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Mary was NOT a virgin - repeat - MARY WAS NOT A VIRGIN!!!
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I'm always amazed to see people, who are normally highly intelligent, suddenly turn into ignorant morons the moment they are confronted with "religious" dogma. If you would ask these people whether their female cat could become pregnant without being exposed to a "tom" cat, they would tell you - in no way, unless through AI (artificial insemination).
Yet, these same "intelligent" people believe the silly story of Mary being impregnated by some invisible force called the "Holy Spirit."
Well, I have news for you - If it doesn't work for cats and dogs, it doesn't work with humans either!! Mary did not get impregnated by some invisible force. SHE WAS RAPED!@!!
“Jesus was the son of a certain Julius whose surname was Panthera.” St Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis (315-403)
Origen supports the Jewish records and confirms that the paramour (lillicit partner of a married person) of the mother of Jesus was a Roman soldier called Panthera, a name he repeats in verse 1:69. Some time during the 17th century, those sentences were erased from the oldest Vatican manuscripts and other codices under Church control. This is an extraordinary declaration, simply recorded in ancient records as accepted Church history. The ben Panthera legend was so widespread that two early stalwarts of the Christian Church inserted the name in the genealogies of Jesus and Mary as a matter of fact. Enlarging on that statement, this passage from the Talmud:
Rabbi Shiemon ben Azzai has said: I found in Jerusalem a book of genealogies; therein was written that Such-an-one [Jesus] is the bastard son of an adulteress.15
"Such-an-one" was one of the well-known substitutes for Jesus in the Talmud. The story of Mary’s pregnancy by a Roman soldier also appears in the sacred book of the Moslems, the Koran. It states that "a full-grown man" forced his attentions on Mary, and in her fear of the disgrace that would follow she left the area and bore Jesus in secret. This story was supported in the Gospel of Luke, with the description of the departure of Joseph and Mary from their home prior to the birth. Rape was a common event in Palestine during the Roman occupation, and soldiers were notorious for their treatment of young women. It would be unthinkable for Mary to admit such an event had occurred, for under the Law of Moses a betrothed virgin who had sex with any man during the period of her betrothal was to be stoned to death by the men of the city (Deut. 22:21). Simply put, Mary faced the death penalty unless she could prove her innocence.16 [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
“Some said, Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit, they are in error.” Gospel of Phillip
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