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How does HAARP cause earthquakes?

 
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
Are you sure it's not set up to emit programming?
When I first heard about Haarp I wondered if it were used toward programming. How do you know it is not?
Would you trust the FCC if they told you it were not?


I don't know if it is or isn't used to experiment in the above area, I'm just curious.
I'm more curious about that than the earthquake debate.

If it blew out holes in the atmosphere why are they still using it?
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I have looked at some of the technical papers from HAARP. The can do some rudimentary changes in frequency, basically by moving a dial, but not broadcast quality. Also, I have noticed that the papers dealing with HAARP have researchers from the US, Canada, Norway, France, UK, and even Russia. Seems odd to have a super secret facility and then let all of the foreign nationals in, don't you think?

HAARP is not controlled by the FCC but they do control the use of the radio spectrum in the US.

Now to find out what HAARP really does all someone has to do is listen. Someone could set up a receiver nearby and capture everything that HAARP transmits. Why hasn't anybody done that? I will tell you why, you there is nothing of interst.

All that is going on is that people are listening to a bunch of Charlatans who want to sell books and make public appearances for money. Smart people, but ignorant of science, for some reason, want to believe and accept the words of charlatans. I am trying to get people to wake up and ask the charlatans the hard questions and ask do the answers make sense. I find that the answers do not make sense. They are able to make things up because no one says, hey that isn't right. Learn some real facts and tell these people who are after your money that they have to prove their statements, not just make wild ass claims.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
Do you have any scientific publications that show that "The ionosphere has a direct effect on earthquakes"?

Do you have a source for this prediction about "burning of the earth's atmosphere'? This does not seem possible. And what even do you mean by "burn"?

Earthquakes are not a new phenomenon. We have records of earthquakes going back before man existed.
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1) "The upper layers of the atmosphere produce or prevent earthquakes. A major alteration of these would make the whole Earth tremble and its cities will collapse like a pack of cards; a quaking earth below, and darkness and burning heat above. || Enormous waves will form on the seas, compressed violently by the solar energy.." [link to www.linux-host.org]

We already have the phenomena of monster waves in the ocean, and one in the Black Sea as well, I notice in the last few days.

2) "The upper atmosphere of the Earth will be set on fire and everyone in the world will see this. It will be set on fire by the U.S. military using their H.A.A.R.P. (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) climate control weapon. This fire will be a bright red and last for one week. This will be claimed to have been an accident, but it will have been an intentional testing of the weapon. Within one year of this event WWIII will begin." [link to www.crawford2000.co.uk]

If there is atomic warfare in the middle east, as Mary is predicting in her messages, then the earth could chuck a furfey, like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle has predicted [link to www.crystalinks.com]

"War appears only in the early stages and appears to be a signal for the crisis to follow.

The crisis will come in an instant. The destruction and dislocation of civilized life will be beyond belief."
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4) Wavelike disturbances caused by earthquake preparation processes seem to be a sound candidate to serve as an earthquake precursor. Wave traces in the ionospheric plasma are TEC wavelike structures. Detecting wavelike structures in TEC andelectron density distributions is not an easy task, since the values of perturbations are rather small and the waves can arise from not a single region due to the mozaicity of earthquakes. Therefore the method for the study of wavelike manifestations ofearthquake preparation should provide good spatial coverage and continuous monitoring of a region of interest. In light of all the foregoing commentary, we determined that complex radio tomography based on signals from high-orbital navigationalsatellites (GNSS) and signals from low-orbital satellites like Transit-Tsikada seem to be the most suitable method for detection ionospheric precursors of pending earthquakes.

Since the early 1990's, we have led the world's research efforts in radio tomographic of the ionosphere (RTI), and have developed methods capable of reconstructing the spatial structure of the electron density distribution in the ionosphere fromdata obtained from signals transiting the ionosphere. FIGS. 1-4 capture the essence of the present invention's methodology. The existing LO satellite navigational systems having circular orbits at about 1000-1150 km altitudes, and ground receiving chains provide time series of tomographic data along different rays. In RTI experiments, the reception of two coherent satellite signals at 150 and 400 MHz and registration of phase differences between these carriers (reduced phase) is carried out at aset of several ground-based receivers arranged along the ground track of the satellite, spaced about a hundred kilometers apart. Measurements of the reduced phase N at several receiving sites are input data for tomographic reconstruction. Electrondensity N is integrated along rays between the ground receiver and satellite transmitter is proportion to the absolute (total) phase Φ including the unknown initial phase φ0 (equation (1) discussed above provided below for furtherreference):


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When they say 'several ground based receivers' are they implying the haarp?
They aren't specific.

