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The FLUFFY MAGNETIC RIBBON NEMESIS of the PLASMA UNIVERSE

 
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This is not the first time that magnetic reconnection has been used as an excuse when observational data is missing. Today, it is a common "explanation" for Earth's aurorae. As the consensus view states, the magnetosphere surrounding Earth stretches and deforms like a teardrop because it is being bombarded by a powerful stream of charged particles from the Sun. As the field is pushed on the sunward side, it is stretched out on the other side of our planet, where the field lines are said to "unravel" and "flap like a flag waving in the wind."

According to the theory, when those magnetic field lines cross and "reconnect" through some unknown mechanism, they are supposed to detonate, releasing large quantities of heat, light and electrical energy. That power flows down the field lines into Earth's poles, where it causes the air molecules to glow with brilliant auroral colors. The potential energy that ignites the aurorae is said to be "stored" in the magnetic field lines.

Magnetic field lines cannot be the storehouse for magnetic energy because the field lines are no more real than the arrows that are used to describe an electric field, or the curved lines that trace out a sine wave. Those are character symbols, just as magnetic field lines are symbols that describe a magnetic field's schematic. A magnetic field acts as a continuum—it is not quantized into discrete bands. To say that magnetic field lines can cross, or flap, or break and reconnect is tantamount to saying that weather diagrams can produce rain.

Kristian Birkeland is not only spinning in his grave, he is doing cartwheels.

Strong magnetic disturbances are detected when a bright aurora is seen. It was in 1903 that Kristian Birkeland's observations led him to propose that electricity powered the aurorae, flowing parallel to the formation. Since electric current moves through a closed circuit, and since the currents and the glow seemed to be caused by processes in distant space, he theorized that the circuit's beginning came down from space at one end of the auroral arc and looped back out to space on the other end. In 1973, the U.S. Navy satellite Triad flew through this electrically charged layer. The onboard magnetometer found two electric currents in gigantic sheets, each carrying a million amperes or more, one descending on the auroral zone's morning side and one ascending on the evening side. Since Birkeland's research had predicted the currents that link Earth with space they were called Birkeland currents.

It is a case of mistaken identity for scientists to create a theoretical entity called "magnetic reconnection" when the forces and effects can be easily associated with solid evidentiary conclusions. Rather than electromagnetism acting in ways that are beyond the prevailing theories, why not use the evidence gathered by Birkeland more than a century ago as the explanation?

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This is not the first time that magnetic reconnection has been used as an excuse when observational data is missing. Today, it is a common "explanation" for Earth's aurorae. As the consensus view states, the magnetosphere surrounding Earth stretches and deforms like a teardrop because it is being bombarded by a powerful stream of charged particles from the Sun. As the field is pushed on the sunward side, it is stretched out on the other side of our planet, where the field lines are said to "unravel" and "flap like a flag waving in the wind."

According to the theory, when those magnetic field lines cross and "reconnect" through some unknown mechanism, they are supposed to detonate, releasing large quantities of heat, light and electrical energy. That power flows down the field lines into Earth's poles, where it causes the air molecules to glow with brilliant auroral colors. The potential energy that ignites the aurorae is said to be "stored" in the magnetic field lines.

Magnetic field lines cannot be the storehouse for magnetic energy because the field lines are no more real than the arrows that are used to describe an electric field, or the curved lines that trace out a sine wave. Those are character symbols, just as magnetic field lines are symbols that describe a magnetic field's schematic. A magnetic field acts as a continuum—it is not quantized into discrete bands. To say that magnetic field lines can cross, or flap, or break and reconnect is tantamount to saying that weather diagrams can produce rain.

Kristian Birkeland is not only spinning in his grave, he is doing cartwheels.

Strong magnetic disturbances are detected when a bright aurora is seen. It was in 1903 that Kristian Birkeland's observations led him to propose that electricity powered the aurorae, flowing parallel to the formation. Since electric current moves through a closed circuit, and since the currents and the glow seemed to be caused by processes in distant space, he theorized that the circuit's beginning came down from space at one end of the auroral arc and looped back out to space on the other end. In 1973, the U.S. Navy satellite Triad flew through this electrically charged layer. The onboard magnetometer found two electric currents in gigantic sheets, each carrying a million amperes or more, one descending on the auroral zone's morning side and one ascending on the evening side. Since Birkeland's research had predicted the currents that link Earth with space they were called Birkeland currents.

