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[quote:Anonymous Coward 795135:MV84MTQ3MzlfMTcyMjk4NDFfRDA1NEQxNzg=] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_Apollo_Moon_photographs A resident of Perth, Australia, with the pseudonym Una Ronald, said she saw a soft drink bottle in the frame which was edited out of later versions, and said that many articles appeared discussing this in The West Australian newspaper at the time. Western Australia was the only place in the world that got their feed 'live' without delay.[23] It is true that Australian viewers saw the footage first, as the downlink was to several radio-telescopes in New South Wales, including the famous Parkes Observatory.[24] But the lead over Houston's transmission was only 6 seconds. Not enough time to do a convincing superimposition of a bottle being kicked by an astronaut, and not enough time to convincingly remove a bottle kicked by an actor, even with today's technology, and even if the operator was prepared in advance. Transmissions from the moon required video signals of very different design than that of ordinary television, and were converted to standard video by pointing a camera at a video screen, a process known as kinescope[24]-- similar to the predominant method of recording TV in the day -- to 16mm film, not to video-tape, which was expensive and cumbersome.[25] The process is vulnerable to added reflections between the monitor glass and the camera lens. "Ghost" mirror images of highlights appear throughout the recordings of the broadcast video and are undoubtedly a result of this process.[26] Such artifacts were noticed at the time by the operators, though some of them may have been introduced in the recording of the broadcast, rather than during the preparation for broadcast. Analysis shows an optical artifact fitting the description given. It is clearly caused by a reflection inside the kinescope conversion system. Its motion precisely mirrors Aldrin's in the shot (see Kick the bottle and "Una Ronald"). An MPEG video segment available directly from NASA, said to be of the exact footage in question,[27] does indeed show artifacts which correspond to ghosting occurring -- although none obviously resemble any type of bottle. Indeed, with the quality of the recording available, spotting a stray bottle on the "set" is a hard task, even when told what to look for, where and when. A researcher who examined archival copies of the editions of the paper surrounding this time was unable to find any evidence of discussion described by the original source.[23] "Una Ronald"'s true identity has been kept secret (however the brand-name of the soft drink bottle has been widely promoted), and her claims have only been relayed by one source. According to one source,[23] the claim from "Una" distinctly mentioned that she had to "stay up late" to watch the moon landing live. This may indicate that she is an invention of someone who is not from Australia, or who has little knowledge of the Moon Landing, as those who did watch the moon landing live in Australia usually recall that it occurred in the middle of the Australian day. This event was the news-of-the-day and the talk-of-the-town, the world over, and it requires a stretch of the imagination to conceive that someone who witnessed it could misplace the timing so grossly, and yet accurately recall the presence of a bottle flashing past in the blink of an eye, well enough to discount the weight of evidence in favour of the belief that humankind did in fact reach the moon. All Australian school children, where possible, were given the opportunity to watch it on television live -- a very very rare treat indeed, in 1969 in an Australian school![28] It would be technically incorrect to say that Western Australia received the footage "before the rest of the world", since this discounts the remainder of Australia. So if that is what was claimed in the original source for the claim, then that is one more glossing-over of the specific details of the event, which does not count in their favour, and demonstrates an actual lack-of-familiarity with Australia. Parkes puts the time of the broadcast at 12:54pm, and WA is 2 hours behind Australian Eastern Standard Time,[29][dead link] so any live broadcast would have been received there at around 11am local time. (Daylight saving time is not active in the Southern Hemisphere in July when the moon landing took place, so the calculation is simplified.) So assuming "Una" did indeed watch her broadcast late at night, then logically the reason her footage differed from that seen by the rest of the world must have been that it had been doctored between the time of the live broadcast when most of the world failed to observe anything unusual, and her later viewing some kind of delayed broadcast[23] (none is known to have taken place, but the possibility is hard to rule out). However it is not difficult to verify that video-tape technology was not widely available in 1969, and was bulky, expensive and required specialist knowledge to operate.[25][30] Film was still the predominant storage medium, even for professional archiving of television broadcasts.[24] Altering a video tape would require access to prized equipment, which would be unlikely to be available to the casual practical-joker, even if they had the ability to operate it so well. [/quote]
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Debunker Talk Live Chat May 15
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poster from those silly SOZT...EOZT threads etc etc.
Or just post your thoughts/opinions.
Open Discussion on Zetatalk; Bunkers; and it/their inability, over the last
Six
years to provide
ANY
truthful Facts and Knowledge to support the absurd
Failed
predictions of the "Candy Wrapper Aliens".
Let's see how long the Three "bunker" Amigos can bounce off each other in their little padded room over there on
Zetatalk Jive Turkey Chat!!
PS: If any of you debunkers want to meet in the GLP text/voice chat for some LIVE audio conversation we should set a day/time to meet up in one of the rooms to have a discussion etc.
Would find it a pleasure to converse with some of you guys. I mean there's a wealth of different subjects to talk about besides this silly zetatalk stuff.
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