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Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjY1ODQ4Xzg0Q0JCRjIx] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjYyNjExXzE3MjlFNjcz] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjYyMjg0X0IxODgwMTY5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjYyMTk0X0FBRDU4RTcx] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjYwOTc1X0U3NEIwQTVB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjYwNTI4X0VEOTc3QkM2] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjU5MDEwX0Y0MDI1Nzg2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjU3MzQ1XzFCODY5RTI2] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjUxOTA0XzIwMTFCMUJF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 22728347:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjUwMTY5X0JFNTU1QzU4] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjQ2ODA4Xzg4RDI4NkFC] [quote:ExploringTheTruth:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjQ2MzY5X0E1REFGRTVB] [quote:waterman:MV8yMjY2ODEyXzM5MjI4NjEzXzYzMUFDMUZC] :seventy 3three: [/quote] Hello Waterman, What do you think about the star of david alignement taking place tthe moment? One Love, D. [/quote] I'm very curious about it because it is in the 40 day period between July 28/29 and Rosh Hashanah Sept 5/6 2013...and possibly a 40 day call to repentance could come that day if an Elijah shows up......I guess I'll wait and see....thanks for your post [/quote] A 40 day call of repentance could come forth from a major disaster or a great crisis, just as well as an Elijah's appearance could. Repentance call is a repentance call, regardless of what force God brings about to manifest that repentant attitude. It is not the declaration of the repentance announcement that is necessary toward that repentance....but the need of understanding the necessity of that requirement. This, in my opinion, is more often than not, through some grave revelation of a certain tragic happening. [/quote] I look at it with the point of view that ninevah will stand up and testify against the united states in the end and if a Jonah/Elijah type isn't sent with a 40 day call to repentance the united states would call a "that's no fair" If the "day of the Lord" is the destruction of the u.s and Elijah comes [color=darkred]before[/color] the "day of the Lord" it would be to bring a call of repentance before judgement comes The prophetic time clock should start and [color=darkblue]I'm just guessing [/color]40 days after Elijah shows up and the calendar years for prophetic years are 360 day years. So we should have [color=darkred]42 months(1260 days)[/color] jacobs trouble then [color=darkred]42 months(1260 days)[/color] the [color=darkred]first half[/color] of the 7 year tribulation and then [color=darkred]42 months(1260 days)[/color] for the [color=darkred]last half[/color] of the tribulation and the death of the 2 witnesses for a total of 3780 days from the "day of the lord" to the death of the 2 witneeses. If Elijah doesn't at least show up 40 days before the "day of the lord" with the attempt to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers I would be bewildered. I believe Elijah shows up for the call to repentance for 40 and then does the same thing Paul did instead of going into Jerusalem Paul went into arabia(the wilderness) for 3 years to be taught by Jesus as paul states in Galtaians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ. [/quote] Again this is all speculation on your part. The word does not declare any such thing about a 40 day period before the day of the Lord in [Mal.4:5] or anywhere else in the word concerning Elijah. And even though Nineva was warned 40 days in advance, Sodom and Gomorrah only had a one day notice before its destruction, and Elijah had nothing to do with either of those events. God's word states he will send Elijah before the day of the Lord's dreadful day, but to turn the hearts of men, not to warn of repentance. Now, speculation would attest to the fact that Elijah preached repentance both times he appeared as himself, and as the spirit of the man through the baptist. It still remains speculation and is not a biblical based explanation toward the lucid declaration of Elijah timely method of his purpose or calling at that time. [color=darkblue]Neither, is declared the time or a lucid purpose of Elijah's calling in the latter days, except for the purpose of turning hearts toward one another in reunion to themselves (fathers to the children, and children toward the fathers [Mal.4:6]. [/color] As to how you intermingle Paul's ministry with Elijah's purpose befuddles me. Again speculation far from any biblical bases. That's like declaring Moses parted the Red Sea, and than declaring that it had something to do with Peter being a fisherman. Further, I believe that the time period will be when the land appears as the land of Eden, and the season is before the harvest, and the summer is near its end, as the word declares, that the destruction comes forth. None of these events are depictions of a mid Nov event, as you are speculating (40 days after Oct 6) in this nation. It is not summer then, the harvest has ended by then, and the land is mostly barren in its appearance as winter approaches. Far from an Eden appearance throughout the nation. Again only speculation, yet, clearly stated as so in the word. [b][Jer.8:20] The harvest is past, the summer is ended and still we are not saved. [/b] This appears to be a declaration of a late summer destruction, just before the harvest time. the destruction came and by the time the harvest ends still no other nation came to the nation's aid. Perhaps one reason , but only one, is because of the radiation danger in the land from the destruction, no aid came. [b]{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.