For those of you who are ready to get off this planet, here's your chance:

If he took the course, he's already called himself an intern.

So again I'm asked to believe the word of MAN?
The intepretation of a human with alien voices in his head?
Or should I just trust my own instinct (as guided), but what if that goes wrong and I walk into Candace's beam not Jonur's?

Last Edited by Munchaab on 03/05/2010 04:19 PM

Ok, now I must apologize: For my ride has arrived, and I must leave this thread........see you all later!

And thank you all so much, for a most stimulating conversation!

From: [email protected] (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: * Mass Abduction Event [request]
Date: 8 Jul 93 19:52:13 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

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Message #2941 "UFO" (Read: 3)
Date: 07 Mar 93 12:48:00
From: Vince Johnson
To: All
Subj: Houston Mass Abduction

The following file is courtesy of HUFON Report, the newsletter of the
Houston UFO Network. For more information call (713) 850-1352.

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(See related graphic file HUFONABD.GIF)

The Mass Abduction Event of December 8, 1992
by Dale Musser

Note: In the following report, the term "alien(s)" is used generically
to denote the abducting entities, and does not presuppose an
extraterrestrial origin.

In late summer of 1992, Derrel Sims, chief abductions investigator for
HUFON (Houston UFO Network) implemented a plan to establish
communications with alien abductors. This was to be accomplished by
means of hypnotic suggestions implanted in the subconscious minds of
several subjects with multiple abduction histories. The intent being,
if any of these subjects were abducted again, the hypnotic
suggestions would allow the individuals to gather data and/or
establish more positive contact with the aliens.

In November of 1992, subject DS92007PH was abducted. The subject
maintained conscious memory for a fair amount of time into the
abduction before the aliens were able to "zap" the subject (place the
subject in a mental state where they no longer have conscious
memories of the event). At the beginning of the abduction, the
subject was able to communicate with the aliens, although they did
not appear to be terribly inclined to communicate or reveal much
information. As the aliens were completing their preparations for
their examination, the subject felt herself losing mental control.
The aliens began to reinforce their efforts to "zap" her. In one
last effort to maintain consciousness and communication as long as
possible she blurted out "We know what your doing... we know
about..." (subject still under investigation). This statement
seemed to evoke a reaction on the part of the aliens and appears to
have predicated the events that follow.

Starting December 8, 1992, just prior to the HUFON meeting "Alien
Abductions: Working with Abductees," several of the subjects on the
panel were reabducted. These abductions were not realized at the
time, but over the next few days, many of the abductees began
suffering PAS (Post Abduction Syndrome). At this time the abductees
were not in communication with each other.

Subject DS92002DM reported that he had experienced a dream or
possible flashback of an earlier abduction When he began having PAS
and other physical manifestations that accompanied his earlier
abductions, it became obvious to him that an abduction had taken
place.

Subjects DM92003JA, DS92034LC & DS92017RP also reported dreams with
possible abduction signs. In addition a number of the abductees
reported having nose bleeds and/or sinus pains.

On Thursday, December 10th, at the monthly HUFON meeting, a number
of the abductees were questioned by the audience about their
experiences. Although most of the abductees were very uncomfortable
and felt that they "...shouldn't be talking about (their) abductions,"
the meeting went quite well.

On Friday morning, December 11, many of the abductees (most of whom
were on the panel the night before), awoke to find they had nose
bleeds during the night. Almost all had sinus pains and within a
day or two almost all had head colds and flu like symptoms.

Subject DS92009LT awoke on the 11th with an irritation in one eye.
While rubbing her eye, a small object (about the size of a mustard
seed) came out of her eye. The subject called Derrel Sims and
turned the object over to him.

This object has been photographed and is currently undergoing
analysis. The object appears to be made out of a flesh-colored
plastic. It is somewhat egg-shaped (with the narrow end open) and
is hollow inside.

On the same day, subject DS92002DM awoke to discover he had a nose
bleed (the first in over 20 years). He also called Derrel Sims to make
immediate arrangements for a hypnosis session. On Sunday, December
20, 1992, DS92002DM was regressed hypnotically to his latest
encounter with aliens.

