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BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky

 
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BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
WOW, PROOF of NEMESIS?!

This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.


"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."


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ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY PRESS NOTICE

Date: 7 October 1999
For immediate release

Ref. PN 99/32
Issued by: Dr Jacqueline Mitton
RAS Press Officer
Phone: Cambridge ((0)1223) 564914
FAX: Cambridge ((0)1223) 572892
E-mail: jmitton@dial.pipex.com

RAS Web: [link to www.ras.org.uk]

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CONTACT FOR THIS RELEASE

Dr John B. Murray (j.b.murray@open.ac.uk)
Phone: 01908 652118

Dept. of Earth Sciences, The Open University,
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA

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PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.

Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.

The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.

So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.

Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.
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Interesting. Confirms what you have been saying in your other thread.

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Interesting. Confirms what you have been saying in your other thread.

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Yes, this is a huge verification of "Some of you are close" OP's testimony.
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WOW, PROOF of NEMESIS?!

This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.


"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."


[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY PRESS NOTICE

Date: 7 October 1999
For immediate release

Ref. PN 99/32
Issued by: Dr Jacqueline Mitton
RAS Press Officer
Phone: Cambridge ((0)1223) 564914
FAX: Cambridge ((0)1223) 572892
E-mail: jmitton@dial.pipex.com

RAS Web: [link to www.ras.org.uk]

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

CONTACT FOR THIS RELEASE

Dr John B. Murray (j.b.murray@open.ac.uk)
Phone: 01908 652118

Dept. of Earth Sciences, The Open University,
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA

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PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.

Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.

The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.

So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.

Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.

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thanks for sharing this. been enjoying your posts, OP

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thanks for sharing this. been enjoying your posts, OP

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No problem!
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hidden in plain sight...
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hidden in plain sight...
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That is their MO
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Here is the actual scientific paper from the research team (scientist/professors) out of the University of Lousiana.

Cometary evidence of a massive body in the outer Oort cloud
J. J. Matese1
P. G. Whitman
D. P. Whitmire
Department of Physics
The University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Lafayette, Louisiana, 70504-4210 USA

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So if it's a Brown Dwarf why would it necessarily be brighter if behind the Oort cloud.

Isn't the cloud called that for a reason, much debris and "cloudy" in form?

Anyway, this has to be the case. The only way the stars can fall from heaven as predicted is if a brown dwarf star of this sort does move into a closer orbit with earth.

It also states the sun will be darkened, which seems to indicate either many large hits by the debris field, (comets/asteroids) being pulled into earth orbit, or the star itself will position betwee between the sun and earth, thus blocking out the sun for a period of time depending on whether it gets caught or slowed down between the planets.

The moon turning to blood means that much dust either from massive wind storms (ie due to the immense gravitational changes affecting our weather) or hits from the "falling stars" will be thick enough to make the moon "turn red".

I've seen the moon as red as blood after a particularly bad windstorm kicked up massive amounts of dust. It looks cool but a bit freaky.


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So if it's a Brown Dwarf why would it necessarily be brighter if behind the Oort cloud.

Isn't the cloud called that for a reason, much debris and "cloudy" in form?

Anyway, this has to be the case. The only way the stars can fall from heaven as predicted is if a brown dwarf star of this sort does move into a closer orbit with earth.

It also states the sun will be darkened, which seems to indicate either many large hits by the debris field, (comets/asteroids) being pulled into earth orbit, or the star itself will position betwee between the sun and earth, thus blocking out the sun for a period of time depending on whether it gets caught or slowed down between the planets.

The moon turning to blood means that much dust either from massive wind storms (ie due to the immense gravitational changes affecting our weather) or hits from the "falling stars" will be thick enough to make the moon "turn red".

I've seen the moon as red as blood after a particularly bad windstorm kicked up massive amounts of dust. It looks cool but a bit freaky.


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Comets and astroids won't make the Sun go dark for 3 days. I am still confused about that one. Personally, I have my reservations that that is actually a 'physical' trait we will observe, but some type of symbology of something else.
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I copied this from another thread, but it is a VERY telling article.

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March 14th, 2010:
It sounds like something out of Star Trek, but it's all too real: a few months ago NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon of atomic particles floating at the edge of our solar system.
Nothing like the space ribbon has ever been seen before, and when NASA scientists first saw the data, they were stunned. As they double-checked the data and determined that the readings were in not in error, and as they realized the immense size of what they were beholding, they may well have had the same creeping sense of horror and awe as when it gradually dawned on the cast of Star Wars that they were seeing the Death Star.

