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Can someone briefly summarise what the nasa guy was telling us?
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for summary read page 41 of the "you are close" thread
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From the other thread and as request from 6c
hf

Those who are worried if money will be any good have turned some of that cold hard cash into cold hard gold and/or silver - thought I'd mention that since OP said he was selling a house. Once you have what you think are sufficient survival supplies, nothing other than gold and silver make much sense.

OP - after you quit your job, wouldn't you then be in a position to still retain anonimity and yet still post more detailed information that you might have but that you haven't been willing to post while still employed?

I can't say I'd blame anyone for not plowing thru 40 pages of postings - this thread seemed to get all mucked up with more people's agendas and questions rather than people just waiting to see what OP might have to add today. Damned shame, that - reminded me of what my mother used to say about some people just liking to listen to themselves talk.
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This is a good point. OP's cryptic post was because he feared losing his job.

So now that he's planning on quitting....why not be more straight forward??
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I do not agree with gold or silver ...
You can not EAT that !
The most valuable thing will be those things that men will need but can not be made for a while coz of the powerloss and failing working equipment.

Special herbs that can ease diseases, salt, things for purify the water, firesticks, books about survival, etc ....
If you have a lot of those things you can trade them for other suplements or if you wish for gold or silver, but if you only have gold or silver you will have to find people to trade with first or otherwise you will die very welthy the starvation death.

The richest people will be those who can use their brain and hands for skills.
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Can someone briefly summarise what the nasa guy was telling us?



for summary read page 41 of the "you are close" thread
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For summary, simply see the summary on page 1 of this thread.
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Here are the 2 links to SOFIA. It is one of the items old OP pointed us towards.

[link to www.sofia.usra.edu]

[link to www.nasa.gov]



Sickcent,

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I think the summary in this thread was good already. Current mainstream/accepted scientific theories do not allow us to understand what IBEX has found, all they know is there's a high energy, high density plasma streaming into our solar system past the weakened magnetic field of the sun (heliosphere). Why do they insist on calling plasma ENA? Is it because the overall charge of the plasma is balanced and therefore considered neutral? Accelerated CHARGED particles make up the majority of the solar wind (a low density plasma) and the interstellar wind should be the same, just different density temperature/energy and composition.



Regardless of the exact composition and characteristics of the plasma we know that it's already caused an increase in cosmic rays dramatically in the past few years, compressed the sun's magnetic field to 50% of what it was 20 years ago, altered the sun's behaviour contrary to our predictions and models and (lack of) understanding. Our changing climate, extreme weather etc are all caused by something, remember cause and effect?

If "climate change" is not the result of human actions, at least directly, then the cause must be from space or within the Earth. Considering there is plasma (molten rock and metal aka lava) within the Earth it would suggest a connection to plasma that surrounds us. And according to Anthony L. Perrat as I posted in the emails (plasma physicist in Los Alamos Nuclear facility) a dense plasma has already entered our solar system.

Understand plasma or not, it's there and makes up 99.99% of the visible universe, matter as we know it, solids, liquids and gases, are only a fraction of .1%, an anomaly.

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I think I know the one you are talking about....was the rope a giant serpent?

If so the legend associated with it is that the good pulling on one side of the side 9head side I think) and the evil pulling on the other, churn the milkyway to produce the elixer of Imortality!

****

YES It is translated as THE GOOD and THE EVIL ... White versus Black/light versus dark

The light SUN : ous sun
The Dark SUN : the twin ...

Positive versus negative :
could be also interpreted as the positive electick charges and negative charges, push and pull charges-forces.
This is not about god-good and evil-bad, but more about influences and science instead of religion.

"The Churning took place at the beginning of the Golden Age (Krta Yuga), at which time the celestial forces of light (Devas) and the forces of darkness (Asuras) agreed to cooperate in an effort to generate the elixir of immortality known as Amrita by churning the great ocean that surrounded the planet. The Demigods uprooted Mount Mandara (Sanskrit for "cream" or "clarified butter") from its resting place at the Earth's north pole, and transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean. "

-Churning of the Milk Ocean > milky way
-the Golden Age > timespan ahead of us, our future
-celestial forces of light > our sun
-forces of darkness > dark dwarf sun
-elixir of immortality > life bringin and seeding, mutation changes so that life can live on
-transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean > a tubelike thing like discussed before such as the sun and the earth connects magneticaly could also be the fact connetcing earth to the centre of the galaxy ...

Look to it with the knowledge we have been discussing in this thread ;)


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Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?
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GIANT RIBBON DISCOVERED AT THE EDGE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM


FLUFFY MYSTERY AT EDGE OF SOLAR SYSTEM SOLVED




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First, Ribbon article:
[link to science.nasa.gov]


Giant Ribbon Discovered at the Edge of the Solar System

10.15.2009

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October 15, 2009: For years, researchers have known that the solar system is surrounded by a vast bubble of magnetism. Called the "heliosphere," it springs from the sun and extends far beyond the orbit of Pluto, providing a first line of defense against cosmic rays and interstellar clouds that try to enter our local space. Although the heliosphere is huge and literally fills the sky, it emits no light and no one has actually seen it.

Until now.

NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft has made the first all-sky maps of the heliosphere and the results have taken researchers by surprise. The maps are bisected by a bright, winding ribbon of unknown origin:



Above: IBEX's all-sky map of energetic neutral atom emission reveals a bright filament of unknown origin. V1 and V2 indicate the positions of the Voyager spacecraft. [more]

"This is a shocking new result," says IBEX principal investigator Dave McComas of the Southwest Research Institute. "We had no idea this ribbon existed--or what has created it. Our previous ideas about the outer heliosphere are going to have to be revised."


