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Any hard evidence for chemtrails yet?
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[quote:The Guy:MV8yMjI0MzI3XzM3NzU5NTYxX0JERDRFQUM5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 3161245:MV8yMjI0MzI3XzM3NzAzOTcxX0E4ODRERjg=] [quote:The Guy:MV8yMjI0MzI3XzM3NzAzMjUyX0FERTI5MTIx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 3161245:MV8yMjI0MzI3XzM3NzAzMDQwXzU5NzMxNTIy] [quote:The Guy:MV8yMjI0MzI3X0YyNDMxRDJG] Hey all, haven't been on much lately. I was just wondering if anybody has taken a direct sample from a "chemtrail" yet and seen what it's really made of, or if the whole thing is still a bunch of speculative BS that ignores Occam's Razor. Thanks! [/quote] Occam's razor is not some scientific law that ideas have to conform to in order to be plausible. It's nothing more than a philosophical tie-breaker. In fact, Occam's razor (or, the parsimony argument) is only useful if competing theories are equally plausible. Personally, I believe that there is more reason to believe that chemtrails are just that - chemtrails. I have yet to see a strong argument supporting any of the following: 1) chemtrails are the same as contrails 2) chemtrails don't exist 3) chemtrails are harmless I have personally seen for myself planes releasing chemtrails. About a week ago, I watched four planes over Houston releasing chemtrails. At first there was nothing behind these planes, and then the trails began suddenly (as if a switch was flipped), and then the trails stopped abruptly after several minutes. The planes were flying eastwards. I watched these trails slowly expand for probably two hours. They never dissipated. While I was watching the skies and the expanding chemtrails, I saw those same planes returning from the direction they had flown in - no chemtrails. They were all heading back to the west somewhere. The next day, I had a sore throat and a cough. More interesting, Houston had severe thunderstorms and hailstorms which caused flooding in the area. Of course, as somebody already mentioned, your mind is already made up, just like mine is. My job isn't to convince you of something you don't want to believe. My job is to protect me and my loved ones - and that is guided by what I know to be the truth at this point. Secondary to that is my effort to combat disinformation. One of these pieces of disinformation that "debunkers" like to spread is the belief that Occam's razor is some hard and fast rule that theories must pass before they can be accepted. The implication is that if a competing theory is simpler, then more complex theories which require more assumptions cannot be true. This is one of the disinformation movement's secret weapons. ~WX [/quote] The basic assumption of chemtrail belief is that jet engine exhaust (water vapor and particulates) can't form clouds (water vapor condensed around particulates). This is, of course, false. Armed with that knowledge, think about what you saw. How could a contrail dissipate quickly in one patch of air, but form long-lasting clouds in another? It's simple, really. [/quote] I didn't see contrails dissipate quickly in one patch of air. They didn't exist at all in one section, and as I was watching, the trail began. It was as clearly delineated as if somebody were drawing a line on a piece of paper with a pen. And just as abruptly as picking the pen up off of the paper, the line stopped. It didn't dissipate or slowly begin. It had a clear beginning and end. Did the plane just turn its engine on and off to create this trail? Turn off its exhaust? Anyway, I know you are not really here to be convinced. Your job is to spread disinformation (although I don't know whether you do that job willingly or not). You can't affect me or those who know the truth - you can only cloud the minds of those still searching for the answers. To those who are looking for answers - I can only say keep looking. Something leads you to start looking for the truth, and you will know when you are on the right track. There are many who will try to fall in beside you in your search and who will claim to be fellow truth seekers. Some are real, some are not. I can't tell you how to spot the deceivers. If you persist, you will begin to see them easily, though. One thing I can say you should always be suspicious of - any thread or discussion or argument that seeks to "end the debate here and now" (not always stated openly). ~WX [/quote] Think about the effect of a thermal. You know, a rising mass of air, warmer and carrying more moisture than air at ~30,000ft., rising, expanding, and cooling. As temperature drops, so does its capacity for holding moisture. Another way of saying this is that its relative humidity rises. So, if you introduce more water vapor into such an air mass, is a cloud more or less likely to form? How about outside that air mass? Or, consider this: Most clouds do have clearly delineated edges. [/quote]
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Hey all, haven't been on much lately. I was just wondering if anybody has taken a direct sample from a "chemtrail" yet and seen what it's really made of, or if the whole thing is still a bunch of speculative BS that ignores Occam's Razor. Thanks!
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