NASA found itself in the nervous position of having to publicly admit that there was something huge, radioactive and invisible out there, right by our own solar system, and we have no clue what it's doing there. Not only that, but both our previous Voyager deep-space probes failed to detect it. "This is a shocking new result," said IBEX principal investigator Dave McComas. "We had no idea this ribbon existed - or what has created it."

The current attempt to explain the mysterious ribbon is a theory that it's a reflection of solar wind particles being reflected back into the solar system by a galactic magnetic field. They've whipped up a mathematical model that, made to order, predicts a boomerang shaped barrier much like the one that is baffling astronomers. Not everyone agrees with the theory, however, and we can probably expect much wrangling, arguing, and forehead-smiting for a long time to come.

"This is an important finding," says Arik Posner, IBEX program scientist, quoted on NASA's website. "Interstellar space just beyond the edge of the solar system is mostly unexplored territory. Now we know, there could be a strong, well-organized magnetic field sitting right on our doorstep."

What this means for Earth's future is uncertain. As the latest NASA article on the space ribbon states:

And upon this field, the future may hinge.

The solar system is passing through a region of the Milky Way filled with cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The magnetic field of our own sun, inflated by the solar wind into a bubble called the "heliosphere," substantially protects us from these things. However, the bubble itself is vulnerable to external fields. A strong magnetic field just outside the solar system could press against the heliosphere and interact with it in unknown ways. Will this strengthen our natural shielding - or weaken it? No one can say.


These discoveries about the outer fringe of our solar system come at a time when new NASA revelations have piled up so fast and so frequently that our paradigm is completely changing again and again without the general public even really being aware. Most of us grew up being told in school that there were nine, maybe ten, planets in the solar system, and we now know that there are hundreds of thousands of them. And far from being chunky bits of asteroid debris as previously believed, we now know that many of them are spherical and even have their own moons, like the planet Pulcova or the planet Haumea or the astonishingly Earth-like planet Ceres.

It's a whole new ball game in space.
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So if it's a Brown Dwarf why would it necessarily be brighter if behind the Oort cloud.

Isn't the cloud called that for a reason, much debris and "cloudy" in form?

Anyway, this has to be the case. The only way the stars can fall from heaven as predicted is if a brown dwarf star of this sort does move into a closer orbit with earth.

It also states the sun will be darkened, which seems to indicate either many large hits by the debris field, (comets/asteroids) being pulled into earth orbit, or the star itself will position betwee between the sun and earth, thus blocking out the sun for a period of time depending on whether it gets caught or slowed down between the planets.

The moon turning to blood means that much dust either from massive wind storms (ie due to the immense gravitational changes affecting our weather) or hits from the "falling stars" will be thick enough to make the moon "turn red".

I've seen the moon as red as blood after a particularly bad windstorm kicked up massive amounts of dust. It looks cool but a bit freaky.


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Comets and astroids won't make the Sun go dark for 3 days. I am still confused about that one. Personally, I have my reservations that that is actually a 'physical' trait we will observe, but some type of symbology of something else.
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Hey sick do you know that is the prevailing theory about what killed the dinos?

If it's good enough for the scientists, it's good enough for me to speculate.
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So if it's a Brown Dwarf why would it necessarily be brighter if behind the Oort cloud.

Isn't the cloud called that for a reason, much debris and "cloudy" in form?

Anyway, this has to be the case. The only way the stars can fall from heaven as predicted is if a brown dwarf star of this sort does move into a closer orbit with earth.

It also states the sun will be darkened, which seems to indicate either many large hits by the debris field, (comets/asteroids) being pulled into earth orbit, or the star itself will position betwee between the sun and earth, thus blocking out the sun for a period of time depending on whether it gets caught or slowed down between the planets.

The moon turning to blood means that much dust either from massive wind storms (ie due to the immense gravitational changes affecting our weather) or hits from the "falling stars" will be thick enough to make the moon "turn red".

I've seen the moon as red as blood after a particularly bad windstorm kicked up massive amounts of dust. It looks cool but a bit freaky.


Idol1


Comets and astroids won't make the Sun go dark for 3 days. I am still confused about that one. Personally, I have my reservations that that is actually a 'physical' trait we will observe, but some type of symbology of something else.


Hey sick do you know that is the prevailing theory about what killed the dinos?

If it's good enough for the scientists, it's good enough for me to speculate.
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I'm sorry, I must have presented myself wrong. I was taking it from the view of "Some of you are close" OP. He said that he hadn't heard of any urgency related to comet or asteroid impacting Earth. So I said my above statement viewing it from a non-impact event.

