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If any of you have questions about the scientific principles discussed on this thread, I suggest you contact Paul LaViolette. I actually contacted him about the thread that appeared on this web site a few years ago by the ESA guy about the tsunami from outer space, and he wrote back and answered my questions.

Sickscent, are you an author? You sound like the author of a book about 2012 that I looked at: "Everything Guide to 2012." Unfortunately, it was overdue and I had to take it back to the library so I never finished it. But the author told about the ancients' different perception of time, about how they viewed it as a place .... I notice from the Amazon reviews that the book deals with plasma too.



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Life without electricity.
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That solves America's problem with obesity for the most part!
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SickScent, this thread is amazing. Thank you SO MUCH for all this hard work. Like others, I've copied it into a doc to really digest later, am about to go back and skin it one more time. Again, thank you.
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SickScent, this thread is amazing. Thank you SO MUCH for all this hard work. Like others, I've copied it into a doc to really digest later, am about to go back and skin it one more time. Again, thank you.
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Oops, meant "skim"
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why no PIN???????

This thread is very informative.

There has been a spike in the sun degreesK so maybe some more eq activity soon. Magnitude has been increasing and a 6+ on a daily basis is common now.

However as I look out my window and speak to my children we observe there has been 'little' change in our observations of the effects on our daily life.

Is this going to continue or will there be obvious effects soon???
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A thread we were discussing the same thing 5 years ago [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
yes good times:)


'tis a great thread u made here sickscent!!!


For those asking for a pin....forget it, you think the majority of glpers are gonna understand the greatest thing to happen to this sector of the galaxy in 26000 years when all they are concerned about are obama/dems/repubs??
Nope....the puppet show continues for most....
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The big bang on 30 March:

[link to lhc-concern.info]

Frequently the LHC collisions are compared to natural events in the
atmosphere. But this comparison, known as the “cosmic ray argument”,
contains many fundamental weaknesses and uncertainties. To start with only
the most basic problems in it: The nature, mass, velocity and origin of highly
energetic cosmic rays are presently unknown. Only their energy is measured
indirectly. Within 10 years of operation, the LHC experiments would produce as
many high-energy collisions as occur over the whole Earth in roughly 100,000
years. This also assumes that the comparison of natural and artificially-created
collisions, as argued for example in the LSAG safety report, is possible, which
is questionable. Far from copying nature, the LHC focuses on rare and
extreme events in a physical setup which has never occurred before in the
history of the planet. Nature does not set up LHC experiments.
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Great post and thanks for all your hard work.
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Thank you Sickscent.

Awesome job..
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Wow, I've done some research on the science of our system being a binary system and thinking that it would sure explain alot of evidence in the solar system, but putting it together like you have is astounding. I don't have a lot of time right now, but have spent years looking at specific double/twin/binary symbolism of secret societies and ancient history. Am overwhelmed thinking of all the symbols/stories throughout history! It's like individual puzzle pieces all slotting together. These are just off the top of my head and will have to spend more time on it really-


Double Cross of Lorraine
Caduceus
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil(The serpent (ribbon) Double Ouroboros)
God creates light twice in Genesis
Story of Cain and Abel(The name Abel comes from habal meaning act emptily, become vain. The noun is hebel and is spelled the same as Abel, meaning vapour, breath, in the negative sense of having no substance and being something very close to nothing)
Esau and Jacob
Yin and Yang Symbol
Remus and Romulus
Male and Female-(Sophia, the Sacred Feminine)
Legends of a twin of Christ
Sons of God (Suns of God-Elohim?)
The Black Sun
The Christ/The Anti-Christ
Wormwood
Black and White Symbology (Freemasons, Chess, Templar Seal of 2 Knights on One Horse)
Rennes Le Chateau-Joseph and Mary each holding a Christ Child
Double Headed Eagle/Phoenix
Castor and Pollux
Ashvin Twins of Vedic India
Navaho Twins
Danaus and Aegyptus of Egypt ( also the lost tribe of Dan, the Danaides, Danu etc..but look again at the story of Jacob and Esau and the 12 Tribes of Isreal (Precession of the Equinoxes)
Sumerian Utu and Inanna
Mayan and Aztec Double-Headed Serpent
Janus
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While I was reading some of the pages here, I ran across something someone said about our DNA, consciousness , when we hit the center.