It is a case of mistaken identity for scientists to create a theoretical entity called "magnetic reconnection" when the forces and effects can be easily associated with solid evidentiary conclusions. Rather than electromagnetism acting in ways that are beyond the prevailing theories, why not use the evidence gathered by Birkeland more than a century ago as the explanation?

Stephen Smith
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OK, let me see if I got this right, aether...

The actual magnetic field lines don't exist. There is no material structure. It is not like some field lines that consist of 'magnetic field lines' are just lying there dormant, waiting for a charge to come through.

Instead, magnetic field lines are created by other forces (example, earth's atmosphere and space) and inside those relationships is an area where the effects of the charge can run through, constrained by the 'other' forces (atmosphere and space) to stay inside those relationships. So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.


I purposefully made this simple for easier understanding, without getting into any of the specifics, so don't get one me. afro
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This makes me think of the interaction between the sun and another 'magnetic' source - ie. the Magnetic Ribbon.

This is kinda scary:

Intersecting Plasma Sheaths

When a planet is surrounded by a double layer sheath, it is protected from direct electrical interaction with any outside body. Two electrically charged planets, each surrounded by such a plasma sheath cannot see each other electrostatically. However, if a body having a different electrical charge, penetrates the double layer, moving into the plasmasphere surrounding a planet, electrical interactions (current discharges) can and will occur.

Thus, if any other body such as a large meteor (or asteroid, comet, etc.) should come close enough to Earth to penetrate our plasma sheath, violent electric discharges would occur between the two bodies. It would, of course, be unfortunate to be standing at the point of origin of such a discharge.
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This explains some phenomena!
If Peratt’s conclusions are correct, then only a few thousand years ago the terrestrial sky was ablaze with electrical activity.

...few thousand years ago. Like 3,600 years ago?


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Plasma scientists are now comparing electrical discharge formations in the laboratory to rock art images around the world. Results in 2005 should confirm that immense and terrifying plasma configurations were seen in the sky of our ancestors.

For over three decades Anthony Peratt, a leading authority on plasma phenomena, concentrated his laboratory research on the unstable formations that develop in high-energy electrical discharge. He recorded the evolution of these configurations through dozens of phases. Some of the most elaborate discharge forms are now called “Peratt Instabilities” because he was the first to document them.

But Peratt’s most recent work has taken him in a new direction, and the results offer a remarkable link between plasma science and things once seen in the heavens. In September, 2000, in response to communication with David Talbott, Peratt became intrigued by the striking similarity of ancient rock art to the discharge formations he had documented. Suddenly he was seeing, carved on stone by the tens of thousands, the very forms he had observed in the laboratory. The correlation was so precise -- down to the finest details -- that it could not be accidental. The artists were recording heaven-spanning discharge formations above them.

In his investigation of rock art themes, Peratt concentrated his field work in the American Southwest and Northwest, but he also gathered data internationally. For his on-site study he used GPS longitude and latitude positions, always noting the orientation and field of view. A team of about 30 volunteers, including specialists from several fields, assisted Peratt in the investigation, and he has since gathered more than 25,000 rock art images.

The illustrations of one interesting formation — the “squatter man” shown above -- are taken from Peratt’s recent paper in "Transactions on Plasma Science" of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, in December 2003. Peratt states his conclusion forthrightly: The recurring petroglyph patterns "are reproductions of plasma phenomena in space".

Peratt’s findings are particularly significant in their contrast to traditional explanations of rock art. The majority of rock art authorities, particularly those with primary interest in Native American sources, argue that only images of the sun, moon, and stars reflect actual celestial phenomena. Apart from such associations, most authorities claim that global patterns do not exist. Rather, they tell us, the ancient artists projected onto stone the subjective content of shamanistic trances. Peratt’s investigations say the opposite, and they confirm dozens of patterns of rock art that occur globally. Through massive labors, some apparently taking whole lifetimes according to Peratt, the artists recorded immense discharge phenomena in the heavens.