I should have made that clear in making my above statement.
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Watch out TWO many threads goin', Thought we were going to use THE FLUFFY Thread for everything.
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Watch out TWO many threads goin', Thought we were going to use THE FLUFFY Thread for everything.
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The Sun's Sister Could be a Brown Dwarf
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The Sun's sister could be a brown dwarf
15 October 1999

Steve Farrar
US scientists who have studied patterns in cometary orbits believe a distant body that may be a tiny sister star of the Sun could exist in the far reaches of the solar system.

British research announced last week had reached similar conclusions, though it suggested such a body was most probably a planet.

Research unveiled at the American Astronomical Society's planetary sciences meeting by John Matese, professor of physics at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, and colleagues suggests it may, in fact, be a brown dwarf, a sort of failed star. It would bring the Sun more into line with its neighbours - scientists believe multiple-star systems are very common in the galaxy and a survey of 123 nearby sunlike stars found more than half had one or more companions.

Professor Matese's work involved the study of the orbits of 82 comets that originated in the Oort Cloud, a vast shell of debris that surrounds the solar system and from which most comets come.

They found a pattern connecting the orientation and shape of the path each comet took, which they felt was best explained if they had been influenced by the gravitational pull of an object three times the size of Jupiter and existing about 25,000 times farther from the Sun than the Earth.

"This object would be called a brown dwarf and not a planet since, if it exists, it would not have formed from the disc of material that surrounded our forming Sun as the planets did," said Professor Matese.

"As more Jovian-mass companions are found around other stars, sometimes several of them in the same system, it becomes more reasonable to consider the possibility of a wide binary companion to our Sun." Jupiter is much the biggest object in the solar system apart from the Sun and is about 300 times the size of the Earth.

Scientists have previously speculated on the existence of a companion star to the Sun, dubbed Nemesis, that caused periodic storms of comets to flood the inner solar system, responsible for planetary collisions and mass extinction events on Earth.

This theory has been widely discredited. The new theory gives the brown dwarf a far milder effect, nudging some comets into an inward course but by and large not having any great impact on the planets. While the star would be so dim as to have escaped detection by optical telescopes, its heat emissions should make it observable by the next generation of infrared telescopes.

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Does the Sun have a Doomsday Twin?

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Does the Sun have a doomsday twin?

By Paul Blakemore
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Oct 2002

In 1846, researchers noticed that Uranus was wobbling in a way that confounded Newton's Law of Motion. This meant they had two options: rewrite the most time-honoured of the laws of physics, or "invent" a new planet to account for the extra gravitational pull. Compared to Newton's reputation, an eighth planet seemed much less massive and Neptune was discovered.

Today scientists working in the University of Louisiana have discovered a statistical anomaly of similar proportions. Professors John Matese, Patrick Whitman and Daniel Whitmire have studied the orbits of comets for 20 years, and their recent findings have led to startling theories.


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21 August 2002: The good, the mad and the inspirational Intrigued by the work of two palaeontologists working for the University of Chicago, Prof Whitmire, along with Nasa colleague Dr Al Jackson, had earlier attempted to explain the amazing discovery that six apocalyptic events, including the extinction of the dinosaurs, have all occurred, like clockwork, every 26 to 30 million years. To try to explain this mass extinction cycle, they looked to the possibility that comet showers were to blame.

The latest effort of Matese, Whitman and Whitmire studies 82 comets from the huge cloud of comets, called the Oort cloud, that exists around our solar system. They took the aphelia of these comets, the points on their orbit that are farthest from our Sun, and plotted them on a globe. Expecting to find an even distribution, they instead found that a particular band of sky, about one sixth the total, contained more than one quarter of all the comets, and that about 25 per cent of the comets coming from this cloud have anomalous paths.

So what was affecting the orbits? They went on to theorise that the best explanation is the existence of a previously unknown body - that our solar system is made up of the Sun and a shadowy partner, either a brown dwarf or a massive planet, in a wide binary system. In effect, the solar system had two stars, the Sun and a dark companion, spinning around each other.

Now I know what you're thinking Surely I'd have noticed a second Sun in the sky? But, as Prof Whitmire explained, the process of assumption based on statistical anomalies has always been a cornerstone of scientific discovery. According to their current theory, he says, "the companion is a brown dwarf star or massive planet of mass between two and six times the mass of Jupiter". A brown dwarf is a star too small to sustain the nuclear fusion that powers our Sun, and so is relatively cool (surface temperature of less than 1500C) and so also very dim, being barely hot enough to give off light.