Is there a possibility that a combination of technological instruments and experiments could be used together to produce earth changes?

OP have you considered that Haarp on it's own may or may not be able to affect such thing as an earthquake but together with other instruments? If so what is your debunking of that suggestion.
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1) "The upper layers of the atmosphere produce or prevent earthquakes. A major alteration of these would make the whole Earth tremble and its cities will collapse like a pack of cards; a quaking earth below, and darkness and burning heat above. || Enormous waves will form on the seas, compressed violently by the solar energy.." [link to www.linux-host.org]

We already have the phenomena of monster waves in the ocean, and one in the Black Sea as well, I notice in the last few days.

2) "The upper atmosphere of the Earth will be set on fire and everyone in the world will see this. It will be set on fire by the U.S. military using their H.A.A.R.P. (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) climate control weapon. This fire will be a bright red and last for one week. This will be claimed to have been an accident, but it will have been an intentional testing of the weapon. Within one year of this event WWIII will begin." [link to www.crawford2000.co.uk]

If there is atomic warfare in the middle east, as Mary is predicting in her messages, then the earth could chuck a furfey, like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle has predicted [link to www.crystalinks.com]

"War appears only in the early stages and appears to be a signal for the crisis to follow.

The crisis will come in an instant. The destruction and dislocation of civilized life will be beyond belief."

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1) this website seems to be more undocumented wild claims
2) rogue waves have been known since well before HAARP every existed
3) predictions from nutcases with no credentials or scientific background are ignorable

Again, there is not scientific reasons or verifiable statements or data in what you provide. That is what I am looking for.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.
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I have looked at some of the technical papers from HAARP. The can do some rudimentary changes in frequency, basically by moving a dial, but not broadcast quality. Also, I have noticed that the papers dealing with HAARP have researchers from the US, Canada, Norway, France, UK, and even Russia. Seems odd to have a super secret facility and then let all of the foreign nationals in, don't you think?


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It's an interesting debate although I appear to be more suspicious and lest trusting than you. I don't exactly trust the information put out by such technical papers any more than I trust the information put out by politicians. The scientists are paid by whom? It could well be propaganda or cover up. This is what makes a lay persons investigation very difficult. No it doesn't seem odd to have a super secret facility and then let "some" international scientist in. I watched an expose by an engineer from area 911 who claims that they were heavily guarded and could not easily relay information back and forth. How do you know these few interternational scientists aren't writing one type of propaganda to the public?



Learn some real facts and tell these people who are after your money that they have to prove their statements, not just make wild ass claims.
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agreed.
~*~ gypsy heart
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I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.
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so you're saying they could use a combination of various technologies, methods and instrumentation.

That would be a better use of time OP.
Review how various methods could work together.
Could be a difficult undertaking. Good luck.
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I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.
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I've highlighted two reasons why haarp was created.
God is a force of nature.
Good and Evil, WE CREATE THAT.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
When they say 'several ground based receivers' are they implying the haarp?
They aren't specific.

Is there a possibility that a combination of technological instruments and experiments could be used together to produce earth changes?

OP have you considered that Haarp on it's own may or may not be able to affect such thing as an earthquake but together with other instruments? If so what is your debunking of that suggestion.
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There is only one HAARP. It is the name of a specific installation. HIPAS is also in Alaska. EISCAT is in Norway. Sura is in Russia. There is another heater at Arecibo in Puerto Rico. Arcibo has effective isotropic radiated powers of 20 terawatts at 2380 MHz. Here is the defintion of EIRP from wikipedia. "Effective isotropically radiated power is the amount of power that a theoretical isotropic antenna (which evenly distributes power in all directions) would emit to produce the peak power density observed in the direction of maximum antenna gain." All that means is that the beam is very, very narrow. The transmitter has a total output around 150 kilowatts.

