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Anonymous Coward User ID: 901109 United States 03/04/2010 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow! Really? I can just see it now. Judge: Sir, when you were 5 you called Johnny Bernstein a Poopy Face. It says right here in our records? Do you deny this sir? This shows you have a penchant for disrespectful behavior to others in society. Man: But, but... he called me a weiner... Judge: I don't want to hear anymore. Three months time for you. (slams gavel) |
smilesun User ID: 968415 Italy 05/12/2010 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disturbing. Quoting: AngelseverywhereHeads will be forced to list children as young as five on school 'hate registers' over everyday playground insults. Even minor incidents must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database until the pupil leaves secondary school. Teachers are to be told that even if a primary school child uses homophobic or racist words without knowing their meaning, simply teaching them such words are hurtful and inappropriate is not enough. Instead the incident has to be recorded and his or her behaviour monitored for future signs of 'hate' bullying. The accusations will also be recorded in databases held by councils and made available to Whitehall and ministers to help them devise future anti-bullying campaigns. The scale of the effort to stop children using homophobic or racist language was revealed after the parents of a ten-year-old primary school pupil in Somerset, Peter Drury, were told that his name would be put on a register and his behaviour monitored while he remained at school. The boy was reported after he called a friend 'gay boy'. His parents fear the record of homophobic bullying will count against him throughout his school career and even into adulthood. In another incident last year a six-year-old girl, Sharona Gower, was reported for 'racist bullying' at her school near Tunbridge Wells in Kent. Sharona was chased by two 11-year-old girls, one of whom taunted her that she had chocolate on her face. The six-year-old responded to one of the girls, who was black: 'Well, you've got chocolate on yours.' Many schools nationwide have already followed advice that they should record incidents of alleged racist, homophobic or anti-disability bullying. One report last year by the Manifesto Club civil liberties think-tank said that 40,000 children each year are having racist charges added to their school records. But ministers aim to make reporting of supposed 'hate taunting' a legal requirement for every school, primary as well as secondary, and every local authority across the country from the beginning of the new school year in September. Incidents considered serious will have to be reported to local authorities. Children's Secretary Ed Balls is set to introduce rules that, officials said, 'will mean that schools will have to record and report serious or recurring incidents of bullying to their local authority. 'This will include incidents of bullying and racism between pupils and abuse or bullying of school staff. The Government is clear that schools must take seriously any complaints made of abuse or bullying by pupils.' Pugh cartoon Schools will be expected to monitor the behaviour of individual children. Local authority records will show incidents and their nature, but not names of pupils. Head teachers were first advised to keep records of racist incidents eight years ago. Then, in 2007, heads were told to include disability-related and homophobic bullying in their tallies. Rules for heads say that using language such as 'gay' - which has had near-universal usage among British schoolchildren in recent years to denote something as inferior - counts as homophobic bullying, even if pupils do not have any homophobic intention in mind when using the word. Primary school pupils must be taught 'the nature and consequences of homophobic bullying', according to the rules. Schools Minister Vernon Coaker said: 'The majority of schools already record incidents of bullying. 'However, we want to make sure that all schools have measures in place to prevent and tackle bullying and show they are taking it seriously.' But concerns have been raised that the system turns everyday banter among children into incidents of racism or homophobia when none was meant. Margaret Morrissey, founder of campaign group Parents Outloud, said: 'This is totally appalling. The use of such language is part of the learning process. Children need to learn where the boundaries lie. And I very much doubt they understand what they are saying. 'This does not mean that the behaviour shouldn't be challenged. It must be explained that it is wrong. But to keep a register that will haunt them for years to come is going far too far and is against all rights.' Michele Elliott of the charity Kidscape said: 'Children are being criminalised and singled out here from a very early age when they don't know what they're doing.' Tory MP Ann Widdecombe said: 'Abuse in the playground has always happened and always will. 'Children have to learn to take this as part of growing up and you can't punish children for doing something they don't understand while they are very young.' HOW PETER DRURY WAS 'HATE LISTED' Penny Drury was furious when her ten-year-old son Peter was put on the local education authority's 'hate list' after he called a friend a 'gay boy' outside school. Mrs Drury, 43, was called into her son's primary school to be told by the headmaster that another mother had heard Peter using homophobic language. She was told that the incident would be registered and his file monitored while he was at Ashcombe Primary School in Westonsuper-Mare, Somerset. 'He doesn't even understand about the birds and the bees, so how can he be homophobic?' said Mrs Drury, pictured with Peter. Minor incidents must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database Register: Minor playground insults must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database (file picture) 'Peter is a very naive boy who didn't know what he was doing and is now very upset as he is now in trouble. It doesn't mean he is going to turn into a homophobic attacker when he is older. 'He must have picked up the word from somewhere and thought it to mean stupid. 'If I heard it I would have been the first to correct him and tell him not to use it, but putting him on a register seems way over the top.' Mrs Drury and her husband Brian, a manufacturing manager, asked for Peter to be removed from the register but to no avail. Mrs Drury added: 'I'm now worried if this is going to affect him applying for universities in the future. I just think the whole thing would be better sorted out by the teacher or parent explaining to them that their language is wrong and not to do it again.' [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Is it normal for a child to bite? How do I know when biting indicates a more serious problem? VIRTUALBLOGNEWS [link to virtualblognews.altervista.