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IF TRUE THIS IS HUGE - US PONDERING NOT SUPPLYING ISRAEL WEAPONS IT NEEDS FOR IRAN

 
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US ponders denying Israel arms needed for conflict with Iran


Prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu convened his inner cabinet Saturday night, March 12, to discuss the spiraling crisis with Washington and his first response.

debkafile's military and Washington sources report: The Obama administration is considering withholding from Israel military items urgently needed in case of a flare-up of hostilities with Iran. This would further ratchet up the mounting row over Israel's decision to build another 1,600 homes in E. Jerusalem.

The requests were filed by defense minister Ehud Barak as recently as Feb. 26, when he visited Washington and met defense secretary Robert Gates and secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

In an exceptionally harsh phone call to Netanyahu Friday, March, Clinton herself hinted at this possibility while administering a dressing-down on the East Jerusalem housing decision and its announcement during Vice president Joe Biden's visit.

Reporting on that phone call, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley disclosed: "The secretary said she could not understand how this happened, particularly in light of the United States' strong commitment to Israel's security."

Washington correspondents interpreted this as a threat to withhold items vital for Israel's security unless the prime minister reversed that decision (which Palestinians now demand as the precondition for resuming peace talks).

Our military sources report that the Barak arms list is tailored to a potential four-front offensive against Israel launched by Iran and its allies. It includes systems needed by the Israeli Air Force, certain types of missiles and advanced electronic equipment.

During his last visit, the defense minster complained the list had been pending in Washington for more than three months and the sands for a possible conflict were running out fast. He stressed that it was essential for these items to reach Israel before a flare-up occurred.

The urgency was such that he suggested that if they could not be supplied to Israel at short notice, they should at least be held ready meanwhile in the emergency stores of the US bases in Israel's Negev.

Gates promised Barak to study the list and let him have his answer in the coming days, but none has so far been received.

Some circles in the United States and many in Israel say the Obama administration is blowing the crisis up with deliberate intent.

American-Jewish criticism was led Saturday night by the Anti-Defamation League's Abraham Foxman, who issued this statement: "We are shocked and stunned at the Administration’s tone and public dressing down of Israel on the issue of future building in Jerusalem
Defense sources in Washington reported Saturday the view that the Obama administration, which has never cultivated warm relations with the Netanyahu government, has seized on the Jerusalem housing spat as a device for restraining Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear sites, a step which the White House strenuously opposes.

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Has this already been posted?

I'm surprised no one is discussing it, if it"s true it makes me wonder what this "diplomatic row" is really about...

Maybe Israel is getting ready and the US will finally put it's foot down and we can all avoid war.

I know there is a lot of doomers on this site, but to me this is the greatest news I've heard all week!
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uh how about they already did?

stupid thread
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doesn't the US provide $7million per day to Israel in "military aid". DOes this mean the US are going to discontinue this contract?
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Has this already been posted?

I'm surprised no one is discussing it, if it"s true it makes me wonder what this "diplomatic row" is really about...

Maybe Israel is getting ready and the US will finally put it's foot down and we can all avoid war.

I know there is a lot of doomers on this site, but to me this is the greatest news I've heard all week!
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It would be nice if war is avoided...
Not to mention Israel might feel "forced" to use nukes against Iran.
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I have a feeling somethings going on back-stage. All some kind of facade.
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



I couldn't disagree with you more, a war between Israel and Iran would be absolutely devastating to both, and would leave those Israeli's that you like so much completely annihilated.

Iran isn't tough enough to fight a large scale battle, and they would lose, but I have a feeling they would take a hell of a lot of Israel with them before they went.

It would cause endless war, remember during the Iraq war when Iran was giving children little plastic keys and running them through minefields to clear them for troops?

That's the kind of shit they are capable of, can you imagine what they might be capable of when it's Israel on the other side of the minefield?

Hit Iran and watch the pro-western dictators fall one by one and the Muslims pile into Israel like a swarm of angry bees...

I'm telling you, if you are a friend of the Israeli's, the best thing you could do is want some other solution to the problem than war.

Any solution, a revolution, fund a coup, ANYTHING.

Just not that...

I do NOT want to see that war, it uncork the whole world.
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obooboo is screwing with fire here...........

this is the stuff that can get u....
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...

