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Ionic silver is better than Colloidal silver! EVIDENCE

 
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Ionic silver is better than Colloidal silver! EVIDENCE
"The silver ion (Ag+) is bioactive and in sufficient concentration readily kills bacteria in vitro."

"Colloidal silver preparations primarily deliver inactive metallic silver, rather than the active microbicidal silver ion."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The anti-microbial properties of silver stem from the chemical properties of its ionized form, Ag+"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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wikipedia links? You stinky!!!
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wikipedia links? You stinky!!!
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Wikipedia is accurate, just check the sources toward the bottom of the pages.
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What does the ld in gold stands for?

Or ore ooor

Silver = silly big silly. Far
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What does the ld in gold stands for?

Or ore ooor

Silver = silly big silly. Far
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WTF are you talking about?
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What kind of colloidal silver are you talking about? Home made colloidal silver? Silver from proven professionals that make colloidal silver? Or even further yet; Chemical Free Colloidal Silver?

Silver has been proven and *documented in medicals books since 1914 that silver has been used as treatment of viral and bacterial symptoms. Text Book of Materia Medica and Their Therapeutics by A.S Blumgarten, 6th Edition, M.D., F.A.C.P. printed by The McMillan Company in New York. 1935, the first Edition was written in 1914.

The following are product types to avoid overdozing:

1) Silver Nitrates
2) Home Made Colloidal Silver
3) Chemical Colloidal Silver

Chemical Colloidal Silver Products: Are stored in Dark or Amber bottles because Light or sunlight causes the chemicals to drop, also they can not be stored in the refrigerator or freezer, or in High Heat Conditions because the chemicals will drop to the bottom., Colloidal Chemical products also have a “Color” to the solution which is caused by the catalysts that are used in the electrical process, those catalysts are what can cause serious side effects.

More people have died from FDA approved medications and NONE from colloidal silver.

Still afraid of turning blue? HERE ARE SOME TIPS:

1) Do not ingest Home Made Colloidal Silver like the Blue Man
2) Only buy Chemical Free Colloidal Silver Atoms, aka Colloidal Silver 3000 PPM
3) Check with your doctor to make sure you are not allergic to silver
4) Do not cake on silver nitrates then head to a tanning parlor (LOL). [link to www.gold2live.com]

Chemical Colloidal Silver? Or NON Chemically Made Colloidal Silver?

Historically what has been used for the last 90 years or so are Chemical Colloids, until four years ago no one has ever heard of Colloidal Silver Atoms, or, Monatomic Colloidal Silver, or Colloidal Silver 3000 PPM.

Only real Experts can make Chemical Free Colloidal atoms, aka colloidal silver 3000 PPM that are Guaranteed for 60 DAYS!

What makes Colloidal Silver 3000 PPM products even more unique is that they contain ATOM size particles, atom sized particles suspended in distilled water. These silver atoms are so tiny, that they are NOT heavy metals at all, and are easily expelled out of the body once they achieve their intended target.

NON Chemical vs. the chemically made NANO particle products. Nano Particles have 29 atoms per particle making them huge and rendering their effectiveness near zero.

The most that nano particles do is impact a virus, maybe....MAYBE bruise the virus a bit, then they just bounce off.

Experts agree that the smaller the particle the better, ATOM Sized particles are exceptionally far better and far superior than nano products.

Just to a Google search of: Colloidal Silver ATOMs, Colloidal Silver 3000 PPM and you can locate their link. [link to www.gold2live.com]
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"The silver ion (Ag+) is bioactive and in sufficient concentration readily kills bacteria in vitro."