The event occurred the night of December 10, the night of the HUFON
meeting. Some time after the subject went to sleep for the night, he
was awakened by aliens in his bedroom who, in a very quick
procedure, removed a nasal implant from the subject and immediately
left (later under hypnosis a number of other abductees reported
similar events). Mr. Sims then regressed the subject to the next
earliest abduction (December 8).

On December 8, subject DS92002DM awoke and observed a bright flash
of light (there was no sound of thunder following). The subject rolled
over and noticed a small gray alien "wearing a harness/utility
belt." The subject was instructed to follow the alien outside,
where a blue/white light was shining on a spot on the ground. The
subject was instructed to stand in the light, and an instant later,
found himself in a large circular room (about the size of a high
school gymnasium).

The subject was instructed to disrobe and led out of the room and
through a series of corridors and passageways. Part of the time they
walked but mostly they were transported by a means unknown by the
subject (floated or on a conveyor).

Eventually, they arrived at a small room where several other aliens
were present. A quick physical examination was given and then a
human- appearing individual entered the room (the subject in prior
abductions had never encountered a human). The human asked several
questions as to how/why the abductee knew he had been abducted
before. The subject was also asked how abductees knew/found out
about other abductees and why were they meeting together.

A model of the human brain was shown to the subject and he was asked
to indicate where the "subconscious mind was located." When the
subject was unable to indicate a location, he received a mental image
of another abductee (DS92007PH) in a state of suspended animation
and had the impression she was being asked the same questions. The
human then left the room and the subject was moved to another room.

This room appeared to be some type of meeting or conference room. It
also was round, but the lighting and the furnishings were quite
different. A number of different alien life forms entered the room,
the last being the one with human appearance. The small grey
aliens left the room but two of the taller brown aliens stayed.
(The description of the other life forms is being withheld pending
further investigation).

The subject was again questioned as to the nature of the subconscious
mind and to his knowledge of his abductions and other abductees.
After each question the subject received images of other abductees.
He could see them in a room together. They were all nude and seemed
to be unaware of the presence of each other. Each seemed to be in a
halucinative state and behaved as if acting out a part.

He sensed that the other abductees were being "accessed" by the
aliens by some means and were being asked many of the same questions
as himself. The subject also sensed DS92007PH, who was in a
different location from himself and from the other abductees. He
could "feel" the aliens trying to "access" her mind to retrieve
information. A debate seemed to be taking place among the aliens as
to whether the "experiment/project" should be allowed to continue or
if it had been compromised by the recent events (abductees knowing
of their abductions and meeting together).

Accusations were made about "improper procedures being followed by
the "Grays" and "Browns." At one point, when DS92002DM "sensed/saw"
the other abductees as they were being accessed by the aliens, he
had the thought that the other abductees "don't know there are
others there."

This thought caught the attention of the human who seemed surprised
that the subject was picking up on their activities. Immediately, two
"Grays" entered the room and took hold of the subject's hands and he
was unable to "pick up anything further of the alien thoughts or
questioning."

At this point another of Derrel Sims' hypnotic suggestions activated
itself with the subject with interesting results which we are unable
to report at this time as further investigation and experimentation
are continuing.

One of the more interesting aspects of this case, and one which is
being looked into further, pertains to a question asked of subject
DS92002DM by the aliens. At one point he was asked what he knew
about a government project called "Project Prometheus." Although
the subject had no knowledge of such a project, we are researching
the matter.

As the meeting seemed to be ending, the human asked the subject what
he "would like to do," to which the subject responded that he would
like to go with them (a suggestion even he finds bizarre). The
subject was told that this was "impossible" as he was "contaminated"
(the subject did not feel this implied physically).

The human then took him into a side room where he was shown a
"strange sort of chart or diagram" which he did not understand and was
unlike any he'd ever seen before. He then was led by the two
"Browns" through several other rooms to another examination
room/laboratory where a nasal implant was placed in his nostril (the
one later removed). The subject was then given his pajamas, told to
dress, and returned to his home and bed.

Subjects DS92009LT and DM92003JA were also hypnotized and reported
being abducted on December 8, and being in a room with others.

Subject DS92034LC had conscious memories of being in the room on
that night.

All three of these subjects have independently described the room, its
appearance, and individuals in the room. All of the subjects'
descriptions are similar and details of the room match--including
several unique aspects unheard of in other cases.