Obama = Muslim and will defend / protect Muslim Terrorists....

This is fucking crazy...
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wtf Because Israel are terrorist as much as we are. We need to cut all ties with the evil Jews.
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U.S. Gave Israel Green Light For East Jerusalem Construction

The apology offered by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Interior Minister Eli Yishai recalls the joke about the servant who pinched the king’s bottom. En route to the gallows, the servant apologized: He thought it was the queen’s bottom.

The statement issued by Netanyahu’s bureau said that in light of the ongoing dispute between Israel and the United States over construction in East Jerusalem, the plans for new housing in the Ramat Shlomo neighborhood should not have been approved this particular week. It also said the premier had ordered Yishai to draft procedures that would prevent a recurrence. In other words, Yishai is welcome to submit more plans for Jewish construction in East Jerusalem next week, when U.S. Vice President Joe Biden will no longer be here.

Based on Biden’s reaction, it seems that he (and, presumably, his boss) has decided that it is better to leave with a few sour grapes than to quarrel with the vineyard guard. In his speech at Tel Aviv University, he said he appreciated Netanyahu’s pledge that there would be no recurrence. But what exactly does that mean? That next time he comes, the Planning and Building Committee will be asked to defer discussion of similar plans until the honored guest has left?

With the media storm dying down, Netanyahu can breathe a sigh of relief.

In a sense, the uproar actually helped him: To wipe the spit off his face, Biden had to say it was only rain. Therefore, he lauded Netanyahu’s assertion that actual construction in Ramat Shlomo would begin only in another several years.

Thus Israel essentially received an American green light for approving even more building plans in East Jerusalem.

Biden might not know it, but the Palestinians certainly remember that this is exactly how East Jerusalem’s Har Homa neighborhood began: Then, too, Netanyahu persuaded the White House that construction would begin only in another several years.

When Biden arrived, the Arab League had just recommended that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas accede to Washington’s proposal for indirect talks with Israel.

But instead of being able to leave with an announcement that the talks have officially begun, Biden is leaving with the news that the Arab League has suspended its recommendation.

Netanyahu can thus hope that the Ramat Shlomo imbroglio has deferred the moment of truth when he must reveal his interpretation of “two states for two peoples.” And just in case anyone failed to realize how impartial a mediator the U.S. is, Biden said in his Tel Aviv speech that the U.S. has “no better friend” than Israel.

For Netanyahu, the cherry on top was that the onus for advancing the negotiations has now been put on the Arab states – just two weeks before the Arab League summit in Tripoli, where the league’s 2002 peace initiative will again be up for discussion. For months, U.S. President Barack Obama has been trying to persuade Arab leaders not to disconnect this important initiative from life support. His argument is that nothing would make Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad happier than a final blow-up of the peace process and the outbreak of a third intifada. And his joy would be redoubled if the fire started in Jerusalem.

But while the U.S. may be papering over the rift for now, Western diplomats said the bill will come due once the talks with the PA begin (assuming they do). The U.S. has already said it will submit bridging proposals of its own during these talks, and its anger and frustration over the Ramat Shlomo incident are likely to make it far more sympathetic to the Palestinians’ positions, the diplomats said.

For instance, Netanyahu wants security issues to top the talks’ agenda, an Israeli source said. But the Palestinians want the first issue to be borders, including in Jerusalem.

And the European Union, which had planned to upgrade various agreements with Israel this week in honor of the resumed talks, has now postponed the upgrade until it becomes clear whether the talks will in fact take place

[link to www.politicaltheatrics.net]
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obooboo is screwing with fire here...........

this is the stuff that can get u....
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Suicided.
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yep this is bad for Obama
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doesn't the US provide $7million per day to Israel in "military aid". DOes this mean the US are going to discontinue this contract?
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According to the article it is specific system that the US is holding back that Israel feels it needs for an attack on Iran.

It says - "certain types of missiles and advanced electronic equipment"

Sounds like Israel is wanting a specific thing and is not getting it.
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...

Obama = Muslim and will defend / protect Muslim Terrorists....

This is fucking crazy...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



I heard the other day a journalist talking on TV...he said, and he is right:


Israel will find herself totally alone in the world to deal with Iran threat.

