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THE REAL MEANING OF SHUTTER ISLAND

 
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If you have seen the movie "Shutter Island" you will see that the ending was left ambiguous - it could be the the main character was sane and framed - or he was indeed insane the entire time.

The important thing to consider, however, is the references to the Nazis, Project Paperclip and MKUltra. Knowing about these things changes the entire movie for you.

The movie states that it all began in 1954 on Shutter Island. What began? After WW2, the US imported Nazi scientists via a black budget program called Operation Paperclip. Some of these scientists were put into the MKultra project - a black project which deals with mind control.

The Nazi scientists experimented with all sorts of drugs and mind control methods - even wiping memories and implanting false ones.

The main character in the movie was trying to expose what was happening on Shutter Island. But he was no match for the drugs and mind control techniques of the Nazis there.

Now, most people viewing the movie will think that the main character was insane to begin with. And that's exactly what MKultra wants you to believe. Anyone who tries to expose this group gets labeled "insane." Anyone who sees UFOs, the twin towers being bombed, a president without a proper birth certificate, etc, etc, is insane.

This is what is happening today.

It's all about mind control.
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I think your analysis is spot on. The battle is already lost. It's impossible not to notice that everyone is already a zombie. Most people are dead.
Throwing more erroneous useless information into the original arguement.
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What is really means is that leo decrapprio is a lousy actor. I saw the movie and will never see it again. I think they stole my mind during the movie. I don't know who I am anymore. oh, back to reality...the nazi would never steal someone's mind or anything else.
I would never see the movie again, they didn't finish it the first time.

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I haven't seen the movie yet, but what you've outlined reminds me of 'A Beautiful Mind'...makes me want to give it a look-see even more.
Thx OP.
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In consideration of all that is happening today, this is important to keep in mind. Mind control techniques are used to the max.

In fact, that's how our president got elected in the first place.
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mind control via cell towers...
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it was an intriguing film, that is for sure.

Leo, IMHO is a brilliant actor. Its a shame he has done some violent ones (I hate those), but he is so compelling, he is truly one of the greats.
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nice one op

what you think of the movie the killing room?

peace
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[link to www.livevideo.com]

This will explain.

Watch
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[link to www.livevideo.com]

This will explain.

Watch
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anybody watching?
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I wasted my money, seeing that movie...
The plot is totally unbelievable; so spend your money on something better...
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If you have seen the movie "Shutter Island" you will see that the ending was left ambiguous - it could be the the main character was sane and framed - or he was indeed insane the entire time.

The important thing to consider, however, is the references to the Nazis, Project Paperclip and MKUltra. Knowing about these things changes the entire movie for you.

The movie states that it all began in 1954 on Shutter Island. What began? After WW2, the US imported Nazi scientists via a black budget program called Operation Paperclip. Some of these scientists were put into the MKultra project - a black project which deals with mind control.

The Nazi scientists experimented with all sorts of drugs and mind control methods - even wiping memories and implanting false ones.

The main character in the movie was trying to expose what was happening on Shutter Island. But he was no match for the drugs and mind control techniques of the Nazis there.

Now, most people viewing the movie will think that the main character was insane to begin with. And that's exactly what MKultra wants you to believe. Anyone who tries to expose this group gets labeled "insane." Anyone who sees UFOs, the twin towers being bombed, a president without a proper birth certificate, etc, etc, is insane.

This is what is happening today.

It's all about mind control.
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Good post, I was wondering when someone would post about this movie. I was having the same thoughts the whole time I watched it, seems like a common ptb theme to take things that actually happened and then market it as "fiction"

I think that by the end though, they really forced the interpretation that the guy was insane the whole time - I thought it would be an ambiguous ending but it didn't seem that way by the end.

The part where Leo DiCaprio says to his "partner" "Is it better to live as a bad man, or die as a good one?", and then goes with the doctors, seems to imply that he subconsciously knows he is guilty, and he is choosing to get a lobotomy (die a good man) rather than own up to what he did (live as a bad man). I'd be interested to know how you thought the ending was ambiguous?