No, still not enough power if all the transmitters pointed to the same location. You have to think of atmospheric losses. The ionosphere isn't that good of a reflector. The numbers I see are from 0.003 to 0.22 (that is 0.3% to 22%) and is a function of frequency, altitude, time of day, time of year. It is highest at night. It works for radio stations because your reciever can pick up weak signals.

The other factor is that the ionosphere is a very dynamic environment - it is always changing. I don't think it would be even possible to take multiple beams and have them all hit the same point on the ground at the same time. Here is an analogy. Have a group of people stand on a beach with laser pointers. Everyone points their laser on the surface of the ocean, which has small waves, and the reflected beams all have to converge on the letter O painted on the back of a boat. Doesn't sound likely to me.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.


I've highlighted two reasons why haarp was created.
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Unsubstantiated claims. No proof
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I have looked at some of the technical papers from HAARP. The can do some rudimentary changes in frequency, basically by moving a dial, but not broadcast quality. Also, I have noticed that the papers dealing with HAARP have researchers from the US, Canada, Norway, France, UK, and even Russia. Seems odd to have a super secret facility and then let all of the foreign nationals in, don't you think?




It's an interesting debate although I appear to be more suspicious and lest trusting than you. I don't exactly trust the information put out by such technical papers any more than I trust the information put out by politicians. The scientists are paid by whom? It could well be propaganda or cover up. This is what makes a lay persons investigation very difficult. No it doesn't seem odd to have a super secret facility and then let "some" international scientist in. I watched an expose by an engineer from area 911 who claims that they were heavily guarded and could not easily relay information back and forth. How do you know these few interternational scientists aren't writing one type of propaganda to the public?



Learn some real facts and tell these people who are after your money that they have to prove their statements, not just make wild ass claims.

agreed.
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What is your background in science?
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
HAARP has NEVER caused Earthquakes, the theory (or should I say hypothesis) goes, it can be used to trigger or precipitate a quake by ground penetrating electromagnetic waves, bounced off the ionosphere. The stress between the tectonic plates having been naturally built up over years, in the normal manner.
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I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.

I've highlighted two reasons why haarp was created.

Unsubstantiated claims. No proof
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Incorrect. Do some research before you say it's unsubtantiated. I'm not going to do your research for you.

The fed is up to some seriously sinister stuff to control us AND you sir.

Just curious, do you believe the news hype and bribed media "medical" reports that state vaccines do no harm?
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I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.

I've highlighted two reasons why haarp was created.

Unsubstantiated claims. No proof


Incorrect. Do some research before you say it's unsubtantiated. I'm not going to do your research for you.

The fed is up to some seriously sinister stuff to control us AND you sir.

Just curious, do you believe the news hype and bribed media "medical" reports that state vaccines do no harm?
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You provided no references so yes it is unsubstantiated.
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Just curious, do you believe the news hype and bribed media "medical" reports that state vaccines do no harm?
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Vaccines can have side effects in some people. So to say they do "no" harm would be incorrect. A vaccine improperly tested could also do harm. But for the vast majority of people vaccines are worthwhile.

Have you ever had a vaccine? Polio vaccine for example. Have you had penicillin? Are all medicines bad?
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Its doesn't. Haarp is used to help suspend agents in chemtrails which are used to block radiation from hitting the people on the surface. This is needed now that our atmosphere is messed up.
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I believe HAARP is different than the earthquake weapon the US has, though HAARP can do some horrific things beyond out comprehension, and still be able to produce a variety of seemingly natural events. It can cause mass mind control ove wide areas in conjunction with cell towers by using ELF's. It can control weather, blow spaceships, satellites, and planes out of the sky and even in the space around earth. The fed knows the resonant frequency that "known" fault lines react to. They then use a subsonic, ultrasound frequency that matches these resonant frequencies directed at the areas, like a vibrating tuning fork, and direct these frequencies to the areas from mobile control centers on military stealth planes. The earthquake then occurs within 24 hours of causing these ultrasonic interruptions.

