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Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...

 
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OK, you know the way dinos are found in rock strata several meters into the ground (or whatever). Well could it be possible that there was once a great flood, i.e., torrential rains which fell everyday for years, and caused the ground everywhere to become meters upon meters of thick, soggy, muddy wasteland?

Now, just wondering: considering the fact that dinosaurs (most of them) weighed several tonnes, isn't it likely that their huge bulk would have caused them to sink deeper into the ground compared to animals which weighed far less? So, therefore, dinos and humans may have actually coexisted, but the dinos may have sunk further into the earth during the great flood because of their huge bulk?

See, I'm not a creationist or nothing like that, but I just find it strange that dinosaur fossils (so many of them) are so well preserved when they are dug up. Shouldn't they have decayed into oblivion after so many millions of years?

Also I'm aware of the fact that scientists use radiometric dating to determine the age of the rocks in which fossils are found, and they do this by measuring the half-lives of radioactive isotopes within the rock. But could it be possible that the rock - in which these isotopes are found - had at one time partially liquefied due to continuous flooding, and the big ass dinos sunk into it?
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Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
bovine stratification
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.
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Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...
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Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.


Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...
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Right, the rocks would erode not soften. Water doesn't make rocks gelatinous so that things could sink through them. And the way the bones remain for millions of years is that they fossilize, i.e., turn to stone.
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OK, you know the way dinos are found in rock strata several meters into the ground (or whatever). Well could it be possible that there was once a great flood, i.e., torrential rains which fell everyday for years, and caused the ground everywhere to become meters upon meters of thick, soggy, muddy wasteland?

Now, just wondering: considering the fact that dinosaurs (most of them) weighed several tonnes, isn't it likely that their huge bulk would have caused them to sink deeper into the ground compared to animals which weighed far less? So, therefore, dinos and humans may have actually coexisted, but the dinos may have sunk further into the earth during the great flood because of their huge bulk?

See, I'm not a creationist or nothing like that, but I just find it strange that dinosaur fossils (so many of them) are so well preserved when they are dug up. Shouldn't they have decayed into oblivion after so many millions of years?

Also I'm aware of the fact that scientists use radiometric dating to determine the age of the rocks in which fossils are found, and they do this by measuring the half-lives of radioactive isotopes within the rock. But could it be possible that the rock - in which these isotopes are found - had at one time partially liquefied due to continuous flooding, and the big ass dinos sunk into it?
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Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.


Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...

Right, the rocks would erode not soften. Water doesn't make rocks gelatinous so that things could sink through them. And the way the bones remain for millions of years is that they fossilize, i.e., turn to stone.
 Quoting: The Philosopher Stoned


I still don't buy it, ya hear me!?

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As IF! Dogma!
Thread: Did Humans Live with Dinosaurs? (Page 2)

There are some who've never heard the other side of the evidence, other views which are banned from most all schools and media. They often then do their own research. Still others who have solidified their view often do not even care about the truth, or cannot accept such a large conspiracy could exist! This was the topic of Ben Stein's EXPOSED!
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Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.


Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...

Right, the rocks would erode not soften. Water doesn't make rocks gelatinous so that things could sink through them. And the way the bones remain for millions of years is that they fossilize, i.e., turn to stone.
 Quoting: The Philosopher Stoned


BTW forgot to mention: it doesn't take millions of years for bones to petrify (it can happen quite rapidly). And isn't it true that the earth's crust goes through many movements over millions of years? Thus strongly suggesting that fossils should not be so well preserved after being subjected to so much disturbance.
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Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.


Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...

Right, the rocks would erode not soften. Water doesn't make rocks gelatinous so that things could sink through them. And the way the bones remain for millions of years is that they fossilize, i.e., turn to stone.
 Quoting: The Philosopher Stoned


One more thing: uranium isotopes are paramagnetic, meaning that they would gradually sink deeper into the earth because they are magnetically attracted to the geomagnetic field produced by the earth's core. So, this doesn't necessarily indicate that the rock itself is billions of years old, it just indicates that these isotopes are found deeper because they are paramagnetic.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
Not possible really .... Stratification is far more complex than that.


Yes, but isn't it true that constant weathering from rain would erode the rock into sedimentary layers? If this went on everyday for years, then this would probably happen quite rapidly, no?

Just a thought...

Right, the rocks would erode not soften. Water doesn't make rocks gelatinous so that things could sink through them. And the way the bones remain for millions of years is that they fossilize, i.e., turn to stone.


One more thing: uranium isotopes are paramagnetic, meaning that they would gradually sink deeper into the earth because they are magnetically attracted to the geomagnetic field produced by the earth's core. So, this doesn't necessarily indicate that the rock itself is billions of years old, it just indicates that these isotopes are found deeper because they are paramagnetic.
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OP you're right about dinosaurs exsisted with man and you're also right about the flood
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to www.drdino.com]
[link to s8int.com]

Are different sites that have information on this.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
it is better to remain silent and risk being thought of as a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
That is all.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
NO.


NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.


