- This Thread is for the Anti-Semites - The Consequences of Dividing God's Land, Jerusalem (Israel)

God Judges the Nations
Joel 3:1-17 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it. Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

God Blesses His People
Joel 3:18-21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

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Clinton breaks her elbow the day after her talks with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman concerning Israel's "Illegal" settlement building.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

'At the US-Israeli meeting, Mr Lieberman defied President Barack Obama's administration by again rejecting calls for a total freeze of Jewish settlements as a way to restart peace talks with the Palestinians.'

A Chick Bible tract pointing out the facts of the consequences of dividing God's land, Israel. It explains the issues and the results from the issues, as well as the judgment which followed. God is not pleased when people dare divide His land: [link to www.chick.com]

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Israel Wrestles with God

[link to www.youtube.com]

"Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome." (Gen 32:8)


What is so special about the Jewish people?

Why is the homeland of Israel so important and whats wrong with dividing the land?

Since most Jews don't accept Jesus why do Christians support Israel?

Are there really lost tribes?

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Error of Replacement Theology
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The Myth of Israeli Occupation
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‘In a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhse’in said:The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

 Quoting:

Abbas Admits Palestinian Arabs Not Original Inhabitants Of Israel
[link to www.normanfinkelstein.com]

Palestinian people do not exist
[link to www.wnd.com]

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Why Israel is NOT An 'Apartheid State.'

Hal Comments on the recent Israeli Apartheid Week, and the history behind it.

Jerusalem, a 'burdensome stone'

Hal Comments on the the fact that Jerusalem continues to stand as a tesitmony to the accuracy of Bible Prophecy for the last days.

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Who is ALLAH ?


Interview With Walid Shoebat Part I


Transcript

Host: Well, ladies and gentlemen, in the news, by the way, Hamas is apparently overrunning Fatah. They're quickly taking control of that entire Gaza strip. And from there, that so-called Palestinian authority will begin to unravel. It's a serious war going on - bloodthirsty war. Well, our next guest is a former Palestinian terorrist. He's now a born again Christian. He's written a fascinating new book that is entitled, quote, 'Why We Want to Kill You.' Will you please welcome to the 700 Club Walid Shoebat. It's good to have you back with us. (handshaking) It's a wonderful book, I congratulate you on it, 'Why We Want to Kill You.' You know, the Western commentators say, "Well, these people are poor, they're brought up in sub-standard conditions; and they envy the West, and they're angry because of the Western affluence, and therefore they want to protest. Is that why they blow themselves up?

Shoebat: If the reason, for suicide bombing, is poverty and lack of hope -- hopelessness, why would you never find, in the Palestinian areas, Christians who commit suicide bombings? The argument could be, is, 'Wait a minute. Christians are not accustomed to suicide bombing.' Well, the second largest terror organization, after the PLO, is the PFLP, Popular Front to Liberate Palestine, which is ran by a Christian terrorist by the name of George Habash. Now, George Habash, his organization, whenever they need a suicide bomber, they would use a Muslim - always, 100% of the time.

Host: The Hindus don't have suicide bombers. And the Buddhists don't have suicide bombers.

Shoebat: That's a very good point. At a university speech, one professor objected to my speech. He said, the reason for terrorism is poverty. So I asked in the audience, I said, "Do we have anybody from India?" And one student said, "I'm from India." I said, "Do you guys blow yourselves up as a result of poverty in India?" He said, "You know, we have lots of poverty in India and none of us blow ourselves up, but they sure do come from Pakistan and they blow us up."

Host: (points at Shoebat's book) You showed something in here though: the promise of Islam. And there are people in here who don't believe this; the 72 virgins, and perpetual erection, and all this stuff. What do they teach? What do they say that these young men are going to get?

Shoebat: Here's the element that Westerners don't understand why this Jihad is going on, and why the killing, and why the dying: it's a message of salvation that Islam is offering. Christianity offers a message of salvation, that by the death of one person, Christ - by the drop of His blood, that we are saved. In Islam, there is no assurance of salvation. The only way one can assure himself for salvation is by their own death, by the first drop of the blood of the Martyr, he now can enter into heaven and intercede for 70 members of his family, or her family. So when my cousin Rashid got killed, my aunt Fatima had a wedding celebration. It's the law of opposite.

Host: Did she have a - your cousin was killed as a martyr, blew herself up, and they had a wedding celebration?