From what I understand ( from discussing this for several years with people)...what is going to happen on a planetary scale, is similar to what happens when the Astronaughts leave the gravitational field of Earth.
Something happens to humans when they are up there, NASA has known about it all along, but it isn't readily discussed.
Pretty much, when they are released from the field they have a "shift in consciousness" .
I've heard it compared to pushing a reset button on their psyche.
Some have Epiphany type experiences, and come back down here and do cool things like discover Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat...others just cannot handle it ( I think this is where the changing DNA comes into play), and they have a mental breakdown. Sort of like if they had any frayed wires in there, the experience overloads their circuits, and fries them totally out....they come back down here and do crazy stuff. Like that chick Astronaught that came back and went on a cross country drive in adult diapers to go kill he ex lover's new woman.
This is going to happen on a Global scale.
I've also heard that every year as we approach the center, we will begin feeling this more here on Mother...increasing in level until we hit the center.
I have to say, in the past several years, I've been watching Humanity at large, and I can see the effect it is having on people.
There are more and more people just losing it, going out and killing mass numbers of other people...for no real reason at all.
There are also a huge amount of Suicides the last couple of years.
As we approach the Center, this is only going to get worse, more intense.

I have my own theory about who has the ability to make it thru this, the ones that their DNA will change.
I think it is the people that were born Indigo Children.
The ones that will/are turning Octarine.
Star Seed people.
I may be wrong about that, but like I said it's my own theory about it.
But it makes sense to me...
It isn't such a huge step up in energy levels from Indigo, Octarine, to what it's going to be.
For the ones in Humanity without the Indigo/Octarine ray, it's going to be like trying to climb My Everest!
I say this, because Indigo's and Octarines are already used to walking around on a differant plane that most people, more sensitive to everything...if we are lucky and are prepared, we will be able to keep in step with the changing energy fields down here.
We will FEEL the energy hitting us, and can adjust to it, because we're already used to having to do that in daily life.
The people not born with this ray, are going to be wrestling with something they have never encountered before...something completly foreign to them. I think that's why it fries out their circuits.
Maybe they just aren't wired to be able to handle this huge influx of energy into their system.

On a personal experience level....I have felt this energy.
I felt it actually hit me, in Jan. 2006.
It was a very strange experience that I've never had before, or another like it since.
It felt like I had run into a vortex, and it pulled me down to the floor, and it was very difficult for me to escape it.
I felt like a fish flipping on the floor for a brief moment.
When I did manage to get up, I felt the energy still there...I felt like I was trying to run with a pack of wild horses and not get run over by them!
That feeling of trying to run with wild horses lasted for a couple of months...it took me that long to adjust myself internally to be able to walk with it, instead of running as fast as I could, breathless, trying to just not be mowed over by it.
The pace has been increasing steadily ever since then...2006.
That's my 2 cents worth on the subject, hope it helps some...:)
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Quoting Sickscent:
They knew it was there. They calculated the passage of time through cycles. They probably never looked at it the way we understand it now. It was not time, but cycles spiral in form spinning out from galactic center, spiraling round and round.



I was having a discussion like this on another forum last night. This was my reply:

I've given a whole lot of thought to that.

I wonder whether because we humans only understand linear time, we can't quite grasp the true nature of time. We see a progression of ages here, but don't really understand how it all works.

Could they be simultaneous? Maybe. But not as how we understand it right now. Simply because of the fractal and always expanding nature of the universe.

Then the conversation went to this:

Interesting! Yeah. Synchronicities. I'm going to have to look in to that a little further.

Kai = Ka = Ke?


Hmmm, if I remember correctly, Kai was the Sun God.
Kai means "unusual" in Japanese.


