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Out of Body Experiences (OBEs)

 
avatar too nli
04/21/2005 02:26 AM
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idol had mentioned in passing on another thread that she had never heard of a controlled obe

i´ve had a couple of obes

once in a dream i was becoming possessed and was leaving my body while crying for help to some interesting characters on the ground...

high school was weird...

recently, in a dream i fell into a bottomless pit but it became boring so somehow i landed and knew i was out of my body... then i was whisked into a hospital... i started feeling up the nurses and they were loving it and talking about ghosts who feel women up and how much they love that...

then i turned and was in an empty space and there was this character who i felt didn´t wish me any good... so i returned to my body and woke up... not sure how much of that was controlled but giving that affection and being appreciated for it in that one scene was certainly a good experience...

so can anyone claim a controlled obe?

earth to ekankar...

woo woo
StarGuy
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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sounds like you were about fifty percent lucid but not out of body.......
Parapsychologist
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Ignoramuses like this girl Idol, who deceive other ignoramuses into thinking that they know what they are talking about but who really hide the fact they never do any research about the topic they comment upon, should study the journals of parapsychology. Some of them contain some reports of OBEs studied under controlled conditions, in which the subject deliberately left his body.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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I´ve had one, where I feel asleep and started to leave my body, i could look around the room and see my roommate playing on the computer, and then I snored and then I woke up... done it a couple of times.. really wierd.
I Eat Disorders
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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a.k.a Astral Projection.

pretty interesting stuff.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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trans_sign Ego > Mind = Ignoramuses
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Yes, Robert Monroe had them (controlled/conscious OBEs) for more than 30 years. Check out his books. Lopsang Rampa was another. He too wrote many books. Bruce Moen is another who also has a website.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Claim: There are controlled OBEs

Status: True

There are controlled OBEs but ones where you wake up from sleep already out of body are much more common. the best author for learning how to have OBEs is Ophiel.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Yes there are controlled OBE´s. I had one many years ago and it freaked me out totally. After my dad died, I was pretty distraught and lying in bed half asleep. All of a sudden I felt myself lifting away from my body. It scared me so bad it was all I could do to try to get back into my body. I remember trying to speak out but couldn´t as I tried to get back. Still freaks me out to this day. So I´d have to say that yes, I had some kind of control over it. Idol doesn´t know what the hell she´s talking about.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Going OBE is quite natural. When one overcomes the initial shock and the fear of body loss, the transition between the two states of awareness becomes easy to manage. Remaining Lucid (awake) while in this state is a very interesting experience in itself. You learn things which would otherwise be impossible to experience in normal waking awareness. The skins of time--- exploring this other state of awareness leads to a more comprehensive understanding of just how much more lies just beyond physical perceptions alone.

The first question one might ask is how do you see when your physical eyes are closed? You look over to your bed. There you are sound asleep and yet there you are looking at your sleeping self. You are also experiencing bi-location. You specifically are at two places at once. If you can remain coherent enough look at the clock. Try doing things that help you to remember what you are experiencing. There is a specific quality to holding your awareness just so... or you snap back into the body and often with a bang. It is that edge you learn to hold say like a yoga posture. Then you can prolong the experience and increase what you can achieve in such a state of awareness.

