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*THE SHROUD OF TURIN* 30 burn patches - AMAZING

 
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30 Burn Patches On The Shroud Of Turin!!! Made By Melted "SILVER"! Got Judas?

Yes everybody! This is a discovery the Lord gave me about the shroud of turin that almost takes every aspect of the gospel account to task!!!!!

One day I asked the Lord to help me discover something about the shroud that has not been found out yet!!!

Well, it didn't happen at that time but on the course of my studies on this cloth I noticed that there had been a fire in the middle ages that damaged this burial cloth of our Lord Jesus Christ!!!

It took 30 pieces of cloth to mend the damage done to it in the fire from melted silver from the box that contained the burial cloth!!

The image was not effected at all because of the way it was folded! But the silver liquid dripped down into the casket(notice it was in a burial casket); and landed on the cloth and burned holes into the burial cloth!

The women who repaired the shroud used 30 pieces of cloth to the damage done by the melted silver!!!

This is the crowning jewel of testimony to the validity of this shroud cloth!!!

This is the story of the thirty pieces of silver that the trader Judas made for his betrayal of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

Believe it or not! There have been so many tests done on this shroud that completely prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that it was made at the moment of the Lord's ressurrection when a flash of glory came into Him by the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit; and it just scorched an indelable fleshly bodily image on this burial shroud that turned it into a negative picture that has the photograph of our savior on it preserved over these 2,000 years!!!

It is an image made without human hands and not created by the artistry of man!!!! It is the image of the risen Christ!!!

Not man made but God created!!!!

Here is the scripture to back it up, Old and New Testament:

Zechariah 11:12-13 (New King James Version)

12 Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD for the potter.


Matthew 27:3-8 (New King James Version)

Judas Hangs Himself

3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!”
5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood.” 7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. 8 Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.




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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.
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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.
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How do I say politely that you are full of it?

You are talking nonsense, sonny!

Suggest you do your homework first.
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.
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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.
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You missed the OP's point. You do not have to agree with him, but I would recommend that you go back read it again. They know that the silver does not date from the time Jesus, and said so in the original post. This has to do with a possible "supernatural" connection to the number of burn holes and patches on the shroud. God having a hand in the number of times the shroud was burned... by silver. They are not saying it was burned by the 30 actual pieces that were given to Judas. Again, you do not have to agree, but you missed the connection they were making.
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My question is ...

Was not AB blood type reportedly found on the shroud? And isn't AB blood type no more than 1,000 years old?

Thank you for your response.
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.
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And this has nothing to do with the 30 burn spots on the cloth nor the 30 judas pieces of silver.

What is the point of the your posting?

Sonny - I ain't for I have been a round the block and around the world too many times. Been there and done that.

So

Don't mess with me, sonny!
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.


And this has nothing to do with the 30 burn spots on the cloth nor the 30 judas pieces of silver.

What is the point of the your posting?

Sonny - I ain't for I have been a round the block and around the world too many times. Been there and done that.

So

Don't mess with me, sonny!
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But you don't know the difference between a reliquary casket and a coffin?
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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.


You missed the OP's point. You do not have to agree with him, but I would recommend that you go back read it again. They know that the silver does not date from the time Jesus, and said so in the original post. This has to do with a possible "supernatural" connection to the number of burn holes and patches on the shroud. God having a hand in the number of times the shroud was burned... by silver. They are not saying it was burned by the 30 actual pieces that were given to Judas. Again, you do not have to agree, but you missed the connection they were making.
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OP made a point of saying this was a burial casket. He's wrong.

"But the silver liquid dripped down into the casket(notice it was in a burial casket); and landed on the cloth and burned holes into the burial cloth!"
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.
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Again, what does that have to do with anything? First recorded as the property? Big deal, that proves nothing. That states when they may have come into possession of it, not stating that they "created" it at that time. It came from Crusader knight, which only strengthens the possible connection to the Holy Land, not weakens it. It also states that it was a silver casket. Who's point are you trying to prove?
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And further -

"In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth. Poor Clare Nuns attempted to repair this damage with patches. In 1578 the House of Savoy took the shroud to Turin and it has remained at Turin Cathedral ever since.[31]"

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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.


