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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
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[quote:U3:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4NDc5NjFfQzUyNzA2RkY=] [quote:VersionTwo:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4NDYzMTVfMzgyMEI2OTI=] [quote:U3:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4NDE4OTJfRkYxRjdFNjE=] [quote:Chaol:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4NDA1NjRfMjE4MDMzQUQ=] [quote:U3:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4Mzc1OThfODA1OTg3RTA=] [quote:Chaol:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4MzQ3NjZfRjE0OENEQTg=] [quote:U3:MV84NzI1OTBfMzc4MzQzNTlfNEREMzJCMjY=] Chaol has stated that emotions are perception and they are an infection. (Wish I had the links.) NeoChaol explained the infection part pretty well. I think the definition of logic, might shed light into Chaol's statement that emotions are perception. logic Noun Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity: "experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic". A particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference: "Aristotelian logic". Synonyms reason [/quote] I believe the use of "infection" was more of the definition "to affect in a contagious way" rather than something exclusively harmful. It is here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message872590/reply22064890 It seems as though he considers emotions to be passable from person to person. This isn't so far-fetched, as spending time around a very happy person (or unhappy) will attest. You can spend time around a sick person and not catch the virus yourself, and you can spend time around an angry person and not become angry yourself. However, considering we don't exactly understand what an emotion is, it is certainly possible that 'your' emotions are actually a part of your environment rather than something that happens without outside influence. Laughter is thought to be contagious. Why not other emotions? [/quote] Right. I was just trying to see the difference in emotions and logic...since we have established logic (order) is inherent in chaos. Thanks for linking to the post. I found this gem there too: "By "infections" I do not mean a negative or detrimental process occurring in a person's mind or body. However, we have no clear understanding of emotions (or consciousness) in this world. This, of course, does not validate my claims that emotions are infections. But the fact that there is no clear understanding of what emotions are should at least open the door to the possibility that the process of biochemical processes interacting with environmental influences is the same with the body (as a virus, in getting sick) as with the mind (emotions)." [/quote] Do you think that an emotion can have logic behind it, even if we don't agree with the logic? For example, John is happy because the paint on his wall has not dried yet. It need not make sense to us, but if we were in John's brain we would be able to see how it made sense - to see the map to the happiness for the wet paint. [b]As chaos is an order we do not (yet) understand, perhaps emotions are relationships that we may or may not understand. [/b] But as humans I think we're quick to separate emotions from logic because we believe that only one way is logical or that if it is logical then it is without emotion and the domain of machines. [b]That we cannot both be emotional and logical.[/b] As I understand it, in Ecsys everything is logical. But we may not be able to see how something makes sense. [b]But there is so much we don't understand about our own minds.[/b] [/quote] Great points! Thanks. I am reminded that when I was younger, I used to follow only my heart in making decisions. I found that didn't work well so I switched to making decisions based on logic...... that didn't work so well, either. It is when I finally learned to use both that things worked much better for me. [/quote] I've noticed that often I'll feel an emotion, and my mind then scrambles to label it and find a cause and an explanation. I've been realizing that the two are not always meant to be stitched together into a story. I don't know where the emotions come from. Maybe they come from the colonies of bacteria -- the 90% of me? It seems to me that emotions are a very effective way to drive the cart. Even the most logical person, if hit with just the right emotional hot button, will turn his cart. Then logic will step in to rationalize the action after the fact. [/quote] Another thing I like to do is let emotions just pass through, without commentary....and just noticing them. I do this with pain, too. Let it pass through, without commentary....without deciding whether I like it or not, etc:. Surprisingly, migraine headaches have reduced in frequency, duration and pain over the years, possibly because of this practice. I haven't practiced this with emotions for as long as pain, so I can't really say much about it other than it seems to be freeing. [/quote]
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Hello!
I have been living in this world for some time now.
I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.
I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.
* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.
We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.
If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.
This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.
If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.
Thanks.
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