[/b] Again, the Nation as a whole, does not have the appearance of the garden of Eden in the middle of Nov, but in the late summer, early fall, is the land's appearance beatific in its own surroundings. Again I know [color=orange]your calculations are through the reading of the stars,[/color] but without the clarity of the word....the stars all become dim. [/quote] [color=orange]It's not reading the stars it observing Revelation 12 and paying attention to when it says this is a "great sign"(woman clothed in the sun and moon at her feet only happens once a year and sometimes not even that and never on the same date) that makes me pay attention to it.[/color] You don't have a nation(united states) follow the same pattern as Israel in Jeremiahs time and not send an Elijah to do the same job that Jeremiah did but in a quicker time. If Elijah can get the attention of over 300 million people in 30 minutes to 1 day that will be a miracle in itself. I would think 40 days to be the more appropriate time frame to send a message to be accepted or rejected by a people [color=darkblue]It's very clear what Elijahs purpose is and that is to "restore all things" just as Jesus said [/color] Matthew 17:11: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and [color=darkblue]restore all things.[/color] Moses went to mount sinai Paul went to arabia(3 years) where mount sinai is located and elijah went to mount sinai....when it says the woman goes into the wilderness for 1260 days(3.5 years) it will be in mount sinai location to learn what she needs to learn. as for this part: [b]{Joel.2:3] Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but behind them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.[/b] The enemy comes from the north heading south the southern states still look like the garden of eden in Mid november [/quote] Waterman, waterman, waterman, you never cease to amaze me how you can conjure up statements to fit your own conjectures of adversely declaring what scripture clearly is actually stating. Now, nowhere does it state anywhere, that Paul was in Arabia three years, and especially not in [Gal. 1:12] as you stated in your earlier post. I knew this as a fact when you quoted it, for it happened to be one of the books I memorized many years ago, through God's grace. You I believe was seeking to reflect [Gal.1:17-18] and its meaning. No, it does not say he (Paul) spent three years in Arabia or any mention of Mt. Sinai. It simply states he went into Arabia and than returned to Damascus (Gal.1:17]. Then afterwards in three years he returned to Jerusalem [Gal.1:18]. [color=darkred]He simply returned to Jerusalem after being in Damascus for approx three years. [/color] You make it sound like Paul's over at Mt. Sinai talking to Jesus for three solid years. There is no solid bases of such a happening in these verses, except perhaps through the imagination. You know that thing we are admonished to cast down. [b]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God [2Cor.10:5]. [/b] There is no verse in all of scripture that even indicates that the woman going into the wilderness is at Mt. Sinai. Albeit, many believe it will be Mt. Hermon Israel that God will direct her to, we shall see. Seems simpler for the movement of the two witnesses, and God's people to move about Jerusalem in the end days if they need only come forth periodically only a few miles from Mt. Hermon, compared to hundreds of miles every trip into Jerusalem from Mt. Sinai. Makes no sense whatsoever to say over half the nation will not look like the garden of Eden when the enemy comes forth, but God was just declaring the destruction for half a nation. The heck with that old cold Northern states that sets in some frost-land in November. God does not act this way. He is inclusive of the whole nation when speaking prophetical, just as the whole person when spoken of prophetically. Use some discernment waterman, don't make-up the story as you go along..lol. Elijah restoring all things has an implication of the tribal positions, not in the order of establishing all things in many other matters. Jesus only, is the only restorer of all things in all matters. A great sign can mean many things. Simply because the depiction of the woman appears with stars, and the sun, and the moon, does not mean it is in reference to the heavenly aspect of its meaning, it is but only the symbolism of its writings. Just as much of Revelation is symbolic/metaphors. I am pretty sure a big dragon in the sky is not really what Satan actually looks like. As I stated earlier on this thread it is not necessarily the announcement of the need for repentance that induces an action, as much as an event of a crisis/disaster that awakens an action....of the souls of men/women. Nevertheless, we shall see. You may be half right, than again in all sincere humility...I may also be half right...or more...lol. [/quote] It doesn't say he was in damascus for the 3 years either....which is more probable the wilderness area of the place covenants are made mount sinai(arabia) to spend the majority of the 3 years or damascus...it's a 60/40 thing but I lean toward wilderness time in arabia for 3 years [/quote] I believe it be 70/30 in my favor. Consider