The whole theme of the movie is dissociative identity (multiple personalities) which is what the CIA does to people through its mind control programs, beginning when the targets are children. These people are later "activated" and can be safely used for assassinations or false flag attacks, because they themselves will never properly understand why they acted due to the mind control.
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The ending was ambiguous because while encouraging the idea that the main character was "insane" it really didn't resolve the issue and left you wondering... was he really insane?

It was a total mindfuck...

And that's what the cia does best.

But if you watched the movie knowing about project paperclip, the nazis and mkultra, then you would realize the issue is about mind control... and that only.
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but what you've outlined reminds me of 'A Beautiful Mind'...makes me want to give it a look-see even more.
Thx OP.
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Really? Why? A Beautiful Mind is a true story about a schizophrenic mathematician who, despite his psychosis, developed a nobel prize winning economics theory and managed to live a fulfilling and rewarding life without medication.

It's really nothing like Shutter Island.
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If you've read the novel then you'll know the guy was insane from the get-go. He went insane because his wife set fire the house and killed herself and their child and he couldn't handle that. Haven't seen the film yet, hoping it's as good as the book.
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Who writes the ethics for mind controll and how much and in what direction. Potentially mind controll by an unbiased organization holds the potential to increse human mass. most likely the orginizations that possess such devices are not unbiased.. wait are we talking about S.S.P. or t.v.?
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I think your analysis is spot on. The battle is already lost. It's impossible not to notice that everyone is already a zombie. Most people are dead.
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i concur great analysis and did anyone notice in the end they were taking him to the lighthouse and one of the guys had an ice pick in his hand covered with a towel proving he was not insane
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but what you've outlined reminds me of 'A Beautiful Mind'...makes me want to give it a look-see even more.
Thx OP.


Really? Why? A Beautiful Mind is a true story about a schizophrenic mathematician who, despite his psychosis, developed a nobel prize winning economics theory and managed to live a fulfilling and rewarding life without medication.

It's really nothing like Shutter Island.
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AC, after learning about how the CIA tested some of its drugs on UNSUSPECTING people, including scientists (one of whom jumped from a window in a hotel during a particularly bad and unwelcome trip).

Once that is clear, you can see how they were doping up John Nash and watching him very closely. The so-called schizophrenic hallucinations were merely induced by LSD or better.


All in the name of science, right?! We need to know how these top-secret holders would react if they were caught and fed communist truth serums. Uh-huh.

Some truly evil shit done in the name of national security...don't want to be around when that karmic whiplash comes around.
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I wasted my money, seeing that movie...
The plot is totally unbelievable; so spend your money on something better...
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Given the suject matter Scorcese chose to hide underneath the main storyline ... this is my top 10 important movies of all time.

Anyone else at the end of the movie feel absolutly terrible over what some WW2 soldiers, civilians went through in being tested ...

just sick ... sick... sick ...
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Um, wow. You were correct to use the word "ambiguous," but you missed the point completely.
Whether or not he's sane or "framed" is not in question. What's ambiguous at the end is whether or not he can live with the reality of the tragedy in his life. The entire meaning of the film is encapsulated in the last line, and Scorsese has stated that that line is what made him want to make the film.
The film is one thing on the surface, but it's actually a more meaningful story of one man's life, and whether or not it's always worth it to face reality. Scorsese makes the audience think they're seeing a predictable "twist" movie, but the twist is meant to be seen ahead of time. The REAL twist is in the last line. Has he reverted to his delusions? Or has he decided that a lobotomy is the only way out of his misery?
It is, like almost all of Scorcese's films, a work of genius. And the fact that he had the balls to make it, knowing that more than half of the public would completely miss the point and call it "stupid" or "unbelievable" verifies that he's still one of the all-time greats. Like many of his films, it will be appreciated more in a decade than it is now. He refuses to hand over what people expect of him.
A second and third viewing, for some, will reveal much more to the film.
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It's Illuminati 'Lesser Magic' predictive programming.