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Although the ribbon looks bright in the IBEX map, it does not glow in any conventional sense. The ribbon is not a source of light, but rather a source of particles--energetic neutral atoms or ENAs. IBEX's sensors can detect these particles, which are produced in the outer heliosphere where the solar wind begins to slow down and mix with interstellar matter from outside the solar system.
"This ribbon winds between the two Voyager spacecraft and was not observed by either of them," notes Eric Christian, IBEX deputy mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. "It's like having two weather stations, but missing the big storm that runs between them."

Unlike the Voyager spacecraft, which have spent decades traveling to the edge of the solar system for in situ sampling, IBEX stayed closer to home. It is in Earth orbit, spinning around and collecting ENAs from all directions. This gives IBEX the unique "big picture" view necessary to discover something as vast as the ribbon.

The ribbon also has fine structure--small filaments of ENA emission no more than a few degrees wide: image. The fine structure is as much of a mystery as the ribbon itself, researchers say.

One important clue: The ribbon runs perpendicular to the direction of the galactic magnetic field just outside the heliosphere, as shown in the illustration at right.

"That cannot be a coincidence," says McComas. But what does it mean? No one knows. "We're missing some fundamental aspect of the interaction between the heliosphere and the rest of the galaxy. Theorists are working like crazy to figure this out."

Understanding the physics of the outer heliosphere is important because of the role it plays in shielding the solar system against cosmic rays. The heliosphere's size and shape are key factors in determining its shielding power and, thus, how many cosmic rays reach Earth. For the first time, IBEX is revealing how the heliosphere might respond when it bumps into interstellar clouds and galactic magnetic fields.

"IBEX is now making a second all-sky map, and we're eager to see if the ribbon is changing," says McComas. "Watching the ribbon evolve--if it is evolving--could yield more clues."

Stay tuned for updates.


Now for FLUFFY:

[link to www.space.com]

Fluffy Mystery at Edge of Solar System Solved
By SPACE.com Staff

posted: 23 December 2009

03:54 pm ET
Our solar system is passing through a cloud of interstellar material that shouldn't be there, astronomers say. And now the decades-old Voyager spacecraft have helped solved the mystery.

The cloud is called the "Local Fluff." It's about 30 light-years wide and holds a wispy mix of hydrogen and helium atoms, according to a NASA statement released today. Stars that exploded nearby, about 10 million years ago, should have crushed the Fluff or blown it away.

So what's holding the Fluff in place?

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explained Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together ["The Fluff"] and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."

The Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected," Opher said. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."

Opher and colleagues detail the discovery in the Dec. 24 issue of the journal Nature.

NASA's two Voyager probes have been racing out of the solar system for more than 30 years. They are now beyond the orbit of Pluto and on the verge of entering interstellar space. During the 1990s, Voyager 1 became the farthest manmade object in space.

The Voyager craft, racing in opposite directions, have revealed among other things that the bubble around our solar system is squashed.

"The Voyagers are not actually inside the Local Fluff," Opher said. "But they are getting close and can sense what the cloud is like as they approach it."

The Fluff is held at bay just beyond the edge of the solar system by the sun's magnetic field, which is inflated by solar wind into a magnetic bubble more than 6.2 billion miles wide (10 billion km). Called the "heliosphere," this bubble protect the inner solar system from galactic cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The two Voyagers are located in the outermost layer of the heliosphere, or "heliosheath," where the solar wind is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas.

Voyager 1 entered the heliosheath in December 2004. Voyager 2 followed in August 2007. These crossings provided key data for the new study.

Other interstellar clouds might also be magnetized, Opher and colleagues figure. And we could eventually run into some of them.

"Their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now," according to NASA. "Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space."


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Here's one dated more recently - 01/15/10.

[link to science.nasa.gov]
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Thread: Remember that Ribbon at the Edge of our Solar System? --UPDATE!
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I think I know the one you are talking about....was the rope a giant serpent?

If so the legend associated with it is that the good pulling on one side of the side 9head side I think) and the evil pulling on the other, churn the milkyway to produce the elixer of Imortality!

****

YES It is translated as THE GOOD and THE EVIL ... White versus Black/light versus dark

The light SUN : ous sun
The Dark SUN : the twin ...

Positive versus negative :
could be also interpreted as the positive electick charges and negative charges, push and pull charges-forces.
This is not about god-good and evil-bad, but more about influences and science instead of religion.

"The Churning took place at the beginning of the Golden Age (Krta Yuga), at which time the celestial forces of light (Devas) and the forces of darkness (Asuras) agreed to cooperate in an effort to generate the elixir of immortality known as Amrita by churning the great ocean that surrounded the planet. The Demigods uprooted Mount Mandara (Sanskrit for "cream" or "clarified butter") from its resting place at the Earth's north pole, and transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean. "

-Churning of the Milk Ocean > milky way
-the Golden Age > timespan ahead of us, our future
-celestial forces of light > our sun
-forces of darkness > dark dwarf sun
-elixir of immortality > life bringin and seeding, mutation changes so that life can live on
-transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean > a tubelike thing like discussed before such as the sun and the earth connects magneticaly could also be the fact connetcing earth to the centre of the galaxy ...

Look to it with the knowledge we have been discussing in this thread ;)





Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?
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It's attraction and repulsion... Positive attracts negative and negative attracts positive, same charges repel. Electricity flows from positive to negative. And all is immortal in the universe, matter cannot be destroyed... only transmuted, matter can change states and also be converted into energy. Eventually when this planet gets gobbled by the sun all the matter on Earth will be converted into energy and eventually travel the universe in the form of radiation (energy) or particles or dust (plasma/matter).