The “squatter man” configuration depicted above occurs when a disk or donut-like torus around a linear discharge column is bent by magnetic fields induced by intense current flow. From the viewpoint of the observer, the edges of the upper disk may appear to point up (forming "arms") and those of the lower torus may appear to point down (forming "legs"). The underlying “hourglass” pattern, with many subtle variations, occurs around the world.

To appreciate the evolution of this discharge configuration it is essential that one visualize it three dimensionally, as illustrated by the idealization above. The graphic image on the upper left utilizes a tonal gradient to indicate the structure of a translucent plasma discharge, where this structure would not be self evident in a rendition carved on rock. The key here is to recognize that rotating the configuration on its axis would not change the basic form or appearance to the observer. This fact will not be evident, however, in a simple carving on rock. To make the point, the accompanying image converts the illustration into black and white, which represents the way the configuration would likely appear in a stone carving.

Our idealization shows slight variations between the upward-pointing and downward-pointing components, consistent with common variations in the laboratory and in rock art. The upper “champagne glass” form results from a distortion of a disk as the edges curve upward. In the warping of the disk below, the downward curvature is interrupted at the extremity, which bends outward to create a “squashed bell” appearance. The rock art images shown above include other variations as well. Sometimes, the “arms” and “legs” of the “squatter man” are horizontal, while at other times they are more squared than in our graphic representation, but both variations are characteristic of intense plasma discharge.

Our idealization of the hourglass discharge form accents the visual relationship of the two symmetrical dots or circles to a transparent doughnut-like torus, viewed edge on. But many other nuances of such discharge configurations must be taken into account. The warping of the upward and downward extremities of the hourglass form can occur in almost limitless variations. To illustrate the extent of the variations anciently recorded, we offer two interesting examples in the upper right frame of the montage above. The first, closely tied to the more elementary “squatter man” formation, includes the two dots to the right and left of the torso. The incongruous additional pair of “legs” also accord with observed patterns in the evolution of Peratt instabilities, which typically send out stacks of “arms” or “legs” in the very fashion depicted. Even more bizarre is the accompanying squatter man whose head is replaced by the body of a duck. But this pattern too, particularly widespread in the Americas, is no accident according to Peratt.

If Peratt’s conclusions are correct, then only a few thousand years ago the terrestrial sky was ablaze with electrical activity. The ramifications of this possibility will directly affect our understanding of cultural roots. What was the impact of the recorded events on the first civilizations? What was the relationship to the origins of world mythology, to the birth of the early religions, or to monumental construction in ancient times?

There is reason to believe that rock art will illuminate a critical turn in human history. There is also a provable connection to the evolution of mythical archetypes. Archaic rock art depictions came first, but were followed by an outpouring of conceptual elaborations, as ancient artists gave imaginative expression to the celestial forms and events that inspired the myth-making epoch. Both the rock artists and the myth-makers had true perils on their minds. The rock artists recorded and the myth-makers interpreted electrical events in the sky, as plasma discharge sequences moved through discrete phases, some of celestial beauty, others intensely violent and terrifying.
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OK, let me see if I got this right, aether...

The actual magnetic field lines don't exist. There is no material structure. It is not like some field lines that consist of 'magnetic field lines' are just lying there dormant, waiting for a charge to come through.

Instead, magnetic field lines are created by other forces (example, earth's atmosphere and space) and inside those relationships is an area where the effects of the charge can run through, constrained by the 'other' forces (atmosphere and space) to stay inside those relationships. So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.


