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A Public Apology to Jay Weidner

 
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A Public Apology to Jay Weidner
Dear GLP,

In two threads I denounced the work of a Jay Weidner. I called him a puffer, and mentioned that he does not understand a single iota of alchemy. Since then, he has heard through the grapevine of my "slanderous lies." He sent me a rather nasty email in regards to my "lies." I tried to level with him in my reply, but the second email was still full of ranting and raving. He completely misunderstood my less than tasteful words about him, and is now taking them 100% out of context.

I do not have the strength to fight this individual, nor do I have the will. So I will take back everything I said.

Jay Weidner is a master alchemist. He knows everything about alchemy. He deserves to be called an "authority on alchemy, and the hermetic arts." He is a saint, and a gift to mankind. You should believe everything he says. Do not believe me at all. I am a devil, and it's not worth your time to listen to me. You should disregard everything I've said.

I am sorry Jay Weidner for not believing you. You have made me see the light.

Pleasantly Humbled,
Aleilius

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I bet this whole "fight" is contrived by you and whomever, to attract attention to JW and some website. The phony forum battles are just another form of marketing, Nobody is falling for it.
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I bet this whole "fight" is contrived by you and whomever, to attract attention to JW and some website. The phony forum battles are just another form of marketing, Nobody is falling for it.
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You're exactly right. Please continue to follow this line of thought. You'll find the truth.

Pfft, don't make me laugh! If you all are lucky, we'll have an appearance from the master alchemist himself. This link was sent to him in my last email I sent.

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Who the hell is Jay Weidner?
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Who the hell is Jay Weidner?
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Oh wow, he is THE authority on alchemy, and the hermetic arts. Haven't you heard about him? I thought he was famous, and known by all.

You may find his great works here: [link to www.sacredmysteries.com]

Hey Jay Weidner, there you go, I advertised for you! I hope you enjoy the attention.

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Who the hell is Jay Weidner?
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OK, did he do that "Infinity The Ultimate Trip Journey Beyond Death"? I just watched that a few days ago and dug it. Good stuff. Is he one of the people speaking in that film?
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Never did buy in to his take on things. But then again, I don't buy in to a lot of the stuff I read. Bits and pieces can be found everywhere.


And I never did like the "My way or the Highway" attitude. I like the solitude of the less trodden footpaths.
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Never did buy in to his take on things. But then again, I don't buy in to a lot of the stuff I read. Bits and pieces can be found everywhere.


And I never did like the "My way or the Highway" attitude. I like the solitude of the less trodden footpaths.
 Quoting: Full Circle

Hi Full Circle, unfortunately, at certain times, it is required to yield to an individual such as the great Jay Weidner.

He has written a number of books, and made a few documentaries. He deserves our respect for this! We cannot disagree with his work! It is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Well now I'm curious. I'm probably going to have to check this Jay Weidner's site out now.
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You must be working for this guy OP. Maybe you are Jay Widner and this is some cheap promotion?
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You must be working for this guy OP. Maybe you are Jay Widner and this is some cheap promotion?
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No, actually he's trying to take me to court for libel now.

That's just great.
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tell him to suck it, love fletch.
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tell him to suck it, love fletch.
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No, this guy is serious. I don't know what has gotten into him.

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This should protect me right?
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bump

Any advice?
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you're really taking this ballsack seriously?

who sues. really.

tell him to grow a pair and you'll see him in court.
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you're really taking this ballsack seriously?

who sues. really.

tell him to grow a pair and you'll see him in court.
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I told him he's taking this way too far. Apparently he thinks I'm in league with Vincent Bridges, conspiring against him or something - I do not know the exact details.

It is of my opinion that this is a big mess, and he has nothing to go on, and would never win. Everything stated on this site is based on opinion, and fantasy. There is no truth here. Even the disclaimer at the bottom says this. I believe in order for libel to count the comments must be backed up in a factual manner.

I will talk to a lawyer on Monday of next week.
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any normal judge would throw this out. he's a whackjob.

threatening = publicity.

what exactly did you say? legitimate real life facts against him?

look jay weidner, im saying the same stuff. lets rumble in the jungle.
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in my opinion you should post the emails here and let the world know what a loose cannon he is

whats wrong weidner, cant take criticism? instead you have to reply back to people with rage?
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Oh he has the link to this thread. I will post my last two emails I sent him. I might post his emails, but I will have to talk to my lawyer first.