You see, we, the humans, buried them like we'd bury our dogs.
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it is better to remain silent and risk being thought of as a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
That is all.
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It is better to get 9 hands from a stone, in the bush, than a bird from a rolling fire in good time
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it is better to remain silent and risk being thought of as a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
That is all.
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No one on GLP knows me so I don't care what they think of me, and nor do I care about what anyone anywhere thinks of me. If I want to think outside of the box, then I will. If it turns out that I'm wrong, then so what?
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maybe that is why you look for scientific knowledge here instead of a library or university.
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And this took place when...10,000 years ago???

During the Flood accounts...

Or, do you mean Cromangon and Astraliapithicus(sp)at ~ 1.5 million years vrs. 65 million for the Dino layer.
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maybe that is why you look for scientific knowledge here instead of a library or university.
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Well, in fact, I do study vast amounts of information online as well as science books; even though I have huge respect for science and the amount of hard data it has accumulated over the years, I still don't think that it presents a 100% accurate picture of Earth's history. Something's missing, and I think that, somewhere, science is missing that something.

Intuitively I feel that man did coexist with dinosaurs (I reiterate that I'm not a Creationist!), and this is why I present such ideas to like minded people on GLP.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
not on this planet.

look up sedimantation, puctuated equilibrium, steady state geology.

all these theories have been debated for 200 years and more.

sedimentary geology and lithography are not difficult subjects.
they teach this to entry level uni students.

if you can disprove it by logic rather than intuition you will be famous.
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maybe that is why you look for scientific knowledge here instead of a library or university.


Well, in fact, I do study vast amounts of information online as well as science books; even though I have huge respect for science and the amount of hard data it has accumulated over the years, I still don't think that it presents a 100% accurate picture of Earth's history. Something's missing, and I think that, somewhere, science is missing that something.

Intuitively I feel that man did coexist with dinosaurs (I reiterate that I'm not a Creationist!), and this is why I present such ideas to like minded people on GLP.
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If they didn't explain how past civilizations all over the world had pictures and all kinds of other artworks of what we today believe they looked like. Dinosaur bones weren't discovered until years and years after those civilizations had made those creations
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And this took place when...10,000 years ago???

During the Flood accounts...

Or, do you mean Cromangon and Astraliapithicus(sp)at ~ 1.5 million years vrs. 65 million for the Dino layer.
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Yes, but how do you know that Australopithicus/Cromagnon were not from the same time frame as the dinosaurs? Like I say, if animals of varying weights began to sink into thick layers of mud, then the animal containing the most weight would have sunk deeper, hence the huge dinos.

I'm not saying this is the truth, I'm just presenting another possibility, that's all.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
not on this planet.

look up sedimantation, puctuated equilibrium, steady state geology.

all these theories have been debated for 200 years and more.

sedimentary geology and lithography are not difficult subjects.
they teach this to entry level uni students.

if you can disprove it by logic rather than intuition you will be famous.
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OK, well I'll give it some more serious study, and I will be back my friend! LOL you will see that the Flintstones was in fact real.

Ye shall see...
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The Mayan space people took their pet dinosaurs with them when they took the gold and flew off. The remains today are nothing but the runaway pet dinos that went feral and were left behind and reproduced. They were caught up in the last ice age and were sqwished into the ground by the weight of the snow flakes that turned into two mile high glaciers. That's my theory and you can destroy it.
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Start the video at 1:40 on the first video...




Here is the video in its entirety if you are interested, along with other information...
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Science & education are an imposed ignorance.. dominated and poisoned by peer pressure, political influences & special interest groups.

Competing by consensus, creating facts for theories to be gradually introduced as supportive evidence. Discrediting most things of common knowledge, purposely made contrary to popular belief.

It is very difficult to un-learn the incongruent truths of our youth.. and much easier on the mind to imagine all realities as plausible & most that is written to be ramblings of the lunatic fringe.

Square pegs will fit into round holes.. the moment the doctor stops watching. It is his ignorance that is imposed on your reality & challenges the existence of your opinions.

Be not the peg.. nor the hole, become the hammer of all things you hold to be self evident.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
The answer to this question is really not what the OP suspects , but the fact is there are creatures living on the Earth that predate homosapien and have existed unchanged since the time of the dinosaurs. If these creatures had not survived, they would definitely have been classified as 'dinosaurs' ;crocodiles and komodo dragons are two examples, So the answer is simple, men and dinosaurs do coexist and have since men have been on this planet.
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
why wouldn't there be elephant and giraffe fossils along side the dinosaurs if this hypothesis was true?
or are the scientists just hiding those "fossils" from us?
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
There is a place near Glen Rose Texas, Paluxy River, that is well known for it's fossil prints. There is a set of fifteen tracks there, showing human footprints laid down inside/beside dinosaur tracks.

I am not sure what to make of them, there are also ruins with a relief of a Stegosaraus.

Maybe someone has some explanation for them. I don't, just thought I would share.

Peace

www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
paleo.cc/paluxy/paluxy.htm
www.creationism.org/cem/index.htm
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Re: Calling all smart asses: Dinosaur/human coexistence question...
And trilobites are made of what, tungsten and lead? They are found entirely below any of the megafauna of the Cretaceous. Only a few even made it as far as the Permian.

And what made ammonites sink as fast as the megafauna in these strange bogs of yours? Really heavy shells? But why, then, does the mastodon float near the top? Too many air bubbles trapped in his fur?

As the other poster said, the geologic record is not so simply sorted as this.

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