Just as Ka is life force and Ke is kinetic energy. Seems to me to be pretty much all the same thing seen through different eyes?


Then to this:

Ke:

The kinetic energy of an object is the extra energy which it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its current velocity.

Vs 50 of the Gospel of Thomas:

50. Yeshua said,
If they say to you, "Where have you come from?"
say to them, "We have come from the light,
from the place where the light came into being by itself,
established itself, and appeared in their image."
If they say to you, "Is it you?"
say, "We are it's children and the chosen of the living father."
If they ask you, "What evidence of your father in you?"
say to them, "It is motion and rest."



Does that make sense to anyone else?
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It seem to me that most of you on here really thrive on fear and all the doom and gllom that has been on here for some years now' this is a good site apart from all the doom and gloom it potrays all the time.
It was the same when we were approaching the year 2000 and what happned, zilch, zero, nil and this story entitled some of you are close is the same.
There is nothing going to happen in june or anytime soon ,talk about milking a thread well this thread has been milked so much that it is now it it's death throes but it seem that some people want to keep the fear factor going for some reason only known to themselves, why do you thrive of doom and gllom and why are some of you looking forward to what is supposed to happen when you really know that nothing is going to happen.
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It seem to me that most of you on here really thrive on fear and all the doom and gllom that has been on here for some years now' this is a good site apart from all the doom and gloom it potrays all the time.
It was the same when we were approaching the year 2000 and what happned, zilch, zero, nil and this story entitled some of you are close is the same.
There is nothing going to happen in june or anytime soon ,talk about milking a thread well this thread has been milked so much that it is now it it's death throes but it seem that some people want to keep the fear factor going for some reason only known to themselves, why do you thrive of doom and gllom and why are some of you looking forward to what is supposed to happen when you really know that nothing is going to happen.
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I don't see what's coming as doom and gloom. The Y2K thing meant nothing to me. But this does.
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It seem to me that most of you on here really thrive on fear and all the doom and gllom that has been on here for some years now' this is a good site apart from all the doom and gloom it potrays all the time.
It was the same when we were approaching the year 2000 and what happned, zilch, zero, nil and this story entitled some of you are close is the same.
There is nothing going to happen in june or anytime soon ,talk about milking a thread well this thread has been milked so much that it is now it it's death throes but it seem that some people want to keep the fear factor going for some reason only known to themselves, why do you thrive of doom and gllom and why are some of you looking forward to what is supposed to happen when you really know that nothing is going to happen.
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nothing happening/happened since Y2K?

i wouldn't be so sure about that.

it's collective. spiraling.
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Once I read the following, I knew you're full of CRAP.

GLP is a GIGANTIC 'out-of-the-box' THINK-TANK. Xenus, Krispy, Brian, RexKristos, aether, and others... the amount of information we put together is truly staggering. And it connects everything.

EVERYTHING > wtf

r U kidding me ??????????????????????????????????????

Close to WHAT? poop

lolsign rofl

your "information is: :poop:

now: :stfu:

militia
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All you can say is that it is BS, yet, you have done no legitimate research to debunk what SS has posted. You are obviously more ignorant and should count yourself among the sheeple out there.

" GLP is a GIGANTIC 'out-of-the-box' THINK-TANK. Xenus, Krispy, Brian, RexKristos, aether, and others... the amount of information we put together is truly staggering. And it connects everything."

"Everything", regarding this topic written on and researched. Pay attention!

This is good. You see, the majority are living in a box and thinking outside of it is the only way one will find real truth. Challenging points of view is necessary to WAKE PEOPLE UP. New World Order is real and AntiChrist is real. Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled.
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op, id like more info about the spiritual side of this



Spiritual growth and the rescuing of the human species do not occur from a higher intelligence saving us from our own destructive habits. For nothing would then be experienced by the humans for spiritual progress to occur. The same narcissist behaviors would eventually resume, only finding us once again looking for an external savior for salvation. This is the suppressing ideological construct of victim-hood raising its forlorn head once again. That must be a thought process that requires transcendence if ever we are ever to release the human condition from its looping noose.