Is true
Israel is already alone.
But the threat is for the whole ME....who will take care of it?
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I couldn't disagree with you more, a war between Israel and Iran would be absolutely devastating to both, and would leave those Israeli's that you like so much completely annihilated.

Iran isn't tough enough to fight a large scale battle, and they would lose, but I have a feeling they would take a hell of a lot of Israel with them before they went.

It would cause endless war, remember during the Iraq war when Iran was giving children little plastic keys and running them through minefields to clear them for troops?

That's the kind of shit they are capable of, can you imagine what they might be capable of when it's Israel on the other side of the minefield?

Hit Iran and watch the pro-western dictators fall one by one and the Muslims pile into Israel like a swarm of angry bees...

I'm telling you, if you are a friend of the Israeli's, the best thing you could do is want some other solution to the problem than war.

Any solution, a revolution, fund a coup, ANYTHING.

Just not that...

I do NOT want to see that war, it uncork the whole world.



This war is going to be fought one way or another..

Muslims want to dominate the world..

What part of that don't you understand?

You yourself admit they are barbaric savages capable of anything...

Better we should wait and let them get stronger before confronting their crazed push for world domination?

I think not..
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HAHA dude what world are you living in? "Muslims want to dominate the world.." They want to be left alone with there culture not take over the world. Stop believing in thew propaganda. sheep
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doesn't the US provide $7million per day to Israel in "military aid". DOes this mean the US are going to discontinue this contract?



According to the article it is specific system that the US is holding back that Israel feels it needs for an attack on Iran.

It says - "certain types of missiles and advanced electronic equipment"

Sounds like Israel is wanting a specific thing and is not getting it.
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ahh thanks for the reply

cheers
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More posturing..I suspect they have already been supplied.
Just my HO.
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When we abandon Israel, we are finished.
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HAHA dude what world are you living in? "Muslims want to dominate the world.." They want to be left alone with there culture not take over the world. Stop believing in thew propaganda. sheep



you're a fucking idiot

they don't want to be left alone

they want to convert the world to islam and they will KILL YOU if you refuse..

this is the TRUE HEART OF ISLAM..

do some research on their holy books..

here maybe this can get you started:




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 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Please go get a life fool. Its the same shit with every other religion. Remember we invaded over there first.
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Nobody is talking about it because it's fucking Debka. Debka is a good source to check out.. but it ALWAYS needs to be verified.

Someone once mentioned they were a Mossad disinfo site.. entirely plausible IMHO, but they have on occasion broken stuff early.
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us pondering not supplying weapons...


now that would be a rise in consciousness...


or some kind of miracle.


:)


imagine world peace and it is so.


thank you
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HAHA dude what world are you living in? "Muslims want to dominate the world.." They want to be left alone with there culture not take over the world. Stop believing in thew propaganda. sheep



you're a fucking idiot

they don't want to be left alone

they want to convert the world to islam and they will KILL YOU if you refuse..

this is the TRUE HEART OF ISLAM..

do some research on their holy books..

here maybe this can get you started:




[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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HAHA Fox News is your source? LMAO
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...

Obama = Muslim and will defend / protect Muslim Terrorists....

This is fucking crazy...



I heard the other day a journalist talking on TV...he said, and he is right:


Israel will find herself totally alone in the world to deal with Iran threat.

Is true
Israel is already alone.
But the threat is for the whole ME....who will take care of it?



you're not alone

I'm with you

and so are a lot of people around the world..

those who have seen the true heart of islam MUST stand with Israel...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^




hugs thanks..
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While this pisses me off it does not surprise me.

What happened to all the talking heads who stated before the election that Obama would never abandon Israel. Then adding Rahm will make sure of that.

What a crock of shit.
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...



I couldn't disagree with you more, a war between Israel and Iran would be absolutely devastating to both, and would leave those Israeli's that you like so much completely annihilated.

Iran isn't tough enough to fight a large scale battle, and they would lose, but I have a feeling they would take a hell of a lot of Israel with them before they went.

It would cause endless war, remember during the Iraq war when Iran was giving children little plastic keys and running them through minefields to clear them for troops?

That's the kind of shit they are capable of, can you imagine what they might be capable of when it's Israel on the other side of the minefield?

Hit Iran and watch the pro-western dictators fall one by one and the Muslims pile into Israel like a swarm of angry bees...

