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UNREAL, BABY BRIDES … SAUDI JUDGE REFUSES TO ANNUL 8 YEAR OLD GIRL’S ARRANGED MARRIAGE by Father to Settle a Debt

 
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Legalized crimes against woman in Saudi Arabia

So women want to complain in America that it’s a man’s world, huh? Try living in Saudi Arabia or pretty much any Islamic country where dogs might have more rights and preferential treatment than woman. Saudi activists have likened child marriages to slavery. Well maybe because it is. In Saudi Arabia … Woman have come a long way baby, NOT!!!

Baby brides

Call it marriage, Islamic style. Saudi marriage officiant Dr. Ahmad al-Mu’bi told Lebanese television viewers last week that it’s permissible for girls as young as 1 to marry — as long as sex is postponed. Guess who decides the appropriate age for sex?

A Saudi judge has refused for the second time to grant an annulment of a marriage between an 8 year old girl and a 47 year old man. Yes, you read that correctly. The judge rejected a petition from the girl’s mother, who was seeking a divorce for her daughter. Can anyone imagine a world where a marriage of an 8 year old is ruled legal?

Think that is bad? It actually gets worse, if possible. The 8 year old girl’s other initial petition to the court has denied on a technicality. Since the mother is separated from the girl’s father and is not the legal guardian, the mom had no standing to represent the 8 year old. Makes some sense until this bit of information. The father, the legal guardian, is the one arranged the marriage to settle a debt with a fried. GOOD GRIEF!!! So what is an 8 year old girl worth? It appears 30,000 riyals or US$8,000.

The marriage contract was part of a loan repayment agreement. The groom agreed to deduct 30,000 riyals ($8,000) from a debt the father owed him in return. The 47-year-old has promised not to consummate the marriage until his bride reaches puberty.

Oh but wait woman’s rights advocated there is a silver lining. The judge ruled that when the 8 year old reaches puberty, she will have the right to request adivorce by filing a petition with the court. UNREAL. In a country that provides so few laws for women, think that the courts will do anything if the 47 year old decides to consummate the marriage early? Define puberty.

The relative said the judge, Sheikh Habib Al-Habib, “stuck by his earlier verdict and insisted that the girl could petition the court for adivorce once she reached puberty.” The family member, who requested anonymity, added that the mother will continue to pursue a divorce for her daughter.

The case, which has drawn criticism from local and international rights groups, came to light in December when al-Habib declined to annul the marriage on a legal technicality. The judge ruled the girl’s mother — who is separated from the girl’s father — was not the girl’s legal guardian and therefore could not represent her in court, according to Abdullah al-Jutaili, the mother’s lawyer.

The girl’s father, according to the attorney, arranged the marriage in order to settle his debts with the man, who is “a close friend” of his. At the time of the initial verdict, the judge required the girl’s husband to sign a pledge that he would not have sex with her until she reaches puberty, al-Jutaili told CNN. The judge ruled that when the girl reaches puberty, she will have the right to request adivorce by filing a petition with the court, the lawyer said.

Human rights be damned, the clerics know best.

The issue of child marriage has been a hot-button topic in the deeply conservative kingdom recently. While rights groups have been petitioning the government to enact laws that would protect children from this type of marriage, the kingdom’s top cleric has said that it’s OK for girls as young as 10 to wed.

“It is incorrect to say that it’s not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger,” Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, the kingdom’s grand mufti, said in remarks last January quoted in the regional Al-Hayat newspaper. “A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she’s too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her.”

How bad is it for some child brides in Saudi Arabia? A 16 year old Saudi girl drank a bottle of bleach in an attempt to commit suicide to escape a forced marriage to a 75 year old man.

[link to scaredmonkeys.com]

[link to www.cnn.com]

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Is that on the other side of the planet?

We will not be going to war over it so give it up.

Would you rather set the example with American women?
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Is that on the other side of the planet?

We will not be going to war over it so give it up.

Would you rather set the example with American women?
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U.S. MUSLIM LEADERS DECLARE : "WOMEN ARE SATAN'S SNARE"

According to AMJA's fatwas, Muslim women living in America are prohibited from:

* Growing their fingernails or using nail polish;

* Plucking their eyebrows;

* Showing their hair in public;

* Wearing jeans in public;

* Handling the Quran during menstruation, or praying in the mosque during menstruation;

* Traveling without a male escort who is a close relative;

* Resisting their husband's sexual advances outside of the menstrual period;

* Praying in close proximity to men in the mosque or anywhere near the front of the prayer room;

* Swimming or sunbathing in a bathing suit even in a women-only area;

* Undergoing surgical contraception such as tubal ligation;

* Running for political office;

* Posting photos of themselves on Facebook or MySpace.

"Women are Satan's snare," AMJA says.

AMJA supports Shariah punishment including "lashing" women who have premarital sex (zina) and "stoning" those who have sex outside their marriage.

Thread: U.S. MUSLIM LEADERS FORBID AID TO TROOPS. ALSO DECLARE : "WOMEN ARE SATAN'S SNARE"
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Child Brides, Marriage & Islamic Interpretation





Rape Laws in Islamic Pakistan




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doesn't surprise me... these people are massively fucked in the head:


[link to www.islam-watch.org]

Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabic—touted as the most perfect Arabic—is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.” Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheep—even a cow or a camel—for all are ridden.” Raymond Ibrahim



Not punishable: intercourse with animals

[link to ethnikoi.org] (Persian original available)
[link to iranpoliticsclub.net]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth edition, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

Editor's notes: I wonder if it is OK to sodomize a dead animal? What happens if the buyer brings the poor animal back into the city?

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

Editor's note: The poor animal first is sodomized and then killed and burned. What an Islamic justice toward animals? Where are the animal rights groups?

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

Editor's note: It does not say who should have ablution: the animal or the man?

Imam Khomeini's Teachings On Sex with Infants and Animals, Ablution, and Women during Period! Compiled by Parvin Darabi and HDF The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrir-ol-Masael, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom"

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doesn't surprise me... these people are massively fucked in the head:


[link to www.islam-watch.org]

Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabic—touted as the most perfect Arabic—is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.” Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheep—even a cow or a camel—for all are ridden.” Raymond Ibrahim



Not punishable: intercourse with animals

[link to ethnikoi.org] (Persian original available)
[link to iranpoliticsclub.net]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth edition, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

Editor's notes: I wonder if it is OK to sodomize a dead animal? What happens if the buyer brings the poor animal back into the city?

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

Editor's note: The poor animal first is sodomized and then killed and burned. What an Islamic justice toward animals? Where are the animal rights groups?

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

Editor's note: It does not say who should have ablution: the animal or the man?

Imam Khomeini's Teachings On Sex with Infants and Animals, Ablution, and Women during Period! Compiled by Parvin Darabi and HDF The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrir-ol-Masael, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom"
 Quoting: Hillcrest


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Water always wins. :sun:
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