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Subject Backslidden christian, has NDE, sees hell

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This incessant fixation on trying to push [u]PERSONAL[/u] NDE experiences on others as if it's indicative of some universal reality that applies to everyone is not healthy for your consciousness nor the consciousness of those you're trying to influence and convince of your beliefs.... Seek help, seriously...
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You see, the shady past, and the frauds of the neurosurgeon's NDE, that you've been supporting

His background includes two malpractice suits in 2007 after performing surgery on the wrong sites, and in both cases he attempted to conceal what happened -- in one case retroactively altering the original diagnosis to make it appear he hadn't erred. He faced medical board sanctions and reprimands in 2009 and 2010 in three states (MA, VA and NC), and was ordered to attend classes in professionalism and medical ethics. He never mentions any of this in the book -- published in 2012, so it wasn't ancient history while he was writing it.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-eben-alexander-2vqf2/background-check

Your evidence, to support your beliefs is dwindling.
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I really felt his account was some kind of bs.

He never actually died anyway!

Look, there are going to be fakes, there are going to be those who die or sort of die and "think" they see something and experience some kind of DMT release and imprint every wackadoo religious belief they grew up with on their "experience".

So... separating the wheat from the chaff.

I'd just like to know why those "wheat" experience seem to offer so little insight as well. Some do, but not many.
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There's an important NDE, by a non-christian, Nanci Danison, she's a trial lawyer.

From her experience, she stated, whatever she though of, it came to be.

To me, this suggests, that her experience was highly based on her subconscious.

Therefore, what I did to rule this out, is look for a certain type of NDE case.

I came across, 4, in which, the person, came across the deceased in a heavenly location.  They learned of information from the that was impossible to know about, but then proven to be true.  This shows, the experience was not based on the subconscious.  Now, I then examined, what else these 4 people saw and experienced.  All four confirmed, the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.  Two of the 4, even stated seeing the 4 living creatures, around God's throne, which is described in no other religion, except Christianity, in the book of Ezekial.

In addition, there's another entire category of experiences, which is people having supernatural encounters with Jesus, when their fully awake.  So far I found, this to only occur with Jesus, and no other prophets.

Also, so we know this isn't a hallucination, this at times, included two additional elements.

1) The person learned of things, that was unknown, but then it was proven to be true.

2) The person experienced a miraculous physical healing.

There's one more element, that shows this was not based on the person's belief.  For example, Jesus supernaturally appeared to a Muslim, and he saw the crucifixion wounds of Jesus.  This is significant, since Muslims' don't believe Jesus ever died for our sins.  After the experience, he left Islam, and became a Christian.

Plus, there's another category of experience, which is demonology.  My study of this, further verifies Christianity.

By the way, it was me, that came across the dream, and was told how to prevent cancer.  This wasn't known to me, but I later researched and verified this to be true.
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Well, spill the beans! What's the cure?

As for the rest of it, yes, there are some COMPELLING cases, I agree.

Then again, there are NDEs from India that show are whole host of other circumstances mostly confirming Hinduism.

I'd also venture NDEs have been most popularized and researched in the West, and in the US.

Look, the whole thing is frustrating and I still can't figure it out, and of course, I *want* to believe.

There are also reincarnation cases that are mind-boggling, do you buy those? Seems they would conflict with Christianity.
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I was the OP here:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1919466/pg1

Someone had also later mentioned, that lemons have been known to fight 12 different types of cancer.

Regarding the Hindu NDE, I looked over some, but I haven't yet came across any where they meet the deceased, and learn of information from them, and then later verify the information to be true.  This would really be the only way to rule out the subconscious.

Here's an important factor, found by an NDE researcher.  He stated, unless the person is technically clinical dead, the experience will be more varied.  So to me, this suggests, the NDE is based more on the person's beliefs.  So this is an important factor to consider, before you you study an NDE.

Regarding reincarnation, I want to present 2 different perspectives.  From these 2 views, you'll see that regardless if reincarnation is true, or false, it still doesn't rule out heaven, and hell.

There's 4 Christians, 3 of these people had NDEs.  Anyways, all 4, stated, there's special circumstances, where a person in heaven, can return to another body.  One stated, this applies to someone who has an important destiny.

Now another man, was shown the demonic realm in depth in his NDE.  He believes, the reincarnation memory, are fed by demonic entities.  A guy here at GLP, stated, he had dreams of his past lives.  During the dream, he realized it was demonic deception, and saw the people in his dreams, become demons.  He said after this experience, the past life dreams ended.

So again, if the experience is true or false, it still doesn't necessarily rule out Christianity, if take these factors into account.
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Hmm, well, wow.

I actually used the info from that thread and I began putting lemons in our water (which we buy spring water jugs). I haven't done it in a while, but research shows lemonene can prevent/stop caner.

It's certainly possible "demons" could implant ANY manner of deception into the mind, if one accepts that premise. Not sure if I do. Heck, a demon could implant the idea those reincarnation stories were demon-planted stories!

It's hard for me to accept each soul has ONE chance on this planet -- ONE chance -- and they are born into every varied circumstance imaginable, some presented with easy choices, some not, some presented with hardly a choice at all, and some dead at 15 from a car accident.

The Christian premise -- you come to Earth, get one chance, BOOM, choose Christ or you're (at best) "separated" from God -- that's quite a pill to swallow. And to me, frankly, it's asinine, but it is deeply embedded in my subconscious and upbringing.
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Cool, and if you aren't already doing this, you may also want to consider using a straw, toward the back of the tongue.  This will help prevent the acid, from damaging your enamel.

Regarding hell, I realize how you feel.  It's not an easy concept to accept.  But everything, I'm coming across, is supporting it.
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