Shoebat: Well, he was killed before he -- he -- he was shot, Israelis figured out what he was going to do, and they kill -- he was killed. Then my aunt Fatima had a wedding celebration. This is what the Westerners don't understand: the entire community will come and join in this wedding celebration. The Friday prayer in the mosque will have a festivity for the death of the martyr. The house of the martyr becomes a museum, where the entire community flocks to visit; posters all over the street for the martyr, because now he's entered into paradise. This is the problem with Islam, is because Islam rejects the intercession of Jesus Christ. However, Islam does offer the intercession of the martyr, the intercession of a sinner.

Host: Now, he gets 72 virgins. Pure, black-eyed virgins who've never been touched by jin or man.

Shoebat: It's not just 72 virgins, Pat.

Host: It's not 72?

Shoebat: It's 72 mansions --

Host: Oh, 72 mansions!

Shoebat: And in each mansion, 72 beds; and in each bed, 72 virgins.

Host: That math staggers me.

Shoebat: 72 times 72 times 72.

Host: That guy's gonna wear himself out before he's.. (both laughing)

Shoebat: It really doesn't make any sense. But the main issue is not that, the main issue is the salvation issue. They want to be saved, and in order to be saved, you die. And because the Koran itself -- it says, "Do not think that the ones who die in the cause of Allah are dead, but are alive with Allah receiving his blessings."

Host: You know, people in America -- you point out in this book, about how we have been duped by the so-called 'moderate Muslims.' This is fundamental teaching of the Koran, and of the Islamic world, isn't it? You're not talking about some abhorrent group.

Shoebat: Absolutely! I mean, Jaffa Tyare, in the time of Muhammad, relative of the Prophet Muhammad, died in his suicide act as he attacked the enemy. And he was -- he had wings. They called him 'The Flying Jaffa.' So suicide missions was in the time of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam. The Americans are being duped with this 'moderate Islam.' There are liberal Muslims, who don't care about fundamental view of Islam. But, however, by far, the fundamentalist view of Islam -- Islamic, as a religion, has always been taught to us as Jihad. Because, when you read in the Bible about Antichrist, let's say, he honors a god of war, he honors a god of fortresses. In Islam, Allah is a god of war. He doesn't honor the desire of women; in Islam, they don't honor the desire of women either. So, it's a very Antichrist system. It attempts to change times and laws, in the Bible, regarding the Antichrist system. And if you look at Islam, what do they want to do? Change the laws of the world. So, all this interpretation that we had in the West, about -- you know, 'What is this about changing the laws?' They think it's the 'cosmos' or this -- no, it's simply what it says.

Interview With Walid Shoebat Part II


Transcript

Host: You pointed out that Allah in the Koran, am I correct in this, is actually a deceiver, that he has the attributes of Satan himself?

Shoebat: Well, the 99 names of Allah are very well known in Islam. Some of these names, if you look at them - one of the names of Allah in the Koran is 'Al-Mutakabbir' which means, 'The Most Proud One'. When I read the Bible as a Muslim, and I saw the most proud one in the Bible was Satan; or 'Al-Mumit,' The One Who Causes Death.

Host: Well, you know, I'm just writing a book - I've just finished one, on humility, and the truth is the root sin of the world is pride. (quoting a passage from the Book of Isaiah) Yeah, 'I will exalt myself upon the throne of God'.

Shoebat: That's the problem, where Muslims cannot see the truth from the Bible.

Host: But the one that they say is Allah is The Most Proud One?

Shoebat: The Most - The Most; we say 'Al-Mutakabbir'. It's the 'Al', like the Elohim. Al is The Most Proud One. So The Most Proud One is Allah.

Host: But that's really Satan!

Shoebat: Exactly. And it's worse than that; because he's the one who causes death, 'Al-Rumit;' 'Al-Mu'akhir,' The Great Deceiver. This is the names of Allah in the Koran.

Host: Wait, wait! The Great Deceiver? I mean, in America, we don't hear this!

Shoebat: In the Koran, it says: 'Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena' - you know, Allah is the Greatest of all deceivers. So, it is okay -- that is why Islam has deception in war! That's why Islam offers 'Hudna', or a peace treaty to non-Muslims, up to ten years, but they must break the peace treaty somewhere.

Host: Well the Hudna was Oslo.