I purposefully made this simple for easier understanding, without getting into any of the specifics, so don't get one me
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hi sickscent

there are no lines, there are stronger forces and weaker forces and, where they merge, boundaries occur, observable by the material action taking place along the merge bounderies

charge exists within all space, all things and it`s existence (motion) creates magnetic force(s) within all space and all things

this field/force is called aether, o-point, torsion, spirit etc.

it is non material ie. massless

from this field/force all energy (information) for sustaining our universe transmits universaly and continuesly

because this the origin of reality ,all we observe follows the same principles of charge/electricity with force/field moving throughout our universe sustaining stars, planets, moons and life infinitly

So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.

exactly sickscent. that medium (aether) is everywhere as charge (electricity) is everwhere
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OK, let me see if I got this right, aether...

The actual magnetic field lines don't exist. There is no material structure. It is not like some field lines that consist of 'magnetic field lines' are just lying there dormant, waiting for a charge to come through.

Instead, magnetic field lines are created by other forces (example, earth's atmosphere and space) and inside those relationships is an area where the effects of the charge can run through, constrained by the 'other' forces (atmosphere and space) to stay inside those relationships. So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.


I purposefully made this simple for easier understanding, without getting into any of the specifics, so don't get one me

hi sickscent

there are no lines, there are stronger forces and weaker forces and, where they merge, boundaries occur, observable by the material action taking place along the merge bounderies

charge exists within all space, all things and it`s existence (motion) creates magnetic force(s) within all space and all things

this field/force is called aether, o-point, torsion, spirit etc.

it is non material ie. massless

from this field/force all energy (information) for sustaining our universe transmits universaly and continuesly

because this the origin of reality ,all we observe follows the same principles of charge/electricity with force/field moving throughout our universe sustaining stars, planets, moons and life infinitly

So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.

exactly sickscent. that medium (aether) is everywhere as charge (electricity) is everwhere
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PERFECT! You explained it the way I couldn't.

Muchos Gracias!
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this is how you and i function within aether:




try and watch the whole set

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There is no aether (with the exception of this Forum). yeahsure
The Michelson–Morley experiment clearly proved this back in 1887.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Scientists are still working on this issue. Check this page for updates: [link to www.sciencedirect.com]

They are still working on a unified field theory which would include all forces, but had no luck yet.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

You have to accept that the answers to the fundamental questions of astrophysics aren't always easy to understand. In fact, the deeper you dig into them, the more knowledge you have to accumulate.

But anyway, it's worth it.


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there are no lines, there are stronger forces and weaker forces and, where they merge, boundaries occur, observable by the material action taking place along the merge bounderies

charge exists within all space, all things and it`s existence (motion) creates magnetic force(s) within all space and all things

this field/force is called aether, o-point, torsion, spirit etc.

it is non material ie. massless

from this field/force all energy (information) for sustaining our universe transmits universaly and continuesly

because this the origin of reality ,all we observe follows the same principles of charge/electricity with force/field moving throughout our universe sustaining stars, planets, moons and life infinitly

So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.

exactly sickscent. that medium (aether) is everywhere as charge (electricity) is everwhere
 Quoting: aether 923575

. .

This is going to sound off-topic, but it isn't.

I find this extremely exciting -- the Healing Energy called ReiKi is somehow connected with this theory! hf I just know it in my innermost being.

One gets "attuned" to the ReiKi energy, and then one can channel that energy to others. It is very healing. "ReiKi" means "Divinely Guided Healing Energy" in Japanese.

This is awesome information.

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there are no lines, there are stronger forces and weaker forces and, where they merge, boundaries occur, observable by the material action taking place along the merge bounderies

charge exists within all space, all things and it`s existence (motion) creates magnetic force(s) within all space and all things

this field/force is called aether, o-point, torsion, spirit etc.

it is non material ie. massless

from this field/force all energy (information) for sustaining our universe transmits universaly and continuesly

because this the origin of reality ,all we observe follows the same principles of charge/electricity with force/field moving throughout our universe sustaining stars, planets, moons and life infinitly

So, instead of having a specific medium that the charge can run through (that is called the magnetic field lines), it is actually just the area that the charge can run through most easily, so that is the path it goes down.

exactly sickscent. that medium (aether) is everywhere as charge (electricity) is everwhere

. .

This is going to sound off-topic, but it isn't.