I'm telling you, if you are a friend of the Israeli's, the best thing you could do is want some other solution to the problem than war.

Any solution, a revolution, fund a coup, ANYTHING.

Just not that...

I do NOT want to see that war, it uncork the whole world.
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isn't that the plan endless war in the middle east. look at the problems in yemen being exploited to further the war effort.
The MIC need endless war for their balance sheets.

Very Sad but Very True.
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HAHA dude what world are you living in? "Muslims want to dominate the world.." They want to be left alone with there culture not take over the world. Stop believing in thew propaganda. sheep



you're a fucking idiot

they don't want to be left alone

they want to convert the world to islam and they will KILL YOU if you refuse..

this is the TRUE HEART OF ISLAM..

do some research on their holy books..

here maybe this can get you started:




[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



He is an HERO!
The best spy Israel ever had.
"Its over. I will always speak to you, and I don't mind if you don't say anything. Just because you went away, it doesn't mean you're not here anymore. Perhaps all I ever needed was this gift, the one you gave to me at the end.
I love you."

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This war is going to be fought one way or another..

Muslims want to dominate the world..

What part of that don't you understand?

You yourself admit they are barbaric savages capable of anything...

Better we should wait and let them get stronger before confronting their crazed push for world domination?

I think not..
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



I also think the same thing can be said about Israel, and frankly America itself, no offense, but when it comes to barbaric savages there are plenty to go around.

I honestly don't want any one of them dominating my life, but I honestly believe Iran will never attack Israel, and would continue to build their proxies around them until a MAD situation is reached, and I think it is the best the world can hope for.

I believe in MAD, and I think it is the only thing that will keep the peace in that region in the end, Israel is just as batshit, and I think they need another regional superpower to keep them in check.

MAD.

It's working in India/Pakistan, it worked for Russia/U.S.A, it's working for North and South Korea...

It's tried, tested and true, it works.

I think that given enough time Iran will arm it's proxies enough to reach a MAD stage with Israel, with or without nukes anyway, and hitting them only prolongs that and drives them to do more of it, so what is the point anyway?

What happens 20 years from now?

You think Iran isn't going to just rebuild and encircle Israel more than it is anyway?

------------------------

I say do two things.

Funnel the arms money into Iranian freedom groups and let them take over from the inside.

And for God sakes, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, get your damn country back and show the Iranians what it's like to live in real freedom and they will look at you and want it so bad they will emulate it.

This is the best thing the US could do to "spread democracy" is actually LIVE IT!

This is what made you so great in the past, go back to it for Christ sake.
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I have a feeling somethings going on back-stage. All some kind of facade.
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+10000000
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The US has created one or two HUGE ammo dumps in Israel ostensibly to provide 'support' for the US in Iraq/Afghanistan. Unspoken is that Israel will be allowed access for whatever it needs to defend itself. But since they essentially control the US Government via blackmail and coercion they should be REALLY afraid that a rogue 'nuke' has not been placed on their soil. Muchlike the Israeli Embassy in NYC was decalred a 'nuclear hotspot' shortly after 9/11.
Besides, why do they need more? If as they say 'God' is truly on their side then they will win no matter what. Or perhaps 'God' has another plan for them. After all man plans and God laughs. Really people zionism makes communism look good by comparison and you MUST understand that all socalled 'communist' countries are really socialist because 'equality' has been deleted from the agenda.
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HAHA dude what world are you living in? "Muslims want to dominate the world.." They want to be left alone with there culture not take over the world. Stop believing in thew propaganda. sheep



you're a fucking idiot

they don't want to be left alone

they want to convert the world to islam and they will KILL YOU if you refuse..

this is the TRUE HEART OF ISLAM..

do some research on their holy books..

here maybe this can get you started:




[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]



He is an HERO!
The best spy Israel ever had.
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


I think you guys took a little to much HARP radiation. Israel is the problem and is costing the US way to much money to support there terrorist ass.
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This is a very slippery slope we are walking here..

How could we turn our backs on Israel like that?

So wrong...

Obama = Muslim and will defend / protect Muslim Terrorists....

This is fucking crazy...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Because there is finally some even-handedness in the White House and we simply don't just rubber stamp everything Israel does...somehow that's protecting Muslim Terrorists?

Now that's fucking crazy. Wake up. Not everything is as black and white as you want it to be.

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