By taking such Spirit Walks you will gain a greater sense of awareness of your own hidden potentials. We are much more then DNA and genes alone allow for as physical constructs of biological mass. The body is heavy... the spirit swift. The body is born of time and in time it remains. The unbound spirit goes where it is called. Clipped of our spiritual wings the body is not unlike a tar pit. Getting in is real easy---getting out requires some earnest effort. Become the Will. That is the key to control. Repeat as needed for success.
aznalove
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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I tried to leave but I can´t lift out I´m jealous
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Yes, I stand that post of mine. Word has it among the spiritist community here in Brazil that a handful of psychics are indeed able to volitionally leave the body, but not the majority of people. In these cases the phenomenum takes place unconsciously, like dreams.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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As a matter of fact your spirit remains connected to the pineal gland that is one of the several nervous plexuses which the spirit connects to, also known as chakras by the esoterics. So, OBEs are not full disconnections, otherwise the body would die.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Sometimes neural stimuli, such as loud noise, reaches the pineal gland and then you (spirit) rushes back to body. This is often perceived as a falling sensation followed by a sudden awakening.
Malachi
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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OBEs are very dangerous unless initiated by God, the maker of your spirit. To have an OBE on your own initiative is to allow your spirit to leave your body unprotected from the attacks of demonic forces. Only when your spirit is reborn of the Holy Spirit can you truly be free. Turn to Christ before it´s too late.
alf neighbor
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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more than had experience a few where i was kind ralfed out of bubbles
that is my body disolved and floated about
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"To have an OBE on your own initiative is to allow your spirit to leave your body unprotected from the attacks of demonic forces."

I beg to disagree. No one has ever reported a disconnection (with a consequent body death) caused by "demonic forces", so I believe that is some dogma.
Malachi
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Idol, you said:

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No one has ever reported a disconnection (with a consequent body death) caused by "demonic forces", so I believe that is some dogma.
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Your statement is based on the assumption that an observer can see deeply enough into the spiritual realm at the time of death of a person experiencing an OBE to make an accurate assessment. What if no one living is capable of seeing such things? And even if someone did report something, why would you believe them? After all, Jesus shared his account of rising from the dead, and what kind of afterlife is to be expected, but, judging by your posts, you do not believe Him at all.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"Your statement is based on the assumption that an observer can see deeply enough into the spiritual realm at the time of death of a person experiencing an OBE to make an accurate assessment."

Wrong. Death is detected by the end of brain activity.

"And even if someone did report something, why would you believe them?"

Why would I believe you?

"After all, Jesus shared his account of rising from the dead, and what kind of afterlife is to be expected, but, judging by your posts, you do not believe Him at all."

I am a christian and the biblical text is not to be taken denotatively.
Malachi
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Idol said:

"Wrong. Death is detected by the end of brain activity."

How can that be substantiated? Physical death sure, but this is about the spiritual realm. The physical realm is subject to the spirtual realm, e.g. supernatural has dominion over the natural. Indeed, that is the hope of all Christians, to be raised from the "dead" by a spiritual God.

"Why would I believe you?"

Fair enough. Don´t believe me, believe Jesus. He is the First and the Last after all.

"I am a christian and the biblical is not to be taken denotatively."

If you are a Christian, that means you follow and obey Christ. If you follow Christ, and accept his mastery over you then everything is fine.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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wow, this is the first time in my entire life I find myself agreeing with idol. I don´t know whether that´s a good or bad thing, but it certainly is a weird occurance, to be sure.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"How can that be substantiated? Physical death sure, but this is about the spiritual realm."

The spirit never dies.

"The physical realm is subject to the spirtual realm, e.g. supernatural has dominion over the natural."

You do have a thing for these realm thing! There is no such a thing as "realms", they are just unknown, but not supernatural.


"Indeed, that is the hope of all Christians, to be raised from the ´dead´ by a spiritual God."

What do you mean by "raise from the dead"? Not like Michael Jackson´s "Thriller" videoclip, please...
Woo-Woo
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Salvia Divinorum

Salvia divinorum is a sprawling perennial herb which grows wild only in the Sierra Mazatec region of Mexico. It´s leaves contain the extremely potent salvinorin-A. It has a history of use as a divinatory psychedelic for oral use and has been widely available since the mid 1990s primarily as a smoked herb.


Will give you a controlled out of body experience. Tell Idol to visit some of the local Medicine men in Brazil -- or maybe she doesnt go to that side of the barrio
Malachi
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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The spirit never dies.

I agree, all I said was that no brain activity indicated physical death only.

"You do have a thing for these realm thing! There is no such a thing as "realms", they are just unknown, but not supernatural."