It's some lame, pathetic sinister shit, a complete misappropriation of time, energy, and funds for negative uses. The fed are complete ASSHOLES for using it and are disgraces to humanity.
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Can you provide some links to substantiate any of these claims? Thanks.
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I have looked at some of the technical papers from HAARP. The can do some rudimentary changes in frequency, basically by moving a dial, but not broadcast quality. Also, I have noticed that the papers dealing with HAARP have researchers from the US, Canada, Norway, France, UK, and even Russia. Seems odd to have a super secret facility and then let all of the foreign nationals in, don't you think?

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It's an interesting debate although I appear to be more suspicious and lest trusting than you. I don't exactly trust the information put out by such technical papers any more than I trust the information put out by politicians. The scientists are paid by whom? It could well be propaganda or cover up. This is what makes a lay persons investigation very difficult. No it doesn't seem odd to have a super secret facility and then let "some" international scientist in. I watched an expose by an engineer from area 911 who claims that they were heavily guarded and could not easily relay information back and forth. How do you know these few interternational scientists aren't writing one type of propaganda to the public?

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Op, you didn't answer my question.
You apparently trust the papers you've read.
I am apparently more skeptical having witnessed tptb propaganda throughout history.

Do you have inside knowledge that these types of instruments could NOT work together to experiment with weather in this nature? Do you have inside knowledge that engineers/scientist are NOT holding experiments with various types of technology to work together to create various types of weather?

What is your science background?

using an example of a group of people standing on a beach pointing a laser at a target mark on the ocean is not a good one unless you are willing to try it in various scenarios over an extended test period and come back and tell us it didn't work. Otherwise you are guilty of the same thing you're complaining about in others.

Please answer these questions.

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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
NONLINEAR PHENOMENA!!!

That's really all you need to know about HAARP. It's the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back". All's you got to do is just impose a tiny alternating perturbation to the charge distribution of the ionosphere and sit back and allow the resulting modification of the earth-to-ground electrical potential to work its magic. The AC disturbance induces piezoelectric fluctuations in the ground. And if you just happen to perturb the ionosphere in a region located directly above a fault line then you can build up tremendous forces which can only release in one way...earthquake!
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Op, you didn't answer my question.
You apparently trust the papers you've read.
I am apparently more skeptical having witnessed tptb propaganda throughout history.

Do you have inside knowledge that these types of instruments could NOT work together to experiment with weather in this nature? Do you have inside knowledge that engineers/scientist are NOT holding experiments with various types of technology to work together to create various types of weather?

using an example of a group of people standing on a beach pointing a laser at a target mark on the ocean is not a good one unless you are willing to try it in various scenarios over an extended test period and come back and tell us it didn't work. Otherwise you are guilty of the same thing you're complaining about in others.

Please answer these questions.
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Unless you are 10,000 years old you have not witnessed propaganda throughout history. You have relied on the writings of others. How do you know that wasn't propaganda? Bit of a paradox now isn't it.

Regarding my example, not it is not the same. I am not saying you can do something with the wave slopes but rather you cannot. Wave patterns exhibit a random characteristic. Therefore the wave slopes will be random. It is thus not possible to have the random reflected beams come together except at random times and for random lengths of time.

Your other questions are rhetorical.
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NONLINEAR PHENOMENA!!!

That's really all you need to know about HAARP. It's the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back". All's you got to do is just impose a tiny alternating perturbation to the charge distribution of the ionosphere and sit back and allow the resulting modification of the earth-to-ground electrical potential to work its magic. The AC disturbance induces piezoelectric fluctuations in the ground. And if you just happen to perturb the ionosphere in a region located directly above a fault line then you can build up tremendous forces which can only release in one way...earthquake!
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Well, at least it isn't a one word answer.

Everything is nonlinear, to some extent.

I am asking about the "magic". How does something "magical" create earthquakes?

Aurora, influenced by solar storms, have been around long, long before HAARP existed. Solar storms dump more energy into the ionosphere then HAARP ever could. Your statement implies that every solar storm should produce earthquakes. I know of no corelation between auroral activity and earthquakes.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
it doesn't.

haarp is a lame excuse.

it makes sense, but that's only because people aren't willing to believe in the paranormal.

after march 20th people should be thinking differently.
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why march 20th
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And...the History channel says that HAARP is used to manipulate the jet stream, attributing to climate change/warfare.

Just my two cents...
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And...the History channel says that HAARP is used to manipulate the jet stream, attributing to climate change/warfare.