Spirituality at this point in galactic cycles is an inner, personal experience, and must be acknowledged as such. In other words, you alone are responsible for inner growth and enlightenment. Spiritual realization and growth will not, cannot, take place if you are waiting for an external source to make the change for you, although in all likelihood it will precipitate the change. Expanded awareness and the higher manifestations of spiritual shift in the conscious mind begins from personal experiences and an acknowledgement that we are all one unified glorious creation contained, and integral to, our environment as a vast living organism in an energetic myopic soup.

First, you must consider the possibility, in regard to something being infinite and multi-dimensional. There are an infinite number of dimensions, though only a small number are available to us. There is no road map, so you will get different answers from different religious traditions on what and who resides in what dimensions or densities.

‘Infinite’ is a concept that is extremely difficult for the human mind to attempt to comprehend, and, in fact, can never truly be comprehended by any human mind. So you end up relying on the usage of analogies and archetypes and metaphors to construct some type of resemblance to the unattainable abstract concept that you are attempting to fathom and/or express. This is a symbolic use of language, for there are far more to an analogical thought than simply the definition of the words. This is true when attempting to explain spiritual experiences as well and is usually grossly misinterpreted by those seeking who have not yet any particular awakened experiences to give them a background or a foundation to base esoteric thought patterns in the proper context that the master or teacher is presenting. Much less a keystone to lock those patterns into place!

I must state at this point that much of this is changing rapidly in the face of accelerating dynamics surging us towards higher energetic vibrational levels of our solar system as we near galactic alignment. Manifestations of impossible experiences - whether dream related, trance induced, meditated altered states, or through external stimuli supplied by extraterrestrials, angels, spirit guides, etc., or maybe even the simple visual repercussions of witnessing first hand (by sight only) the entities and/or phenomenas mentioned – produces an immediate background construct that what we once thought was impossible. In the past it was something that had to be worked on for a lifetime, or lifetimes. The construct of something impossible has now been presented to our normal, everyday consciousness as an unmistakable reality. This is the coming into awareness that precedes and stimulates the awakening. It is the necessary stimulation of the present-day human psyche triggering an overwhelming need to search for the answer of what has just been experienced or witnessed. This stimulation is a driving force, it is the opening of universal awareness that drives a wedge into the present day understood paradigm, and initiates the cracking, and eventual transcendence, of its outdated modality. And the earnest seeking… begins.

Now, as impossible manifestations are glimpsed by those open enough to trust in the experience are being realized on a mass scale, the old paradigm of Master/Apprentice and Teacher/Student begins crumbling - as each is giving to the other, as much as the other is giving to them - into the myths of antiquity. This creates an exponential growth pattern that reverberates across genres, genders, governmental structures, religious dogma and doctrines, esoteric thought patterns, sciences and finally manifests as the advancing new paradigm.

The entire world is now going through this awareness to awakening process. And we, including the Earth herself, have to absorb this process and begin transformation at an accelerating pace due to the exponential law-types presented earlier. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Law of Complexity/Consciousness, Vernor Vinge’s Technological Singularity, Ray Kurzweil’s Law of Accelerating Returns, and Terrence McKenna’s Novelty Theory not only are applied to their relative areas of research, but can also be applied to spiritual advancement, the increasing numbers of awakened individuals, as well as Ecological Collapse normally referred to as the Tipping Point theory. These are all unifying concepts that are recognizable due to the nearness of the approaching Singularity of human Complexity/Consciousness. We can easily visualize and perform the proper arithmetic presented in these laws since global events and occurrences of massive change are now taking place in the space of a single lifetime.

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Your thesis is wrong; therefore, I reject it.
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Thanks Sickscent. Great info. hf
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I might as well take a week long holiday and read this sun, wave, asteroid, fluff blahblahblah.....then again, only to come to the end of the thread that doom is coming. Why not just for the doom. No point to go through all the pain to connect the dots ......come doom come.