Shoebat: You Americans call it the 'Oslo Peace Accord', we called it the 'Oslo Hudna Accord.' So a Hudna is a treaty - actually not a peace treaty; it's a cease fire. In Islam we are allowed a ceasefire for two reasons. Reason number one: to gain concessions; reason number two: to deceive the enemy and destroy them in the end.

Host: What about the Bush administration, Condoleezza Rice; Bush comes out and says this is a religion of peace, Condeleezza Rice has a celebration at the end of Ramadan, and honors these people, on account of this 'great religion.' Are they deceived?

Shoebat: It's a deception. I mean the Council on American-Islamic Relations; they say "we condemn terrorism." Well, what we need to do as Americans is to say, 'Wait a minute. Condemning terrorism is not a verb, it's a act.' How are you condemning terrorism by act. If you look at Islamic organizations; the American Muslim Council, all of them, by far, if you look at demonstrations, what do they say? ' Khaibar Khaibar Ya Yahud'. 'Khaibar' is where the Jews were destroyed in Saudi Arabia by the Prophet Muhammad. And they're chanting at demonstrations saying, 'Don't forget, Jews, what Muhammad the Prophet of Islam did to you in Saudi Arabia, in Khaibar, in Medina.

Host: If you want to stop Islam, what would you do?

Shoebat: We have to understand: the Islamic movement is a cancer. It is a cancer that not only will destroy itself, but it will also destroy us in the process. We must isolate the cancer, and have it destroy itself. We have to get out of oil, because that's the only reason we are so much involved in the Middle East - because of oil interests. Because oil is the wine that is causing the intoxication of the nations. And we're selling out Israel; and we're selling out on Christians, for the reason of this oil. So, if we could get off oil, get an alternate source of energy; I think both, Republicans and Democrats should be happy; both Liberals and Conservatives should be happy. Then, we could isolate the Middle East and get rid of the problem. So, I think that isolating it, and then crushing a major terror organization; because what we're doing in the West is rebuilding the confidence of Islamists. We're forcing Israel to pull out of Gaza; so we're supporting regimes that is not pro-America at all. And so, building the confidence is what we've done in the past, even in Afghanistan; we've aided the Mujahideen against the Communists, that was, in a way, a mistake.

Host: The CIA funded the Mujahideen.

Shoebat: That's right. That's right. And when they defeated Russia, guess what -- 'now we can defeat America.' And when Israel wanted to destroy Hamas - Hezbollah and Hamas - what do we say? "Israel must pull out of Lebanon." So we twisted Israel's arm to pull out of Lebanon, that built more confidence and more confidence. It's just like the stock market.

Host: And Democratic elections I remember Bush saying they had a Democratic election in the West Bank and Hamas won!

Shoebat: Hamas won. In fact, 113,000 Arabs in the Middle East were asked a question: "Do you prefer Hamas or the PLO." Pat, 73.2% chose Hamas over the PLO. What this is saying - I mean, this is a survey done by Al-Arabiya Network, an Arab institution - 113,000 Muslims chose radical Islam. And that's just not in the Palestinian areas. In Pakistan 56% want radical Islam; in Jordan, if they have elections, they will choose radical Islam; in Egypt, if you have elections, they will choose radical Islam; in Iraq - we've seen this over and over again, the rise of Islam. We see a civil war happening, now, in the Palestinian areas, in which Hamas will be victorious. I've been saying this since 1993: Lebanon will turn Muslim fundamentalist; Palestine that we're creating, a state is not a state, it is a state of psychosis, that will end up in Islamic fundamentalists. Turkey elected Muslim fundamentalist organization, they have the WFP. Turkey was the Eastern part of the Roman empire. We as Christians are awaiting the revival of a Roman empire, though we forget what has happened to the Eastern party of the Roman empire.

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Pallywood


Hezbollywood - CNN admits staging of photos by Hezbollah


Wafa Sultan Debating Islamic Cleric


Australian in Palestine account of children suicide bomers


"Kill The Jews!" Chant Muslim Children on Egyptian TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V25lGmc


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The Frightening Rise Of Anti-Semitism

Has the world now forgotten the horrifying lessons of the 1930s and 40s? The truth is that the act of terrorism by a hate-filled gunman at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. today was not an isolated incident. Rather it is just another indication of the rapidly rising tide of anti-Semitism around the world.

The Scriptures tell us that the Jewish people will be hated in the end times, but sometimes when you see the reality of that hate it can be breathtaking.

Security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns was the victim of this hate today. 88 year old James Wenneker von Brunn, apparently motivated by hatred for Jews, walked into the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. today and starting shooting. Unfortunately Stephen Tyrone Johns died while trying to perform his duty.