It is interesting to note that all of the abductees in the "group room
experiences" perceived events differently although parallel. One
believed she had died and was with her dead brother (who had strange
eyes). One thought she was with God whose face she couldn't see
because of a fog that only allowed her to see his shape. All of the
individuals reported themselves and others in the room as being nude.

One abductee who felt hungry was told they would be fed was handed
silverware as though they were about to be served food. When she
was told to look at the silverware under hypnosis, it was not
silverware at all but some strange objects she could not identify.

Each of the abductees in the "group room experience" seemed to be in
a drugged or hallucinative state. This condition seemed to alleviate
when they were taken to another room for examinations and nasal and
ocular implants.

Other abductees also have reported supporting events and experiences.
The total number of abductees involved in the event is not known for
sure.

Great care was taken in the early stages of the investigation to
ensure that subjects were unaware of the others' events. It was only
after hypnosis, with similar descriptions of events and locations by
five different individuals (each unaware of any other abductee
reporting anything) that information concerning the event was
released. Numerous descriptions and minute details have been
deliberately left out of this report, as investigations are still
ongoing.

The significance of this event cannot be overlooked. It would appear
that the implants were deliberately placed in the abductees before the
HUFON meeting and removed the day after. Whether the aliens knew
about the meeting or had simply implanted the abductees with the
intent of monitoring a gathering of abductees is unknown. However,
for the first time within the history of the abduction phenomenon,
the abductees seem to have captured the attention of the abductors.

Although we do not know the outcome of these events we hope that it
may lead to a breakthrough in communication, improvement in
relationship with the aliens, and an end to abductions and
experimentation on unwilling subjects.

For more information on HUFON abduction research, contact Derrel
Sims at (713) 353-1550, or Patrice Eldrige at (713) 353-3980.

End of File
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* Origin: ParaNet - Leading UFO Research Network 303-429-2713 DATA
(1:104/422.0)

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Titan|um Knight
Mail: [email protected]
The Atomic Cafe--Where neutrons meet atoms and split.


From: [email protected] (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: * Mass Abduction Update
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 8 Jul 93 19:57:01 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

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From: [email protected] (Vince Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.abduct
Subject: Mass Abduction Update
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 2 May 93 21:17:00 GMT
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The following file is courtesy of HUFON REPORT,
the newsletter of the Houston UFO Network.
For more information, call (713) 850-1352.
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Houston Mass Abduction Update
by Dale Musser

Since issuing the report on the December 8, 1992, Houston mass
abductions, more things have come to light. The reports were barely
printed when DS92002DM received a phone call from an individual who
we'll call Bill (not his real name). This individual had been with
DS92002DM on the abduction that caused DS92002DM to become aware of
his abductions (a missing time event). Three years had passed before
he found out about the event and Bill had moved away with out leaving
a forwarding address shortly after the abduction. DS92002DM was
surprised by the call, Bill said he had been thinking about DS92002DM
and the trip they had taken. He related the events of the trip and
mentioned the "strange blue light" seen by the subjects just before
the abduction took place. DS92002DM asked the subject what was the
next event he could remember and the subject responded with an event
three hours later. When DS92002DM asked Bill if he remembered
anything at all of the road between the point where they saw the blue
light and the location hundreds of miles later, Bill began to laugh
nervously. When DS92002DM started to relate events as revealed
during his hypnosis session, Bill became hysterical and did not want
to discuss the event further. Bill also related that he had been
feeling depressed and lethargic "...since Christmas."

On March 15, 1993, DS92002DM met with subject DS92021SM whom he
had not seen in several months. DS92021SM currently lives in the
western part of the state and only comes to Houston rarely. He is
also the individual who witnessed DS92002DM's abduction in June of
1992 and saw the aliens taking him away. It is because of this and
his having been processed earlier concerning the June event that the
subject has a case number (video tapes on file with investigators).
DS92021SM was unaware of eventsconcerning the mass abduction, (he is
not a member of HUFON or any UFO organization and has had little
interest in the subject prior to recent events). DS92021SM related
to DS92002DM and to two investigators that he believed he had seen a
alien in his room "...early to mid-December, not sure of date," and
that after that he suffered symptoms similar to those he had in June
after DS92002DM's abduction (Post Abduction Syndrome). The subject
related that he also discovered several needle marks "... in a line
above his navel" about the same time.