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 946464 United States 05/12/2010 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disturbing. Quoting: smilesunHeads will be forced to list children as young as five on school 'hate registers' over everyday playground insults. Even minor incidents must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database until the pupil leaves secondary school. Teachers are to be told that even if a primary school child uses homophobic or racist words without knowing their meaning, simply teaching them such words are hurtful and inappropriate is not enough. Instead the incident has to be recorded and his or her behaviour monitored for future signs of 'hate' bullying. The accusations will also be recorded in databases held by councils and made available to Whitehall and ministers to help them devise future anti-bullying campaigns. The scale of the effort to stop children using homophobic or racist language was revealed after the parents of a ten-year-old primary school pupil in Somerset, Peter Drury, were told that his name would be put on a register and his behaviour monitored while he remained at school. The boy was reported after he called a friend 'gay boy'. His parents fear the record of homophobic bullying will count against him throughout his school career and even into adulthood. In another incident last year a six-year-old girl, Sharona Gower, was reported for 'racist bullying' at her school near Tunbridge Wells in Kent. Sharona was chased by two 11-year-old girls, one of whom taunted her that she had chocolate on her face. The six-year-old responded to one of the girls, who was black: 'Well, you've got chocolate on yours.' Many schools nationwide have already followed advice that they should record incidents of alleged racist, homophobic or anti-disability bullying. One report last year by the Manifesto Club civil liberties think-tank said that 40,000 children each year are having racist charges added to their school records. But ministers aim to make reporting of supposed 'hate taunting' a legal requirement for every school, primary as well as secondary, and every local authority across the country from the beginning of the new school year in September. Incidents considered serious will have to be reported to local authorities. Children's Secretary Ed Balls is set to introduce rules that, officials said, 'will mean that schools will have to record and report serious or recurring incidents of bullying to their local authority. 'This will include incidents of bullying and racism between pupils and abuse or bullying of school staff. The Government is clear that schools must take seriously any complaints made of abuse or bullying by pupils.' Pugh cartoon Schools will be expected to monitor the behaviour of individual children. Local authority records will show incidents and their nature, but not names of pupils. Head teachers were first advised to keep records of racist incidents eight years ago. Then, in 2007, heads were told to include disability-related and homophobic bullying in their tallies. Rules for heads say that using language such as 'gay' - which has had near-universal usage among British schoolchildren in recent years to denote something as inferior - counts as homophobic bullying, even if pupils do not have any homophobic intention in mind when using the word. Primary school pupils must be taught 'the nature and consequences of homophobic bullying', according to the rules. Schools Minister Vernon Coaker said: 'The majority of schools already record incidents of bullying. 'However, we want to make sure that all schools have measures in place to prevent and tackle bullying and show they are taking it seriously.' But concerns have been raised that the system turns everyday banter among children into incidents of racism or homophobia when none was meant. Margaret Morrissey, founder of campaign group Parents Outloud, said: 'This is totally appalling. The use of such language is part of the learning process. Children need to learn where the boundaries lie. And I very much doubt they understand what they are saying. 'This does not mean that the behaviour shouldn't be challenged. It must be explained that it is wrong. But to keep a register that will haunt them for years to come is going far too far and is against all rights.' Michele Elliott of the charity Kidscape said: 'Children are being criminalised and singled out here from a very early age when they don't know what they're doing.' Tory MP Ann Widdecombe said: 'Abuse in the playground has always happened and always will. 'Children have to learn to take this as part of growing up and you can't punish children for doing something they don't understand while they are very young.' HOW PETER DRURY WAS 'HATE LISTED' Penny Drury was furious when her ten-year-old son Peter was put on the local education authority's 'hate list' after he called a friend a 'gay boy' outside school. Mrs Drury, 43, was called into her son's primary school to be told by the headmaster that another mother had heard Peter using homophobic language. She was told that the incident would be registered and his file monitored while he was at Ashcombe Primary School in Westonsuper-Mare, Somerset. 'He doesn't even understand about the birds and the bees, so how can he be homophobic?' said Mrs Drury, pictured with Peter. Minor incidents must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database Register: Minor playground insults must be recorded as examples of serious bullying and details kept on a database (file picture) 'Peter is a very naive boy who didn't know what he was doing and is now very upset as he is now in trouble. It doesn't mean he is going to turn into a homophobic attacker when he is older. 'He must have picked up the word from somewhere and thought it to mean stupid. 'If I heard it I would have been the first to correct him and tell him not to use it, but putting him on a register seems way over the top.' Mrs Drury and her husband Brian, a manufacturing manager, asked for Peter to be removed from the register but to no avail. Mrs Drury added: 'I'm now worried if this is going to affect him applying for universities in the future. I just think the whole thing would be better sorted out by the teacher or parent explaining to them that their language is wrong and not to do it again.' [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Is it normal for a child to bite? How do I know when biting indicates a more serious problem? Is normal for you to quote the whole article and then make a stupid comment? . |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 831992 United States 05/12/2010 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it normal for a child to bite? How do I know when biting indicates a more serious problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946464Is normal for you to quote the whole article and then make a stupid comment? . Oh come on leave Smilesun alone... just asking a question is all...no harm in that AC....and smilesun...I have no experience with children that bite. I would think it could mean a more serious problem....if its happening constantly. |
