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[quote:Lester]
No handgun round that provides instant incapacitation...

Maybe not, but a large diameter, .429/.452 bullet, weighing over 240-350gr and moving 1000fps will suffice.  Hell, the .45acp was developed to stop the drugged up Maori Philipino insurrectionists.  Maybe they are little guys?  Sgt York seems to have acquitted himself very nicely with a 1911.

I dunno.  Who can argue with the latest expert dujour and their data?  I recall reading Skeeter Skelton's article in Shooting Times where he described killing slaughter bulls at a friends meatpacking yard.  The .44magnum, then the worlds most powerful, was 100%, iirc.  Even the owners .30-06 with surplus AP armor-piercing, wasn't 100%.

Who the hell knows?  You go with what is proven to work. Ball .45acp will "work".  Will it kill a charging Cape Buffalo or 350lb derango meth freak?  Probably not instantaneously, or maybe your number wasn't up yet and you are successful???

About all I am trying to do with any of my informational threads is share something I know about.  No, I've never shot at anyone so no experience in the killing wild-eyed maniacs dept.

Most pistolfights take place within 7ft, that used to be an accepted maxim proven by FBI statistics.  I know I want a 230gr flat point fmj bullet if the chips are down, otherwise I have Federal Hydrashok and Silvertips.

Got some 200gr fmj flatpoints by mistake from the dealer.  250 of these will do the job in my .45 Super cases.

Even cheap ball .45acp ammo is accurate.  If you can land a center torso hit with a .45acp your opponent will go down.  The old adage is to shoot until they are no longer a threat, IE drop their gun.

Who wants to shoot anybody?  
Yet if the shithooks materialize on your backporch, you better be able to land solid blows and still have a loaded weapon.  A .45acp is very able, unless you prefer a Desert Eagle in .44mag or .50AE.  They work too.
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Mel Tappan wrote the definitive work. Many people think "things have changed and weapons evolved". Not so much, but let us discuss Tappan's premises, or read hear/here and hopefully gain some perspective.

Basic premise of Tappan's work was Guns are Essential Tools for comfortable living in uncertain times. He saw Two Categories; Working and Defensive weaponry. Working guns are those for hunting, precision shooting, pest control, and flexible response to non-critical situations. Defensive weapons are those which were designed and made for modern fighting conditions, when you may have to fire several hundred rounds in a hurry. Only military-type weapons stand up to the requirements of Defensive fighting use. Precision and other sporting arms are not capable of fast reload for sustained rates of fire and their barrels are not constructed to tolerate the heat generated and remain accurate.

I first read Tappan's book in 1983. It is a great read for all the discussion of every allied topic imagineable. He even talks of improvised weapons like the Bolo, Atlatl, slingshots, and Archery gear.

Having weapons of any sort is certainly a plus these days. Having ammunition for them in sufficient quantity is also a huge factor in your peace of mind equation. Costs and availabiity are issues which are making this more IFFY for lots of folk.

I will discuss what I know and have worked with. A person with only a few basic weapons can be as well-prepared as the ones who choose to have a Mel Tappan Dream Setup. The Dream Setup was the right tool in every category for almost every possibility. Great if you live in the remote Rockies but a bit much to lug around if you're bugging out from Grosse Pointe to the Upper Peninsula.

Share your thoughts as we go along. Hopefully, we don't have to convince others of why they must adopt our views and tools.

The ideal semi-auto pistol will be open to much contention as will hideout/defensive weapons. Having one you know how to use, hit with, and have spare parts for will outweigh other considertions. Having good quality, durable, and accurate weapons with versatile sighting systems and flexible ammunition will enable good results. Such will by my goal in this discussion to impart information you can rely on with good results...

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