This person is insane stuck inside beliefs...

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It's attraction and repulsion... Positive attracts negative and negative attracts positive, same charges repel. Electricity flows from positive to negative. And all is immortal in the universe, matter cannot be destroyed... only transmuted, matter can change states and also be converted into energy. Eventually when this planet gets gobbled by the sun all the matter on Earth will be converted into energy and eventually travel the universe in the form of radiation (energy) or particles or dust (plasma/matter).
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You leave out neutral.
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hf

bookmarked!!
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I think the summary in this thread was good already. Current mainstream/accepted scientific theories do not allow us to understand what IBEX has found, all they know is there's a high energy, high density plasma streaming into our solar system past the weakened magnetic field of the sun (heliosphere). Why do they insist on calling plasma ENA? Is it because the overall charge of the plasma is balanced and therefore considered neutral? Accelerated CHARGED particles make up the majority of the solar wind (a low density plasma) and the interstellar wind should be the same, just different density temperature/energy and composition.



Regardless of the exact composition and characteristics of the plasma we know that it's already caused an increase in cosmic rays dramatically in the past few years, compressed the sun's magnetic field to 50% of what it was 20 years ago, altered the sun's behaviour contrary to our predictions and models and (lack of) understanding. Our changing climate, extreme weather etc are all caused by something, remember cause and effect?

If "climate change" is not the result of human actions, at least directly, then the cause must be from space or within the Earth. Considering there is plasma (molten rock and metal aka lava) within the Earth it would suggest a connection to plasma that surrounds us. And according to Anthony L. Perrat as I posted in the emails (plasma physicist in Los Alamos Nuclear facility) a dense plasma has already entered our solar system.

Understand plasma or not, it's there and makes up 99.99% of the visible universe, matter as we know it, solids, liquids and gases, are only a fraction of .1%, an anomaly.
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Xenus, can you provide a link where the high density plasma streaming into our solar system past the weakened magnetic field of the sun (heliosphere)? The reason I am asking for it is that I haven't found that to be shown yet. Nowhere have I seen in the articles state that this phenom has actually penetrated the heliosphere. If it truly has, from a scientific article, it is a HUGE finding.

Also, can you show where you equate ENA particles to plasma. I don't understand the exact science of this plasma yet. Is it due to its temp of 6000K? Does that form a plasma when particles are at that temp?
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From my plasma thread.

Background

Extending from the top of the middle atmosphere to some hundreds of kilometers into space is the Earth's upper atmosphere (Figure 1.2) and its embedded ionosphere. This tenuous layer of neutral and charged particles shields the human habitat from high energy solar radiation and particles, enables part of the extensive communication network on which society increasingly relies, and is the medium in which thousands of spacecraft now orbit. Unlike the relatively placid lower atmosphere, the upper atmosphere is a region of extreme spatial and temporal variability, constantly agitated by solar radiative and auroral forcings. Driving the processes that at any instant define the physical state of the upper atmosphere and ionosphere is the solar radiation at wavelengths less than about 180 nm. Many of the region's continually changing physical phenomena derive directly or indirectly from changes in this radiation and from the impact of energetic particles channeled into the upper atmosphere at high latitudes via the Earth's magnetic field.

While solar variability exerts a dominating influence on the Earth's upper atmosphere, any direct effect on the biosphere appears to be more subtle than that exerted by solar forcing of the middle and lower atmospheres. The fact that the highly variable upper atmosphere is coupled to the middle atmosphere through chemical, radiative, and dynamical
mechanisms, and to the troposphere through the global electric circuit, cannot be ignored. Understanding how the upper atmosphere varies naturally, and how it may be affected by human activities, is necessary from a societal and economic perspective because of the critical role played by the upper atmosphere in communications, navigation, national defense, and a wide assortment of space related endeavors, including the presence of humans in space. Furthermore, current modeling studies indicate that the upper atmosphere may itself be sensitive to global change caused by human activities.
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The information is out there just in many many pieces with different terms and viewpoints all trying to describe something we don't understand because we like to divide and dissect things in order to understand it, find how the parts work together in the whole and we do this in segregated and compartmentalized groups. Electromagnetic Radiation/energy excites matter, doesn't this excite you? When everyone finally understands that something is happening maybe then we can start to work out what... Instead of blindly following beliefs and assuming you know, try thinking based upon what we do know.

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Xenus, can you provide a link where the high density plasma streaming into our solar system past the weakened magnetic field of the sun (heliosphere)? The reason I am asking for it is that I haven't found that to be shown yet. Nowhere have I seen in the articles state that this phenom has actually penetrated the heliosphere. If it truly has, from a scientific article, it is a HUGE finding.

Also, can you show where you equate ENA particles to plasma. I don't understand the exact science of this plasma yet. Is it due to its temp of 6000K? Does that form a plasma when particles are at that temp?


At those temperature/energy levels matter can ONLY exist as a plasma.

Thread: PLASMA, its importance and why you should know about it. Warning, educational.

I created this thread to explain in the most simplest terms what a plasma is, there's a few resources there for the not so scientifically inclined.

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When everyone finally understands that something is happening maybe then we can start to work out what... Instead of blindly following beliefs and assuming you know, try thinking based upon what we do know.
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I think I will continue to prefer to ask why....
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From my plasma thread.

