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they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...

 
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they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
but they don't say "homosexuals"...



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Child abuse claims sweep Catholic Church in Europe
Sat Mar 13, 11:40 am ET

DUBLIN – It often starts as a voice in the wilderness, but can swell into an entire nation's demand for truth. From Ireland to Germany, Europe's many victims of child abuse in the Roman Catholic church are finally breaking social taboos and confronting the clergy to face its demons.

Ireland was the first in Europe to confront the church's worldwide custom of shielding pedophile priests from the law and public scandal. Now that legacy of suppressed childhood horror is being confronted in other parts of the Continent — nowhere more poignantly than in Germany, the homeland of Pope Benedict XVI.

The recent spread of claims into the Netherlands, Austria and Italy has analysts and churchmen wondering how deep the scandal runs, which nation will be touched next, and whether a tide of lawsuits will force European dioceses to declare bankruptcy like their American cousins.

"You have to presume that the cover-up of abuse exists everywhere, to one extent or another. A new case could appear in a new country tomorrow," said David Quinn, director of a Christian think tank, the Iona Institute, that seeks to promote family values in an Ireland increasingly cool to Catholicism.

Quinn noted that stories of systemic physical, sexual and emotional abuse circulated privately in Irish society for decades, but only moved aboveground in the mid-1990s when former altar boy Andrew Madden and orphanage survivor Christine Buckley went public with lawsuits and exposes of how priests and nuns tormented them with impunity.

Floodgates opened for Irish complaints that have topped 15,000 in this country of 4 million. Three government-ordered investigations have shocked and disgusted the nation, which has footed most of the bill to settle legal claims topping euro1 billion (nearly $1.5 billion).

"A lot comes down to: When does that first victim gather the courage to come forward into the spotlight?" Quinn said. "It seems to take that trigger event, the lone voice who says what so many kept silent so long. That's basically happening now in Germany. It could happen next in Spain, Poland, anywhere."

In January, an elite Jesuit school in Berlin declared it was aware of seven child-abuse cases in its past and appointed an outside investigator, Ursula Raue, to seek testimony. Within weeks, she had gathered stories of long-suppressed woe from more than 100 ex-students abused by their Jesuit masters, and from 60 molested by parish priests.

"I always thought that at some point the wave would reach us," said Petra Dorsch-Jungsberger, a commentator on Catholic affairs and retired University of Munich communications professor.

She credited heavy German media coverage of the latest Irish abuse scandal — a November report into decades of cover-up in the Dublin Archdiocese involving approximately 170 priests — with inspiring similar soul-searching in Germany.

"Once the door had been opened, then many others felt they were able to step up and say: That happened to us too," she said.

In recent weeks, new German abuse claims have surfaced on a near-daily basis and spread to Pope Benedict's Bavarian heartland and the Regensberg boys' choir long directed by the pope's brother. Benedict was Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger of Munich from 1977 to 1982, and questions now focus on what role, if any, the pontiff, played in handing pedophile priests to new parishes rather than to the law.

A Swiss abbot said in an interview published Saturday that 60 people have reported being victims of abuse by Catholic priests in Switzerland.

Abbot Martin Werlen of the Benedictine Abbey of Einsiedeln told Swiss daily Aargauer Zeitung that the allegations were reported to the Swiss Bishops Conference, which is investigating them.

The Vatican on Saturday denounced what it called aggressive attempts to drag Pope Benedict XVI into the spreading scandals of pedophile priests in his German homeland, and contended he has long confronted abuse cases with courage.

In separate interviews, both the Holy See's spokesman and its prosecutor for sex abuse of minors by clergy sought to defend the pope.

"It's rather clear that in the last days, there have been those who have tried, with a certain aggressive persistence, in Regensburg and Munich, to look for elements to personally involve the Holy Father in the matter of abuses," Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi told Vatican Radio.

It's inevitable that all bishops of the day, including Ratzinger, handled abuse complaints against priests in-house, said the Rev. Fergus O'Donoghue, editor of the Irish Jesuit journal Studies.

"The pope was no different to any other bishop at time. The church policy was to keep it all quiet — to help people, but to avoid scandal. Avoiding scandal was a huge issue for the church," he said. "Of course there was cover-up," he added. But worse was "the systematic lack of concern for the victims."

In the Netherlands, a former Catholic boarding-school abuse victim is leading a campaign for accountability. Bert Smeets, 58, has formed Mea Culpa, a victims group that has collected testimony from hundreds of abuse victims and is mulling a class-action lawsuit against the Dutch church.