I find this extremely exciting -- the Healing Energy called ReiKi is somehow connected with this theory! hf I just know it in my innermost being.

One gets "attuned" to the ReiKi energy, and then one can channel that energy to others. It is very healing. "ReiKi" means "Divinely Guided Healing Energy" in Japanese.

This is awesome information.

.
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I've got my Reiki certification...

My sister is WAY into it.
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I've got my Reiki certification...

My sister is WAY into it.
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. .

That is awesome, Sickscent. hugs And don't you see the connection I mentioned?


I was attuned to the ReiKi energy in 1993. I have been a ReiKi Master since 1995. I don't practice it much anymore, except on myself and family members, although I was very active in the ReiKi community for many years.

hf

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Ether and the Theory of Relativity
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Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.

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Ether and the Theory of Relativity
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Albert Einstein

Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.

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Just a hint: To workaround this issue, Einstein later introduced the Lorentz-Transformation to his Equations of the SRT.

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There can be no transformation equation: not a fancy Lorentz transformation, but also not a simple transformation like x’ = x - vt . So the given equation is not a Galilei transformation, in any sense.
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i beieve einstein was forced to alter his equations because the aether/electric/plasma universe was within national security constraints

it still is, to a degree
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i love miles`s ego cool2

Charge is and always will be a distribued sphere. It is only natural for it to have a stacked spin
The standard model states that matter has a dual nature, showing characteristics of a particle in some experiments and characteristics of a wave in others. But it does not tell us how matter expresses these characteristics. It assumes that it is impossible to do so. But it is not impossible. In fact, it is embarrassingly simple. Matter is NOT both particle and wave. Matter is a particle with a wave. That is, the photon, like the electron and the proton and every other incorporation of matter, is a discrete particle, with a radius, a surface area, a mass, and a spin. Fundamentally, it is not a wave. It is a physical sphere, just as much as the Earth or the Moon or a marble or a bowling ball.

So all those smug little PhDs on the forums are wrong. To solve the problem of duality, we must not think of the photon or electron as a probability. We must think of it as a physical sphere. We must do so because doing so is the only way to solve the mysteries of quantum mechanics. I have already proved this in the most direct fashion possible: by solving problems that had stymied them for generations. I have solved problems Bohr could not solve, that Einstein could not solve, that Feynman could not solve, and I have done it by ignoring all the warnings from the physics police—ignoring the warnings of the cult groupies.

They have said there is no way to visualize superposition, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to illustrate wave motions or characteristics, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to explain duality in a physical, mechanical way, but I have done it.

I have done it by showing that a simple sphere, of any size, can have four stacked spins. The first spin is an axial spin, with a size of R (where R is the radius). The second spin cannot be axial, due to gyroscopic rules. It must be outside the influence of the axial spin. Therefore it must be an end-over-end spin, with a size of 2R.


sickscents have you noticed how nasa is becoming our new best friend tounge
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and i notice i always want to put an s on your name

not 3 of you, are there? wtf
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i love miles`s ego cool2

Charge is and always will be a distribued sphere. It is only natural for it to have a stacked spin
The standard model states that matter has a dual nature, showing characteristics of a particle in some experiments and characteristics of a wave in others. But it does not tell us how matter expresses these characteristics. It assumes that it is impossible to do so. But it is not impossible. In fact, it is embarrassingly simple. Matter is NOT both particle and wave. Matter is a particle with a wave. That is, the photon, like the electron and the proton and every other incorporation of matter, is a discrete particle, with a radius, a surface area, a mass, and a spin. Fundamentally, it is not a wave. It is a physical sphere, just as much as the Earth or the Moon or a marble or a bowling ball.

So all those smug little PhDs on the forums are wrong. To solve the problem of duality, we must not think of the photon or electron as a probability. We must think of it as a physical sphere. We must do so because doing so is the only way to solve the mysteries of quantum mechanics. I have already proved this in the most direct fashion possible: by solving problems that had stymied them for generations. I have solved problems Bohr could not solve, that Einstein could not solve, that Feynman could not solve, and I have done it by ignoring all the warnings from the physics police—ignoring the warnings of the cult groupies.