Just my two cents...
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Don't see how. IF all the energy of HAARP could be used to heat the region of the jet stream we are talking about less than a 0.1 degress celsius change in temperature. It actually would be a very inefficient process.

You people seem to think that 3.6 megawatts is a big number. It really isn't. IF all of the energy of HAARP is distributed over 1 square kilometer then the power receive is 3.6 watts per square meter. By comparison, the Sun delivers 1366 watts per square meter.

The two IFs in the above are very big. HAARP cannot deliver all of its power. The power losses are very high. Also, 1 square kilometer is really very small and HAARP's antenna pattern distributes power to hundreds of square kilometers.

HAARP excites a bunch of atoms in the ionosphere until they glow, that is it. It doesn't have the power to do any damage to the atmosphere or cause earthquakes.
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HAARP Likely Triggered a 7.9 Magnitude Earthquake that Struck Sichuan, China (30.986 degrees N and 103.365 degrees E) at 2:28 p.m. EST on May 12, 2008.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov] (USGS quake info)

HAARP Likely Triggered an 8.8 Magnitude Earthquake that Struck off the coast of Maule, Chile (35.909 degrees S, 72.733 degrees W) at 3:34 a.m. EST on Feb. 27, 2010.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov] (USGS Quake information)

A governance document entered in the Official Journal of Communications for the European Parliament dated January 28, 1999 is specified as relating to Environment, Security, and Foreign Affairs and is entitled Resolution on Environment, Security and Foreign Policy. This European Parliament governance document cites the HAARP facility in Alaska as the result of research conducted by the global military sector for the purpose of employing environmental manipulation as a weapon.
[link to www.scribd.com] (in Spanish, pertinent excerpts follow)

In an article entitled Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use, developed from his book The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction:Owning the Weather for Military Use, Professor Michel Chossudovsky defines environmental warfare as: the intentional modification or manipulation of the natural ecology, such as climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, as part of strategic or tactical war.
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

In a future study conducted in 1995-1996 for the U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff that is devoted to describing the capabilities of the USAF in 2025, there is a document entitled Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025. In this separate module, section headings include the following: [link to csat.au.af.mil]

Why Would We Want to Mess with the Weather?
What Do We Mean by “Weather-modification”?
The Global Weather Network
Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations
Concept of Operations
Precipitation
Fog
Storms
Exploitation of “NearSpace” for Space Control
Opportunities Afforded by Space Weather-modification
Communications Dominance via Ionospheric Modification
Artificial Weather
Concept of Operations Summary

The excerpts that follow indicate that as of 1999 the European Parliament recognizes that employing environmental manipulation as a weapon is an area of research in the post-Cold War global military sector and the HAARP military (USAF) research facility in Alaska is specifically named. Selected sections of this European Council document translated from Spanish to English are what follow.

Translated from Spanish (excerpts)
C128/92 ES
Thursday, January 28, 1999
Official Journal of Communications
Environment, Security and Foreign Affairs
The European Parliament
Resolution on Environment, Security and Foreign Policy

Having the draft resolution presented by Mrs. Rehn on the potential use of military resources for environmental strategies (B4-0551/95).

Having the records of the United Nations for the potential uses of resources allocated to military activities for civilian efforts in protection of the environment (UN A46/364, September 17, 1991).

Having the hearing on the HAARP program and nonlethal weapons held by the Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament at the Foreign Affairs Commission in Brussels on February 5, 1998.

A. Noting that the end of the cold war has substantially changed the geopolitical situation security and military detente has led to a considerable disarmament in the military field in general and in the field of nuclear weapons in particular, which has been a significant reduction in defense budgets,

B. Whereas, despite this complete transformation of the geostrategic situation since the end of the cold war durability of the global environment, particularly biodiversity, both as regards accidental activation (unauthorized nuclear weapons) and authorized use of nuclear weapons, nuclear fear though unfounded, with a threat of imminent attack,

C. Whereas this risk could be significantly reduced within a very short time if all states that possess a nuclear arsenal quickly implement the six measures included in the report of the Canberra Commission concerning in particular the withdrawal of all nuclear weapons the current red alert device and the gradual transfer of all arms to the strategic reserve