Subject DS92007PH, who was in the December abduction, has also
reported having needle marks both prior to and after the December 8th
abductions.

Subject DS92003JA, who was involved in the December abduction
visited her sister who lives in a neighboring state. Both she and her
sister have reported being abducted as children. According to
DS92003JA her sister has made statements that would indicate that she
was abducted on or about the time of the December 8th event.

What does this all mean? Based on the statements of the
abductees in the December 8th event we know the aliens were concerned
about how abductees knew/found out about their abductions. There
were indications that the aliens were investigating their own
procedures for flaws and indications were made that they were
reviewing their procedures. If this is true, individuals present
during the abductions of the subjects in the December 8th event may
have also been abducted for questioning. This may have occurred on
December 8th, or shortly thereafter. We do know that there are
several persons reported by subjects in the December 8th event that
have not been identified. We still have several subjects who may
have been associated with the December 8th event that have not been
processed. Bill's call may have been prompted by memories
stimulated when he may have also been picked up and questioned in
December. Similar events may be true also for DS92021SM and
DS92003JAs' sister. It has become obvious that the investigations of
the December 8th event may have only begun.

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Project Prometheus: Subtle Hint or Threat to the Aliens?

Since learning the details of the mass abduction of December 8, 1992,
we have been seeking any information that could lead us to further
details concerning the nature of a "Project Prometheus." During the
mass abduction, at least two of the abductees were asked by the
abducting entities what they knew about "Project Prometheus." At
that time, none of us, abductees or investigators, had ever heard of
it.

Shortly before the publication of "The Abduction Event of December 8,
1992" (released in March, 1993), we learned that a "Project
Prometheus" had been proposed to the U.S. Government some time in the
past. No date was indicated when this proposal was made, who chaired
the proposal or the branch of the government it was related to. The
sketchy details available about this project concerned acquiring
advanced technology (from alien sources?) by any means possible.
Though the term "alien" was not used in the description, indications
were clearly made with references to advanced flight capabilities of
UFOs.

Armed with this tidbit of information we falsely assumed more would
follow in short order. It did not. Then on March 15, 1993, a book
was found in storage at the Houston Public Library titled The
Prometheus Project. The book was written in 1968 by Gerald
Feinberg, Ph.D. Although the book was in storage (not out on the
shelves) it was still available to be checked out.

Well, it wasn't what we thought. Not that the book doesn't relate to
things pertaining to possible alien interests, it does. It's just that
we expected something more covert. Project Prometheus, as put forth
by Dr.Feinberg, is a project proposed by a group of scientists to
determine long range goals for the human race. One of these long
range goals would be the "...spread of the human race beyond the
confines of earth to other stellar systems, either for exploration
or for eventual inhabitation of them." Other goals include changing
our own environment, bioengineering, life extension, and greater
insight as to the nature of things.

Then several weeks later in a discussion with a retired navy officer,
I inquired if he had ever heard of a Project Prometheus. He replied
that he had and related that in the early 1970s he was a navy
commander working in the Pentagon on a project for the early warning
system. Much of this equipment was installed in Alaska and was used
to detect a early aerial attack from the former Soviet Union. The
portion he was involved with was a submarine detection system
installed between England and Iceland to monitor marine traffic
coming out of the Norwegian Sea. While working on this project, he
learned that certain types of alerts were to be reported to Project
Prometheus. He inquired of his commanding officer as to what Project
Prometheus was and was informed "It's a skunk works. I wouldn't ask
about it anymore if I were you." (A "skunk works" is an insider's
term for a secret project).

We have also received information that there exists in a book titled
Teller's War a reference to a Project Prometheus. According to this
book, Project Prometheus was associated with the Star Wars program
and was developing a weapon that fired nuclear projectiles to shoot
down and/or cripple satellites or space craft. One can see how the
aliens would be interested in such a project.

Which of the two Projects Prometheus are the aliens interested in?
One government project to obtain alien technology by hook or by
crook, or one set forth by scientists to advance the human race?
Subject DS92002DM from the December mass abduction leans toward a
government project, while information retrieved from DS92007PH leans
toward one that is designed to advance the human race. Neither were
aware of either project before the December event. DS92007PH's
description of Project Prometheus is very similar to that in Dr.
Feinberg's book, however DS92007PH thought the project was alien
initiated. DS92002DM felt the implication was clear in his
communication that the project was a government operation.

