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SUMERIAN GODS = HINDU GODS = GREEK GODS = BUDDHIST = VATICAN = JEWISH GODS!

 
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Your list is correct in that it displays the enormous influence of satan throughout all cultures, to be worshipped as the true creator, which he is not.

You will find evidence of his corruption in the old testament with references to Elohim and "the lord of hosts."

There is ONLY ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD, who created everything with free will. There is one Messiah who came to preach and teach about the ONE TRUE ALMIGHT GOD.

Any 'god' who requires sacrifice, who functions through manipulation or control, who requires adherence to a worship schedule is NOT THE ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD. FREE WILL is one key to understanding WHO is the TRUE GOD and who is not. Another key is LIFE and LOVE and an ABUNDANCE of both.


The ONE TRUE ALMIGHT GOD is pure energy.
But there have been hundreds of messiahs who came to earth not just one and all their paths are equally valid!
 Quoting: Godly 963650

Actually, the One True God is named Y'hava and this means the Breather of the Breath.

This is not energy but a personal God.
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all religions are cargo cults
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Well, that is certainly true of Darwinism...
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Jesus is serapis (zeus) combined with te living story of several KRYST that walk the planet! Ie. Apollonus of tyana. the catholic church and the greeks are ful of BS. Read stolen legacy by George James, and the origins of christainity by walter edwards, Nile valley civilazation by anothony browder.l and "blackout thru whitewash" by suzar, Black history is your True history.
 Quoting: Humble 559309

Christianity - as has been proven - which includes Judaism, is the only religion that presented a Resurrected God. This is made plain by Paul's preaching at Mars Hill for, when he mentioned the Resurrection he got laughed off the hill cause no one took a resurrection seriously.

It was, for them, a new doctrine and none of the other religions taught it.
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And Baphomet = Ardhanari

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Wrong - Baphomet is archiac French and means "the Baptist's head" which is what the Templars worshipped.
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Except Krishna was real.
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Then how come the calendar doesn't date to his birth?

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So, tell us which nonbiblical historians record a Jesus character that rises to the level of the biblical myth.

Already, we know that Jesus could not have been born when the Christians claim because there was no Roman census in what constitutes the "year zero." That data point can be found in nonbiblical historical records.

Josephus, a historian of that time, mentions a character that might have equated with Jesus; that character was considered a minor rabble-rouser.

Enlighten us, if you would.
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Actually, the Tax in question was ordered in 8 BC and had several years to impliment up to the time when Y'shua was born which was on the First Day of the Feast of Hanakkuh in 4 BC which occured precisely on December 25th that year when you use the Biblical sighting of the New Moon for the Ninth Month.

Clear it up any for ya...
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You Are kinda On The Right Track For Sure ...

here are The 3 Main Gods U need to know correctly!!!!



EA= ENKI= vishnu = Poseidon = Neptune = Creator and love of Humans *NOT* Lucifer = Zodiac sign depicts him (Aquarius)

Marduk = RA = Lucifer = Zodiac Ram

Enlil(Lord of the lands of Earth) = Zeus = Enki's brother why Poseidon And Zeus looked alike - Zodiac Bull

 Quoting: Mael213

Actually, Lucifer was Alalu of Summerian and Marduk is Cain, his son. You are correct about Marduk being the Egyptian Ra who is Cain and he was also called Chun in Egypt.

Enki was Adam and you are correct that they equate this with Aquarius.

I believe that you will find that Anu was Zeus, not Enlil who was one of the Angels left behind to guard the way of the tree of Life. Enlil is also, I suspect, none other then the Egyptian Narmer.
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Do u have any proof for this?
Where are the references?
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The Zodiac which was developed by Adam, Seth and Enoch, is the source for the world's various religions.
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Its not really that amazing when you think about it. Its our history.

Remember earth at one time had one language. And one religion. That is why you see the similarities all over earth. Even across oceans which our minds living today in darkness can not comprehend.