D. Whereas the artıcle of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) 1996 commits all parties to “pursue negotiations in good faith based on a treaty of general and complete disarmament”
and that the principles and objectives adopted at the NPT Conference 1995 reaffirmed that the ultimate objective of the Treaty was the complete elimination of nuclear weapons,

E. Noting that environmental threats, refugee flows, ethnic clashes, terrorism and international crime are new and serious threats to safety and that changing the security situation is becoming an ever more important capacity to face various forms of conflict,

F. Noting that the Earth's resources are being used as if they were endless and this has produced a higher frequency of natural and environmental disasters, and noting also that these local and regional ecological problems may have important implications for international relations, and regretting that this has not been reflected more clearly in the policy,

G. Whereas the conflicts in the world are predominantly intra-State conflicts rather than between States, and when conflicts arise between States, they are increasingly related to access to basic life resources or their availability, especially water, food, and fuel,

J. Whereas, according to detailed results of international research and publishedduhs by the Climate Institute in Washington, the number of "environmental refugees" currently exceeds the number of 'traditional refugees' (25 million vs. 22 million) and this number is expected to double by the year 2010 or, in worst cases, become even larger,

M. Whereas there is an urgent need to mobilize adequate resources to meet environmental challenges and noting that the resources available for environmental protection are very limited forcing a new thinking in relation to the use of existing resources,

N. Noting that, while military resources are released, the military offered the opportunity only to contribute their enormous capacity to civilian efforts to meet the growing environmental problems,

O. Noting that military resources are national resources and the environmental challenge is overall, that therefore there is need to find ways of international cooperation,

R. Whereas, despite the existing conventions, research in the military sector continues based on the environmental manipulation as a weapon, as sets, for example,
the manifest-based HAARP system in Alaska,

S. Whereas the general concern about environmental degradation and environmental crises call priorities in national decision-making and that all nations should respond effectively to environmental disasters,

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In the excerpts from the European Parliament governance document, the European Parliament refers the “environmental challenge”.

Importantly, from multiple sources of information that are readily available to the public, from the perspective of actual New World Order (NWO) global rulers (Rothschilds and Rockefellars and other Bildeberger world bankers) the “environmental challenge” referred to in this governance document is the fact that the world population is much, much too large and must be reduced by NINTY-FVE percent by 2050.

The NWO agenda to significantly reduce the size of the global population is, in fact, one of the integral aims of the centuries-old goal of attaining one world governmental dominance by the ruling banking and political elite (the oligarchs).

Here are 3 examples of the NWO’s aim to drastically reduce the world population:

“UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt”
The Sunday Times March 22, 2009
By Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague
“UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt”

Jonathan Porritt, one of UK Prime minister Gordon Brown's leading green (environmental) advisers specified in a recent report that by the year 2025 the European population must be reduced by more than half (from a current ~64 million) to 30 million.

“The Population Control Agenda Behind The Global Warming Movement: For The Environmental Extremists At Copenhagen Population Reduction Is The “Cheapest” Way To Reduce Carbon Emissions”

Posted in Eugenics, World Government 12-15-09
[link to thetruthwins.com]


Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
[link to www.ipcc.ch]
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is the leading body for the assessment of climate change, established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences.

[link to www.ipcc.ch]
The IPCC is open to all member countries of the United Nations (UN) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). There are at present 194 countries.

GLOBAL WARMING HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN AS A HOAX BUT STILL THE IPCC CONTINURES ITS “AGENDA”.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT THE GOAL OF THE IPCC/UN, THE GOAL IS MASSIVE GLOBAL POPULATION ELIMINATION TO RESERVE THE USE OF A RENEWED EARTH FOR THE GLOBAL OLIGARCHICAL ELITES.

MILITARY USE OF HAARP IS DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE GLOBAL POPULATION BY KILLING PEOPLE IN 3rd WORLD NATIONS WHILE ALLOWING TAKEOVER OF THE AFFECTED NATIONS' GOVERNANCE FOR WHAT APPEARS TO BE HUMANITARIAN INTENTIONS WITH THE PURPOSE OF STEALING THAT NATION'S NATURAL RESOURCES (especially OIL, NATURAL GAS, and PRECIOUS METALS like GOLD and SILVER, but also INCLUDING COPPER, IRIDIUM, and YELLOW CAKE URANIUM).

