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Philosophical PROOF that GOD EXISTS - Atheists are WRONG

 
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I have posted this in response to a few atheist challenges on this board. The atheists have refused to argue and play with me. They take one look at this irrefutable philosophy, and run away with no response.

Background - I have also stated a few times here that I am a former atheist of 18 years. I was what is described to be a HARD atheist, or a STRONG atheist. The hard atheist not only does not believe in a god, the hard atheist actively believes that god does not exist. I spent years on atheist forums arguing with weak atheists (atheists who profess to be "without belief"....liars and intellectual dimwits.) I was accused of being dogmatic with my atheism, not allowing for areas of gray or leeway. While this is true, I insisted on philosophical consistency. If you are going to be an atheist, you better be able to apply the same logic to all areas of life apart from religious debate, else your atheistic position is simply a label no different than "punk" or "redneck."

I was hard on atheists. Their continual stances of mental superiority over theists disgusted me when I found them to have no more mental capacity than 90% of the rest of the assholes on the internet. Under pressure, these atheists will resort to name calling, scroll pass the difficult crux of the argument and evade challenges.

Atheists actually believe that because they do not worship any god, they are smarter than those who do. Atheists actually believe that because they rely on the findings of scientists (of which most of us here at GLP have suspicions) that they are "living in the real world," even though most atheists can barely figure out how to focus a microscope.

Atheists - do you feel me calling you out yet? Because I am. pokeye

***** ***** ***** ***** *****

I have philosophical proof that God not only exists, but directly influences reality as we know it.

***** ***** ***** ***** *****

Let me tell you a little love story. I had a boyfriend when I was a teenager whom I loved, adored. He, even as a 16 year old boy, could look into my eyes, and see things about me that nobody else ever saw.

I left him because I was convinced by parents, friends, that this puppy love was temporary, and that life with him would drag me down in my potential. Think: The Notebook.

13 dreary years passed, and one bad marriage later, I was thinking about my first love again. I had an epiphany... no other relationship had ever been near what that "puppy love" had to offer. I realized that this teenage boy I once knew was my truest love.

I call him up one year ago, and not only does he forgive me, he wants to see me again. Now a 31 year old man, I experienced the same emotion with him as the first time around.

But something happened when I saw him again. Something that I could not explain.

You see - all those years of fighting for strong atheism... I had developed a very strict sense of logic and reason that was based on consistency. The reason god does not exist is the same reason the earth orbits around the sun, and the same reason penguins suffer the loss of eggs in Antarctica. Natural physical law. The world is a meaningless collection of causes and effects, and the only meaning a human being may derive from it is subjective and personal (technically, it's existential.)

When I saw him again, and he finally relaxed and looked into my eyes, I saw something that I ought not be able to see. I saw the very thing he saw in me when I was a teenage girl.

I could see his consciousness in the NOW. I could see his mind. I could see he was just as I am - conscious, thinking, growing, feeling. A veil was lifted from my eyes and I could see his past and present right in front of me. He was there, existing in time at the same moment as me.

Now, I know what you're thinking.. so what? So you felt an emotional response from looking in his eyes, that doesn't prove anything.

No it doesn't... except this: I should not have been able to see that, no matter what my emotions are.

I suffered from cognitive dissonance. How could I rectify this real experience, of which he described to me before I described it back to him. It happened to him simultaneously as it happened to me. We both could SEE the other's consciousness. I listened to him describing what happened without sharing a bit of my perspective, and he indeed described it exactly as it happened from his point of view.

It doesn't sound romantic to analyze such an experience, but analysis is what I do best.

From April to October I worked this over and over in my head, and continuously came to no understanding.

Either I had not experienced what I knew I had experienced, or his description was a VERY lucky hit to be the exact same experience. It was not logical.

Then.. that fateful day in October - I solved the problem. I was lying in bed and my eyes SHOT open and I declared "There's nothing here... And everything's here.... I'VE GOT IT HOLY SHITTTTT"

***** ***** ***** ***** *****

For those who were too bored with the background. HERE IS THE PHILOSOPHICAL PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS.

If anything illogical occurs, then logic does not always apply. If logic does not always apply, then logic must not apply at all, because the rules of logic cannot reconcile a single instance of non-logic. If logic does not apply at all, then logical contradictions happen. If logical contradictions happen, then everything may happen.

If everything may happen, then everything must happen because through objective observation, we exist and things are happening. Because we exist, and things are happening, and those things do not follow the rules of logic, yet they follow some sort of organization, then the only reliable reality is that of perceived reality - the reality we perceive through our individual consciousness.