We have become confused. It was done on purpose.

And something must be said that we can not forget...

... all that stuff is what got us here today in the first place.

make sense?

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You would be correct.

That is why the story of the Gospel can be traced in the names of the stars of the Zodiac which, through the confusion, was still passed down intact and tell us the original Genesis story of the fall and redemption and the Redeemer.
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Jesus as here 2000 years ago recorded by all friend and foe. If you have any proof for any other gods show us this wonderful thing. I'm open minded.

The Bible says Jesus is Creator LORD God in the flesh. The Bible is confirmed with a long HISTORY and SCIENCE.
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Gods are none but advanced enlightened extra-terrestrial entities that visited earth including Jesus !


You can say any batshit you like. Historians record Jesus. They do not record any other gods.



Jesus knows that GOD is within all of us...


Illuminati are scared!!! It's so funny...they think their money...is going to save them...
 Quoting: IMMANUEL

Jesus is only within those who have been properly Apostolically Baptised and received His Real Presense in the Eucharist.

For instance, Judas, as a Pharasee, rejected John's Baptism and is assuredly one of the reasons he fell.
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Jesus is serapis (zeus) combined with te living story of several KRYST that walk the planet! Ie. Apollonus of tyana. the catholic church and the greeks are ful of BS. Read stolen legacy by George James, and the origins of christainity by walter edwards, Nile valley civilazation by anothony browder.l and "blackout thru whitewash" by suzar, Black history is your True history.

Christianity - as has been proven - which includes Judaism, is the only religion that presented a Resurrected God. This is made plain by Paul's preaching at Mars Hill for, when he mentioned the Resurrection he got laughed off the hill cause no one took a resurrection seriously.

It was, for them, a new doctrine and none of the other religions taught it.
 Quoting: Theoferrum

ORLY?

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Every culture that is examined, whether ancient or modern, has the concept of a dying and resurrected god
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Except Krishna was real.

Then how come the calendar doesn't date to his birth?
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And how many different calendars are in use today?
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Except Krishna was real.

Then how come the calendar doesn't date to his birth?

And how many different calendars are in use today?
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Well, gee, I'm not sure but, ah, when China does business with the West they use the one that dates as 2010 AD.
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Well, gee, I'm not sure but, ah, when China does business with the West they use the one that dates as 2010 AD.
 Quoting: Theoferrum

It's still arbitrary (religious) having nothing to do with actual time cycles.

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ORLY?

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Every culture that is examined, whether ancient or modern, has the concept of a dying and resurrected god
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Yes - Really - as stated, since Jung's book it has been shown that there is no true 'resurrected god' in any of the other religions of the world. The Asian's are obvious cause they believe in reincarnation and, as stated the West is based on the Greek Mythos who laughed Paul off Mars Hill and in the Egyptian, Osiris is NOT resurrected.
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Well, gee, I'm not sure but, ah, when China does business with the West they use the one that dates as 2010 AD.

It's still arbitrary (religious) having nothing to do with actual time cycles.
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Except, that, ah, the three Monotheisic Religions state that their Creator is the Creator of Time.

You mean, other then that?
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Well, gee, I'm not sure but, ah, when China does business with the West they use the one that dates as 2010 AD.

It's still arbitrary (religious) having nothing to do with actual time cycles.

Except, that, ah, the three Monotheisic Religions state that their Creator is the Creator of Time.

You mean, other then that?
 Quoting: Theoferrum

And time started 2010 years ago?
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Two of the earliest recorded deities were the Babylonian fertility god Tammuz and the goddess Ishtar. Every year Tammuz "was believed to die, passing away from the cheerful earth to the gloomy subterranean world" (Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough, 1993, p. 326).

The seasonal cycle came to be connected with Tammuz's supposed annual death and resurrection. "Under the names of Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, and Attis, the peoples of Egypt and Western Asia represented the yearly decay and revival of life ... which they personified as a god who annually died and rose again from the dead. In name and detail the rites varied from place to place: in substance they were the same" (p. 325).