Background

Extending from the top of the middle atmosphere to some hundreds of kilometers into space is the Earth's upper atmosphere (Figure 1.2) and its embedded ionosphere. This tenuous layer of neutral and charged particles shields the human habitat from high energy solar radiation and particles, enables part of the extensive communication network on which society increasingly relies, and is the medium in which thousands of spacecraft now orbit. Unlike the relatively placid lower atmosphere, the upper atmosphere is a region of extreme spatial and temporal variability, constantly agitated by solar radiative and auroral forcings. Driving the processes that at any instant define the physical state of the upper atmosphere and ionosphere is the solar radiation at wavelengths less than about 180 nm. Many of the region's continually changing physical phenomena derive directly or indirectly from changes in this radiation and from the impact of energetic particles channeled into the upper atmosphere at high latitudes via the Earth's magnetic field.

While solar variability exerts a dominating influence on the Earth's upper atmosphere, any direct effect on the biosphere appears to be more subtle than that exerted by solar forcing of the middle and lower atmospheres. The fact that the highly variable upper atmosphere is coupled to the middle atmosphere through chemical, radiative, and dynamical
mechanisms, and to the troposphere through the global electric circuit, cannot be ignored. Understanding how the upper atmosphere varies naturally, and how it may be affected by human activities, is necessary from a societal and economic perspective because of the critical role played by the upper atmosphere in communications, navigation, national defense, and a wide assortment of space related endeavors, including the presence of humans in space. Furthermore, current modeling studies indicate that the upper atmosphere may itself be sensitive to global change caused by human activities.
[link to www.nap.edu]

Thread: PLASMA, its importance and why you should know about it. Warning, educational.

The information is out there just in many many pieces with different terms and viewpoints all trying to describe something we don't understand because we like to divide and dissect things in order to understand it, find how the parts work together in the whole and we do this in segregated and compartmentalized groups. Electromagnetic Radiation/energy excites matter, doesn't this excite you? When everyone finally understands that something is happening maybe then we can start to work out what... Instead of blindly following beliefs and assuming you know, try thinking based upon what we do know.
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Mmmm, I love systems theory. BTW Xenus, I haven't had time to read through everything, so if I am asking something that you have posted previously, I apologize.
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2012 Nexus Event – Unknown Form of Energy comes our way:
[link to 2012portal.myfeedportal.com]
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Hi! what is this document? is it a book?
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When everyone finally understands that something is happening maybe then we can start to work out what... Instead of blindly following beliefs and assuming you know, try thinking based upon what we do know.


I think I will continue to prefer to ask why....
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That's something that should be fairly obvious... Either natural or the human impact on our environments. (or both) That includes the atmosphere and space. If there is an overall "balance of charges and energies" in the solar system with each planet having it's own charge then we may have "attracted" something to us. Then again this could be a completely natural and cyclical event seeing as how there is evidence that shows us cosmic ray flux was a magnitude or two higher than it is now and there was a lot more electrical activity thousands of years ago.

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Thanks Sicks for keeping track of that other thread and for starting this one.

I was immediately drawn to the "close" thread not so much for the information that the OP was giving out, but the topics that sprung up from what he said.

These topics resonate with me in a way that I cannot explain. This just feels right to me.

We are electrical beings on an electrical planet in an electrical universe. It only makes sense that some of us can "feel" this on a primal level, because the forces of the universe also flow through us.

These threads have gone far beyond anything the OP said. His revelations along with all of the strange things happening universally have kindled something visceral in quite a few of us.

Now if we can only keep the thoughts and ideas flowing, perhaps we can come up with a way to reconcile...to find equilibrium.

Here, I'll throw another log on the fire...

It seems to me that when speaking about changes in magnetism and in bodies due to gravity that one cannot overlook induction. Perhaps a charge (or a fluctuation in charge) is being induced in the core of the Earth and is being dispersed as heat.

Just a random thought... thanks again for the great threads, my mind hasn't stopped churning since about page 6 of the "close" thread. :)
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MAGNETIC PORTALS CONNECTING THE EARTH and SUN

aka MAGNETIC FLUX TUBES

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Oct. 30, 2008: During the time it takes you to read this article, something will happen high overhead that until recently many scientists didn't believe in. A magnetic portal will open, linking Earth to the sun 93 million miles away. Tons of high-energy particles may flow through the opening before it closes again, around the time you reach the end of the page.

"It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,'" says space physicist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible."

Indeed, today Sibeck is telling an international assembly of space physicists at the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Alabama, that FTEs are not just common, but possibly twice as common as anyone had ever imagined.

Right: An artist's concept of Earth's magnetic field connecting to the sun's--a.k.a. a "flux transfer event"--with a spacecraft on hand to measure particles and fields. [Larger image]

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. Earth's magnetosphere (the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet) is filled with particles from the sun that arrive via the solar wind and penetrate the planet's magnetic defenses. They enter by following magnetic field lines that can be traced from terra firma all the way back to the sun's atmosphere.



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"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," says Sibeck. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."
Several speakers at the Workshop have outlined how FTEs form: On the dayside of Earth (the side closest to the sun), Earth's magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. Approximately every eight minutes, the two fields briefly merge or "reconnect," forming a portal through which particles can flow. The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth. The European Space Agency's fleet of four Cluster spacecraft and NASA's five THEMIS probes have flown through and surrounded these cylinders, measuring their dimensions and sensing the particles that shoot through. "They're real," says Sibeck.

Now that Cluster and THEMIS have directly sampled FTEs, theorists can use those measurements to simulate FTEs in their computers and predict how they might behave. Space physicist Jimmy Raeder of the University of New Hampshire presented one such simulation at the Workshop. He told his colleagues that the cylindrical portals tend to form above Earth's equator and then roll over Earth's winter pole. In December, FTEs roll over the north pole; in July they roll over the south pole.