Approximately @ 01:15:42 In the movie when Leo's character goes to ward C and talks to a man named George Noyce {Jackie Earle Haley} - on the walls in the cell you will see an Upside down 5-Pointed Star with a Goat Face Head drawn inside of it, this occurs directly after the apparition of his wife disappears; it's to the right of the window in the shadows of the cell.

Coincidence? Imaginative set construction crew? Or?...?...
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absolutely spot on. all you guys rasing the bullshit flag are fucking retarded. i saw this movie, loved it, but was totally pissed off with the ending. i knew there was more to it. i knew that he couldnt have just been insane (although this is based off of a book written a while ago, and the ending of that book he also turns out to be insane). But who knows! this brainwash shit has been going on since the 50s, right???

On top of that Leonardo is a freemason, so i would think he would be in a movie based around Nazi mind-control
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If you have seen the movie "Shutter Island" you will see that the ending was left ambiguous - it could be the the main character was sane and framed - or he was indeed insane the entire time.

The important thing to consider, however, is the references to the Nazis, Project Paperclip and MKUltra. Knowing about these things changes the entire movie for you.

The movie states that it all began in 1954 on Shutter Island. What began? After WW2, the US imported Nazi scientists via a black budget program called Operation Paperclip. Some of these scientists were put into the MKultra project - a black project which deals with mind control.

The Nazi scientists experimented with all sorts of drugs and mind control methods - even wiping memories and implanting false ones.

The main character in the movie was trying to expose what was happening on Shutter Island. But he was no match for the drugs and mind control techniques of the Nazis there.

Now, most people viewing the movie will think that the main character was insane to begin with. And that's exactly what MKultra wants you to believe. Anyone who tries to expose this group gets labeled "insane." Anyone who sees UFOs, the twin towers being bombed, a president without a proper birth certificate, etc, etc, is insane.

This is what is happening today.

It's all about mind control.
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Thanks OP. That movie was a terrible psyop and they didn't fool me for one second.
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I think your analysis is spot on. The battle is already lost. It's impossible not to notice that everyone is already a zombie. Most people are dead.
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so is yours.
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good movie cool2
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absolutely spot on. all you guys rasing the bullshit flag are fucking retarded. i saw this movie, loved it, but was totally pissed off with the ending. i knew there was more to it. i knew that he couldnt have just been insane (although this is based off of a book written a while ago, and the ending of that book he also turns out to be insane). But who knows! this brainwash shit has been going on since the 50s, right???

On top of that Leonardo is a freemason, so i would think he would be in a movie based around Nazi mind-control
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Yeah, it’s funny, if you observe carefully while doing a frame to frame advance in some video editor {Sony Vegas} you will see that his wife/apparition starts from {appears from, manifests out of, is initially blocking the view of} the Inverse [point down] Pentagram Star Goathead Baphomet thing; then at the final of that scene Leo’s head is superposed on the same spot making his right eye near/over the Baphomet, and face fades as scene transits back to just Jackie & Leo. Happenstance?...I am the Walrus, coo coo kachoo
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I saw Shutter Island this last week-end.

It reminded me very much of A Beautiful Mind.

Personally, being knowledgable about the programs OP mentions, I felt the common thread was that both main characters (one fictional, one real) of these movies "knew too much" (just quoting myself).

The mind fucks are done for two reasons, #1 to control and #2 to make sure no one believes the truths they not only know fully to the core of their beings.






Crazy

sung by Gnarls Barkley

I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place.
Even your emotions had an echo
In so much space

And when you're out there
Without care,
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much

Does that make me crazy?
Does that make me crazy?
Does that make me crazy?
Possibly [radio version]
probably [album version]

And I hope that you are having the time of your life
But think twice, that's my only advice

Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are,
Ha ha ha bless your soul
You really think you're in control

Well, I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like me

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
Ever since I was little, ever since I was little it looked like fun
And it's no coincidence I've come
And I can die when I'm done

Maybe I'm crazy
Maybe you're crazy
Maybe we're crazy
Probably

Uh, uh
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I especially liked how he referred to 50 years in the future from 1954 with MK ultra.

Felt another layer to the film was the fact that "reality" is only what one percieves it to be.

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