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Jay,

After having some time to wake up, I want to say that you completely misunderstood my qualms about you. I think you need to go back to the thread in question, and CAREFULLY re-read what I said about you.

I do not want any further contact with you. Any more emails you send me will not be read, and thus, you will not receive a reply.

I have posted a public apology thread to GLP. You may view this thread here, and slander me all you like: Thread: A Public Apology to Jay Weidner

I wish you the best of luck in your legal/civil pursuits with Vincent Bridges, and I hope you receive your just compensation. I also wish you good health, and a long life. Please take care.

In Art,
Aleilius
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Jay,

You are very difficult to follow, and your email went all over the place. It's difficult for me to form a concise reply for you.

With that being said, I believe you are taking this much more childishly than I assumed you would, and I will give you your apology, but you have not proved me wrong at all, nor do I think an apology is due. However, I do not wish to incite your wraith anymore. I simply do not have the strength to continue fighting against you. So I will yield to you: I am sorry for speaking my opinion about you. I have tried to level with you, but I will not continue fighting against you.

Age has nothing to do with this matter. Knowledge, understanding, and wisdom are paramount in this Art. Anything else is a hindrance, and this includes age. Age is simply a marker as to one's own rate of decay.

Please go back to my reply and find the sentence where I mentioned I never knew Vincent Bridges. I did not state this. Apparently you did not pay attention to my reply very well.

Oh, and by the way, I never said I had the Stone, and I doubt Cypher mentioned this either. You are taking this way out of context, and seem to be replying in an emotional manner. Please settle down, and think through this in a non-emotionally tainted perspective.

P.S. Just because you've written a few books on the subject does not make it okay for you to go around thinking you're owed proper respect from everybody. Respect is earned, and is not a given.

In Art,
Aleilius
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Any advice?
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People can sue you over anything. Let him take you to court. Can he prove he is not a puffer?
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I have advice. But not legal advice. Just strategy.

1.) Has he served you with papers yet? If not, wait 2 more weeks and if you hear nothing, it's probably a dead issue.

2.) You posted a public appology.

3.) Just because someone sues you, doesn't mean they are going to win. I don't know all the facts of the case, but it seems to me that if he is running around claiming to be THE authority of Alchemy and the Hermetic Arts, then he would need to PROVE that he is if he wishes to win because you said he wasn't. I'd like to see that.

4.) The rules on this board do not superscede the laws of the land. If he can prove you libaled him, then you're pretty much hosed. However. Don't worry. The usual compensation for a suit like this is usually 1 penny. If he wants more, then he would also have to prove damages. Which I also doubt. If he is the ALL SEEING GRAND POOBAH of the Hermetic Arts, then no amount of shit talking anyone could do could change that. Therefore liabel is thrown out. BUT he would have to PROVE he IS the big cheese. Like I said. I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Good luck.
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you're in fear of nothing.

if hes the magical wizard he claims, he's got better shit to worry about than this.

the fact that hes suing you and whining is a clear cut sign that, well, you werent wrong in the first place.
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I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

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exactly. when you're in court, the judge will say "dance, monkey" and he will not be able to.
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I have advice. But not legal advice. Just strategy.

1.) Has he served you with papers yet? If not, wait 2 more weeks and if you hear nothing, it's probably a dead issue.

2.) You posted a public appology.

3.) Just because someone sues you, doesn't mean they are going to win. I don't know all the facts of the case, but it seems to me that if he is running around claiming to be THE authority of Alchemy and the Hermetic Arts, then he would need to PROVE that he is if he wishes to win because you said he wasn't. I'd like to see that.

4.) The rules on this board do not superscede the laws of the land. If he can prove you libaled him, then you're pretty much hosed. However. Don't worry. The usual compensation for a suit like this is usually 1 penny. If he wants more, then he would also have to prove damages. Which I also doubt. If he is the ALL SEEING GRAND POOBAH of the Hermetic Arts, then no amount of shit talking anyone could do could change that. Therefore liabel is thrown out. BUT he would have to PROVE he IS the big cheese. Like I said. I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Good luck.
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One other thing to consider.....It's not Libel if it's true. ;)

If you can prove what you said was true and he can't prove his case, guess who wins? That's when you do a little thing called "Countersuit". For whatever reason. Make one up. LOL
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countersue for threatening you. clearly he did. you have documentation of it.

sounds legit to me.
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I have advice. But not legal advice. Just strategy.

1.) Has he served you with papers yet? If not, wait 2 more weeks and if you hear nothing, it's probably a dead issue.

2.) You posted a public appology.