Right: A "magnetic portal" or FTE mapped in cross-section by NASA's fleet of THEMIS spacecraft. [Larger image]

Sibeck believes this is happening twice as often as previously thought. "I think there are two varieties of FTEs: active and passive." Active FTEs are magnetic cylinders that allow particles to flow through rather easily; they are important conduits of energy for Earth's magnetosphere. Passive FTEs are magnetic cylinders that offer more resistance; their internal structure does not admit such an easy flow of particles and fields. (For experts: Active FTEs form at equatorial latitudes when the IMF tips south; passive FTEs form at higher latitudes when the IMF tips north.) Sibeck has calculated the properties of passive FTEs and he is encouraging his colleagues to hunt for signs of them in data from THEMIS and Cluster. "Passive FTEs may not be very important, but until we know more about them we can't be sure."

There are many unanswered questions: Why do the portals form every 8 minutes? How do magnetic fields inside the cylinder twist and coil? "We're doing some heavy thinking about this at the Workshop," says Sibeck.

Meanwhile, high above your head, a new portal is opening, connecting your planet to the sun.

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Here is a depiction of the earth superimposed on the part of the sun to which the earth is magnetically connected, just for a good visual of the above explanation.

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The common image is of an eight-pointed star. This motif has been employed by the Micmac for centuries in ancient legends and continues to symbolize unity today. The eight arms of the star point in the four cardinal directions. The number four is doubled to reflect understanding that all that one sees is not necessarily all that is perceptible (The Great Mystery.)

In oral tradition, the Micmac, like all other people, originated from the center of the Earth. Four groups of people were created: the red, the yelow, the black and the white. These colors are also the primary colors associated with the four directions. Each group was sent to one of the four directions with a mission to carry out. When the mission was completed, the groups were to return to the center, where there would be great harmony. The circle surrounding the eight-pointed star is an acknowledgement of the sun that surrounds the people of all clans.
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I think I know the one you are talking about....was the rope a giant serpent?

If so the legend associated with it is that the good pulling on one side of the side 9head side I think) and the evil pulling on the other, churn the milkyway to produce the elixer of Imortality!

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YES It is translated as THE GOOD and THE EVIL ... White versus Black/light versus dark

The light SUN : ous sun
The Dark SUN : the twin ...

Positive versus negative :
could be also interpreted as the positive electick charges and negative charges, push and pull charges-forces.
This is not about god-good and evil-bad, but more about influences and science instead of religion.

"The Churning took place at the beginning of the Golden Age (Krta Yuga), at which time the celestial forces of light (Devas) and the forces of darkness (Asuras) agreed to cooperate in an effort to generate the elixir of immortality known as Amrita by churning the great ocean that surrounded the planet. The Demigods uprooted Mount Mandara (Sanskrit for "cream" or "clarified butter") from its resting place at the Earth's north pole, and transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean. "

-Churning of the Milk Ocean > milky way
-the Golden Age > timespan ahead of us, our future
-celestial forces of light > our sun
-forces of darkness > dark dwarf sun
-elixir of immortality > life bringin and seeding, mutation changes so that life can live on
-transported it to the center of the great Milk Ocean > a tubelike thing like discussed before such as the sun and the earth connects magneticaly could also be the fact connetcing earth to the centre of the galaxy ...

Look to it with the knowledge we have been discussing in this thread ;)


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Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?
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It is not about the churning,
its about that rope and dark and light (positive and negative), wich I believe is a reference to CHARGES.

Look at this :
WIKI
"Churning is the process of shaking up whole milk (or cream) to make butter.
Changing whole milk to butter is a process of transforming a fat-in-water emulsion (milk) to a water-in-fat emulsion (butter).
Butter is made from cream that has been separated from whole milk and then cooled (> planets have cooled .. ) ; fat droplets clump more easily when hard rather than soft. (> clumping of a solarsystem) However, making good butter (> inhabitable planets) also depends upon other factors, such as the fat content of the cream and its acidity (> toxic and acid gasses and fluids in the atmosphere, water and oxigen etc) .

The process can be summarized in 3 steps:

1.Churning physically agitates the cream until it ruptures the fragile membranes surrounding the milk fat. Once broken, the fat droplets can join with each other and form clumps of fat, or butter grains. > Forming of STARS
2.As churning continues, larger clusters of fat collect until they begin to form a network (> Forming galaxy's or solarsystems)
with the air bubbles (> athmosfere?) that are generated by the churning; this traps the liquid and produces a foam. (> Traps the magma and produces a crust)
As the fat clumps increase in size, there are also fewer to enclose the air cells. So the bubbles pop, run together, and the foam begins to leak. This leakage is called buttermilk.
3.The cream separates into butter and buttermilk. The buttermilk is drained off, and the remaining butter is kneaded to form a network of fat crystals that becomes the continuous phase, or dispersion medium, of a water-in-fat emulsion. Working the butter also creates its desired smoothness. Eventually the water droplets become so finely dispersed in the fat that butter’s texture seems dry. Then it is frozen into cubes, then melted, then frozen again into bigger chunks to sell."

The CHURNING OF THE MILKY OCEANS is for me an explenation how galaxy's were formed and how mass and energy and materials/matter and fluids were divided, resulting in many types of butter (of planets/or solarsystems)
The used words are so simplistic and translated into something/a principle that was understandable for and known to the people of that timeperiod ... just the same when you ask a little uneducated child to explain how a car works, it will use words (metaphores) that are known to him.

Thats why you have to look again at these old storytellings with the knowledge we poses and understand now ...
This story is about making the univers or a part of the univers the milkyway and what forces are working with it and in it.