Many of these rites revolved around inducing the return of Tammuz from the dead. One of these ceremonies is recorded in Ezekiel 8:14, where Ezekiel saw in vision an abominable sight: women "weeping for Tammuz" at the very temple of God.


Today we call it Easter.
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Well, gee, I'm not sure but, ah, when China does business with the West they use the one that dates as 2010 AD.

It's still arbitrary (religious) having nothing to do with actual time cycles.

Except, that, ah, the three Monotheisic Religions state that their Creator is the Creator of Time.

You mean, other then that?

And time started 2010 years ago?
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Actually, in a manner of speaking, it did cause that is when "Eternity stepped into Time" as Michael Card calls it and as Joseph recorded it :


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Two of the earliest recorded deities were the Babylonian fertility god Tammuz and the goddess Ishtar. Every year Tammuz "was believed to die, passing away from the cheerful earth to the gloomy subterranean world" (Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough, 1993, p. 326).

The seasonal cycle came to be connected with Tammuz's supposed annual death and resurrection. "Under the names of Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, and Attis, the peoples of Egypt and Western Asia represented the yearly decay and revival of life ... which they personified as a god who annually died and rose again from the dead. In name and detail the rites varied from place to place: in substance they were the same" (p. 325).

Many of these rites revolved around inducing the return of Tammuz from the dead. One of these ceremonies is recorded in Ezekiel 8:14, where Ezekiel saw in vision an abominable sight: women "weeping for Tammuz" at the very temple of God.


Today we call it Easter.
 Quoting: Rex Khristos

Yes - and you will see that it is the vegetation that is 'reborn' not Tammuz who, by the way, was Able and in Egypt he was called Dammuz and Djsoer Tati and, as of yet, he has not been resurrected that we know of.
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Actually, in a manner of speaking, it did cause that is when "Eternity stepped into Time" as Michael Card calls it and as Joseph recorded it :
 Quoting: Theoferrum


Apotheosis has been around far longer than Christianity. but aside form the blatant hijacking, the story of Christ is the most recent occurrence....bout time for some up to date representation, yes?

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Yes - and you will see that it is the vegetation that is 'reborn' not Tammuz who, by the way, was Able and in Egypt he was called Dammuz and Djsoer Tati and, as of yet, he has not been resurrected that we know of.
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The stories do say it's the resurrection of Tammuz in the form of veges and was believed to be a God, so the belief in the minds of man was there, having some, little or zero relationship to actual Truth.

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Are You Sirius?
Take a look at the word cannabis. Ever wonder what it means? Cannabis is a Greek word, though its root is African. In Greek, canna means 'canine' or 'dog' and bis or bi is the number two. So cannabis is the 'two dog plant'! That in itself is interesting to me. But the pot thickens.

There is a cannabis-loving tribe in Mali, West Africa called the Dogon tribe. A fairly well-documented group, the Dogons were visited by Herodotus, a Greek traveler and chronicler, around 300 BC. He was fortunate enough to have visited the Dogons during a year-long celebration that took place every 50 years. Explaining their celebration, the Dogons pointed to the brightest star in the Winter sky, Sirius, and said it was the 'Two-Dog Star' and that it was the home of the 'two-dog plant', cannabis. The two-dog plant, they said, was brought to our planet from the Goddess from the Two Dog Star. Their yearlong celebration was in honor of that star.

All of this would be easy to dismiss if not for the fact the Dogons possessed specific knowledge about the Sirian system for thousands of years before scientists with modern telescopes and equipment could catch up and prove them right. The Dogons had specific knowledge about Sirius B, a white dwarf star, which they call Po Tolo. They knew that it was white, that it was extremely small, and that its the heaviest star in its grouping. They were able to describe its elliptical orbit with Sirius A, its 50 year orbital period, and the fact that the star rotated on its own axis. Sirius B is invisible to the naked eye abd is so difficult to observe, even through a telescope, no pictures were taken until 1970.