3.) Just because someone sues you, doesn't mean they are going to win. I don't know all the facts of the case, but it seems to me that if he is running around claiming to be THE authority of Alchemy and the Hermetic Arts, then he would need to PROVE that he is if he wishes to win because you said he wasn't. I'd like to see that.

4.) The rules on this board do not superscede the laws of the land. If he can prove you libaled him, then you're pretty much hosed. However. Don't worry. The usual compensation for a suit like this is usually 1 penny. If he wants more, then he would also have to prove damages. Which I also doubt. If he is the ALL SEEING GRAND POOBAH of the Hermetic Arts, then no amount of shit talking anyone could do could change that. Therefore liabel is thrown out. BUT he would have to PROVE he IS the big cheese. Like I said. I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Good luck.


One other thing to consider.....It's not Libel if it's true. ;)

If you can prove what you said was true and he can't prove his case, guess who wins? That's when you do a little thing called "Countersuit". For whatever reason. Make one up. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 903601


If anything it would be Defamation of Character, not Libel. But again, he would have to prove he was the Supreme Flippy Flap to win it.
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of course, if he does go rip the muffler off his car and turns it into a gold soccer trophy, i'll shine his iron ore ass.
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I have advice. But not legal advice. Just strategy.

1.) Has he served you with papers yet? If not, wait 2 more weeks and if you hear nothing, it's probably a dead issue.

2.) You posted a public appology.

3.) Just because someone sues you, doesn't mean they are going to win. I don't know all the facts of the case, but it seems to me that if he is running around claiming to be THE authority of Alchemy and the Hermetic Arts, then he would need to PROVE that he is if he wishes to win because you said he wasn't. I'd like to see that.

4.) The rules on this board do not superscede the laws of the land. If he can prove you libaled him, then you're pretty much hosed. However. Don't worry. The usual compensation for a suit like this is usually 1 penny. If he wants more, then he would also have to prove damages. Which I also doubt. If he is the ALL SEEING GRAND POOBAH of the Hermetic Arts, then no amount of shit talking anyone could do could change that. Therefore liabel is thrown out. BUT he would have to PROVE he IS the big cheese. Like I said. I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

I would say you have nothing to worry about.

LOL Oh yeah....One more thing....If he can't prove he is the Master of the Universe in Alchemy and Hermetic Arts, then guess what....I could be liable for......FRAUD...

Duh duh duh DUMMMMM!!!!
Good luck.


One other thing to consider.....It's not Libel if it's true. ;)

If you can prove what you said was true and he can't prove his case, guess who wins? That's when you do a little thing called "Countersuit". For whatever reason. Make one up. LOL


If anything it would be Defamation of Character, not Libel. But again, he would have to prove he was the Supreme Flippy Flap to win it.
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I meant HE could be liable for fraud....Not me...Heh...oops.
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any sane judge would pose one simple question and throw the case out:

"if you can turn things into gold, why do you need to sue this man for money?"

case closed, judge judy.
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I have advice. But not legal advice. Just strategy.

1.) Has he served you with papers yet? If not, wait 2 more weeks and if you hear nothing, it's probably a dead issue.

2.) You posted a public appology.

3.) Just because someone sues you, doesn't mean they are going to win. I don't know all the facts of the case, but it seems to me that if he is running around claiming to be THE authority of Alchemy and the Hermetic Arts, then he would need to PROVE that he is if he wishes to win because you said he wasn't. I'd like to see that.

4.) The rules on this board do not superscede the laws of the land. If he can prove you libaled him, then you're pretty much hosed. However. Don't worry. The usual compensation for a suit like this is usually 1 penny. If he wants more, then he would also have to prove damages. Which I also doubt. If he is the ALL SEEING GRAND POOBAH of the Hermetic Arts, then no amount of shit talking anyone could do could change that. Therefore liabel is thrown out. BUT he would have to PROVE he IS the big cheese. Like I said. I'd like to see how he could do that. What....is he gonna plop a hunk of lead down on the Judge's bench and turn it into gold? Please.

Hogwash.

I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Good luck.


One other thing to consider.....It's not Libel if it's true. ;)

If you can prove what you said was true and he can't prove his case, guess who wins? That's when you do a little thing called "Countersuit". For whatever reason. Make one up. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 903601

Yea, go ahead and put that counter suit on the table for him, so that he knows that if he cant prove he is the Grand Pubba, then the tables are turned. Make sure he understands this and ask him if he is willing to take that gamble.

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