Hey, this terminology is from the Bible, as is the existence of the physical and spiritual. I make no apologies for the word of God. I just believe it.

"What do you mean by "raise from the dead"? Not like Michael Jackson´s "Thriller" videoclip, please..."

Well take a look at the bible, specifically 1 Corinthians 15. It´s a little long, but informative:

The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them–yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I die every day–I mean that, brothers–just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”[d] 33Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God–I say this to your shame.

The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[e]; the last Adam, a lifegiving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[f] bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed– 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[g] 55“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”[h] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Malachi
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Sorry All. 12:30pm here is Australia. Nighty night.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"Will give you a controlled out of body experience."

No, it will not. It will mess up with your neurotransmitters like any other drug.
Woo-Woo
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Its not a drug --its an HERB,

try telling that to the indigenous people that use it.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"Its not a drug --its an HERB,"

Hemp is not a drug, it is a herb...yeahsure

"try telling that to the indigenous people that use it."

Does the fact a practice that is indigenous necessarily means it is good?
Woo-Woo
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I dont care what hemp is --that doesnt negate what Salvia is --it is a herb that can be chewed --its legal and you can order it online or go in a herbal store and purchase it.
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Q. What is Salvia divinorum?
A. Salvia divinorum is a plant used for its psychoactive effects. Given the right dose, individual, set and setting, it produces a unique state of ´divine inebriation´ which has been traditionally used by Mazatec healers. This inebriation is quite different from that of alcohol. Salvia divinorum is both similar to, and different from, other drugs that affect the brain and behavior. In many ways Salvia divinorum is a unique ´magical´ herb. Salvia (and the salvinorin it contains) is very difficult to categorize pharmacologically. It does not fit well into any existing pharmacological class. Louis Lewin, the father of psychopharmacology called vision inducing drugs ´phantastica´. Let us dust off this venerable term and recycle it by calling Salvia divinorum a ´phantasticant´.

Q. Does Salvia divinorum have a history of traditional use?
A. Salvia divinorum is used as a sacred medicine by indigenous shamanic healers living in the mountainous Sierra Madre Oriental in the northeastern corner of the Mexican State of Oaxaca. In Spanish, these specialized healers are referred to as curanderos; in Mazatec these people are called cho-ta-ci-ne ("one who knows"). Salvia divinorum is primarily used in situations where the curanderos feels it is necessary to travel into the supernatural world in order to discover the true cause of the patient´s trouble. It is used in a ceremonial manner to induce a visionary trance state, within which it is possible determine the underlying cause of disease and to learn what steps should be taken to remedy such disease. It is also used in cases of theft or loss to determine the circumstances and whereabouts of missing objects. The leaves are always used fresh and are consumed orally; either by chewing the leaves or drinking an aqueous infusion of the crushed-leaf juices. Sometimes it is given to the patient, sometimes it is taken by the curandero and sometimes both take it together.

Most reports describe the use of this plant by Mazatec shamans, and although it is just barely touched upon in the anthropological literature, it is also reportedly used by their immediately contiguous neighbors, the Cuicatecs and Chinatecs. Given that the plant is quite easily propagated, it is surprising that such an extraordinary herb is only known of in such a geographically limited area. It seems quite probable that it would have found its way to other neighboring tribes through sharing and trade. Perhaps its use is still concealed from the outside world by other groups of indigenous Mexican Indians who still prefer to keep such a sacred plant secret.


IV. OBTAINING SALVIA
Q. Can I get free salvia?
A. We strongly encourage people to grow their own Salvia divinorum plants and to share cuttings with others. Plants are available from a growing number of specialty nurseries. Since it can be propagated easily from a small cutting, you may be able to get a free plant if you know someone already growing it. Salvia divinorum is a relatively easy plant to grow. This FAQ provides basic information about growing the plant. To grow and care for one´s own plants creates a mutually nurturing relationship, one that engenders a sense of respect for the plant as a living organism. The experience of Salvia divinorum is in part influenced by the circumstances of its acquisition, as well as one´s relationship to its source. These factors are important, because they influence the mental framework with which one approaches the experience (i.e. "set"). Growing one´s own plants and harvesting the leaves in a respectful manner is particularly meaningful to people who think of the plant as a sacred entity. By growing your own, you will have a constant supply of leaves that can be consumed in the traditional way: fresh, which is one of the safest and most rewarding methods for using this herb.

