Martin Luther thought the ´beast 666´ would be a pope called Benedict | |
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Biblical scholar 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let us assume that is the case. To provide support, we need more than the fact (however amazing) that the pope´s new name in Greek has the number value 666. Does anyone see in Revelation chapter 13 any detail that could possibly be correlated with former Cardinal Ratzinger? What about his having "two horns like a lamb, and speaking "as a dragon"? Make any sense of that? |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Martin Luther?!?!? This is the same guy who threw out books of the bible that were in the Septuagint a century or two prior to Christ existence! The protestant bible was written by Martin Luther...not the Apostles. Your faith is in Martin Luther or the Church (1 tim 3;15) built on Peter? (Mat 16:18-19) |
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paranoid eyes 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | heres some LUTHER WAS AN ANTI-SEMITE Here are some quite shocking quotes from Luther which show that he was a rabid anti-Semite: "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves" "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them." "The blind Jews are truly stupid fools" "Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people." "eject them forever from this country" "they are nothing but thieves and robbers" "What then shall we do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?" "Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews" "They are the real liars and bloodhounds" "We are at fault for not slaying them." "I shall give you my sincere advice: first to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them." "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed." "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews." "Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them" "If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs" "If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the river Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words `I baptize thee in the name of Abraham´." Martin Luther was not a Christian man, but, instead, he was a brutal man who persecuted the Jews unmercifully. The word of God calls Martin Luther a liar: 1John 4:20- If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? interestiung quotes from martin luther , man of god |
Clio 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Biblical Scholar - I believe that this is more than coincidence. the other timepieces on the world stage indicate the end is imminent. The Gog/Magog alliance lacks only a single player, and that player is moving ever closer to entering an agreement with the other four. The indicators and enablers to allow economic sanctions at the individual level at the point of sale are in place in the US and around most of the globe in all places except the 3rd world nations. All that is now required is the triggering event to force a "mark" of any kind that can also be used to identify those against whom economic sanctions will be enforced. Clio |
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Bible scholar 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, of course previous Benedicts were not the beast. The issue I raise is whether this one is the one referred to by St John the Divine, especially in view of St Malachy´s prediction. I don´t know. I would like to know what other evidence makes some people here so sure. |
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Trac 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dear Biblical Scholar: Where in John´s writing does he use Arabic numerals 666? You´re reading the King James translation, are you not? I believe if you read the original writing he uses the character of 6 from three different languages, VI, S and A or more correctly "VISA", the mark of the Beast, meaning the Beast is global usury and the world banking system which some consider satanic and controlling of all social energies. He explicitly stated that one could not buy or sell without this mark. How much more obvious could it be? |
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mbk 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You ignore the whole point of Jesus dying for you. To you it´s just a game of numbers, Kabbalism. You have trashed Christianity for occultism. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What about his having "two horns like a lamb, and speaking "as a dragon"? Make any sense of that? Hmm; speaking "as a dragon"... The Latin and Latin based languages have an outstanding "S", which has the most words in Diction and is the largest in the Encyclopedia set. So Says SerpentSssss! and like a lamb with horns... A Great American Bison ("Buffalo")!!! Or maybe its literally "extentions" as protrusions -so the last 2 states Northward and Westward Alaska and Hawaii! |
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avatar too nli 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | indeed, was the original written in greek?... or was it hebrew or aramaic or somesuch?... i was wondering the same thing... interestingly, ´benedict´ = 62 in the ´alvin fernald gematria´ he looks fairly harmless to me... maybe he´s a secret agent cyborg mutant reptilian peter pan type of being... who knows? i mean, what IS in the catacombs of the vatican? woo woo |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "You have trashed Christianity for occultism" occultism: "The doctrine or study of the supernatural, and practices purporting to achieve communication with things hidden and mysterious." Wasn´t ´occultism´ practiced way before Christianity? In this day, is there anything wrong with wanting to ´achieve communication with things hidden and mysterious? Aren´t the real answers to our existence ´hidden´ from us? and ´mysterious´ to us? |
Biblical scholar 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TRac 514: "Where in John´s writing does he use Arabic numerals 666? You´re reading the King James translation, are you not?" Yes, I use that translation. John does not use explicitly the Arabic numerals. He says:" Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred three score and six" (Rev. 13:18). This is the number 666. The fact that John does not write the number in its Arabic form is irrelvant. The original Greek text expresses this number as its translated text. It does NOT express it as three characters. So your theory is plain wrong. Besides, the ´mark´ of the Beast is not the same thing as his number. You confuse the two, and John does not say what the mark looks like. If he had meant the gematraic number of the name of the Beast, he would surely have said so. Your interpretation is a non-starter - just one of many that people have offered. None of them convince me. If this prophecy is true, the symbol has yet to appear, as far as I am concerned. |
Hebrew scholar 12/08/2005 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | avatar too nli: "indeed, was the original written in greek?... or was it hebrew or aramaic or somesuch?... i was wondering the same thing..." As far as uncovering the identity of the Beast is concerned, it does not make any difference in what language the text of Revelation was originally written. Just think for a minute. What matters is what was the native language of John the Divine. Scholars agree that he was Greek, possibly also Jewish. If he had heard the name of the Beast in a prophetic vision, he would have phonetically spelt the sound in his own language (Greek) and then encrypted the name with gematria, as was the custom then amongst learned and pious people. As the name is not spelt out, only its gematraic value, it does not matter whether John wrote the text of Revelation in Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. There are many reference works that list the gematraic values of Hebrew and Greek letters. The list of numbers I gave is the standard one. One other thing: The fact that I cited Wynn Westcott - a recognised authority in the 19th century on the religious aspect of numbers - does not have the ludricrous implication that I believe in the Occult simply because he uses the word "occult" in its proper sense of meaning "hidden"! |