The church has apologized to the victims and set up an inquiry headed by a former government minister, a Protestant. Smeets dismisses that effort as "a typical Vatican cover-up." He said the pressure on the church came from aggressive investigations into abuse in Ireland and the U.S.

In other predominantly Catholic areas of Europe, child-abuse scandals have tarnished individual priests and even a Polish archbishop, but have not mushroomed into a mass movement. In Spain, more than a dozen priests have been convicted of child abuse in recent decades and two potentially larger-scale cases are attracting attention.

Ireland was until relatively recently the most enthusiastically Catholic country in Europe. Its half-dozen seminaries exported priests worldwide. All but one of those seminaries is closed now, illustrating the rapid falloff in Mass attendance as the economy has advanced and secularism has spread.

Quinn, the Dublin think-tank director, noted that a few Irish dioceses are openly warning that they're struggling to pay bills stemming from abuse claims. In the southeast diocese of Kells, the archbishop's house has had to be remortgaged.

"The church is asset-rich but cash-poor," Quinn said, noting that it's the biggest property owner in Ireland but has comparatively little cash in the bank. He said the Vatican, too, has less money on tap than resides in the endowment fund of a typical top-tier U.S. university.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
READ.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
No shit
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
a whole bunch of men

in positions of power and authority

and "in the name of God"

that suck little boys dicks and fuck them up the ass


not a few isolated incidents

hundreds and thousands

a culture of hiding, accomodating and instituting the frequent and common practice of sodomy


gay men fucking little boys

"in the name of God."
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
in the Roman Catholic church
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Because it isn't just boys being abused and some of the pedo's are switch hitters.

I know that some people want to make this a gay issue, but the facts show that sexual preference amongst pedophiles is less important to many than opportunity and the age of the victim.

Boys got hit more often because the Priests had more access to boys for longer periods of time unsupervised.

While sexual orientation may play some roll in target selection, it is not the main factor by any means.

Focusing on this as a "Gay" issue will leave out about a third of the abused that happen to be girls.

The facts are: Gay men that molest little boys, sometimes molest little girls too.

"Strait" men (who in adults would only ever have sex with a woman) will sometimes molest boys.

People that do not molest children, don't molest children of either gender and their orientation doesn't matter.

People that DO molest children will often switch between genders, regardless of their preferences otherwise.

Those factors are why it is not being pointed out as a gay issue I think.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
and there is always somebody to pop up and try to say this isn't about gays...

but it is

that's the point

of course there are lots of straight heterosexual child molesters that have abused little girls

of course

thanks for the breaking news

but my point is

there is an intentional effort to avoid and deny the obvious in the case of

gay men routinely fucking little boys up the ass in the Catholic Church
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
It is MEN fucking little BOYS

over and over and over

and someone will try to say it's not GAY...
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
and it's in the synagogues

and it's in Washington

and it's in Hollywood

and it's in other churches

It is a Spirit of our times.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
It is MEN fucking little BOYS

over and over and over

and someone will try to say it's not GAY...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905575


The gay guys I know would not abuse children, just as most straight guys wouldn't fuck little girls.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Of course not. Most people, gay or straight, do not sexually abuse children.
I agree.
We agree.
Anyone disagree?

Strange how many people really intentionally want not to say what this is.
They'll say anything else.
Anything else.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Celebrate diversity.
Hate is not a family value.
Focus own your own damn family.
Tolerance.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
It is not just catholic priests ,but religious leaders of all faiths,as well as secular leaders.

but not all,there are very devout religious people who would and do condemn theses actions.
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Where is the outrage from ordinary Catholics?
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Hey OP, I understand what you are saying.It's a very hidden part of society, raping boys, and everything about it is hidden. How many rape crisis centers do you know that treat boys? How many people even talked about this until priests were mentioned a few years ago.
IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM for all societies, just breaking through consciousness these past few years. We have a way to go. Keep talkin
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Just regular people who go to Catholic Church

faithful believers

Why don't any of you say anything?

Are you unwilling to speak
or afraid to speak?
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Re: they say "child abuse" and "pedophile priests"...
Where is the outrage from ordinary Catholics?
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You know, I really don't understand this. I think Catholics are so convinced it's the only true faith that they think leaving and joining a Protestant church wouldn't be worth it. If this happened in the Baptist church, people would just leave and become Methodists or something. There are lots of religions to choose from that don't have reports of thousands of cases of child abuse. Just sayin.

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