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woolly mammoths resurfacing all over Russia! Permafrost thawing, first time in millennia

 
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woolly mammoths resurfacing all over Russia! Permafrost thawing, first time in millennia
this is actually pretty cool I think.I would love to have something carved out of the ivory of a woolly mammoth tusk !

Plus, it's actually legal to buy and sell the ivory from a woolly mammoth

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Reporting from Moscow - The beasts had long lain extinct and forgotten, embedded deep in the frozen turf, bodies swaddled in Earth's layers for thousands of years before Christ.

Now, the Russian permafrost is offering up the bones and tusks of the woolly mammoths that once lumbered over the tundra. They are shaped into picture frames, chess sets, pendants. They are gathered and piled, carved and whittled, bought and sold on the Internet.

The once-obscure scientists who specialize in the wastelands of Siberia have opened lucrative sidelines as bone hunters, spending the summer months trawling the northern river banks and working networks of locals to gather stockpiles of bones. They speak of their work proudly, and a little mystically.

"You need to have luck to find bones," said Fyodor Romanenko, a geologist at Moscow State University. "I don't look for bones. I find them. They find me.

"Every find gives you a huge joy," he said. "It's a gift from nature, from the Arctic, from fate."

The mammoth finds have been growing steadily over the last three decades as Russia's vast sea of permafrost slowly thaws.

Russian scientists disagree over whether global warming is responsible. Some say yes, others are skeptical. But nobody argues that the permafrost is dwindling -- and they're glad to have the bones and tusks, especially when the increased yields coincide with bans on elephant ivory.

Hand-to-mouth reindeer herders on Russia's desolate tundra have coexisted with the traces of mammoths for generations. Romanenko claims that there are cases of long-frozen mammoth meat being thawed and cooked, or fed to the dogs.

Now entire villages are surviving on the trade in mammoth bones. And a new verb has entered the vernacular: mamontit, or "to mammoth" -- meaning, to go out in search of bones.

"People used to just come across bones and throw them aside or take them to the garbage, because they were not interested in them," said Gennady Tatarinov, who oversees a reindeer farm in Anyuisk, a frigid village 4,000 miles northeast of Moscow.

"But now there's a big demand," Tatarinov said. "And of course there's a lot of competition, and people who make it their main trade."
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Re: woolly mammoths resurfacing all over Russia! Permafrost thawing, first time in millennia
by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
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I want me a woolly mammoth steak!! hmmmm
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
 Quoting: bobnightman

+100000000000000000000000000
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Re: woolly mammoths resurfacing all over Russia! Permafrost thawing, first time in millennia
by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"
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a pole shift is coming



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by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"




a pole shift is coming



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Right it is Climate Change
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
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possibly Al Gore's operatives are running around Siberia with blowtorches thawing out the permafrost and unearthing woolly mammoth skeletons for unsuspecting villagers to find.

Al Gore you bastard!
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by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"
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aerosols
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I want me a woolly mammoth steak!! hmmmm
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actually I do too.Wonder how I can get some?

grilled Mammoth cheeseburgers with extra onions and a big deal pickle

Yummy
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
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Global warming is very real, but blaming the 3% change caused by human activity is dishonest.
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh


Global warming is very real, but blaming the 3% change caused by human activity is dishonest.
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT

Right...It is not caused by Humans
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I just did a search on Ebay. Just the bone fragments, not husks, are selling for as much as $580.

[link to cgi.ebay.com]
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh


possibly Al Gore's operatives are running around Siberia with blowtorches thawing out the permafrost and unearthing woolly mammoth skeletons for unsuspecting villagers to find.

Al Gore you bastard!
 Quoting: lapis lazuli 907708



LOL - Poor Al Gore, tryin to be a good Samaritan and spreading the word about climate change against the Big Oil industrial machine, and now somehow people extended that to assume he is responsible for everything to do with global warming.

Really, Gore is just an environmental activist - global warming ideas existed before him, it will exist after him, and is totally independent of him lol

Anyway back on subject - mammoth bones - very interesting in the possibilities it opens for biologists and such to study them more in depth, and its nice that the tribes living there have a new means of subsidizing their existence, since their homeland is changing drastically right under their feet.

The downside is that all that permafrost melting away is going to release even more methane and related gases that have been locked away for millenia.. and that is not going to turn out well for life on earth.. not very well at all
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I just did a search on Ebay. Just the bone fragments, not husks, are selling for as much as $580.

[link to cgi.ebay.com]
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cool, thank you. Sounds like you could make a little bit of money hunting those things
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
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You are an idiot - Siberia hardly encompasses the whole globe
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Re: woolly mammoths resurfacing all over Russia! Permafrost thawing, first time in millennia
by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907708

Yea, its actually an increase in the dynamic swing of the climate, neither Global Warming nor Global Cooling, simply a wider range of dynamics. But then "Dynamics" is a science far beyond most people.

With all this newly discovered Freeze Dried Mammoth showing up, it will not be too long before enough Mammoth DNA is gathered to clone them. Just think of Mammoth Ranching in the place of Cattle ranching.
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I just did a search on Ebay. Just the bone fragments, not husks, are selling for as much as $580.

[link to cgi.ebay.com]


cool, thank you. Sounds like you could make a little bit of money hunting those things
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What does a mammoth "husk" look like?
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by the way, it's obvious to anybody with two eyes that certain places on the earth are definitely warming. However! Other places are actually getting colder. So it's not that simple to say "global warming" or "global cooling"




a pole shift is coming



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+1
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manny? diego? sid?
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Good thing Global Warming isn't real...Huh
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Except nobody said it wasn't real, they just said humans are not causing it.
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Really, Gore is just an environmental activist -

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Oh vomit!
Al Gore is a gold digging opportunist. He doesn't give a $%#@ about the environment.

Have you seen his house? Yeah, all my activist friends live in houses JUST like that. NOT!!

Every activist I know HATES Al Gore.
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Wow... can you believe that it USED to be warmer and we have been used to a cold period?

Damn, I'll bet those mammoths were pissed when it got cold!

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Except nobody said it wasn't real, they just said humans are not causing it.
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Umm, actually LOTS of scientists say it is NOT real.

Have you bothered to look at the data? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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Global warming is very real, but blaming the 3% change caused by human activity is dishonest.
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT

and believing that 3% will not have profound effect on the delicate balance of nature is ignorant.


(not that the human effect is only 3%; as you and many of the pseudo-science deniers claim).
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Methane presents a very real threat!

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

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I want me a woolly mammoth steak!! hmmmm


actually I do too.Wonder how I can get some?

grilled Mammoth cheeseburgers with extra onions and a big deal pickle

Yummy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 907708



Make mine a Hamburger, onions, ketchup, lettuce and crisp bacon.
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I want a mammoth tusk toothpick! iwish
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I wonder is the same thing is happening in Alaska.
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just wait till they find buildings under the ice, then things will really start getting exciting...

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