Already reports have surfaced that Von Brunn was a Holocaust denier and that he had a racist, anti-Semitic website.

He even wrote a book titled "Kill the Best Gentile".

This would be bad enough if it was just some isolated incident involving a psychotic nutjob.

But the reality is that we are seeing this kind of anti-Semitism all over America and all over the world.

In late May, three Americans were caught and accused of trying to blow up synagogues in New York City. Reportedly they were described by authorities as fanatics who were "eager to kill Jews".

Are all synagogues going to have to get security guards now?

Perhaps that is the reality of the world that we now live in.

The truth is that there is more anti-Semitism around the world today than there was even at the time of Hitler. That is just how bad things have gotten.

It is not just the Islamic world where hatred of Jews is widespread. Just check out a couple examples of the kinds of websites that are popping up all over the place.....

[link to www.realzionistnews.com]

[link to ww3zionism.blogspot.com]

But the anti-Semitism that we see in the western world is tame compared to the insanity we see coming from the Islamic world.

For example, the following quotes from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the state of Israel are very revealing.....



But Ahmadinejad is not alone. The reality is that Islamic leaders in the Middle East openly admit that they will never be satisfied until Israel ceases to exist and every inch of that land belongs to Islam.....



But it is not just the land of Israel they want. Just consider how hateful the following shocking comments are.....



After reading those quotes, do you still have any questions?

The world is becoming a very dark place.

When you are confronted with this kind of hatred, will you stand up against it?

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Who REALLY Controls World Politics?



Why the Jews Do Not Control the Media
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

The Knights Templar (probable originators of Freemasonry, and model upon which the Nazi Waffen-SS was founded)
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Quotes About the Jesuit Order ("Society of Jesus") from Famous People
Thread: Quotes About the Jesuit Order ("Society of Jesus") From Famous People - Vipers, Class A

The Truth about the Jesuits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RezvVlmi9o


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This is the last video you will ever need to watch in order to understand everything that has ever been deemed a conspiracy.

The New Black Pope since January 2008 is Adolpho Nicholas: [link to media.www.sjuhawknews.com]

For more info about the Jesuits and the Papacy control over the World:
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[link to www.spirituallysmart.com]
[link to www.joelbainerman.com]
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[link to www.theuniversalseduction.com]

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The Catholic-Islamic Connection

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7282213372966227768#​


This topic has puzzled numerous expositors. How does Islam fit into the picture of global conflict? Is this a political, religious, or religio-political conflict? What is its origin and what are its goals? How does it impact on ecumenism and on the doctrine of salvation in Christ? Find out in this informative video. A clear line is drawn through history, showing that the reality is more startling than the theory.


Catholicism & Islam: Ties That Bind
T.A. McMahon
The above title became a source of controversy when I used it for a talk given at a recent prophecy conference. What I found curious about the commotion was that it came from Catholics (and some evangelicals) who had yet to hear my presentation. Furthermore, the title reflects the hope and prayers of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. Rome has been tilling this "common ground" with Islam for decades, as evidenced by the 1994 Vatican publication, Recognize the Spiritual Bonds Which Unite Us: 16 Years of Christian-Muslim Dialogue. Why, therefore, would anyone be upset by my simply repeating what the Roman Catholic Church very much desires?

Actually, the real controversy stems from confusion created by the Church of Rome herself. In her zeal to be the spiritual voice of the world's religions, she talks out of both sides of her ecumenical mouth. Regarding her relationship to Islam, not only has she made to those of the Muslim faith some theological overtures which contradict Christian orthodoxy, but even worse, there are ties between the two religions which go a lot deeper than most people realize. Let's first consider some commonalities between the two faiths.

Starting with the number of adherents, Catholicism and Islam each exceed one billion, nearly all of whom enter their respective faiths as infants. More than 16 million babies are baptized into the Roman Catholic Church each year. It's a family thing. My sisters and I were baptized as Catholics because our parents were Catholics, and they and their siblings were baptized into the Church because their parents were Catholics. That's the primary way the faith is propagated.