I'll give you summary:

Boeing worker hints that we will recieve an emp from the sun due to brown dwarf star passing by solar system and transfering to the sun a tunnel or filiment tube full of energy that will then cause severe solar storms that will pass to Earth a plasma tunnel of energy.

Also, we are passing through a secondary catastrophic event where the center of the galaxy sends out bursts or waves of energy. Hopefully, we will be protected from it, but it could and very likely will shrink down the sun's heliosphere and allow radiation and great energy to hit the Earth and cause a massive emp that will wipe out our electrical grid.

The Boeing worker says he is heading for the hills in June.

Oddly enough, there is a planetary alignment, in the form of a cross in June.

Lots, and lots of doom ahead for us.

For the brown dwarf will also and is now causing, strong tidal waves on Earth and the sun, making the sun have great big filliments that will snap and give us some warm fuzzy feelings in the form of great cme's or simply emp's.

The Boeing worker doesn't think the Earth will be hit by incoming comets and asteroids but said the sun will be, as it has already been shown to have happened, with NASA hinting a brown dwarf could be the cause.

So, how's that for doom?

On the bright side, a woman talking to an entity of some kind, in the eighties and nineties has basically said the same thing, about fifteen years ahead of the mainstream media announcements.

Some people are hinting that we will be changed by the radiation that is coming to us into beings on a higher plane of existence with special powers.

Yeah, like we would be trusted with those powers. Look how well we use the ones we have now.

The last part about what will happen to us spiritually, is optional, most of the article was factual and supported by scientists, but only when put all together, as the Boeing worker insisted.

What can we do about it all?

When the lights go out, pray.
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Great summary. Thank you!
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If any of you have questions about the scientific principles discussed on this thread, I suggest you contact Paul LaViolette. I actually contacted him about the thread that appeared on this web site a few years ago by the ESA guy about the tsunami from outer space, and he wrote back and answered my questions.

Sickscent, are you an author? You sound like the author of a book about 2012 that I looked at: "Everything Guide to 2012." Unfortunately, it was overdue and I had to take it back to the library so I never finished it. But the author told about the ancients' different perception of time, about how they viewed it as a place .... I notice from the Amazon reviews that the book deals with plasma too.



[link to www.amazon.com]
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I am an author, but have not published my main work yet. I have numerous smaller writings published that do not relate to these topics.
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why no PIN???????

This thread is very informative.

There has been a spike in the sun degreesK so maybe some more eq activity soon. Magnitude has been increasing and a 6+ on a daily basis is common now.

However as I look out my window and speak to my children we observe there has been 'little' change in our observations of the effects on our daily life.

Is this going to continue or will there be obvious effects soon???
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From various information gathered, my guess is the effects will begin to get more prominent in middle to late summer, with obvious effects before the end of the year.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND - this is not something that can be predicted! EVERYTHING I have researched concerning this phenom says that it cannot be isolated to a date! It is a matter of where we end up meeting up with the ribbon phenom, and that to try and pin a date on it is unrealistic. It is a window of time we must look at, not a specific time-frame.
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The Firestorm

R.B.Firestone et. al. proposed an object that was different from anything ever studied before. And they described temperatures of as much as ten million degrees . It was pointed out to me that 10 million degrees would make stone flow like water. So understanding these events begins with the postulate that the only part of impact theory that changes in this is that instead of looking for signs of ballistic impacts, we assume the kinetic energy of even the larger objects gets translated into heat. We're not looking for kinetic impact effects; We're looking for what we might expect from a supersonic downdraft of perhaps millions of degrees. The energy is all present and accounted for. But instead of being smashed, and re-cycled into a kinetic impact structure, the mountain quickly, and violently just melts and flows away. But at millions of degrees we are not talking about a simple fire anymore; we are also talking about a heavy plasma with a lot of free electrons. And thus, like it or not we have to assume the heat energy will flow electrically as well as thermo dynamically. So in addition to the effects that can be described by a kinetic reaction with the Earth's atmosphere there are electrical discharges associated with the events whose effects cannot be accounted for by any previous geology, or landform creation theory. But are predicted in exquisite detail by Plasma theory. And in the mountains of central Mexico we have more than thirty thousand square miles of a perfect cypher key for a clear and functional understanding of the process. There we find the landforms in the shape and forms predicted by Plasma theory. But this was a very recent event. Only a few thousand years ago. So we also have all of the associated, ejecta, breccias, melt bombs in context with the Plasma sculpted landforms they originated from, and are a by product of.