You missed the OP's point. You do not have to agree with him, but I would recommend that you go back read it again. They know that the silver does not date from the time Jesus, and said so in the original post. This has to do with a possible "supernatural" connection to the number of burn holes and patches on the shroud. God having a hand in the number of times the shroud was burned... by silver. They are not saying it was burned by the 30 actual pieces that were given to Judas. Again, you do not have to agree, but you missed the connection they were making.


OP made a point of saying this was a burial casket. He's wrong.

"But the silver liquid dripped down into the casket(notice it was in a burial casket); and landed on the cloth and burned holes into the burial cloth!"
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It was silver representation of a burial casket. What, do you think the OP is saying it was Jesus' casket?! That would be absurd! He is stating that the shroud is a supernatural creation, and the 30 burns from silver have greater supernatural meaning, that's it! You do not have to agree, but you are making no points that contradict his statements.
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.


Again, what does that have to do with anything? First recorded as the property? Big deal, that proves nothing. That states when they may have come into possession of it, not stating that they "created" it at that time. It came from Crusader knight, which only strengthens the possible connection to the Holy Land, not weakens it. It also states that it was a silver casket. Who's point are you trying to prove?
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OP made a point, that the shroud was in a burial casket - specifically made this point as if it were central to his thesis. He's wrong.
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And further -

"In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth. Poor Clare Nuns attempted to repair this damage with patches. In 1578 the House of Savoy took the shroud to Turin and it has remained at Turin Cathedral ever since.[31]"

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Which could have burned a shroud that was folded multiple times and placed inside a the casket a create 30 burn holes, but there is no proof that it was only a single drop of silver other than a single statement. There are many other statements that say it was burned by drops of molten silver, not one, even if that mattered. The number of burn holes is not in question. The point is that molten silver burned 30 holes in the shroud, and the OP believes it is a supernatural message. You do not have to agree!
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Er, no, it was not in a burial casket. It was in a silver casket as in "case", not coffin. The casket dates from 1694. It has nothing to do with the 30 pieces of silver.


You missed the OP's point. You do not have to agree with him, but I would recommend that you go back read it again. They know that the silver does not date from the time Jesus, and said so in the original post. This has to do with a possible "supernatural" connection to the number of burn holes and patches on the shroud. God having a hand in the number of times the shroud was burned... by silver. They are not saying it was burned by the 30 actual pieces that were given to Judas. Again, you do not have to agree, but you missed the connection they were making.


OP made a point of saying this was a burial casket. He's wrong.

"But the silver liquid dripped down into the casket(notice it was in a burial casket); and landed on the cloth and burned holes into the burial cloth!"


It was silver representation of a burial casket. What, do you think the OP is saying it was Jesus' casket?! That would be absurd! He is stating that the shroud is a supernatural creation, and the 30 burns from silver have greater supernatural meaning, that's it! You do not have to agree, but you are making no points that contradict his statements.
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Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other on the authenticity of the shroud. I don't think anyone has proven it either way. And frankly, I prefer to live in a world where there are some things that cannot be explained.

But if you are claiming to post proof, at least get your own facts straight.

Many people believe that prior to its installation at Turin, the shroud was kept folded in a "casket" with only the face showing, and thus possibly is the same relic as the (now missing) mandylion. Again, "casket", not coffin.
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It took 30 pieces of cloth to mend the damage done to it in the fire from melted silver from the box that contained the burial cloth!!

The silver box contained the burial cloth, it was NOT a silver casket for the body (which already resurrected).

sonny boy wants to confuse the issue and mitigate the importance of this find.

Geeeeee satan's boys love to confuse and argue to cloud the subject!

YES - THE SHROUD IS REAL AND GENUINE.

AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY!

sorry sonny but that is the FACT!

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I see plenty of reference to thirty patches, care to link me to something saying there are exactly 30 holes?
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.