But it gets worse. Under their original theory, called the Nemesis theory, this small dark star, which lurks at around 90,000 times farther away than the Earth is from the Sun, may be on an orbit that, once every 30 million years, ploughs it into the densely packed inner cloud. Here its immense gravitational pull would drag out several of the Oort comets and give them the "kick" needed to send them towards the Sun on orbits perilously close to the Earth. This explains, in the professor's view, the ominous mass extinction cycle, due to regular periods of increased cometary activity every 30 million years.

However, before we head for the bomb shelters, we should take heed of the professor's words: "As a practical matter our models will never be generally accepted (and shouldn't be) until the actual object is found." However stressing that they are "sufficiently plausible to give incentives for others to look".

Today, their current paper has moved away from the Nemesis theory and proposed, on the basis of comet orbits, a less massive planet about three times the mass of Jupiter. None the less, with an explanation for the mass extinction cycle yet to be found, he has admitted that they may not be mutually exclusive; and that there could be two dark stars, one a failed partner to our own, and another one that is acting almost as an alarm clock for doomsday. Even so, he says: "I'm still hopeful that ultimately these might turn out to be the same object.".

"An original idea in science is often a gut instinct, but this should not influence the development of the idea," says the professor. "I always try to be my own worst critic". The scientific world remains intrigued but sceptical. However, the recent bombardment of Jupiter is a reminder that if the team is right, there may not be many around to hear them say: "I told you so."
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Mass Limit on NEMESIS pdf

Research Paper out of India
From the Indian Institute of Technology
Varun Bhalerao and M.N. Vahia
Indian Institute of Technology Bombay, Powai, Mumbai 400 076, India
Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Homi Bhabha Road, Colaba, Mumbai 400 005, India

Received 6 July 2004; Accepted 10 February 2005


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So if it's a Brown Dwarf why would it necessarily be brighter if behind the Oort cloud.

Isn't the cloud called that for a reason, much debris and "cloudy" in form?

Anyway, this has to be the case. The only way the stars can fall from heaven as predicted is if a brown dwarf star of this sort does move into a closer orbit with earth.

It also states the sun will be darkened, which seems to indicate either many large hits by the debris field, (comets/asteroids) being pulled into earth orbit, or the star itself will position betwee between the sun and earth, thus blocking out the sun for a period of time depending on whether it gets caught or slowed down between the planets.

The moon turning to blood means that much dust either from massive wind storms (ie due to the immense gravitational changes affecting our weather) or hits from the "falling stars" will be thick enough to make the moon "turn red".

I've seen the moon as red as blood after a particularly bad windstorm kicked up massive amounts of dust. It looks cool but a bit freaky.


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Comets and astroids won't make the Sun go dark for 3 days. I am still confused about that one. Personally, I have my reservations that that is actually a 'physical' trait we will observe, but some type of symbology of something else.
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A stop in rotation after a poleshift could ... after that the rotation is picked up again but reversed ...
That could leave sertain parts of the world in darkness for hours or days.

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-Sahagun, the Spanish savant who came to America a generation after Columbus and gathered the traditions of the aborigines, wrote that at the time of one cosmic catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving; the moon also stood still.

-In the manuscripts of Avila and Molina, who collected the traditions of the Indians of the New World, it is related that the sun did not appear for five days, a cosmic collision of stars preceded the cataclysm; people and animals tried to escape to mountain caves. 'Scarcely had they reached there, when the sea, breaking out of bounds following a terrifying shock, began the rise of the pacific coast. But as the sea rose, filling the valleys and the plains around, the mountain of Ancasmarca rose too, like a ship on the waves. During the five days that this cataclysm lasted, the sun did not show its face and the earth remained in darkness.'

- According to the legends of the New World, the profile of the land changed in a catastrophe, new valleys were formed, mountain ridges were torn apart, new gulfs were cut out, ancient heights were overturned and new ones sprang up. The few survivors of the ruined world were enveloped in darkness, 'the sun in some way did not exist.'

-CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set, the forests were ignited, and a multitude of abominable vermin was brought forth.'In the lifetime of Yao [Yahou] the sun did not set for full ten days and the entire land was flooded.'

- Pomponius Mela, a Latin author of the first century. wrote: 'The Egyptians pride themselves on being the most ancient people in the world. In their authentic annals...one may read that since they have been in existence, the course of the stars has changed direction four times, and the sun has set twice in the part of the sky where it rises today.'