"Colloidal silver preparations primarily deliver inactive metallic silver, rather than the active microbicidal silver ion."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The anti-microbial properties of silver stem from the chemical properties of its ionized form, Ag+"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427483


Hi,

I know this is an older post but I need to say something. You folks can go ahead quoting Wikipedia till you turn blue in the face. Wikipedia is NOT an official repository of scientific information and fact. Anyone can put any 'credible-sounding' article on Wiki and until it is disputed or corrected or edited, what is there is only an opinion ... PLEASE! The term "in vitro" means OUTSIDE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. In the case of Ionic Silver, it was effective against pathogens such as harmful bacteria and viruses such as HIV in the PETRI dish. That's because the petri dish did not contain the other substances that render Ag+ useless ... substances such as potassium chloride (found in the blood) and other chlorides found in the body in a wide and varied abundance to say nothing of the available chloride provided by HCl in the stomach. So please people, get your scientific nomenclatures and facts straight. Whatever Ag+ gets into the blood turns into Silver Chloride almost as fast as it does in the stomach. It'll kill whatever is in you mouth though ... like cankar sores .... it also does a number on toenail fungus... bet ya didn't know that either!

Metallic, Particulate Colloidal Silver is NOT affected (as much) by acids and salts and can diffuse to all points in the body to do its magic as a ""CATALYST"". It works as a catalyst to aid the body's immune system in disabling a pathogen's vital metabolic enzymes and in the oxidation and destruction of the pathogen's outer membranes ... and the outer membranes of even the most deadly pathogens are more fragile than those of the natural critters that live in our digestive systems ... so they survive ... and because silver's effectiveness is directly related to its catalytic properties, no pathogen can ever develop into a Silver-Resistant Strain. THERE !

Check out some of the good stuff I made at:
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Antifungal Properties of Electrically Generated Metallic Ions
T. J. Berger*, J. A. Spadaro, Richard Bierman, S. E. Chapin and R. O. Becker
* Veterans Administration Hospital, Syracuse, New York 13210
Department of Orthopedics, State University of New York, Upstate Medical Center, Syracuse, New York 13210

ABSTRACT

A qualitative and quantitative investigation was undertaken to study the susceptibility of unicellular eucaryotic organisms (yeasts) to metallic cations generated by low levels of direct current. Results were characteristic of effects obtained previously using clinical and standard bacteria test organisms. The present study demonstrated that anodic silver (Ag+) at low direct currents had inhibitory and fungicidal properties. Broth dilution susceptibility tests were made on several species of Candida and one species of Torulopsis. Growth in all isolates was inhibited by concentrations of electrically generated silver ions between 0.5 and 4.7 µg/ml, and silver exhibited fungicidal properties at concentrations as low as 1.9 µg/ml. The inhibitory and fungicidal concentrations of electrically generated silver ions are lower than those reported for other silver compounds.
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ions are smaller the colloids so no shit sherlock.
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Actually silver is not metabolised by the human system. The body only takes up a small amount of silver. The rest is flushed out. You guys really need to learn some biology / toxicology / chemistry ...
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cool! +amazing
combine it with this:

So.. from the start, a basic description
of how to get healthy from this Water

and why it matters...
The name KANGEN water is from JAPAN.



[link to www.youtube.com]

Secret to health and beauty? Anti-aging, and more, do research.
Does our water actually reduce the body's acidity
and help to restore the body to a youthful condition?

Now, in the Drunvalo info above,
it describes how water secrets can be used to heal our planet.

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 Quoting: HeartPulse 1097863



from my thread here, it has more interestin info on water
Thread: == Magnetic Plasma Bodies == (Page 2)

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Excerpted from the article “Experts: It’s the Silver Ion That Gives Colloidal Silver Its Antimicrobial Power” at this link: [link to www.thesilveredge.com]

Here’s what the experts have to say about the powerful infection-fighting qualities of ionic silver:

"The antimicrobial properties of silver are due to the silver ion..."

-- Romans, I.B. 1954. Oligodynamic metals. In Antiseptics, Disinfectants, Fungicides, and Chemical and Physical Sterilization. Philadelphia, Lea & Febiger, 388-428.

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"...the microbicidal activity of silver is significantly ion influenced.”


-- Simonetti, N., et al. 1992. Electrochemical Ag+ for preservative use. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 58(12), 3834-3836.