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Brwnstown User ID: 897397 United States 05/12/2010 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The UK is really messed up... Cameras everywhere, teachers beating kids with dumb bells and now documenting every stupid thing little kids say to one another... I foresee a lot of kids getting screwed later in life with these documents..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896722 United States 05/12/2010 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disturbing. Quoting: AngelseverywhereHeads will be forced to list children as young as five on school 'hate registers' over everyday playground insults. A) THAT is in England, YOU are in the U.S.. B) WHAT makes you think kids DON'T understand when they say something hateful?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 966567 United States 05/12/2010 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow! Really? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 901109I can just see it now. Judge: Sir, when you were 5 you called Johnny Bernstein a Poopy Face. It says right here in our records? Do you deny this sir? This shows you have a penchant for disrespectful behavior to others in society. Man: But, but... he called me a weiner... Judge: I don't want to hear anymore. Three months time for you. (slams gavel) Yeah, at first I was for it. Cause my nephew is bully'd at school, we think because he's blond, blue eye'd in a primarily black, hispanic school in Los Angeles. No joke, he gets taunted by the other kids, & made fun of because he raises his hand in class when teachers ask the kids for answers to questions asked. And when he loves to give the answers. He's only 9. He gets bully'd by the other kids at his school for being smart. Sucks, I feel bad for him. Buttt, now that you put the scenario that way. I guess it's not such a good idea. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 966567 United States 05/12/2010 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disturbing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896722Heads will be forced to list children as young as five on school 'hate registers' over everyday playground insults. A) THAT is in England, YOU are in the U.S.. B) WHAT makes you think kids DON'T understand when they say something hateful?? Ohhh the kids here understand. They know when they are saying something wrong, mean, or hateful. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 966567 United States 05/12/2010 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So instead of teaching accountability and content of character, we'll just criminalize everything? WTF? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554503The thing is, is the teachers can teach the kids accountability, and character and tell them what they are doing is wrong, but how often did YOU listen to your teachers at school ? Probably just as much as me, or the next person. They're only highly paid babysitters. It starts in the home. 99% of what kids know, they learned, picked up, in their own homes. The teachers are never taken seriously, by the kids, everyone knows this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 931871 United States 05/12/2010 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because this is unbelievably Orwellian. Quoting: Evil TwinThe more I see these sorts of reports and articles, the more I understand that TPTB use '1984' as a manual. It's so in your face it's unbelievable. What is it about the Brits that does not allow them to question authority? |
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PrincessBride User ID: 967230 United States 05/12/2010 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is disturbing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 966567Heads will be forced to list children as young as five on school 'hate registers' over everyday playground insults. A) THAT is in England, YOU are in the U.S.. B) WHAT makes you think kids DON'T understand when they say something hateful?? Ohhh the kids here understand. They know when they are saying something wrong, mean, or hateful. Not always. I lived in rural SD and moved to Prince George County, MD when I was 11. I honestly didn't understand half of what the other kids were saying most of the time. There were lots of words like these but for example, I had no idea what "gay" or "fag" meant even. The thing is that I know what all those words mean now and the truth is those kids couldn't give me the right answers to almost any of the meanings of those words back then. My favorite was when one kid called another kid a fag and when I asked what that even meant, they said it was a "burning stick." Well, that's the dictionary definition. So why would someone call someone else something stupid like that? They didn't know, it was something they heard some where else. They had no clue what it meant, kids just call each other names. It's what they do. No, they don't usually really know. Heart of the heroes, ride. Up through an empty house of stars, Being what heart you are, Up the inhuman steeps of space As on a staircase go in grace, Carrying the firelight on your face Beyond the loneliest star. "The Ballad Of The White Horse," G. K. Chesterton spam [link to lunarose47.wordpress.com] blog[/url] spam [link to w11.haters] |
Path_No_Logical_Ire User ID: 774195 United States 05/12/2010 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | um...why is this pinned? I mean that's cool...but it caught me off guard... Quoting: AngelseverywhereOh no... terrorist toddlers with tongues like swords, possibly of the miniature swizzle stick variety. The question must be posed: how many of these kids are regular GLP'ers/moderators? AC might really stand for aggressive children. Congrats on the pin, although that is another weapon of choice for some of these diaper dandies! The dreamer and the dream One awakens inside the other Rediscovering universal truths |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 941929 United States 05/12/2010 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | actually, agressive bullying behaviour starts before age 2 and is due to a number of factors, the final one being the parents refusal to set appropriate limits, so the kid simply learns that it is an okay available behaviour and goes on doing it. |