Maybe this ROPE, the RIBBON that is found by NASA is about to alter this piece of space again like it has done many times before, and it is time once again to stirr up the butter to a next level ????
The reliëf is talking about a proces that occurs many times,
like the comming influence of the Ribbon is also only a natural repeating proces.
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Thanks Sicks for keeping track of that other thread and for starting this one.

I was immediately drawn to the "close" thread not so much for the information that the OP was giving out, but the topics that sprung up from what he said.

These topics resonate with me in a way that I cannot explain. This just feels right to me.

We are electrical beings on an electrical planet in an electrical universe. It only makes sense that some of us can "feel" this on a primal level, because the forces of the universe also flow through us.

These threads have gone far beyond anything the OP said. His revelations along with all of the strange things happening universally have kindled something visceral in quite a few of us.

Now if we can only keep the thoughts and ideas flowing, perhaps we can come up with a way to reconcile...to find equilibrium.

Here, I'll throw another log on the fire...

It seems to me that when speaking about changes in magnetism and in bodies due to gravity that one cannot overlook induction. Perhaps a charge (or a fluctuation in charge) is being induced in the core of the Earth and is being dispersed as heat.

Just a random thought... thanks again for the great threads, my mind hasn't stopped churning since about page 6 of the "close" thread. :)
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It is about positively, negatively and neutrally charged ENERGY. I had been drawn to it for the same reason as you, and many others. I have an insatiable need for knowledge, and when something rings right for me, I am all over it.

Yes, keep the thoughts and ideas flowing. i will try and structure much of the information, dissecting out of the thread certain material that I and others deem irrelevant, and updating posts with summaries of pertinent information. That way we can see some of the connections without having to traipse through an entire thread. We can just jump to certain pages if we are curious about a certain phenom.

One thing I want everyone to try and do (when possible) is summarize briefly in laymen terms any highly educated input. If a certain person posts something but doesn't have time to summarize, maybe someone else can summarize with a question to the original poster, "RIGHT?" That way, others won't get drowned in 'over the head' theories or ideas.

PLEASE, if anyone have other suggestions, throw them out. I will try and structure the thread every now and then to keep everyone up to date (kinda like I did on the last one).

Good luck, and may the force be with you
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When everyone finally understands that something is happening maybe then we can start to work out what... Instead of blindly following beliefs and assuming you know, try thinking based upon what we do know.


I think I will continue to prefer to ask why....


That's something that should be fairly obvious... Either natural or the human impact on our environments. (or both) That includes the atmosphere and space. If there is an overall "balance of charges and energies" in the solar system with each planet having it's own charge then we may have "attracted" something to us. Then again this could be a completely natural and cyclical event seeing as how there is evidence that shows us cosmic ray flux was a magnitude or two higher than it is now and there was a lot more electrical activity thousands of years ago.
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That's right.
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Things I'm thinking about this thread:

Yes, keep the thoughts and ideas flowing. i will try and structure much of the information, dissecting out of the thread certain material that I and others deem irrelevant, and updating posts with summaries of pertinent information. That way we can see some of the connections without having to traipse through an entire thread. We can just jump to certain pages if we are curious about a certain phenom.

One thing I want everyone to try and do (when possible) is summarize briefly in laymen terms any highly educated input. If a certain person posts something but doesn't have time to summarize, maybe someone else can summarize with a question to the original poster, "RIGHT?" That way, others won't get drowned in 'over the head' theories or ideas.

PLEASE, if anyone have other suggestions, throw them out. I will try and structure the thread every now and then to keep everyone up to date (kinda like I did on the last one).

Good luck, and may the force be with you

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(...)

Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?

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It's attraction and repulsion... Positive attracts negative and negative attracts positive, same charges repel. Electricity flows from positive to negative. And all is immortal in the universe, matter cannot be destroyed... only transmuted, matter can change states and also be converted into energy. Eventually when this planet gets gobbled by the sun all the matter on Earth will be converted into energy and eventually travel the universe in the form of radiation (energy) or particles or dust (plasma/matter).

This person is insane stuck inside beliefs...
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Nice words Xenus hf
Just like making butter ...lol...
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It is not about the churning,
its about that rope and dark and light (positive and negative), wich I believe is a reference to CHARGES.

Look at this :
WIKI
"Churning is the process of shaking up whole milk (or cream) to make butter.
Changing whole milk to butter is a process of transforming a fat-in-water emulsion (milk) to a water-in-fat emulsion (butter).
Butter is made from cream that has been separated from whole milk and then cooled (> planets have cooled .. ) ; fat droplets clump more easily when hard rather than soft. (> clumping of a solarsystem) However, making good butter (> inhabitable planets) also depends upon other factors, such as the fat content of the cream and its acidity (> toxic and acid gasses and fluids in the atmosphere, water and oxigen etc) .

The process can be summarized in 3 steps:

1.Churning physically agitates the cream until it ruptures the fragile membranes surrounding the milk fat. Once broken, the fat droplets can join with each other and form clumps of fat, or butter grains. > Forming of STARS
2.As churning continues, larger clusters of fat collect until they begin to form a network (> Forming galaxy's or solarsystems)
with the air bubbles (> athmosfere?) that are generated by the churning; this traps the liquid and produces a foam. (> Traps the magma and produces a crust)
As the fat clumps increase in size, there are also fewer to enclose the air cells. So the bubbles pop, run together, and the foam begins to leak. This leakage is called buttermilk.
3.The cream separates into butter and buttermilk. The buttermilk is drained off, and the remaining butter is kneaded to form a network of fat crystals that becomes the continuous phase, or dispersion medium, of a water-in-fat emulsion. Working the butter also creates its desired smoothness. Eventually the water droplets become so finely dispersed in the fat that butter’s texture seems dry. Then it is frozen into cubes, then melted, then frozen again into bigger chunks to sell."