Again, what does that have to do with anything? First recorded as the property? Big deal, that proves nothing. That states when they may have come into possession of it, not stating that they "created" it at that time. It came from Crusader knight, which only strengthens the possible connection to the Holy Land, not weakens it. It also states that it was a silver casket. Who's point are you trying to prove?


OP made a point, that the shroud was in a burial casket - specifically made this point as if it were central to his thesis. He's wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699917


... it was kept rolled or folded up in what they call "a silver casket". I do not care a bit that the OP called it a "burial casket", it is traditionally called "a silver casket" that held what is believed to be the "burial shroud" of Jesus! That is the part that matters, and it has 30 burn marks from molten silver. Done! Believe or not, but your statements have nothing to do with the point of the OP. Goodbye.
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AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY!


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Oh, I don't doubt Christ was real. But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did.
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That is the part that matters, and it has 30 burn marks from molten silver. Done! Believe or not, but your statements have nothing to do with the point of the OP. Goodbye.
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Can you find me a link saying that there are 30 actual burn marks, not just 30 patches?
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I see plenty of reference to thirty patches, care to link me to something saying there are exactly 30 holes?
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Now that is a question that is worth asking... statements about "30 burn marks" related to the "30 pieces of cloth" used... continue
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.
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Ka-chow you nailed it. Not bad for a whipper-snapper
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AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY!




Oh, I don't doubt Christ was real. But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did.
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That statement is meaningless. You are more enlightened than we are? Then enlighten us rather than stating that we are going to be "REAL surprised", and how do you know that we have been lied to about what he really said and did. You know what information that we do not have access to that you do? Fine, bring it... done with this messing around and people acting like they are "light beings" that know the truth. You are a human and so am I, so bring it on... details
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"The "Shroud of Jesus" first recorded as the property of the family of Goffredo de Charny, a Crusader knight, from whom it passed to Savoy family and subsequently the Italian royal dynasty in 1578. It was kept in the Guarini Chapel of Turin Cathedral for 300 years in a silver casket dating from 1694. "

And THAT comes from a believer site, sonny.



Ka-chow you nailed it. Not bad for a whipper-snapper
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What did he nail?
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AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY!




Oh, I don't doubt Christ was real. But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did.


That statement is meaningless. You are more enlightened than we are? Then enlighten us rather than stating that we are going to be "REAL surprised", and how do you know that we have been lied to about what he really said and did. You know what information that we do not have access to that you do? Fine, bring it... done with this messing around and people acting like they are "light beings" that know the truth. You are a human and so am I, so bring it on... details
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No, thanks. If you can't do your own homework and read ALL of the Gospels, I'm not gonna discuss religion with you.
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By the way, why would a Christian be looking for physical proof of Jesus, anyway?
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AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY!




Oh, I don't doubt Christ was real. But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did.


That statement is meaningless. You are more enlightened than we are? Then enlighten us rather than stating that we are going to be "REAL surprised", and how do you know that we have been lied to about what he really said and did. You know what information that we do not have access to that you do? Fine, bring it... done with this messing around and people acting like they are "light beings" that know the truth. You are a human and so am I, so bring it on... details


No, thanks. If you can't do your own homework and read ALL of the Gospels, I'm not gonna discuss religion with you.
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Again, you fail by making silly assumptions regarding what you assume I have read or what I have not. You are truly not a lover of truth, simply because you choose not to share what you believe to be the truth that we have in our possession.
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Again, you fail by making silly assumptions regarding what you assume I have read or what I have not. You are truly not a lover of truth, simply because you choose not to share what you believe to be the truth that we have in our possession.
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Ok, then I'll just ask you this - why is *physical proof* so important to you? Don't you believe? Why does it matter to you if the shroud is real or not?
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I miss my 30 patch quilt.... the fucking fbi stole it, and the truck it came in ... is la... and the terrorists in newport news lied about everything, thats connie the bye bye and the army all die cuz of her , and the federal masonic government... ask the judges, the mafia know they are fucked cuz of terrorists and liars and it will go back to the patches and colors of my 30 patch quilt... funny, they tried to say I was jesus, bragged they stole the ark and more... and stuck to it to death.
and still say nothing is going on.

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