Q. Where can I buy salvia?
A: If you are unable to grow the plant, want to obtain specially prepared extracts, or if you simply want to experiment with Salvia divinorum to see if you like its effects before putting the energy into growing it, you will probably need to purchase it from a commercial supplier. Many people are uncomfortable about the commercialization and exploitation of sacred plants. The profound experiences they afford should not be pushed on to anybody. Too often, vendors sell Salvia divinorum with no information about proper preparation, safety, or effects. To do so is irresponsible. As a consumer, it is important that you trust your supplier and feel comfortable that your money is being spent wisely. The Sage Wisdom Salvia divinorum Shop is a recommended source for Salvia divinorum leaves, standardized extracts, Sage Goddess Emerald Essence, live cuttings, etc. Sales support the Salvia divinorum Research and Information Center, which hosts this FAQ. A detailed listing of other suppliers can be found in: "Salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A: The Best of the Entheogen Review 1992-1998". Scores of vendors can be found by typing the term Salvia divinorum, into your favorite Internet search engine.

Q. Do Salvia divinorum leaves vary in potency?
A: Leaf quality and potency can vary tremendously. When purchasing leaves, it is usually best to purchase the most potent grade of leaf that you can afford. This is especially true if the leaves will be smoked, because the more potent the leaves are, the less smoke you will need to inhale.

Q. Salvia divinorum is often sold by the ounce. How many dried leaves are in an ounce?
A. This can vary quite a lot. An average, large, mature leaf weighs about 1/3 gram dry. However, a typical harvest of leaves will include leaves of all sizes. A typical ounce usually contains 100 - 200 leaves. It is generally best not to estimate dose by leaf count, but rather by weight.

Q. How many smoked doses are in an ounce of leaf?
A. It varies, depending on the potency of the leaf and the sensitivity of the individual. A person of average sensitivity should be able to achieve moderately strong effects from 1/2 gram of average potency leaf, or 1/4 gram of stronger material, such as "Sierra Mazateca Prime Harvest." To achieve the full effects from a given quantity of leaf, it is very important to use the proper smoking technique.

Q. How many doses are in one ounce of dried Salvia divinorum when using the quid method of ingestion?
A: One ounce should be enough for 4–12 doses, depending on the strength of effects you are after. It is best to rehydrate the leaves with a little water before ingesting them.

Q. What is fortified leaf?
A: Fortified leaf is prepared by combining Salvia divinorum leaves with some form of Salvia divinorum extract. This is also termed extract enhanced leaf. Many people enjoy the effects of smoked Salvia divinorum. However, it can be difficult to achieve a satisfactory level of effects from the leaf in its natural state because of the large quantities of smoke that must be inhaled. Fortified leaves make it possible to achieve effects much more easily. Fortified leaf products allow one to explore deeper levels than are available using plain leaf. This is particularly important for people who find that they are not very sensitive to Salvia divinorum. Another advantage to these products is that they are far easier to consume, since less material needs to be ingested or smoked. Fortified leaf products can be quite powerful and must be used carefully. To reduce the risk of inhaling too large a dose, it is generally best to avoid smoking products containing more than 15 mg salvinorin A per gram of leaf, unless the dose can be weighed precisely.

Q. What are the different forms of fortified leaf?
A: These products fall into the following two categories:

Crude extract enhanced leaf: This is prepared by mixing a tar-like crude extract with Salvia divinorum leaves. This type of product concentrates tars and other potentially harmful components of the leaf. Crude-extract enhanced leaf is often described by a number followed by an x (such as "5x," "10x," etc). The number indicates the ratio of extract to leaf. For example, "5X" is prepared by mixing one unit of leaf with the tar-like crude extract obtained from four units of leaf. The resulting product is thus five times as potent as the leaves used to produce it. This type of product can vary tremendously in potency because the potency of the leaves used to produce it varies. It has a somewhat sticky feel and inferior burning characteristics due to the impure quality of the extract.