-According to a short fragment of a historical drama by Sophocles (Atreus), the sun rises in the east only since its course was reversed. 'Zeus ... changed the course of the sun, causing it to rise in the east and not in the west.'"
(In your other thread we talked about Isis-Osiris the dog-god etc...Osiris is also connected with Zeus:
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Aristotle's friend Eudoxus (who visited Egypt) said that the Egyptians had a tradition that Zeus (chief god of the Greeks whose name is used by Eudoxus to refer to his Egyptian equivalent, which leaves us wondering which Egyptian god is meant - presumably Osiris) could not walk because 'his legs were grown together')


-The reversal of east and west, if combined with the reversal of north and south, would turn the constellations of the north into constellations of the south, and show them in reversed order, as in the chart of the southern sky on the ceiling of Senmut's tomb. The stars of the north would become the stars of the south; this is what seems to be described by the Mexicans as the 'driving away of the four hundred southern stars.'

-In the so-called Manuscript Quiche it is also narrated that there was 'little light on the surface of the earth .. the faces of the sun and the moon were covered with clouds.'"

-In the Ermitage Papyrus in Leningrad (previously mentioned) there are lamentations about a terrible catastrophe, when heaven and earth turned upside down ("I show thee the land upside down: it happed that which never had happened'). After this catastrophe, darkness covered the earth:

- In the Kalevala, the Finnish epos which 'dates back to an enormous antiquity,' the time the sun and moon disappeared from the sky, and dreaded shadows covered it, is described in these words:

'Even birds grew sick and perished,
men and maidens, faint and famished,
perished in the cold and darkness,
from the absence of sunshine..
from the absence of moonlight...
But the wise men of the Northland
could not know the dawn of morning,
for the moon shines not in season
nor appears the sun at midday,
from their stations in the sky-vault.'

-The Greeks as well as the Carians and other peoples on the shores of the Aegean Sea told of a time when the sun was driven off its course and disappeared for an entire day,..."

-The disturbance in the movement of the sun was followed by a period as long as a day, when the sun did not appear at all. Ovid continues: 'If we are to believe the report, one whole day went without the sun. But the burning world gave light.'"

-Plato recorded the story heard two generations before from Solon, the wise ruler of Athens. '..the story, as it is told, has the fashion of a legend, but the truth of it lies in the occurrence of a shifting of the bodies in the heavens which move around the earth, and a destruction of the things on the earth by a fierce fire, which recurs at long intervals.'

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It's Nancy Pelosi's evil twin.......

.....come to reek death & destruction on political fabric of the universe.
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Re: BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
the sun did not appear for five days

CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set

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seriously, cuz iamwith, how would such precise times have been measured? Timex or Rolex?
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This is almost considered smoking gun proof.

Amazing that they can hide things so well. Control the media and you control information.
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the sun did not appear for five days

CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set



seriously, cuz iamwith, how would such precise times have been measured? Timex or Rolex?
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LOL, that's true, how the hell would you know?!

Damn, I must be stupid too, because I didn't think of that either!

Anyone have an answer to that?
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Re: BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
the sun did not appear for five days

CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set



seriously, cuz iamwith, how would such precise times have been measured? Timex or Rolex?


LOL, that's true, how the hell would you know?!

Damn, I must be stupid too, because I didn't think of that either!

Anyone have an answer to that?
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Water clock?
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Re: BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
the sun did not appear for five days

CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set



seriously, cuz iamwith, how would such precise times have been measured? Timex or Rolex?


LOL, that's true, how the hell would you know?!

Damn, I must be stupid too, because I didn't think of that either!

Anyone have an answer to that?


Water clock?
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Thats something that I was thinking about. When I posed that question, I was thinking of something measuring time using a stream...
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Re: BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
the sun did not appear for five days

CHINA: At the time of the miracle is said to have happened that the sun during a span of ten days did not set



seriously, cuz iamwith, how would such precise times have been measured? Timex or Rolex?


LOL, that's true, how the hell would you know?!

Damn, I must be stupid too, because I didn't think of that either!

Anyone have an answer to that?
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Beat me to the question.

Mebbee this analogy will help.

I have spent a LOT of time in caves. Not little slop holes either. I mean BIG systems Like Bone Norman, Butler and a few others. After a day or so in total darkness you DO lose track of "time" ,,, well I should say time becomes irrevelant. As there is no solar relationship to follow. on your watch 0500 is the same 1700 ,,, getit?

So it would be VERY easy for people of old to not really know how long the sun was gone. Not without a mechanical device to assist them.

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