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Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
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[quote:glauco:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTMxMzA5XzlBOTA5MUUy] [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] Btw - you messed up the quotes in your post. [/quote] What? Hm, sorry. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] If you hadn't an american flag one could think you are the Corean moontard (forgot his screen name). [/quote] Wanna know the truth? We Brazilians really laugh at that Korean monster and his family, but actually we are not fan of the American way. We do not understand either why they call themselves as Americans because anybody who born in South, Center or North America is American too. But if they like to be known as that, no problem at all... [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] I agree with HD regarding his professorschip. Nevertheless you are right in pointing out, that he did not use the title "Professor" in any of his publications or on web pages. On the other hand he never rejected to be named so - at the best this is dishonest (in Germany it would be a criminal offence). Also there remains the question, who brought it up? [/quote] Nice question, I really don't know. I have long hair and some people likes to call me "hair". I don't like it, but no problem if they want. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] As far as I could research he published onle two papers at Cornell, the two you mentioned (at least a search didn't bring up more results). Thereafter Cornell (in the early 80s) refused to publish any more papers of McCanny because of his woo-woo theories (translation: bullshit theories) and fired him. [/quote] Yes, correct. The problem was not with the theoretical work itself, because if you read them you will find out that it is theoretically correct. Understand it: the theoretical work (the model) may be well done, but the observations may not match with the model. So the model could be wrong, but theoretically correct. The problem with the University, as stated by him, is that his model was completely against the official model prepared by own Carl Sagan, the chief of the Astro Institute, his chief. You must consider it as a hard situation for the staff to keep McCanney theories being used and published just where something familiar had been debunked a few years before. No conspiracy needed, only politics. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] I'm not familiar with his theories, e.g. his Plasma Discharge Comet Model, (not yet) but what I read so far is utter bullshit. [/quote] He is doing a special offer with his books in e-format, you could try, [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] What brings us to C/2012 S1 (ISON). [i]"i am currently analyzing the orbit of this comet. It appears to have a significant planet sized nucleus ..." Jim McCanney, September 24, 2012[/i] Thus, according to McCanny, the nucleus of C/2012 S1 is at least 2,440 km, the size of the smalles planet in our solar syste - Mercury. There is a well established empirical formula, established since centuries, to estimate the size of a comet nucleus according to his distance and brightness - verified by several close flybys and visits of space probes to comets. This formula gives the nucleus of C/2012 S1 as 20 km (source: Remanzacco Observatory). So what do you think is more likely? A calculation, that works since centuries or the statement of McC? Keep in mind, that - when the comet approaches - it is possible to distinguish the nucleus from the coma by measurement in different wavelength. [/quote] Unfortunately this formula works very good only for small comets, not big ones. We only visited small comets so far. This formula consider the light from a comet as being reflected by the Sun, but in McCanney's model the comet is lightning by itself, because it is electric, like a light neon bulb. Like a black body. Big comets have so many light being emanated that this formula would not work. So this formula don't works in this case. As only professional equipment are able to see this comet and he don't have it, consider that he is using his own theoretical work to estimate it. Actually he made some predictions regarding this comet with dates and occurrences, and he matches. All related to weather. He would not hit it right on the nose as he did if the comet is not a large one. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] But lets go on. [i]"there are some really interesting alignments including a new collision with the planet Mars" Jim McCanney, September 28, 2012[/i] Sorry, McC, at that time the orbital elements were already out - indicating, that the distance to Mars would be around 10 million kilometers. [/quote] Continue reading the same post you paste here and you will see that he is talking about electric alignments and what he call "Action at a Distance", where a comet don't have to get close to the object to affect it due to the electrical alignments. Not direct collision. As I said you must stop doing broken excerpts of texts that are already small. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] [i]"this could certainly cause some significant weather effects on mars which could include electrical discharges between the comet and mars" Jim McCanney, September 28, 2012[/i] What did he expect? A 10 million kilometer electric arc? [/quote] Yes, exactly. He is not sure if it will be eye-naked visible during the encounter next September/October, but that would be good to see. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] [i]"there are a number of scenarios depending on the mass of this comet which could rival little mars and could cause changes in both comet and mars orbit" Jim McCanney, September 30, 2012[/i] There is no way a comet can come even close to the mass of mars. There is no way a comet can change the orbit of a planet. That's pure fearmongering to sell his crap. [/quote] It is pretty possible *if* the comet is large, and his theoretical work predicts those objects. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] [i]"i originally stated on my show that this would not be visible in the morning sky but i revisited my information and in fact we will have a superb night time early morning view of the comet approaching mars" Jim McCanney, October 13, 2012[/i] The closest approach to Mars occures at 2013 Oct. 1. Brighness of Mars at that day: 1.8 mag Estimated brighness of C/2012 S1 at that day: 10.4 mag That means, Mars is about 2000 times brighter than the comet. And that we can see, according to McC, with the naked eye? What is he expecting? A firework pointing from the comet to Mars? I tell you as an amateur astronomer: Even in a decent sized telescope it will be difficult to spot the comet at mag 10.4 - especially not if Mars is also in the field of view and outshines all around it. [/quote] I *never* see a telescope nor a pair of good binoculars. If you are stating that this comet will not be visible to the naked eyes during this period at night, no problem, I consider you. But remember he consider it as a large comet, so should start being visible sooner. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] And this man taught orbital mechanics at Cornell. What did he teach his students? That Mercury and Venus need longer to orbit the sun as Earth? [/quote] Yeah, he teaches this for two years. But was fired by his ideas. Strange, don't you think? [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4Mzc2XzUwNjdDOEU=] [b] Will you back away from McCanneys crap when you can not see sparks between Mars and C/2012 S1 around the 1st of October. Will you back away from McCanneys crap when you even can't see the comet itself with the naked eye?[/b] . [/quote] I don't know, I pretend to buy astronomical binoculars to see it even if it is just a pretty dirty ice snowball as NASA said. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzA4X0FBRjY2Rjky] If you had read the wikipedia article you would know. [/quote] I did, I read this article long ago. [quote:Halcyon Dayz,FCD:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTE4NTU2Xzc0MUQxODZF] We are talking about James "the comets gain mass, are as massive as planets, there's a doomsday planet coming that's going to kill us any day now" McCanney, aren't we. [/quote] Actually he never said that, he said that "[color=brown][b]a few comets gain mass, a few comets are massive[/b][/color] and probably one of them someday will have our name on it.". [/quote] [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzA4X0FBRjY2Rjky] So please quote where he said this and reference it. [/quote] He says that almost every radio show and in all of his books and papers. All the time. Phil Plait lied that McCanney stated that every comet is big and gain mass. Phil Plait should be the guy to quote where McCanney said that, not me. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzA4X0FBRjY2Rjky] [quote:glauco:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI3MDEwX0UwMUFEMDMy] [quote:Halcyon Dayz,FCD:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTE4NTU2Xzc0MUQxODZF] None of that stuff science. [/quote] Tell me about science and how it works. [/quote] http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/wp-content/blogs.dir/470/files/2012/04/i-f7fe2aa9eb35c0f3ee56f0e35eecfb69-sci_method.jpeg [/quote] You must be kidding, correct? I'm expecting you to talk about Karl Popper or something more philosophical than that... [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzA4X0FBRjY2Rjky] [quote:glauco:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI3MDEwX0UwMUFEMDMy] [quote:Halcyon Dayz,FCD:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2ODk1Njk5XzQzMTdCNDEz] But none of these papers are relevant to his woo claims. Are there any about comets gaining mass? Are there any about comets being as massive as planets? Are there any about the [i]Mystery Planet of Doom™[/i]? [/quote] Yes, some of them gain mass. Yes, some of them are massive as planets. Yes, one day one could come here in our vicinities. Who knows? If small ones may come, why not big ones? [/quote] Please provide evidence for your claims. [/quote] Yes, sure, lemme take my spaceship that I let in the garage for repairs then I take some pictures for you, ok? [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzA4X0FBRjY2Rjky] [quote:glauco:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI3MDEwX0UwMUFEMDMy] [quote:Halcyon Dayz,FCD:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2ODk1Njk5XzQzMTdCNDEz] But none of these papers are relevant to his woo claims. Are there any about comets gaining mass? Are there any about comets being as massive as planets? Are there any about the [i]Mystery Planet of Doom™[/i]? [/quote] [color=brown][b]Yes, one day one could come here in our vicinities. Who knows? If small ones may come, why not big ones?[/b][/color] [/quote] Can you provide the question to your answer? [/quote] It is rhetoric. [quote:Hydra:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4NzkyXzlCRTEzREM1] [quote:glauco:MV8yMTU0NjY4XzM2OTI4MTQ1X0I0QTZBQTk5] I guess I cut off all Hydra's head. The other anamorphic dude will be hardest, I guess, but I will try throwing salt on him. [/quote] Exercise patience. I'm not on "duty" 24/7 - apart from GLP I have a privat life and a work life. [/quote] Well, at least I keep you alert. [/quote]
Here's the obscure amateur image I've managed to find of Comet C/2012 S1 ISON taken in January 2013 for all the ADD/Demonic/Chaotic types so they don't have to read anything more than a few words and can quickly right it off with BS flags and make inane comments about Uranus.
link to i791.photobucket.com
I feel like the stripper who puts her jinger back on and walks down in to the audience to have a drink with the boys. Here's the back ground.
After the CometC/2010 X1 Elenin fizzle out last year, I lost interest in the whole PX/Nibiru/Red Dragon meme, which in hindsight we were all supposed via the to do as a result of the disinformation sown about the subject over the years, since the NASA psy-op Zetatalkby Nancy Leider brought it to prominence in the early years of 2000.
