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The Demiurge
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[quote:Craazee8:MV8zMTQyODUwXzU2MjI4MDU3XzFFNUYzMzU2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 72019887:MV8zMTQyODUwXzU2MjI2OTc3X0MzNjcxRDY4] OP, I believe you are on the right track. The creator/demiurge created this Universe with material from a cess pool of the contaminated remains of previous Universes....this is the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nowhere else is the split dyadic nature of this reality a feature. The creator was also creating with an imperfect set of building tools, himself having being created by his mother Sophia without consent of the Divine Spirit, he is therefore incomplete and very insecure about it... There are an infinite number of Universes and creators..this one though is different..the chief archon creator has trapped Celestial man here in the holographic/material illusion so that he may be a source of spiritual food for the creator and his cohorts. To address your original question how can there have ever been no Atoms/Adams suffice to say that there is and always has been only 'One' and that One is Source, everything is made from it and it is in everything. Peace [/quote] So there is an ocean of creators floating in the infinity of the divine spirit and the demiurge is just a turdlet, let loose by the mistake of knowledge, into the perfection of the unity, and reaches out into the pollution of his being and splats the holy essence into the singularity that explodes out to the dimensional realms of our existence. And still we are within the essence of the polluted demiurge who knows the reality of the unity and denies it to us in order to fulfill his polluted vile self. As Robert Fripp put it, "[i]you can not achieve pain without suffering[/i]". [/quote]
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It's not conceivable that there was nothing.
What does nothing mean?
We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom).
How can there ever have been no Atoms?
The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin.
Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred.
But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that?
The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here.
Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities.
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