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The Petraeus briefing: Biden’s embarrassment is not the whole story
Posted By Mark Perry Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 11:05 PM
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On Jan. 16… a team of senior military officers from the U.S. Central Command (responsible for overseeing American security interests in the Middle East), arrived at the Pentagon to brief Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The team had been dispatched by CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus to underline his growing worries at the lack of progress in resolving the issue. The 33-slide, 45-minute PowerPoint briefing stunned Mullen. The briefers reported that there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM’s mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises, that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region, and that Mitchell himself was (as a senior Pentagon officer later bluntly described it) “too old, too slow … and too late.”

The January Mullen briefing was unprecedented. No previous CENTCOM commander had ever expressed himself on what is essentially a political issue; which is why the briefers were careful to tell Mullen that their conclusions followed from a December 2009 tour of the region where, on Petraeus’s instructions, they spoke to senior Arab leaders. “Everywhere they went, the message was pretty humbling,” a Pentagon officer familiar with the briefing says. “America was not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region was eroding.” But Petraeus wasn’t finished: two days after the Mullen briefing, Petraeus sent a paper to the White House requesting that the West Bank and Gaza (which, with Israel, is a part of the European Command — or EUCOM), be made a part of his area of operations. Petraeus’s reason was straightforward: with U.S. troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military had to be perceived by Arab leaders as engaged in the region’s most troublesome conflict.

Perry goes on to say that the briefing “hit the White House like a bombshell.” There’s no doubt that this is what inspired Biden’s comments. Indeed, this was plain from the Yedioth Ahronoth report, which went on, after quoting Biden, to state: “The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel’s actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism.”

The Netanyahu Government and its supporters in the United States want the controversies relating to Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip to be dealt with alone, detached from any impact they could have on the broader region and the interests the United States is pursuing there with its troop placement in two different theaters. That in fact reflects the way most American media report on these developments. But this approach is foolish, for reasons that the Petraeus briefing makes clear. Perry sees this as a struggle between two “lobbies,” namely the Israel lobby and the U.S. military. The Israel lobby is very powerful, he says, but how can it compete with the U.S. military asserting the imperative interest in the security of U.S. troops? The Netanyahu Government’s recent dealings reflect contempt for the Obama Administration and indifference at best for its position in the Middle East. These steps seem perfectly coordinated with neoconservatives in the United States, as shown in the “apology” offered on their behalf by Washington Post editorial writer Jackson Diehl (“Biden flunked,” he concludes, applying typically obtuse reasoning). The question is whether a close ally can throw juvenile tantrums and abuse its protector indefinitely without consequences. So far the answer appears to be: yes it can.
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hooooo boy.
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i think this backstory is p[in worthy!
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i get the page can not be found when using the link
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Bush and Reagan ignored Israel for a reason. The military walked right into this.

The best that can happen by trying to engage Israel (the Brits very own mini me) is the US of A gets to give Israel more money.

Israel like a land mine is not negotiable and not meant to be. Israel just sets there waiting to be detonated.
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i think this backstory is p[in worthy!
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As do I.
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would the obummas admin fail if he said no to NGO s he backed by acorn
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CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years

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when the poop hits world wide i think it will fall sooner
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There seems to be a major disconnect between what is stated in the article and what was actually laid out in the Conferences. It appears that the Muslim world was reading the US envoys the riot act over being Israel's proxy in the peace process that had nothing to do with peace at all, only the elimination of the Palestinians as the only realistic solution to US ignored Israeli aggressions.
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Very interesting!!
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CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years

[link to www.presstv.com]
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PressTV?

P R E S S T V ???????

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

whatever
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PressTV?

P R E S S T V ???????

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

whatever
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It is not just reported by PressTv, google it you ignorant fuck.
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All the ziotards should read, Biden clearly stated Israel puts American troops lives at risk with actions like this.

But you fucks don't care about your own people, just Israelis.
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PressTV?

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

whatever


It is not just reported by PressTv, google it you ignorant fuck.
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The only "ignorant fuck" here is YOO
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CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years

[link to www.presstv.com]
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They are in an untenable position. They have to solve their problems. There is no light at the end of the tunnel of procrastination, at this point.
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Maybe we should just unleash Germany again...
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All the ziotards should read, Biden clearly stated Israel puts American troops lives at risk with actions like this.

But you fucks don't care about your own people, just Israelis.
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By the way, WHAT is all over the internet? Solid proof that Israel won't exist in 20 years?

There's far more evidence that Iran won't exist my friend.

Anyways, there is no PROOF that Israel will not exist in 20 years, so it makes no difference what "links" you come up with on Google. They are all based on what I call "speculation out of wishful thinking"

At best, your Muslim friends will be mutually destroyed along with Israel. I don't see why you are so excited.
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Maybe we should just unleash Germany again...
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lol

you are such bad boys... thats whu all world wants to fuck you up your ass.

sad days...
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All the ziotards should read, Biden clearly stated Israel puts American troops lives at risk with actions like this.

But you fucks don't care about your own people, just Israelis.
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Well then, we can GET OUR TROOPS OUT of places where they don't belong. Don't blame anybody else for our stupidity and insistence on meddling in other peoples' business. And who give a blip what Biden clearly stated? Biden is even stupider than Obama.
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Folks - this is going to come to a head real fast ! It's simply a matter of who flinches first !
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Maybe we should just unleash Germany again...
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This time around, Germany didn't get sucked into Great Depression-style banking excesses, and they are not the world aggressors.

This time around, America is the new Germany.
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Maybe we should just unleash Germany again...


lol

you are such bad boys... thats whu all world wants to fuck you up your ass.

sad days...
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So right.

America has become a nasty place full of people too full of themselves.
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All the ziotards should read, Biden clearly stated Israel puts American troops lives at risk with actions like this.

But you fucks don't care about your own people, just Israelis.


By the way, WHAT is all over the internet? Solid proof that Israel won't exist in 20 years?

There's far more evidence that Iran won't exist my friend.

Anyways, there is no PROOF that Israel will not exist in 20 years, so it makes no difference what "links" you come up with on Google. They are all based on what I call "speculation out of wishful thinking"

At best, your Muslim friends will be mutually destroyed along with Israel. I don't see why you are so excited.
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You Americans are so fucking stupid. I did not say it, your own CIA said it. My God. Fucking retards.
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. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
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41 He shall enter also into the glorious land,
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and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.





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