Standardized salvinorin A enhanced leaf: This is prepared by extracting pure salvinorin A (the active principal of the plant), then adding a measured quantity back onto Salvia divinorum leaves to bring them up to a specific, reliable, and consistent level of potency. This type of product is time consumming to prepare, but is far supperior to crude-extract enhanced leaf. Products that have been prepared in this manner have particularly good burning characteristics because they do not contain the tar-like, gummy impurities found in crude extracts. Since the impurities have been removed during the extraction process, they won´t end up in your lungs.

Q. Salvinorin A fortified leaf is often sold by the gram. How many doses are in a gram?
A. This depends on potency of the particular product and the individual´s sensitivity. The "regular-strength" offered by The Sage Wisdom Salvia Shop contains 15 mg of salvinorin A per gram. If you are working with this product, I recommend starting with about 1/20 gram (50 mg). If you find that the effects are too mild for you at this level, then gradually increase the dose until you find the level that works best for you.

Q. How can I measure 1/20 gram (50 mg)?
A. If you do not have a scale that can measure this quantity, you can simply divide one gram into 20 even parts. First divide the gram into four even piles, then divide each of those into five. It is important that you divide it up as evenly as possible. Either package and store all 20 parts separately (gelatin capsules work great for this), or just keep one part separate to use as a visual reference to estimate the correct amount to use in the future.

Q. How long can I store Salvia divinorum leaves and salvinorin A fortified leaf without them losing potency?
A. Probably for decades. The active principal, salvinorin A, is quite stable and can be stored at room-temperature. It is probably a good idea to store it in a dark location, such as a drawer or cupboard, so that it is not exposed to the potentially harmful effects of UV light.

Q. Do tinctures of Salvia divinorum require special storage?
A. An ethanolic tincture will retain its potency for many, many years, provided that it is stored in a dark location. Salvia divinorum tinctures are particularly vulnerable to UV light. The salvinorin A in them decomposes fairly quickly when exposed to strong sunlight. Tinctures should be stored at room temperature. They should not be refrigerated because cold temperatures can cause a tar-like sediment to form in the container. Since this sediment contains some of the active principal, the potency of the liquid will be reduced.

Q. Where can I obtain seeds for Salvia divinorum?
A: Salvia divinorum seeds are extremely rare. For reasons not well understood, the plant almost never produces them (even when carefully hand pollinated). You are unlikely to find them offered for sale anywhere. Salvia divinorum seeds have a very low rate of germination and often the seedlings do not survive. Typically, one can expect no more than thirty percent of a batch of seeds to germinate, and only about seventy percent of those that germinate are likely to develop into healthy plants.


V. SALVIA EXPERIENCES AND HOW TO RATE THEM
Q. What is a Salvia divinorum experience like?
A. It is almost certainly not like what you expect. Even if you have considerable experience with other psychoactive drugs, you will find that salvia is significantly different from what you may have encountered before. Salvia is unique, and it is best understood on its own terms, and not by analogy with other substances. Salvia is not a recreational drug, rather, it is best used by those wishing to explore deep meditative states, spiritual realms, mysticism, the nature of consciousness and reality, or the possibilities of shamanistic healing. Experiences vary with the individual, set, and setting as well as with dose and route of administration. It produces a short-lived inebriation that is very different from that of alcohol. However, like alcohol it interferes with the ability to drive, produces incoordination (ataxia), and may produce slurred speech.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"Salvia is not a recreational drug, rather, it is best used by those wishing to explore deep meditative states, spiritual realms, mysticism, the nature of consciousness and reality, or the possibilities of shamanistic healing. "

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