I couldn't. I didn't think about that before I sent you hunting. My bad on that one. here's a link just from today where I touched on it http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2147548/pg1 [/quote] [i]The experience I see is this: 1- my amrosia experience in 2007 where I was consumed by the violet flame. It felt like warm electric silk and all loving and knowing. I also saw a bright gyroscope craft and beings that had animal masks with wings 2- my experience with seeing and being taken to a crystal pyramid with the beings that had the lines for faces 3- my life being saved on different occasions by nothing that could be logically explained[/i] Let me state this, I can relate somewhat, I had also personally tried a psychedelic, and learned about the experiences of others. I too looked into native american, and shamanic beliefs. For example I read every book by Carlos Castaneda, and many other shamanic books. I understand your experience. You were born into a Christian belief, but never really had a chance to explore other beliefs. To make up you own mind. For example, there's not only various new age, and shamanic beliefs, but there's also Buddhism, Hinduism, Advaita Vedanta, etc. From what you stated, where I quoted you, the experiences aren't very detailed, so I can't really comment on it. Do you have more info? All I can state, is be willing to look for all evidences, for all beliefs, both mainstreams, and the various belief systems. This will take many years, and will be ongoing process. If you don't you may prematurely form a conclusion, and no longer be open minded to other evidences, which shows that you're wrong. [/quote] I've gone into details in other threads, but I felt that those 3 bullets were kind of an indicator that I'm aware just as you are. I'm just taking it a day at a time as I'm just getting slammed with all these realizations since January. I didn't even have reference for most of this stuff until then as my mind was still in the fog of bad diet, blame and guilt for things that were not my fault to begin with. We lose our innocence at a young age and often struggle to get back to the child like curiosity of exploring our experiences. Nobody can tell you what and who you are besides you. Most of the time those things are trying to impress on you. It's not easy to wade thru that. [/quote] Thank you for sharing your experiences, but, let me be direct, from what I gather so far, you still need to continue searching. [/quote] as do you. That's not advice, it's reality [/quote] Well I presented cases, that you can't explain. Also if you're aware as me, tell me this. There's 2 groups of people, that have NDEs. Group one has an NDE, but aren't clinically death. The other group are clinically death, also experience an NDE. How will their NDE experience be different? If you're [i]aware as me[/i], you would know this. [/quote] Jesus is an embodiment of principles that the mind and body chemistry form when in a certain energy frequency. Does not make it real or fake (those are all assumptions of the mind).[/quote] Again, as stated, I said a trap people fall into, is having a personal experience and then make sweeping generalizations. You're essentially doing this. Why? An overwhelming majority of cases, are seeing the exact same key features of Jesus. Which shows, it's not merely an assumption of the mind. Also thanks for sharing your experience. There was actually another case, in which a lady too describes a very similar experience regarding the large hand, coming to move her car, and preventing her from dying. [/quote] let me explain something to you about a programmed mind. You skipped DOES NOT MAKE IT REAL OR FAKE part along with assumptions of the mind. How can a simple mind understand ALL ENCOMPASSING? No way that it can. I make no bones about it. When something just is- you can't explain for or against.... NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT. you still look for validation. If you still need it, you're lost... not that you are not on the path... but you will never see what you chose to walk around. God is everything. period. You ignore the messages because you assume that there is still good vs bad. I cant tell just by your whole angle of trying to be validated in your assumptions. You read way too much into it. that's why a mimic can't tell it's exposed. You need to put your mimic in check. You cannot make logical progressions. Something is preventing you from doing so. Whatever it is probably is a stronghold over you that gives you purpose in life because it wants to be given credence. I don't know you. I don't do people. I do energy. Based on the words you do and the lack of being able to follow logical progression you need to go back to the drawing board. It's not a bad thing, you just need to refine your technique. You are not ask skilled as you think... you're essentially barking up the wrong tree on this one. But I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding why I said what I have ...I have no shadows and no reason to hide or duck you.... [/quote] You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic. You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility. In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim. You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others. [/quote] see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true. so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to.... consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that.... [/quote] There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing. Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief. Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others. [/quote]
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I was walking down the street, smoking a cigarette. On the other side there was a man, late40s maybe early..
I noticed he was smoking too, so i called out, "cheers! Were both smoking cigarettes, youre on one side of the street, and im on the other!".
He crossed the street, walking towards me. When he reached me he asked me if i knew where to get some heroine...
I was kind of surprised, even for me that was pretty rare... I told him no, but good luck.. He asked me if he could find some downtown. I told him if he knows where to look, you can find anything.
He said he wantrd to kill himself, shoot up and die. He said he has no family, and nothing left.
He asked me for a cigarette, i told him, id give him 2, he doesnt kill himself...
I wish i couldve said more, but i couldnt think of anything...
What would you have said?
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