They have said there is no way to visualize superposition, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to illustrate wave motions or characteristics, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to explain duality in a physical, mechanical way, but I have done it.

I have done it by showing that a simple sphere, of any size, can have four stacked spins. The first spin is an axial spin, with a size of R (where R is the radius). The second spin cannot be axial, due to gyroscopic rules. It must be outside the influence of the axial spin. Therefore it must be an end-over-end spin, with a size of 2R.


sickscents have you noticed how nasa is becoming our new best friend tounge
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Yes, actually I have noticed that.

And that's OK with the ssssssssses
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i love miles`s ego cool2

Charge is and always will be a distribued sphere. It is only natural for it to have a stacked spin
The standard model states that matter has a dual nature, showing characteristics of a particle in some experiments and characteristics of a wave in others. But it does not tell us how matter expresses these characteristics. It assumes that it is impossible to do so. But it is not impossible. In fact, it is embarrassingly simple. Matter is NOT both particle and wave. Matter is a particle with a wave. That is, the photon, like the electron and the proton and every other incorporation of matter, is a discrete particle, with a radius, a surface area, a mass, and a spin. Fundamentally, it is not a wave. It is a physical sphere, just as much as the Earth or the Moon or a marble or a bowling ball.

So all those smug little PhDs on the forums are wrong. To solve the problem of duality, we must not think of the photon or electron as a probability. We must think of it as a physical sphere. We must do so because doing so is the only way to solve the mysteries of quantum mechanics. I have already proved this in the most direct fashion possible: by solving problems that had stymied them for generations. I have solved problems Bohr could not solve, that Einstein could not solve, that Feynman could not solve, and I have done it by ignoring all the warnings from the physics police—ignoring the warnings of the cult groupies.

They have said there is no way to visualize superposition, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to illustrate wave motions or characteristics, but I have done it. They have said there is no way to explain duality in a physical, mechanical way, but I have done it.

I have done it by showing that a simple sphere, of any size, can have four stacked spins. The first spin is an axial spin, with a size of R (where R is the radius). The second spin cannot be axial, due to gyroscopic rules. It must be outside the influence of the axial spin. Therefore it must be an end-over-end spin, with a size of 2R.


sickscents have you noticed how nasa is becoming our new best friend tounge
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Replace your idea of a sphere with something like a 3- (or even n-) dimentional Wave Pattern and we're on the same page...

As you might know, a spin also represents a quantum status. That's why this idea correlates very well with the fundamental ideas of quantum mechanics.

But i don't want to lead away from the original Topic of this great Thread.





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Replace your idea of a sphere with something like a 3- (or even n-) dimentional Wave Pattern and we're on the same page...

As you might know, a spin also represents a quantum status. That's why this idea correlates very well with the fundamental ideas of quantum mechanics.


the completion of of miles`s statement i posted above

cool2 testing tounge

If we give the particle a straight-line motion in any direction, the end-over-end spin will give it a wave. Just monitor the position of the center of the particle, relative to its initial position. On any graph, the motion must create a wave.

I call this first end-over-end spin the x-spin (the axial spin is not an x-spin, since an axial-spinning particle is not moving in the x,y,z field yet). Then we have a y-spin of 4R and a z-spin of 8R. Each spin is orthogonal to inner spins. And each spin creates another wave.

The z-spin creates the electrical field and the y-spin creates the magnetic field. These two outer spins are orthogonal, and the right hand rule applies to them. We achieve all this simply from a mechanical analysis of spin, without any other postulates or theory.
This shows the exact mechanical cause both of the wave and of the duality. Stacked spins cause the wave. The particle is not a wave: the particle moves as a wave against a background, due to stacked spins


[link to milesmathis.com]

But i don't want to lead away from the original Topic of this great Thread.
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it is a great thread and nor do i wish to lead away from topic

thanks for talking ac
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i posted this on your other thread, but i think it stays on topic with symbols/plasma/electric universe

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Replace your idea of a sphere with something like a 3- (or even n-) dimentional Wave Pattern and we're on the same page...