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"To be bactericidal, the silver must be available as a solution, and the efficacy of the solution is dependent on the concentration of silver ions present in the solution…”


-- Wright, J. Barry, Lam, Kan, and Burrell, Robert E. 1998. Wound management in an era of increasing bacterial antibiotic resistance: a role for topical silver treatment. American Journal of Infection Control, 26(6), 572-577.


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“…the electrically generated silver ion is the agent responsible for the observed cellular changes…Healing rates in these wounds are significantly accelerated and are accompanied by enhanced healing of the bone, soft tissue, nerve, and skin, with replacement of missing tissues by histologically normal tissues…The responsible agent for these cellular effects is believed to be the electrically generated silver ion”.


-- Becker, Robert O. 2000. Effects of electrically generated silver ions on human cells and wound healing. Electro- and Magnetobiology, 19(1), 1-19.)


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“It has been shown shown that the ionic portion of a colloidal silver protein is the germicidal component.”


-- Sollman, Torald, and J.D. Pilcher 1924. Organic, protein and colloid silver compounds: Does the “colloidal silver” become available as antiseptic? Journal of Laboratory and Clinical Medicine. 10:38-42.


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"...the bactericidal power of CS (colloidal silver) is due to the silver ion."


-- Uegaki, Shingo. 1930. Influence of the blood constituents on the bactericidal power of colloidal silver. Japanese Journal of Experimental Medicine. 8: 573-613.)


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"Silver is a disinfectant for non-spore forming bacteria at concentrations about 1000 times lower than the levels at which it is toxic to mammalian life… The ionic form of silver is necessary."


-- British Columbia Ministry of Environment, Ambient Water Quality Criteria for Silver, Environmental Protection Department, February 19, 1996


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“…conversion of silver to silver ions is necessary for efficacy.”


-- Albert T. McManus, MD, Chief of Microbiology, Brooke Army Medical Center, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, Army Burn Center, United States Army Institute of Surgical Research


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"Ionic silver, although technically a colloidal, does seem to offer more beneficial properties than the traditional colloidal silver. Ionic silver can be generated by electrolyzing the silver metal or dissolving silver compounds and appears to have superior antimicrobial activity.”


-- S.M. Foran, Therapeutic Properties of Silver: an Historical and Technical Review


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"Silver compounds have a wide variety of uses as caustics, astringents, antiseptics, and germicides. Their activity resides in the silver ion, which is a protein precipitant [in that] it is toxic to bacteria by precipitating the protein in the bacteria protoplasm.”


-- Handbook of the Hospital Corps of the United States Navy, 1953


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“All silver-based antimicrobials act against bacteria through the action of silver ions (Ag+). The effect of silver ions against microorganisms is well established and is referred to as the oligodynamic effect. Silver ions interact with bacteria cells through 3 mechanisms:


1. Damage cell membrane
2. Displace Ca2+ and Zn2+ ions
3. Interact with sulphur, oxygen or nitrogen


Silver ions are active against a broad range of gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria. Unique qualities of silver ions are: Low risk for bacteria resistance, effective in very low concentrations, no human toxicity”


-- Dr. Murray J. Height, Ph.D, Chief Technology Officer, HeiQ Materials, Silver Nanotechnology Working Group


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“It is the silver ion (Ag+) that provides silver with its unique recognition as the healthful metal. Its bactericidal activity is unique because though this ion breeches walls of bacterial cells, it does not do so to mammalian cells. This selectivity, which remains unclear, was perceived during ancient times leading to its universal use.”
-- Samuel F. Etris, The Silver Institute, writing in Silver Compounds
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Excerpted from the article “Experts: It’s the Silver Ion That Gives Colloidal Silver Its Antimicrobial Power” at this link: [link to www.thesilveredge.com]

Here’s what the experts have to say about the powerful infection-fighting qualities of ionic silver:

"The antimicrobial properties of silver are due to the silver ion..."

-- Romans, I.B. 1954. Oligodynamic metals. In Antiseptics, Disinfectants, Fungicides, and Chemical and Physical Sterilization. Philadelphia, Lea & Febiger, 388-428.