There are many more places in north America where the heat left no trace but the melting of the Earths surface. But according to standard theory there is only one possible source of heat for melting stone on the Earth's surface. And that is volcanism. What that means for those of us in the real world is that when we find all of the exact locations of the million degree, stone melting, above ground explosions described by Firstone, then we will also find that without exception, every last one of them has already been misidentified as volcanic. If there are ignimbrites, or pyroclastic materials involved you will find almost no mention at all of any directional study of the flow patterns in the stone. Or the actual motions of the blast effected materials

But once the stone is in a fluid state geology isn't in charge anymore. It becomes a problem in thermo dynamics, and fluid dynamics. The fluid stone is driven away from the source of heat and pressure. The turbulent lines of flow are driven by the pressure of the blasts, not by the pull of gravity. Slow erosion gets replaced by instant ablation, and suddenly it's a brand new world.

The melted stone solidified in mid flow and the lines of flow describe the event like a snapshot in time. It is an undeniable story written in stone. And it is the true story of a cataclysm worse than anything ever described.

Tracking is a basic, innate, survival skill that is bred into all of us. And following the paths of melted, flowing, stone is as easy as following spilled paint back to the can. If you want to learn to locate blast points, all you need to do is learn how to follow the lines of flow in the ejecta, and melt. The lines of flow are defined by the lines of force. The lines of force describe the processes of the event. Learning to the read the flow direction of fluid stone and ejecta is easy. And everything else falls into place like ducks in a row.

I knew that ten million degrees is hot enough to make stone flow like water so I looked for signs of melted, and flowing stone. They are easy to find in North America and almost obvious from a viewpoint 30 miles up. And in central Mexico there are rivers of it in nearly the same condition as when they first cooled. There were so many fragments of the object that the confusing, and random path of destruction they caused would have been impossible to understand but for the fact that in central Mexico the altitude provided protection from any tsunamis. And the arid climate allowed most of the ejecta, breccias, and pyroclastic materials to remain undisturbed, intact, and in context. The effects of the Plasma storm extended from south of Mexico in the Pacific Ocean to well north of the Arctic circle. And from the eastern Sierra Nevada to the Atlantic. Most of the comet fragments exploded above ground. But the pieces that did make landfall seem to have had a low trajectory and must have come from a point about 45 degrees below the plane of the ecliptic.. The satelite images also show very clearly that this event happened at, or near, the end of the last ice age.

Whenever they formed, and wherever you find them:
At the moment of their formation they were in a fluid, and flowing, state on the surface. And the motion is characterized as a sudden, rapid surge.
A piece of clastic stone, no matter where you find it was not formed on that location. It flowed to that location suddenly in a fluid state.
It solidified very quickly in mid flow. The signature of its direction and speed of flow became a permanent, and faithful, record frozen into the lines of the flowing stone.

No one has ever studied the motions of those flows before. If they did, they would have found the same thing I found. And you won't find any mention of their movement in any of the literature. They are assumed to be volcanogenic. And the lack of a vent is passed off with the disclaimer that future work will be required to locate the vents. Or that the flows are probably covering the very vent they came out of. All of the theories as to the volcanogenic origins of the clastic flows of the Chihuahuan Desert are assumptive in nature. And their spectra, and geochronology, have never been properly tested.

Our science is still stuck in the fossilized 19th century theories that arose from the mistaken belief that only volcanic activity can melt the rocks of the Earth; that there is no such thing as an above ground heat source that can do it without making a crater. And that the only ground effect to expect from a large extra terrestrial encounter is a crater. And in those terribly naive, and mistaken assumptions, we see the prime flaws, and the fatal, unrecoverable, errors in standard uniformitarian landform theory.