the evidence of a truth recognized. Remember Damascus and the brother of Paul's fellowship. Remember that brother, whose name was Ananias. Who risk his life to follow the obedient command of his master. Now Ananias it is declared in the word was obedient and followed the instructions to pray for his brother Paul. Through this obedient action Paul received his sight back and was filled with the holy spirit. Now I have never been physically blind, but to receive your sight, once blind must be a wondrous experience. Nevertheless, being baptised in the holy spirit is an experience that is unexplainable to all those who have not known its effect. Now, here is a man (Paul) who knew the ways of the law and served them all his life and believe it was the road toward salvation. So he goes and decides to set himself down for the next three years next to a lonely long deserted mountain in Arabia or find the fellowship he now sought out in Christ and his salvation. God is a God of motion. We need not seek out Christ through our yesterdays. Christ is not in a deserted mountain, its purposed fulfilled and past. No, not of the memories of our yesteryear's is the fellowship of the present, but that fellowship is in Christ. In his servants and the words of our testimonies toward the witness of his salvation toward those still seeking. No, I do not believe Paul went back to his old ways seeking salvation through the law of Moses and the ways of Sinai, but through the fellowship of his brother in Christ and those fellows with him did they in communion of the greater things than the strident rules of the law's commands. For where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. [/quote] lol you sure about the 70 percent...Jesus himself had to go through 40 days of wilderness and your telling me paul didn't have a wilderness time...of course he was beaten and tortured but he had to have spent time in the wilderness before going directly into bringing forth new revealtion as he did and paul said he didnt learn it from anybody but the revelation of Jesus himself...I belive paul spent 3 years and to be exact 42 mmonths in the wilderness just as the elijah to come will do the same [/quote] No man after going through the wilderness, need go through the same wilderness, the lessen has been taught. I believe, Paul's lessen was taught not on the road of the law, but the road of Damascus. You need not spend your time in some desert place to receive new revelations. Unless, of course you are claiming new revelations, because you spent your time in a desert place, or was you surrounded by others and and their fellowship and still received what is revealed to you. [/quote] Meant to say lesson..not lessen.. in the above statement. Sorry about that. [/quote]
Original Message
Revelation 12
King James Version
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
October 6 2013
Virgo is clothed with the sun and
The moon is under her feet and in line with mercury and saturn
Possible sign of Jonah time which is a 40 day call to repentance before destruction of that "great city of ninevah"
(united states)
Malachi 4:5-6:
5 Behold,
I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
40 means judgement
Of all the types and shadows of the Old Testament, none is as pervasive and important as the shadows revealed in the relationship between "forty," and the fulfillment of promises.
The rains (in Noah's day) fell for 40 days and nights (Genesis 7:4).
Israel ate Manna for 40 years (Exodus 16:35).
Moses was with God in the mount, 40 days and nights (Exodus 24:18).
Moses was again with God 40 days and 40 nights (Exodus 34:28).
Moses led Israel from Egypt at age 80 (2 times 40), and after 40 years in the wilderness, died at 120 (3 times 40; Deuteronomy 34:7).
The spies searched the land of Canaan for 40 days (Numbers 13:25).
Therefore, God made Israel wander for 40 years (Numbers 14:33-34).
40 stripes was the maximum whipping penalty (Deuteronomy 25:3).
God allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 3:11).
God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 5:31).
God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 8:28).
Abdon (a judge in Israel) had 40 sons (Judges 12:14).
Israel did evil; God gave them to an enemy for 40 years (Judges 13:1).
Eli judged Israel for 40 years (1 Samuel 4:18).
Goliath presented himself to Israel for 40 days (1 Samuel 17:16).
Saul reigned for 40 years (Acts 13:21).
Ishbosheth (Saul's son) was 40 when he began reign (2 Samuel 2:10).
David reigned over Israel for 40 years (2 Samuel 5:4, 1 Kings 2:11).
The holy place of the temple was 40 cubits long (1 Kings 6:17).
40 baths (measurement) was size of lavers in Temple (1 Kings 7:38).
The sockets of silver are in groups of 40 (Exodus 26:19 & 21).
Solomon reigned same length as his father; 40 years (1 Kings 11:42).
Elijah had one meal that gave him strength 40 days (1 Kings 19:8).
Ezekiel bore the iniquity of the house of Judah for 40 days (Ezekiel 4:6).
Jehoash (Joash) reigned 40 years in Jerusalem (2 Kings 12:1).
Egypt to be laid desolate for 40 years (Ezekiel 29:11-12).
Ezekiel's (symbolic) temple is 40 cubits long (Ezekiel 41:2).
The courts in Ezekiel's temple were 40 cubits long (Ezra 46:22).
God gave Nineveh 40 days to repent (Jonah 3:4).
Jesus fasted 40 days and nights (Matthew 4:2).
Jesus was tempted 40 days (Luke 4:2, Mark 1:13).
Jesus remained on earth 40 days after resurrection (Acts 1:3).
Women are pregnant for 40 weeks (time of testing).
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