The UN-backed military coup in Niger about a month ago makes available significant gold and yellow cake uranium resources.

The Haiti earthquake on Jan. 12, 2010 makes available a vast little known supply of oil and natural gas as well as huge deposits of gold, silver, copper, and iridium.

The Chile earthquake on Feb. 27, 2010 futher destabilizes the geopolitical climate in South America and makes available vast natural deposits of copper. Chile is one of the world's largest producers of copper.

Venezuela is the likely next target in the Caribbean/South American region as it has vast oil reserves and the U.S. will now have military bases in Haiti as well as Columbia.
Conquest of Haiti, partnership with Columbia, and takeover of Venezuela will make possible the invasion of Cuba for its vast oil reserves.

WAKE UP PEOPLE---THE AMERICAN EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS COMPLETELY USURPED BY THE GLOBAL BANKING ELITE (the Oligarchs) IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY ORCHESTRATED THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK AND GOT AWAY WITH IT.

OBAMA IS A PUPPET OF THE BILDEGERGER GLOBAL BANKING CARTEL WHICH IS THE CENTRAL GROUP THAT COMPRISES THE OLIGARCHS. THIS CARTEL IS WHO ORCHESTRATED (PURPOSELY BROUGHT ON) THE FINANCIAL CRASH OF THE US FINANCIAL MARKETS ON SEPT. 19, 2008.

THIS IS THE CARTEL THAT IS PRESENTLY HOLDING THE US CONGRESS HOSTAGE WITH THREATS TO AGAIN CRASH THE US FINANCIAL MARKET AND MAKE THE US DOLLAR WOTH ZERO OVER A PERIOD OF A FEW DAYS.

OBAMA's PURPOSE IS TO TAKEOVER ALL ASPECTS OF THE US ECONOMY. HE IS WELL ON HIS WAY OF ACCOMPLISHING THAT GOAL. IF THE HEALTHCARE REFORM BILL PASSES THE HOUSE AND THE CAP AND TRADE BILL PASSES BOTH HOUSES, OBAMA'S DESIGNATED ROLE IN USHERING IN THE NWO IN THE US WILL HAVE BEEN ATTAINED.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

WAKE UP!
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
If HAARP can cause an earthquake, I think it would have to be something like this: HAARP heats the atmosphere above it's location causing layers of air to rise and seperate. Long enough exposure and a hole is created in the atmosphere. The hole is driven by uppper layer winds and allows neutrinos directly through the atmosphere, heating the bedrock, mantle and core along it's way.

Pretty far fetched IMO.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
HAARP Likely Triggered a 7.9 Magnitude Earthquake that Struck Sichuan, China (30.986 degrees N and 103.365 degrees E) at 2:28 p.m. EST on May 12, 2008.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov] (USGS quake info)

HAARP Likely Triggered an 8.8 Magnitude Earthquake that Struck off the coast of Maule, Chile (35.909 degrees S, 72.733 degrees W) at 3:34 a.m. EST on Feb. 27, 2010.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov] (USGS Quake information)

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Which it amazing since HAARP was not transmitting on either of those days and hasn't transmitted since Feb 14th of this year, almost 2 weeks before the Chile earthquake.
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Re: How does HAARP cause earthquakes?
If HAARP can cause an earthquake, I think it would have to be something like this: HAARP heats the atmosphere above it's location causing layers of air to rise and seperate. Long enough exposure and a hole is created in the atmosphere. The hole is driven by uppper layer winds and allows neutrinos directly through the atmosphere, heating the bedrock, mantle and core along it's way.

Pretty far fetched IMO.
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HAARP can't cause earthquakes or change the weather.

The atmosphere does not stop neutrinos so making a hole would make absolutely no difference. Not much of anything stops a neutrino. You would need about a ten lightyears of lead to make sure you can stop a neutrino. So moving a few molecules of water out of the way would make no difference.

The temperature increase from HAARP in the upper atmosphere is less than 0.1 degrees. Not a lot of heating.

HAARP excits atoms in the ionosphere and causes them to glow. Nothing different then what occurs in a neon light. Neon lights do not cause earthquakes. After that, there isn't enough energy left over to do anything else.

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