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[quote:Anonymous Coward 74444:MV84MTQ3MzlfMjQxMTg1NTRfNzcxMkY1ODA=] [quote:**ZetaMax**] >> [i]What, specifically, is wrong headed about it? Be specific.[/i] It's wrong-headed to paint all these scenarios with the same brush. First off - Y2K was hardly a religion. It was a legitimate problem that got "over"-hyped. [/quote] Yes. Into a religion. The likes of Gary North and Yourdon and Beach spun it RAPIDLY into a belief system, complete with their own flavor of STO and STS dichotomy. The parallels are striking. [quote:**ZetaMax**] But even the over-hype was plausible [i]if the code never got fixed[/i]. But thankfully it did get fixed. [/quote] Bullcrap. The threat wasn't plausible at all -- and the fact that countries with tech infrastructures that spent *zero* on Y2K remediation only encountered minor glitches attests to that. The idea spun up primarily due to people who did *not* know what they were talking about, and ignoring the engineers who DID know what they were talking about. There was a problem that needed fixing. But the over-hype scenarios were NEVER plausible. It's very similar to the way non-astronomers continue to make outlandish PX claims, while those that have actually studies astronomy and astrophysics continue to correct them -- and be borne out. The parallels continue. [quote:**ZetaMax**] There was a rumor that Y2K was a psyop designed to test the response of the population to dire predictions of doom presented in the mass media - because Y2K got significant coverage in the MSM. To the DELIGHT of the elite, MOST people did NOTHING. Of those that did, the vast majority waited until 1999, and most of those did little more than put away extra water, and extra flashlight batteries. The hard-core ones who prepared for TEOTWAWKI, were an extreme RARITY. Probably in the order of one tenth of one percent. [/quote] I don't think there's much evidence that it was a psyop. Particularly as the word gets tossed about so frequently, that it might lead you to believe that a dog crapping on the sidewalk has conspiratorial overtones. [quote:**ZetaMax**] And yes, some of those who prepared most diligently, were probably also the ones most likely to still consider it a "problem" well after 1/1/2000. [/quote] Yes. They refused to let go of the core meme -- that Y2K was going to be a Bad Thing -- with almost RELIGIOUS fervor. Again, the parallels with current PX believers remain fairly exact. [quote:**ZetaMax**] I for one, was so relieved, that in February I re-entered the "normal" world by buying a collector mint 1977 Z-28 Camaro (which I still have by the way). For the most part, I was ***FINE*** until 9-11. 9-11 reawakened the DOOMSTER in me, and it has been alive and well ever since. [/quote] I expect that happened for a lot of people, despite the fact that the threat had always been there. To me, however, there is a whole plethora of differences between natural disasters and human malevolence. Certainly one should have prudent preparations for both. [quote:**ZetaMax**] Y2K was one specific date, and related to one very precise problem. [/quote] So was May 15th, 2003. [quote:**ZetaMax**] Once the date passed, and it was clear that enough code had indeed been fixed to avoid significant problems, there was no danger of any kind of near-term recurrence. [/quote] So it was that Nancy's ability as a prognosticator was tested, and she failed. Why didn't her particular meme/strain die right there? Why did/do some believers CONTINUE to believe? [quote:**ZetaMax**] PX is an entirely different story however. Unlike Y2K, there is no date that it "can't" show up - because by all accounts, its been at least 3600 years since it last showed, so in order for clock to reset, WE HAVE TO SEE IT. Otherwise, it is in danger of showing up - if not tomorrow, or next month, or next year, perhaps the next decade. It's open ended. [/quote] Forgetting, of course, that it may not exist at all. It is like other cults discovered: Definitive doomsday dates are bad for the health of the cult. Keep such info vague, and they'll keep coming for more, making every excuse imaginable for continued failed predictions. [quote:**ZetaMax**] Now it's true that it may not exist at all - but given the available evidence, there is no way to know that with certainty. [/quote] But there's no way to know with certainty that an invisible dragon lives in my garage, or that undetectable fairies cause the flowers to bloom, or that all of reality is only in YOUR HEAD, ZM. Yet you give none of those ideas the same credence as you do PX, despite there being PRECISELY the same amount of positive evidence for each. Why? [quote:**ZetaMax**] Nancy is but ONE voice calling out PX. There are LOTS of others. Just because she was wrong in 2003, doesn't automatically negate the other predictors and prophets - that would be ABSURD. [/quote] So, please answer this, if you choose ignore the rest of my post: What, FINALLY, automatically negates the other predictors and prophets that ISN'T absurd? When does one finally say 'Nope, the PX idea simply doesn't hold water?' When is it finally OK to let go of this failed idea? When do believers admit to themselves, and others, that Santa PX doesn't exist? Or CAN'T they? [/quote]
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Debunker Talk Live Chat May 15
Feel free to quote
ANY
poster from those silly SOZT...EOZT threads etc etc.
Or just post your thoughts/opinions.
Open Discussion on Zetatalk; Bunkers; and it/their inability, over the last
Six
years to provide
ANY
truthful Facts and Knowledge to support the absurd
Failed
predictions of the "Candy Wrapper Aliens".
Let's see how long the Three "bunker" Amigos can bounce off each other in their little padded room over there on
Zetatalk Jive Turkey Chat!!
PS: If any of you debunkers want to meet in the GLP text/voice chat for some LIVE audio conversation we should set a day/time to meet up in one of the rooms to have a discussion etc.
Would find it a pleasure to converse with some of you guys. I mean there's a wealth of different subjects to talk about besides this silly zetatalk stuff.
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