Practically speaking, although baptism is not part of Islam, all children born into a Muslim family are Muslims. Their official "confirmation" follows as soon as they are able to confess the shahada ("There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger"). This baby-oriented process for increasing their ranks has been a motivating factor in the Vatican/Saudi-sponsored lobby against UN endeavors to introduce contraception and other methods of population control, especially in third-world countries.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today; Catholicism is the largest religious body among those professing to be Christian. If the number of followers was a good measure for selecting a religion, then Islam and Catholicism would definitely be the way to go. However, the Bible has no such yardstick. Rather, Jesus said, "[W]ide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" (Mt 7:13,14).

Most people are aware of the veneration and even worship of Mary found among Roman Catholics, but not many know that much the same deference exists among Muslims. A chapter in the Qur'an is named after Mary ("Surah Maryam"). From the outskirts of Cairo to Bombay to Medjugorje in Bosnia-Herzegovina, hundreds of thousands of the Islamic faith have congregated wherever processions carry her statues and where her apparitions are said to have appeared. She is esteemed above the most revered women of the Muslim faith, including Muhammad's two favorite wives, Khadija and Aisha, and his daughter Fatima. The hadith teaches that Muhammad selected Mary as his first wife upon entrance into Paradise (for more about Mary and Islam see "Mary Who?" in TBC 10/00). One of the most popular Catholic apparitions of Mary is referred to as Our Lady of Fatima.

Catholic and Islamic prayers have many similarities. For the Muslim, praying to Allah five times a day is altogether an act of obedience, and the prayers are always repetitive. As one former Muslim puts it, "It's hardly intimate communication with Allah;...it's done more to escape the punishment due to those who neglect prayer." Most prayers prayed by Catholics are also rote and repetitive, saying the rosary being the best example. Repeating 16 "Our Father's" and 153 "Hail Mary's" is far from personal communication. Furthermore, when a Catholic goes to confession the priest assigns rosaries as severe punishment, or penance, for one's sins.

Prayer beads were a part of Islamic devotion to Allah long before an apparition of the Blessed Lady taught St. Dominic to pray the rosary beads in the thirteenth century. Prayer beads, by the way, are a stock item in ancient and modern paganism. On an ironic note, Catholic Church historians credit the prayers of members of the Confraternity of the Rosary for a major naval victory over the Turks, which "saved Europe from the Mohammedan peril."

Catholics and Muslims regard pilgrimages as a means of obtaining favor from God. The hadj, one of the five pillars of Islam, is a required (one-time) journey to Mecca. For Catholics, pilgrimages historically have been acts of religious purification, often induced by the promise of indulgences. Multi-millions of Catholics travel yearly to hundreds of shrines (nearly all dedicated to Mary) located throughout the world. The Crusades were indulgence-stimulated attempts to regain Jerusalem from the infidel Muslims in order to re-establish Catholic pilgrimages. Incidentally, the Church of Rome offered the crusaders full pardon from purgatory should they die trying to liberate the Holy Land. Similarly, Islam offers rewards in and assurance of Paradise to those who die in religious battles (jihad), including suicide bombings.

Roman Catholicism recognizes Allah as the God of the Bible. In 1985, Pope John Paul II declared to an enraptured audience of thousands of Muslim youths, "Christians and Muslims, we have many things in common as believers and as human beings....We believe in the same God, the one and only God, the living God...."

But how is that possible?

Historically, Allah was a pagan idol, supreme among many idols worshiped by Muhammad's Quraish tribe long before he was born. Will Durant in his classic, The Story of Civilization, writes,



Within the Ka'aba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods. One was called Allah; three others were Allah's daughters, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and al-Manat. We may judge the antiquity of this Arab pantheon from the mention of Al-il-Lat (Al-Lat) by Herodotus [fifth century b.c. Greek historian] as a major Arabian deity. The Quraish paved the way for monotheism by worshiping Allah as chief god....



Archaeological evidence uncovered in Arabia is overwhelming in demonstrating that the dominant pre-Islamic religion was the worship of the moon-god, Allah. Muhammad simply eliminated the other 300-some deities, including Allah's daughters, making Allah supreme while retaining many of the pagan rituals and symbols associated with him. For example, the crescent moon was the symbol of the moon-god from the time of the Sumerians and the Babylonians through the time of Christ and right up until Muhammad's arrival. It's hardly a coincidence that Ramadan, the Muslim time of fasting, begins and ends at the time of the crescent moon. Nearly all of the moon-god rituals and other idolatrous practices, including kissing the Black Stone, praying toward Mecca, running around the temple and between the two hills of Safa and Marwa, were pre-Islamic rituals.