If perceived reality is more true than objective reality, because objective reality does not include our personal perspective of such a reality, then all things are happening simultaneously in the now.

Why are all things happening simultaneously in the now? Because through our perception, and imagination, we can conceive of things that do not exist to us in objective reality.

If we perceive of the slowing of time - for example - if we are about to have a car accident, and adrenaline shoots through our brains and literally slows the perception of time to increase our chance of survival, yet the world continues to exist on our perceived time line. We do not equalize that time line in perfect balance throughout our lives. We do not die with objective time equaling zero - with the slow bits equaling the fast bits and the rest being a perfect measurement of time.

This means that time is absurd - because we all exist at some perceived position of time. Once again - perceived reality is MORE TRUE than objective reality.

My now husband and I absurdly became aware that each other was existing in the NOW at the same precise moment, which defied logic. Einstein already showed this to be true with his theory of relativity. Time is NOT constant.

With TIME out of the way - I'll move on to the singularity.

If perceived reality is more true than objective reality, then anything our imaginations may conceive of exists.

All of us have daydreamed, right? The daydream may dominate our perceived reality. When you shake yourself out of a daydream, objective reality comes rushing back to you, but when you were daydreaming, your perceived reality was dominant.

Here's my window example. Look at the nearest window. Imagine your palm is flat on that window. You can feel the coldness, the smoothness of that window in your perceived conception even though you are objectively not touching the window. If your perceived conception of your palm on the window dominates your objective conception of reality, as in your palm on the window becomes more vivid than objective reality, you are, in essence, existing in both realms simultaneously. You are both touching, and not touching the window at the same moment, in the NOW, because perceived reality is more true than objective reality.

This means that in your imaginings, you are literally existing in multiple universes simultaneously. The most vivid and dominant of your reality is the OBJECTIVE reality that you exist in. In one universe, you are not touching the window, in another, you are touching it. This is the 5th dimension as well.

That means your dominant belief system creates objective reality. That means God both exists and does not exist simultaneously, depending on whichever perspective is dominant to YOU personally.

We exist in an infinite singularity in the NOW. All things and ideas are true simultaneously, even the contradictions of those things. That means if we perceive of God, then God exists. If we do not perceive of God, then God does not exist.


***** But then, why can't I perform telekinesis? Why can't I move backwards through time?

Because God exists, God creates the rules which we must follow. Therefore time is linear. Therefore apples fall down to the ground. All the rules of objective reality that we cannot break, are rules that God instigated upon our objective reality.

Because physical rules exist at all, God exists to create the rules.


Another AC GLPer was so kind as to add on to this by saying that evolution of the species is enabled through the creation of linear time. That means God caused evolution by creating linear time.

There you have it. I'll even post my name to it because I'm proud of this. It is the end-all of philosophy, and it is CORRECT.

18 years of atheism, poof and gone.

Muriel Anderson joplintribute@yahoo.com
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OP you seriously suck in philosophy..you are mixing up a bunch of concepts that prove nothing.
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OP you seriously suck in philosophy..you are mixing up a bunch of concepts that prove nothing.
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Which? Argue it out with me.
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I highly suggest you watch the BBC documentary cause they are doing by far a better job than you are..
Your attempt to prove the existence of "God"/"Gods" (at least one intelligent creator) is a shame.
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I highly suggest you watch the BBC documentary cause they are doing by far a better job than you are..
Your attempt to prove the existence of "God"/"Gods" (at least one intelligent creator) is a shame.
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I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it.
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***** But then, why can't I perform telekinesis? Why can't I move backwards through time?

Because God exists, God creates the rules which we must follow. Therefore time is linear. Therefore apples fall down to the ground. All the rules of objective reality that we cannot break, are rules that God instigated upon our objective reality.

Because physical rules exist at all, God exists to create the rules.


Another AC GLPer was so kind as to add on to this by saying that evolution of the species is enabled through the creation of linear time. That means God caused evolution by creating linear time.

There you have it. I'll even post my name to it because I'm proud of this. It is the end-all of philosophy, and it is CORRECT.

18 years of atheism, poof and gone.

Muriel Anderson joplintribute@yahoo.com
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.
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How can you prove a negative?
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How can you prove a negative?
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why should anyone attempt to prove a negative? or a positive for that matter...
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How can you prove a negative?

why should anyone attempt to prove a negative? or a positive for that matter...
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Indeed...

Why bother.

Let's have a beer instead
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Yawn.
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.
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I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.



I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.
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ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god?
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I highly suggest you watch the BBC documentary cause they are doing by far a better job than you are..
Your attempt to prove the existence of "God"/"Gods" (at least one intelligent creator) is a shame.


