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Subject Why do people follow AA???

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[quote:Sumati Talveer]

Since he was Prescribed LSD and it worked well for him, it doesn't surprise me that he advocated the use of LSD

kudos!  Now we have an interesting discussion.

If the 12 Steps are so spiritual, healing and uplifting, what in the world was Bill Wilson doing by participating in the experiments to begin with??

Obviously the 12 Steps must snake oil, because it didn't do much for the original author.  HE MUST HAVE BEEN A DRY DRUNK TO PARTICIPATE!!!!

And AA knows what being a dry drunk means.  Your not working the Steps!  But how is the original architect of the 12 Steps, not working them???
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Are you flipping kidding me?  Just because someone goes to meetings and attends AA and doesn't drink, that doesn't mean that it is EASY to quit drinking, or that you are CURED of the disease.  AND just because you believe in AA and go to meetings that doesn't mean people you may not fall back on the steps.  In fact it is one of the main reasons WHY people relapse.  I don't understand why you have to slam AA.  If you feel shitty because you were duped then fine...can you leave it alone for the rest of the people that enjoy and benefit from the program?  Just because a friend of mine doesn't immunize her kids (it's dangerous, they are implanting chips, Doctor's say it causes Autism, etc.), she doesn't slam my doctor or me for advocating it.  I am sure if anyone asked Bill he would have said LSD probably isn't for everyone, just like AA isn't for everyone.  But it worked for him and he wanted to share that with people.
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Original Message Been there, done that for 12+ years.

I was a walking/talking Big Book 12 Stepper. Seriously. I never personified alcoholism. I had a problem in my teens, joined the military, got student loan $, graduated college and grew up.

But AA tells you its a spiritual program. So, I thought I could benefit and go to meetings, my Dad went and sobered up; and I was grateful. But he left after 2 years and remained sober.

I had been entertaining idea(s) for a while and knew somewhere I would have to leave AA; only under very solid evidence against it. For the life of me I could not imagine what. Then I came across the Orange Papers (do a google search). It says AA is a cult. Wilson did LSD 20+ years into sobriety (I knew this already but somehow justified it because Wilson was a GREAT man!), the OxFord Group had ties to Nazi Socialism, Wilson was an incurable alley cat, the recovery rates at AA are worse than spontaneously quitting, etc.. etc..

Now I walk a new/old path. Back to my Church of origin, which is normally slammed in meeting rooms. My Church has always been there, but I couldn't entertain it because I had been so brainwashed in AA.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. What does that mean??? Me or someone else?? I've met this requirement for 15+ years. And I am willing to help people quit drinking by getting them back to Church where they belong, not in cult induced church basements lighting candles and quoting mind controlling slogans.

One cannot read the Orange Papers with an open mind, and not want to be a part of AA fellowship.

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