In either case, one can easilysee why the aliens would be interested.
In the meantime we are left with more questions. Which project were
they referring to -- Dr. Feinberg's; the Government's; or both?
Were they trying to tell us something by asking the question? Or
were they throwing us a curve to lead us off on a wild goose chase?
Certainly we will be digging into this unusual situation further.

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Dale Musser, CHT, is the senior abductions investigator of the Houston
UFO Network's Abduction Committee.

End of File
--
Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [email protected]

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Mail: [email protected]
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Can I bring my Babel Fish?

Im making my own space so take your rules and shove it up your chocolate star, ill smoke what I want, have sex with whatever I deem beautiful, and have enough stem cells to fix all that I break so I can do it again :)

Im a holy rollin spaceship owner!

Mav

Ah the trusty wall of text method

You might be interested to know, that Gene Roddenberry(the creator of "Star Trek"), was in fact; in constant communication with the Hosts! :)

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 03/08/2010 05:00 PM

Not at all: You are asked to consider the information that is being presented......and NOT just believe(or deny) because of some warm and fuzzy feeling that you might get!


If you are asking: How can I know who to trust? Then let me recommend that you go back to the original information that was first presented!

For example, in the Phoenix Journals, Hatonn always spoke out against NESARA(for He said they were a scam, designed by the elite to say "Oh but look how hard we tried!").......well, Candace supported NESARA, and now calls it by some other nonsense name....GESARA I think!

Also, Candace claimed that the Ekkers website had gone down.......but when I pointed out to her the actual site, NOT her old information, she was caught in her lie......For if she was really receiving from the REAL Hatonn(Heavenly Father), she would have known that.......Because He would have known that......but she didn't!

And thirdly: Hatonn's real receiver (Jonur) is making the movie Sipapu Odyssey, which was always in the original Phoenix Journals plans........but not in Candace's! :(

So 'Munchaab', on any baseball field that i know of, I would say to Candace: THREE STRIKES AND YOUR OUT!

Sorry 'Mavendex', but I'm pretty sure that this attitude of yours is what landed you here in the first place! :(

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 03/08/2010 04:59 PM

Sorry AC, but aliens DON'T abduct people......However, impostors on this planet, pretending to be "aliens" do! :(

You have NOTHING to fear from the COSMOS! :)

And what do I do if I am on the other side of the globe??

May I be picked too?

Yes, each is accounted for......:)

LOL, I will make a prediction
1. All of this will not come to pass.
2. I will be able to leave orbit before you.
3. Attitude or not scruffin people along with nonsense is not only reckless and abusive to the weak willed and minded but has a ill intent and preys upon such individuals to believe in a bunch of hooyie.

and my last comment
Spend more time trying to actually save these people instead of stringing them along on a bunch of douchebaggery and you will get farther.

Mav

While it's true 'the future is NOT written in stone', and anything can happen between now and then..........still, I wouldn't count this event out if I were you 'Mav'!


LOL......so in your mind, this is some sort of competition then?.......lol


You see 'Mav', that is probably the main difference between you and I then: For I see the people on this board as being, on the most part, very intelligent.......and NOT "weak minded" at all, as you have projected! :(


Once Again: I/we do NOT save anyone: Either you will learn to save yourselves, or you won't get saved!

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 03/10/2010 12:13 PM

I was just going to say for those that can't go to an location. There are those whom will fetch them. :)

Yes, thank you for that input!

If you have any inside information, please feel free to share it..........I Did!

Otherwise, to put up a BS flag, just because of a feeling, as to what actually happened to those people; comes across as being a bit clueless, on your part! :(

what about the altars you left last time i found.this is where to meet .
[link to www.youtube.com]

where is the cyanide? oh yes ,the koolaid.i forgot.

I don't know why the maker of this video chooses to recognize "insect beings" within the pictographs......but isn't the Indian Kachina doll a reflection of this ideology?

Your thinking of a different time......and a different place! :(

I like this spaceship

Me too! I've had many a great lesson here.....but it's time for us to move on! Graduation Time....:)

My ride is here now, and I have to leave....sorry! peace

Poster is an idiot. god doesnt care if you masturbate or smoke pot, so long as you serve him and are good.

Maybe then is something like heaven's gate?