The CHURNING OF THE MILKY OCEANS is for me an explenation how galaxy's were formed and how mass and energy and materials/matter and fluids were divided, resulting in many types of butter (of planets/or solarsystems)
The used words are so simplistic and translated into something/a principle that was understandable for and known to the people of that timeperiod ... just the same when you ask a little uneducated child to explain how a car works, it will use words (metaphores) that are known to him.

Thats why you have to look again at these old storytellings with the knowledge we poses and understand now ...
This story is about making the univers or a part of the univers the milkyway and what forces are working with it and in it.

Maybe this ROPE, the RIBBON that is found by NASA is about to alter this piece of space again like it has done many times before, and it is time once again to stirr up the butter to a next level ????
The reliëf is talking about a proces that occurs many times,
like the comming influence of the Ribbon is also only a natural repeating proces.
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Okay. So then it is your own interpretation of it.
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THEMIS satellite has shown us that we're connected to the sun... I posted about it a few times but I guess no one was interested last year. >_<

We rely on the Sun's energy to live on Earth and the aurora relies on the Sun's energy to drive the currents that make the aurora. The Sun is our nearest star. It is, as all stars are, a hot ball of gas made up mostly of Hydrogen. The Sun is so hot that most of the gas is actually plasma, the fourth state of matter.

The first state is a solid and it is the coldest state of matter. As we heat up a solid it becomes liquid. Liquid is the second state of matter. As we heat up liquid, the liquid turns to gas. Gas is the third state of matter. As we heat up the gas, atoms break apart into charged particles turning the gas into plasma. This is not the same type of plasma that is found in your blood: same name, different stuff.

The Sun's plasma is so hot that the most energetic charged particles can escape from the Sun's gravity and fly away, out into space. We call this plasma the solar wind because it blows out away from the Sun and past the planets, interacting with their magnetic fields and/or atmospheres. Along with the solar wind comes the Sun's magnetic field, which reaches from the Sun out to past Pluto and Neptune.

Charged particles and magnetic fields influence each other. So when the solar wind, which is made up of charged particles, blows past Earth's magnetosphere, the shape of the magnetic field changes from the dipole magnetic field -- shown on Earth's Magnetosphere page -- to a plasma-swept magnetosphere that looks more like someone's hair got blown in the wind. This interaction between the Sun's plasma wind and Earth's magnetosphere is known as the Sun-Earth Connection.

The side of the magnetosphere getting hit by the solar wind is called the "dayside magnetosphere" because it is facing the Sun. The part of the magnetosphere that stretches back as though it were streaming with the solar wind is called the magnetotail. The magnetotail is very important to the THEMIS mission.

The every day interaction between the solar wind and Earth's magnetic fields causes currents to flow between Earth's upper atmosphere and the magnetosphere, mostly the magnetotail. And just as currents flow through a neon light to light up the gas, the currents flow between the magnetotail and upper atmosphere light up Earth's gases to cause the aurora.

Sometimes the magnetosphere stores more energy than it can release in a slow manner and something inside the magnetotail "breaks" and waves and currents are generated that trigger the beautiful and mysterious dancing aurora that we've been talking about on these THEMIS science pages. THEMIS will solve the long standing mystery as to what triggers this energy release in the magnetotail that leads to an auroral substorm.

[link to ds9.ssl.berkeley.edu]

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
Magnetosphere simulation.

Space tornadoes span a volume of space about the size of the Earth, and funnel hot ionized gas into the ionosphere, triggering bright auroras.

(PhysOrg.com) -- Earth-bound tornadoes are puny compared to "space tornadoes," which span a volume as large as Earth and produce electrical currents exceeding 100,000 amperes, according to new observations by a suite of five NASA space probes.

The probe cluster, called Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions during Substorms (THEMIS), recorded the extent and power of these electrical funnels as the probes passed through them during their orbit of Earth. Ground measurements showed that the space tornadoes channel the electrical current into the ionosphere to spark bright and colorful auroras on Earth.

The findings were presented today at the general assembly of the European Geosciences Union (EGU) in Vienna, Austria.

Space tornadoes are rotating plasmas of hot, ionized gas flowing at speeds of more than a million miles per hour, far faster than the 200 m.p.h. winds of terrestrial tornadoes, according to Andreas Keiling, a research space physicist at the University of California, Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory.

Keiling works on THEMIS, which was built and is now operated by UC Berkeley. The five space probes were launched by NASA in February 2007 to solve a decades-long mystery about the origin of magnetic storms that power the Northern and Southern Lights

Both terrestrial and space tornadoes consist of funnel-shaped structures. Space tornadoes, however, generate huge amounts of electrical currents inside the funnel. These currents flow along twisted magnetic field lines from space into the ionosphere where they power several processes, most notably bright auroras such as the Northern Lights, Keiling said.

While these intense currents do not cause any direct harm to humans, on the ground they can damage man-made structures, such as power transformers.

The THEMIS spacecraft observed these tornadoes, or "flow vortices," at a distance of about 40,000 miles from Earth. Simultaneous measurements by THEMIS ground observatories confirmed the tornadoes' connection to the ionosphere.

Keiling's colleagues include Karl-Heinz Glassmeier of the Institute for Geophysics and Extraterrestrial Physics (IGEP, TU) in Braunschweig, Germany, and Olaf Amm of the Finnish Meteorological Institute.

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Funnel-shaped aka SPIRAL. Like the spiral in Norway. Not a missile, a natural event.
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Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?