As you might know, a spin also represents a quantum status. That's why this idea correlates very well with the fundamental ideas of quantum mechanics.


the completion of of miles`s statement i posted above

cool2 testing tounge

If we give the particle a straight-line motion in any direction, the end-over-end spin will give it a wave. Just monitor the position of the center of the particle, relative to its initial position. On any graph, the motion must create a wave.

I call this first end-over-end spin the x-spin (the axial spin is not an x-spin, since an axial-spinning particle is not moving in the x,y,z field yet). Then we have a y-spin of 4R and a z-spin of 8R. Each spin is orthogonal to inner spins. And each spin creates another wave.

The z-spin creates the electrical field and the y-spin creates the magnetic field. These two outer spins are orthogonal, and the right hand rule applies to them. We achieve all this simply from a mechanical analysis of spin, without any other postulates or theory.
This shows the exact mechanical cause both of the wave and of the duality. Stacked spins cause the wave. The particle is not a wave: the particle moves as a wave against a background, due to stacked spins


[link to milesmathis.com]

But i don't want to lead away from the original Topic of this great Thread.

it is a great thread and nor do i wish to lead away from topic

thanks for talking ac
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Really my pleasure. I enjoy this kind of brainstorming.
hf

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Replace your idea of a sphere with something like a 3- (or even n-) dimentional Wave Pattern and we're on the same page...

As you might know, a spin also represents a quantum status. That's why this idea correlates very well with the fundamental ideas of quantum mechanics.


the completion of of miles`s statement i posted above

cool2 testing tounge

If we give the particle a straight-line motion in any direction, the end-over-end spin will give it a wave. Just monitor the position of the center of the particle, relative to its initial position. On any graph, the motion must create a wave.

I call this first end-over-end spin the x-spin (the axial spin is not an x-spin, since an axial-spinning particle is not moving in the x,y,z field yet). Then we have a y-spin of 4R and a z-spin of 8R. Each spin is orthogonal to inner spins. And each spin creates another wave.

The z-spin creates the electrical field and the y-spin creates the magnetic field. These two outer spins are orthogonal, and the right hand rule applies to them. We achieve all this simply from a mechanical analysis of spin, without any other postulates or theory.
This shows the exact mechanical cause both of the wave and of the duality. Stacked spins cause the wave. The particle is not a wave: the particle moves as a wave against a background, due to stacked spins


[link to milesmathis.com]

But i don't want to lead away from the original Topic of this great Thread.

it is a great thread and nor do i wish to lead away from topic

thanks for talking ac


Really my pleasure. I enjoy this kind of brainstorming.
hf

peace
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More please! You're better than Dan Winter!
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there are no lines, there are stronger forces and weaker forces and, where they merge, boundaries occur, observable by the material action taking place along the merge bounderies

charge exists within all space, all things and it`s existence (motion) creates magnetic force(s) within all space and all things

this field/force is called aether, o-point, torsion, spirit etc.

it is non material ie. massless

from this field/force all energy (information) for sustaining our universe transmits universaly and continuesly

because this the origin of reality ,all we observe follows the same principles of charge/electricity with force/field moving throughout our universe sustaining stars, planets, moons and life infinitly
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Abstract
The recognition of limits in the tendency to miniaturize the so-called self-organizing devices inspired scientists to seek inspiration from living organisms that operate with functional elements that employ thermal energy exploiting quantum phenomena. Here we show how such operations are performed by a complex space charge configuration emerged by self-organization in plasma. Endowed with a special kind of memory, the complexity is able to ensure its survival in a metastable state performing the operations “learned” during its emergence by self-organization. Possessing memory, the complexity works as an intelligent system able to evolve under suitable environmental conditions.