----------------


"...the microbicidal activity of silver is significantly ion influenced.”


-- Simonetti, N., et al. 1992. Electrochemical Ag+ for preservative use. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 58(12), 3834-3836.


-------------


"To be bactericidal, the silver must be available as a solution, and the efficacy of the solution is dependent on the concentration of silver ions present in the solution…”


-- Wright, J. Barry, Lam, Kan, and Burrell, Robert E. 1998. Wound management in an era of increasing bacterial antibiotic resistance: a role for topical silver treatment. American Journal of Infection Control, 26(6), 572-577.


-------------


“…the electrically generated silver ion is the agent responsible for the observed cellular changes…Healing rates in these wounds are significantly accelerated and are accompanied by enhanced healing of the bone, soft tissue, nerve, and skin, with replacement of missing tissues by histologically normal tissues…The responsible agent for these cellular effects is believed to be the electrically generated silver ion”.


-- Becker, Robert O. 2000. Effects of electrically generated silver ions on human cells and wound healing. Electro- and Magnetobiology, 19(1), 1-19.)


------------

“It has been shown shown that the ionic portion of a colloidal silver protein is the germicidal component.”


-- Sollman, Torald, and J.D. Pilcher 1924. Organic, protein and colloid silver compounds: Does the “colloidal silver” become available as antiseptic? Journal of Laboratory and Clinical Medicine. 10:38-42.


-------------


"...the bactericidal power of CS (colloidal silver) is due to the silver ion."


-- Uegaki, Shingo. 1930. Influence of the blood constituents on the bactericidal power of colloidal silver. Japanese Journal of Experimental Medicine. 8: 573-613.)


-------------


"Silver is a disinfectant for non-spore forming bacteria at concentrations about 1000 times lower than the levels at which it is toxic to mammalian life… The ionic form of silver is necessary."


-- British Columbia Ministry of Environment, Ambient Water Quality Criteria for Silver, Environmental Protection Department, February 19, 1996


------------

“…conversion of silver to silver ions is necessary for efficacy.”


-- Albert T. McManus, MD, Chief of Microbiology, Brooke Army Medical Center, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, Army Burn Center, United States Army Institute of Surgical Research


-------------


"Ionic silver, although technically a colloidal, does seem to offer more beneficial properties than the traditional colloidal silver. Ionic silver can be generated by electrolyzing the silver metal or dissolving silver compounds and appears to have superior antimicrobial activity.”


-- S.M. Foran, Therapeutic Properties of Silver: an Historical and Technical Review


------------


"Silver compounds have a wide variety of uses as caustics, astringents, antiseptics, and germicides. Their activity resides in the silver ion, which is a protein precipitant [in that] it is toxic to bacteria by precipitating the protein in the bacteria protoplasm.”


-- Handbook of the Hospital Corps of the United States Navy, 1953


------------


“All silver-based antimicrobials act against bacteria through the action of silver ions (Ag+). The effect of silver ions against microorganisms is well established and is referred to as the oligodynamic effect. Silver ions interact with bacteria cells through 3 mechanisms:


1. Damage cell membrane
2. Displace Ca2+ and Zn2+ ions
3. Interact with sulphur, oxygen or nitrogen


Silver ions are active against a broad range of gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria. Unique qualities of silver ions are: Low risk for bacteria resistance, effective in very low concentrations, no human toxicity”


-- Dr. Murray J. Height, Ph.D, Chief Technology Officer, HeiQ Materials, Silver Nanotechnology Working Group


------------


“It is the silver ion (Ag+) that provides silver with its unique recognition as the healthful metal. Its bactericidal activity is unique because though this ion breeches walls of bacterial cells, it does not do so to mammalian cells. This selectivity, which remains unclear, was perceived during ancient times leading to its universal use.”
-- Samuel F. Etris, The Silver Institute, writing in Silver Compounds
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Finally, something that makes sense re: colloidal silver. Thanks!

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