*****

It's attraction and repulsion... Positive attracts negative and negative attracts positive, same charges repel. Electricity flows from positive to negative. And all is immortal in the universe, matter cannot be destroyed... only transmuted, matter can change states and also be converted into energy. Eventually when this planet gets gobbled by the sun all the matter on Earth will be converted into energy and eventually travel the universe in the form of radiation (energy) or particles or dust (plasma/matter).

This person is insane stuck inside beliefs...


Nice words Xenus hf
Just like making butter ...lol...
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Actually you're very correct, plasma is fusion, the fusion of elements and transmutation, elements being fused to create other elements. It is very much like cooking. You need a recipe which tells you what temperature/energy you need what composition, what density and what electrical current you need to create any given element. From DNA to dust and galaxies they all form structures by an invisible force, we call it electromagnetic radiation and EM forces.

But what exactly are these forces? They are truly universal and connect everything.

I apologize for my little outburst there I just didn't understand what you were actually suggesting, sounded very new agey.
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It is not about the churning,
its about that rope and dark and light (positive and negative), wich I believe is a reference to CHARGES.

Look at this :
WIKI
"Churning is the process of shaking up whole milk (or cream) to make butter.
Changing whole milk to butter is a process of transforming a fat-in-water emulsion (milk) to a water-in-fat emulsion (butter).
Butter is made from cream that has been separated from whole milk and then cooled (> planets have cooled .. ) ; fat droplets clump more easily when hard rather than soft. (> clumping of a solarsystem) However, making good butter (> inhabitable planets) also depends upon other factors, such as the fat content of the cream and its acidity (> toxic and acid gasses and fluids in the atmosphere, water and oxigen etc) .

The process can be summarized in 3 steps:

1.Churning physically agitates the cream until it ruptures the fragile membranes surrounding the milk fat. Once broken, the fat droplets can join with each other and form clumps of fat, or butter grains. > Forming of STARS
2.As churning continues, larger clusters of fat collect until they begin to form a network (> Forming galaxy's or solarsystems)
with the air bubbles (> athmosfere?) that are generated by the churning; this traps the liquid and produces a foam. (> Traps the magma and produces a crust)
As the fat clumps increase in size, there are also fewer to enclose the air cells. So the bubbles pop, run together, and the foam begins to leak. This leakage is called buttermilk.
3.The cream separates into butter and buttermilk. The buttermilk is drained off, and the remaining butter is kneaded to form a network of fat crystals that becomes the continuous phase, or dispersion medium, of a water-in-fat emulsion. Working the butter also creates its desired smoothness. Eventually the water droplets become so finely dispersed in the fat that butter’s texture seems dry. Then it is frozen into cubes, then melted, then frozen again into bigger chunks to sell."

The CHURNING OF THE MILKY OCEANS is for me an explenation how galaxy's were formed and how mass and energy and materials/matter and fluids were divided, resulting in many types of butter (of planets/or solarsystems)
The used words are so simplistic and translated into something/a principle that was understandable for and known to the people of that timeperiod ... just the same when you ask a little uneducated child to explain how a car works, it will use words (metaphores) that are known to him.

Thats why you have to look again at these old storytellings with the knowledge we poses and understand now ...
This story is about making the univers or a part of the univers the milkyway and what forces are working with it and in it.

Maybe this ROPE, the RIBBON that is found by NASA is about to alter this piece of space again like it has done many times before, and it is time once again to stirr up the butter to a next level ????
The reliëf is talking about a proces that occurs many times,
like the comming influence of the Ribbon is also only a natural repeating proces.
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Okay. So then it is your own interpretation of it.
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Yes it is my own interpretation and my own bell that rang when I saw the words churning and milk ocean.
And the thing that enlightened my brain when they spoke about the 2 groups of people black and white/good and evil that is is not PEOPLE and RELIGION (god/devil) they are talking about but positive and negative scientific forces, push and pull-forces that are about to influence this part of the galaxy.
It is adding up information and gathering insight through that proces.

Why do you ask these questions?
what is your own opinion?
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Is this your interpretation of the churning of the Milky Ocean?

*****

It's attraction and repulsion... Positive attracts negative and negative attracts positive, same charges repel. Electricity flows from positive to negative. And all is immortal in the universe, matter cannot be destroyed... only transmuted, matter can change states and also be converted into energy. Eventually when this planet gets gobbled by the sun all the matter on Earth will be converted into energy and eventually travel the universe in the form of radiation (energy) or particles or dust (plasma/matter).

This person is insane stuck inside beliefs...

*****

Nice words Xenus hf
Just like making butter ...lol...

*****

Actually you're very correct, plasma is fusion, the fusion of elements and transmutation, elements being fused to create other elements. It is very much like cooking. You need a recipe which tells you what temperature/energy you need what composition, what density and what electrical current you need to create any given element. From DNA to dust and galaxies they all form structures by an invisible force, we call it electromagnetic radiation and EM forces.

But what exactly are these forces? They are truly universal and connect everything.

I apologize for my little outburst there I just didn't understand what you were actually suggesting, sounded very new agey.
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Appology accepted ;)
I am a bit allergic to much of the NEW-AGED blabla myself, but I like to look at ancient things with the understanding of science. I know the ancient people tried to tell their offspring story's they could remember with their simple education, just like we tell our children simple story's that are actualy of great importance; we line up with their level of education and understanding.

I myself like to link science and mythology, coz they are like yin and yang, both have missing elements and pieces, they are complemental and additional.
I like to stand on 2 legs instead of only at 1 ... not only science OR mythical ;)

I am a bit of a wierdo, coz I understood trauma-psychology better through certain principals of quantum mechanica ...lol... Thats how my brain works, it is creative :P

hf

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