[link to www.sciencedirect.com]

energy = information cool2
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Here we show how such operations are performed by a complex space charge configuration emerged by self-organization in plasma. Endowed with a special kind of memory, the complexity is able to ensure its survival in a metastable state performing the operations “learned” during its emergence by self-organization. Possessing memory, the complexity works as an intelligent system able to evolve under suitable environmental conditions.

two types of materia exist:

that which receives continuous instruction (energy) to be and remain what it is, planet, rock, chair, tree etc.

that which receives continuous intruction (energy) to remain what they are whilst containing the instruction to be independent (intelligent) IE: interact with the incoming energy (information) and take independent action

there are varying degrees of intelligent (independent) interaction/action

potential is infinite as source intelligence (energy) is infinite
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"science" is beginning to see it everwhere

From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter

Abstract.

Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics. We examine the salient features of this new complex `state of soft matter' in light of the autonomy, evolution, progenity and autopoiesis principles used to define life. It is concluded that complex self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter that may exist in space provided certain conditions allow them to evolve naturally.


[link to iopscience.iop.org]
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the cause of effects

subquantum refered to below is 0-point/aether/torsion/spirit

In other words, the system itself can be inordinately and unfathomably complicated in the information sense and what we can observe is actually a secondary result of the active information inherent in the system. Quantum results are inherently incomplete, because it appears that we can never possibly have access to all the information which has been involved internal to the quantum “black box” to produce the results which come out of the quantum black box.

The results which arise from the quantum system are not due to multiple fictional “quantum worlds” comprised of infinities of possibilities, which are due to overlapping of probabilities. This way of thinking leads to a view which we can never actually observe in our everyday experience. Rather, the activities of the quantum system rely exclusively on vast quantities of diverse kinds of information, which act to determine what exactly comes out of the black box, and when. The internals of the black box may be actually directly causal, but this is beyond our ability to perceive directly, at this time.

We inhabit a very real and experiencable universe which interacts with us, and we with it. Certainly, we do not at each instant go through a process of examining infinite numbers of superpositions of infinite numbers of “possible worlds” in order to determine which quantum states have “collapsed from the wave functions”. Instead, we constantly accept whatever information is available wherever we have focused our attention, and act on that information, as required by the circumstances. The observer is perfectly dependent on the information supply available, and thus not at all separated from the universe, nor its activities, contrary to current quantum themes.

Thus it seems clear that the observed genetic alterations were not due to quantum correlations, but due to the information content of the media having been transferred from point A, across space, by several possible means, to point B. The information transferred contained the genetic sequences. Thus the quantum system at point B was re-organized by new information which came from point A.

When we consider the genetic system as being comprised, at the deepest level, of subquantum entities which are the vehicles for the observed memory of the media, then it is easy to see how these entities can inform the larger objects comprising the genetic system, in a manner which seems to have some analogy to quantum correlations, but which is in fact due to a subquantum process.

Robert Neil Boyd
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this explaination shows how minds are getting in touch with the "how"

this is important because our universe reacts/interacts, it is vital to be aware of what is "talking" and the language nature uses

motion/events, both seen and heard, once understood, open the door to intuitive/feeling information received, as a result of recognising the precursor natural signs/symbols
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"Intuition, the 6th sense --should be called the 1st sense, as quantum information is non-local and basic, but more emphasis has always been on rational mind rather than intuitive mind." They actually have the math now to handle that non-local aspect of consciousness, and explaining the phenomena of consciousness.
Dr. Edgar Mitchell October 6th, 2008

but, intuitition can only be accurate when the observer understands what they are observing
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The key issue is the nature of the beast, weather that is.

Pollution is a separate issue and needs to be dealt with, but the idea that it should be possible to control or moderate the earth's weather by cutting back on CO2 emissions is just plain nuts.

The sun is the governing factor, as there exists a dynamic energy differential between the earth and the sun and there is no manner by which to control or moderate the sun.

Climate change is happening and extremes are bound to increase, but there is no global warming as such.

The existing energy differential between the earth and sun is increasing in a steep upward curve, so we can expect more extremes in weather conditions.

The idea of an energy differential fits with the EU. Reading the book Unity gives some insight into the issue. It is a free read at [link to www.gravitycontrol.org]

Of course there is climate change, it's an ongoing process and always has been, but Al Gore is not going to change the situation nor is anyone else for that matter.

David Barclay 27th March 2010

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