Zetatalks credibility was blown out of the water with the claim it would be seen on the 15 May 2003. When it didn't show up the Zetas confessed that date was a white lie just to get the subject in front of the public early. Just days ago Nancy then pops up claiming Zetatalk is the only authority to consider when looking for Planet X Earth Change information. Are we being set up for another round of disinformation.
A few days into the new year I became aware of a subtle energy change I found myself saying to the casual acquaintance who would quiz me about the latest doom news, "Not long to go now before the big Earth changes!" that was after the end of the Mayan Calendar came and went (another psy-op) I had no additional information yet something in me was confident the big changes were just around the proverbial corner.
I religiously check Space Weather's near Earth Object reports and noticed an influx of new asteroids all discovered in the new year. I threaded it on LOP and got a bit of interest.
Then the Pope resigned followed quickly by the Russian Meteorite and I was off the spidey senses were tingling.
I combed the news releases about the ISS and comets noticed the articles about the three for this year,
Comet Pan-STARRS (C/2011 L4)
Comet Lemmon (C/2012 F6)
Comet ISON (C/2012 S1)
Saw the official images which were just highly magnified images of feeble looking light smudges against the sea of streaked stars. Comet Lemmon was the brightest and best formed its luminescent blue/green colour I decided makes it a great candidate for the blue Kachina of the Hopi prophecy.
I checked the orbit diagrams noted none were coming from under the elliptic as we have been programmed to believe about PX. Why else were they racing to build infrared telescopes in Antarctica I reasoned. Comet C/2012 S1 ISON was coming from the opposite direction above the elliptic. So I moved on to other areas of Earth monitoring.
I picked up on a rumour started by a major Electric Universe Scientist that he was hearing chatter about an incoming mini solar system type object spotted just outside Jupiter's orbit. I remembered reading one of the comets had been discovered just outside the orbit of Jupiter.
I Combed the alternate space weather sites again but could find nothing. Then articles appeared about C/2012 S1 ISON could be a candidate for a major spectacle as its orbit was following that of the Great Comet of1680. No sooner had that article appeared then another one came out disputing that saying Comet displays are highly unpredictable and listing all the comets that were hyped up but fizzled out.
This piece of cognitive dissonance annoyed me. I had read C/2012 S1 ISON's core was a big as a mountain at least twice as big as Comet Lovejoy and hadn't started out gassing yet. It's orbit would start above the elliptic lit up by the Sun and it would swing close by Mars in plain view from the Earth before dipping below the elliptic at around 1 AU from the Sun (Great View from Antarctica) rip around the Sun's South Pole inside the orbit of Mercury before screaming out of the solar system from the Sun up and out above Earths North Pole in high arc. If that wasn't going to look pretty neat I don't know what was.
It then occurred to me they don't want us looking at it. Comb the internet again, despite all the high profile, main stream telescopes out there as usual we have to rely on the amateurs for any images. Like our tax money pays for these big toys and we have to wait years to get images that have been purged of any anomalies likely to dispute the Newtonian Physics world view.
Trying to find the mass of any comet is a difficult thing, for years now that information is classified like they don't want us know how big are these things that are increasingly blasting though our solar system.
They don't need to know the mass to calculate an orbit. Remember the old school physics video when they drop a wooden ball and a iron ball of a tower and see which on hits first. They both hit at the same time its Newtons Law the force of gravity is a constant.
They use observations to plot the objects movement and extrapolate the orbit based on Keplers laws which predict freely falling Solar bodies move in a conic orbit with the Sun at one of the foci that sweeps equal areas in equal time periods according to a known constant.
None of the Ephemerides of the Near Earth Objects have a value for mass. They calculate mass using other methods active and passive to measure density, so arriving at an estimated value.
Pulling up obscure academic PDF articles which is about as exciting as reading a reserve bank annual report. The authors report little evidence of cometary activity. ( No Out Gassing) blah jargon blah, meaningless graphs, obligatory comment dirty snowball blah blah..Then I came across this image buried in the document.
link to i791.photobucket.com
First impression its spherical, icy objects need to be over 400 km in diameter to reach hydrostatic equilibrium with gravity and take on a spherical shape. That's a big mountain!
Then I notice the angular diameter scale in arc seconds. C/2012 S1 is 15 arc seconds wide! That's 50,000 kilometres at 5.22 AU distance from the Sun. Jupiter at the same distance is 30 arc seconds the same width as the scale line. Its half the size of Jupiter! The Earth's average diameter is 12,742 kilometres so its four times as big as the Earth!
I rush off looking up astronomy tables to compare the sizes. Then come back for a third look at the image and do my second double take of the evening I can make out the companion moons right beside it!
Here's some later images with internal processed images and one I jacked up the red hue saturation to reveal the cold detail.
link to i791.photobucket.com
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