Catholicism's zeal to relate to Islam makes one wonder how honest it is about its own perspective on God, based on the "Sacred Scripture." God is referred to as Yahweh or Jehovah about 9,000 times in the Bible. Never is He thus referred to in the Qur'an. He reveals himself in the Scriptures as "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob/Israel." He is the Father of the Jews, "the God of Israel." In the Qur'an, Allah never refers to himself that way. God calls the Jews His "chosen people." He gave them the land of Israel as a heritage "forever": "And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever" (Ezk 37:25). God's covenant is with Isaac (Gn 17: 19-21), while Muslims believe Allah's covenant is with Ishmael.

Allah has a completely different attitude toward the Jews than does the God of the Bible. Allah commands his followers to "Take not the Jews...for friends" (Sura 5:51). While the Jews are referred to in the Qur'an as "the people of the book" (i.e., the Bible), if they refuse to convert to Islam they must pay a tribute tax to their overlords and become subservient to them: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by his messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low" (Sura 9:29). According to the hadith, which most Muslims regard to be nearly as authoritative as the Qur'an, Muhammad is quoted as saying, "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them." Again, the hadith says that, related to the Day of Judgment, Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say, "Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him." Catholicism has its own grievous and well-documented history of slaughtering the Jews.

Further comparisons between Jehovah and Allah demonstrate clearly that they cannot be one and the same. Jehovah has a Son: "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" (1 Jn 4:14). Allah has no son: "And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty..." (Sura 17:111); "Allah hath not chosen any son, nor is there any God along with him" (Sura 23:91). Whereas God the Father declared from heaven concerning Jesus, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Mt 3:17), Allah of the Qur'an condemns such a belief: "...the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!" (Sura 9:30 - The Holy Qur'an www.orst.edu/groups/msa/index.html).

While there are both clear and critical differences between the biblical God and Allah, nevertheless, the Roman Catholic Church accepts them as one and the same God. The following quote is from Vatican II:



The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has also spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God's plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own.

Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly evoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting (Nostra Aetate, Vatican II).



Consider carefully the above quote (taken from what the Roman Catholic Church claims is an infallible council) and you will realize what truly binds Catholicism and Islam together: They both have a Jesus who cannot save their souls. The Qur'an teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross: "And because of [the Jews] saying, We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messengerThey slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain" (Sura 4:157). Vatican II may give Muslims credit for "venerating" Jesus, but in fact, it's a bogus Jesus. Sadly, Catholicism also has a false Christ. It teaches that His death on the cross was not sufficient for our salvation. Not only must His sacrifice (which, according to the Scriptures, was offered only once to take away our sins completely [Heb 9:28]) be "re-presented" as a daily sacrifice for sins on altars around the world, but Catholics must expiate their own sins through sufferings here on earth and in purgatory.

Finally, Vatican II spells out clearly what Islam and Catholicism regard as their hope for salvation: "...they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." This is works salvation. In Islam, a person is accountable for every thought, word, and deed. His or her life is to be lived according to what is pleasing to Allah as found in the Qur'an and the hadith. In addition, there is shari'a, which is the body of rules that attempts to cover the totality of Islamic religious, political, social and domestic life. Breaking such laws involves various forms of temporal punishment. At the Last Judgment Allah will determine one's eternal destiny as He places one's good and evil works on the divine scale: "Then those whose scales are heavy [with good deeds], they are the successful. And those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding" (Sura 23:102,103). The hadith vividly describes the tortures of hell.

A friend of mine, James McCarthy, produced a video titled Catholicism: Crisis of Faith in which he interviews about a dozen people leaving Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. He simply asks them on what basis they expect to get to heaven. Only one made any reference to Jesus. The overwhelming response was that they felt they were pretty good people, and were fairly confident that their good deeds outweighed their bad ones. Although the Catholic Church states that it is only by God's grace that one can enter heaven, it becomes very clear that what is meant is that grace is required to enable one to do the works which qualify one for heaven. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they "obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ" (par 1821) and they "can merit for [them]selves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life" (par 2027).

Pope John Paul II addressed a Catholic community in Turkey with these words: "I wonder if it is now urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us." No! What is "urgent" is that Catholics and Muslims be set free from the spiritual bondage of attempting to qualify for heaven by their good deeds. Pray that their hearts would be open to receive the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23). TBC

Source: [link to www.reachingcatholics.org]

Last Edited by Aenon on 03/19/2010 09:17 PM