I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it.
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Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument.
You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion.
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.



I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.

ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god?
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This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS.

This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one.

Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true.

Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own.

That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.
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I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it.


Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument.
You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion.
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I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points.
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That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.
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Can't you see how stupid that sounds?

Mulitiple consciousnesses?

There's only one consciousness.
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.



I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.
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Well at least I agree with you on this comment.. Atheists indeed cannot prove their belief system. Atheism is soon to be history because today it is scientifically possible to prove an intelligent creators existence. Atheism is destined to become a laughing matter..
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That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.


Can't you see how stupid that sounds?

Mulitiple consciousnesses?

There's only one consciousness.
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No, I don't see how stupid that sounds. Tell me WHY it's stupid. Back up your claims.
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I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.


Well at least I agree with you on this comment.. Atheists indeed cannot prove their belief system. Atheism is soon to be history because today it is scientifically possible to prove an intelligent creators existence. Atheism is destined to become a laughing matter..
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What do you disagree with?
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i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument.

mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic.



I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God.

ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god?


This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS.

This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one.

Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true.

Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own.

That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.
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So you are going to use your individual, subjective experience as an excuse preach to the world?

Don't work that way, buddy. You are just making yourself look foolish, everyone has their own "AHA" moment and they get to form their own conclusions.

Your "god" is just the best way you can interpret it for now. Glad it works for you, don't expect the rest of us to fall for your reality, though. That's just childish.
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This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS.

This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one.

Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true.

Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own.

That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.
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what this sounds like to me is that god exists because ye decided to believe it. that is proof that ye have decided, but that is all. we're back at the point where yer logic collapsed because ye chose to ignore the half of it that did not include god.
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I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it.


Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument.
You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion.


I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points.
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There is nothing to argue.. You are bold to use words that you clearly do not master the meaning.
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This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS.

This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one.

Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true.

Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own.

That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.

what this sounds like to me is that god exists because ye decided to believe it. that is proof that ye have decided, but that is all. we're back at the point where yer logic collapsed because ye chose to ignore the half of it that did not include god.
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bump
Thank human intelligence!
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So you are going to use your individual, subjective experience as an excuse preach to the world?

Don't work that way, buddy. You are just making yourself look foolish, everyone has their own "AHA" moment and they get to form their own conclusions.

Your "god" is just the best way you can interpret it for now. Glad it works for you, don't expect the rest of us to fall for your reality, though. That's just childish.
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Had you read my post, you would find that individual, subjective experiences are perceived reality. Perceived reality is dominant. Therefore my personal, subjective AHA moment is RELEVANT! woohoo!
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That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses.


Can't you see how stupid that sounds?

Mulitiple consciousnesses?

There's only one consciousness.


No, I don't see how stupid that sounds. Tell me WHY it's stupid. Back up your claims.
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It'll take a long time but I recommend you read this book:

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Seriously good read.

From the Amazon description:

Consciousness Is All is a book on Absolute Reality, sometimes called Infinite Reality. It shows clearly why only Consciousness Itself - also known as the One Self, I Am, Love, Life, the Divine, God, and other terms - is being conscious right here, now. Consciousness is absolutely all there is of all there is. Simply nothing exists outside of, or beyond, Consciousness. As Consciousness is All or One - It thus is not a higher Self, but the only Self. It precludes there being another, lesser consciousness that has to or can become anything. No transformation is necessary or even possible. This shatters the myth of a would-be secondary self struggling to get at-one with a vague "god." Read this book as if It were Consciousness, the One Self, talking to Itself. This is the only "viewpoint" that is valid, true, and actually operating because, truly, the Self is the only One being conscious here, now, so this can be read! Stop and think what a marvelous book it would be if the Self, the One, wrote a book about Itself! What would the One Self say? It couldn't speak of a human struggle of becoming the Self - It could speak only of already being the Self. It wouldn't have to instruct how to get at-one with Itself, because It already is that! All the Self could speak of is Its own Presence - the immediacy of Itself to Itself. It could state only what It already, presently is - Oneness, Wholeness and Perfection. Would that leave you out? Not at all! That Self being conscious here, now, is the only You there is. After You read this book, You will see that now Life is completely new.

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Re: Philosophical PROOF that GOD EXISTS - Atheists are WRONG
I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points.


There is nothing to argue.. You are bold to use words that you clearly do not master the meaning.
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the logic presented in the opening salvo indicated an understanding of the spoken/written word. the problem in my view came when she seized upon one point of that logic and discarded the rest. if the logic of the point she seized on was valid, then the rest had to be also. after all, it was all part of the same logic.

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