They also described a third star in the Sirius system, which they called Emme Ya. In 1995, when two French astronomers published the results of a multi-year study that was apparently a small, red dwarf star within the Sirius star system, the Dogon idea of there being a Sirius C, aka Emme Ya, was suddenly taken much more seriously. If the Dogons were correct in all of their other knowledge about Sirius, why would they not be dead on with their claims of cannabis being from Sirius. It is, after all, named after that "Two-Dog Star'

Note: The Dog Star was highly venerated in ancient Mesopotamia, where its old Akkadian name was Mil-lik-ud (Dog Star Of the Sun) and in Babylonia, where it was called Kakkab-lik-ku (Star Of The Dog). The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads)

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Two of the earliest recorded deities were the Babylonian fertility god Tammuz and the goddess Ishtar. Every year Tammuz "was believed to die, passing away from the cheerful earth to the gloomy subterranean world" (Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough, 1993, p. 326).

The seasonal cycle came to be connected with Tammuz's supposed annual death and resurrection. "Under the names of Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, and Attis, the peoples of Egypt and Western Asia represented the yearly decay and revival of life ... which they personified as a god who annually died and rose again from the dead. In name and detail the rites varied from place to place: in substance they were the same" (p. 325).

Many of these rites revolved around inducing the return of Tammuz from the dead. One of these ceremonies is recorded in Ezekiel 8:14, where Ezekiel saw in vision an abominable sight: women "weeping for Tammuz" at the very temple of God.


Today we call it Easter.

Yes - and you will see that it is the vegetation that is 'reborn' not Tammuz who, by the way, was Able and in Egypt he was called Dammuz and Djsoer Tati and, as of yet, he has not been resurrected that we know of.
 Quoting: Theoferrum


Gee... that's not what Constantine thought... to him Tammuz was a real flesh and blood 'god' who he worshipped to the extent that all his armies had a "T" on their shields, today most people equate that (and rightly so) with the xtian cross... a very convenient transition for Constantine.

But the bottom line is that the whole mythos of 'Jesus' is against the will of Almighty God, who hates blood sacrifice of ANY KIND:



"6 For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice,
And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.


7 But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant;
There they have dealt treacherously against Me.

8 Gilead is a city of wrongdoers,
Tracked with bloody footprints.

9 And as raiders wait for a man,
So a band of priests murder on the way to Shechem;
Surely they have committed crime.

10 In the house of Israel I have seen a horrible thing;
Ephraim’s harlotry is there, Israel has defiled itself.

11 Also, O Judah, there is a harvest appointed for you,
When I restore the fortunes of My people." Hosea 6:6-11


"11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says God.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.


12 “When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?

13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.


15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:11-17
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Jesus as here 2000 years ago recorded by all friend and foe. If you have any proof for any other gods show us this wonderful thing. I'm open minded.

The Bible says Jesus is Creator LORD God in the flesh. The Bible is confirmed with a long HISTORY and SCIENCE.
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The bible was written after Ra and these others exhisted.
The bible was written by a bunch of men commisioned by Constantine. They plaguerized other so called 'pagan' religions and then Constantine made orders not to worship any pagan religion.
The bible said a girl from the ghetto said she was a virgin and a man from the sky is making her pregnant and she is suppose to marry a rich carpenter named Joe.
Ever hear of alien abductions? That's what the bible teaches and if the bible says it it must be true.
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Wonderful Post!
Don't forget, The Iliad is same as the Mahabharata!
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Awesome thread OP, you have the right idea, but I think some of your callas are a bit off.

But great thread, and I do believe it is obvious that everything goes back to the same stories, lessons, and origins.

Enki is the same way as Anu, Enlil is the line of Abraham, and that line still keeps the secrets of the Mesopotamian priesthood away from the people.
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Wonderful Post!
Don't forget, The Iliad is same as the Mahabharata!
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And there are Mesopotamian stories that are much older than both of them.

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