The folks at Sandia Labs only simulated the one solitary object. And all by itself it was a pretty scary picture. But Firestone et. al. postulated multiple fragments. And in fact, there were tens of thousands of them in this one event. And all but the very first of them on the leading edge fell into, and added more energy to, a turbulent, ultra high energy, thermal plasma instead of cold atmosphere. And as we progress to the northwest in the firestorm we begin to see the footprints of a new, and unexpected, kind of monster. We begin to see places where instead of a powerful, and sudden, blast of energy in the form of a downdraft of tremendous heat, and pressure, we see evidence of even more powerful and sustained releases that are pure heat energy with comparatively little turbulence or blast effects at all; no downdraft shock wave, just hellish, almost unthinkable, heat.

All those down-blasts in mexico were only the beginning.

R.B.Firestone and friends proposed multiple impacts that, all told, may have released energy equivalent to 109 megatons of TNT. And temperatures of as much as 107 degrees C. Those are tremendous figures. Solid stone would quickly melt and flow away like water in the face of such a blast of heat. Those numbers describe violence almost beyond comprehension. But let's see if we can break them down a little, and make them almost understandable. What does so much energy actually do to things when you turn it loose upon the world that way? How does so much dense, unrestrained, ultra high energy thermal-electric plasma behave? And what does it do to the ground we live on?

Very little is known about the behavior of matter at those temperaures. And absolutely nothing is known about ground effects of a 300 mile wide supersonic storm of such power. But I can offer some conjecture.

Imagine if you will, a loose cluster of fragments, and particles entering the atmosphere at high velocity as a large, loosely spaced, rubble pile of perhaps tens of thousands of large objects. Many of them were much larger than Tunguska of 1908. Much of the material was microscopic, and all sizes in between. And every last particle, and fragment, no matter what its size, was heavily ionized to it's maximum electrical potential before it even hit the atmosphere. The cluster was roughly spherical, and approximately 800 miles wide. The objects entered the atmosphere at a low angle from the southeast. And almost all of the fragments vaporized high in the atmosphere in a period lasting less than 30 seconds. But in that 30 seconds the full fury of of the 109 megatons of energy was turned loose in the atmosphere over western North America....Wait a minute...

That's a one, followed by nine zeroes. 1,000,000,000; a billion megatons!....And Millions of degrees!.... You see? Even when you say the whole words, and Write them out with all of their zeros, and commas, in a long, and pretty, string, they are still unimaginable numbers. We need a reality check again. What does that much power mean?

Humanity is used to thinking of a storm in terms of familiar atmospheric phenomena; the wind, rain, etc. And the only study tools we needed to bring was a blend of fluid mechanics, and thermo-dynamics. But this one was different. This was weather like we normally only see on the sun. If you could have seen it from a safe distance in space it would have looked like a living thing. And hell itself has no fury to compare it to. It was a half continent wide super-storm of ultra high energy, thermal plasma that had at its heart, and beginning, thousands of random, supersonic impact downdrafts that were each hotter than the surface of the sun. And were able to make solid stone melt and flow away like water. Downdrafts so terribly hot that they didn't even consist of hot gasses any more. The heat had stripped the electrons loose from the nuclei of the atoms. And it had become a dense, highly charged, and electrically conductive, thermal plasma. And Its heat was free to bypass the normal rules of thermodynamics and to flow electrically. The resultant ultra high voltage electrical current was so powerful that it generated its own intense magnetic fields. As the plasma self-organized into actual structures like beams, filaments, double layers, and twisted flows of electrical energy called Birkland currents that moved and undulated like a living thing. The magnetic fields of the plasma streams were so strong that they produced powerful synchrotron radiation as they accelerated some of the particles in the plasma almost to the speed of light. So, as violent as they were, the explosive impact downdrafts were only the beginning. The single, most destructive, and deadly, electrical storm in human existence was well under way, and had begun to rage. And for a few minutes after the impacts, most of western North America just may have been engulfed in a full blown, electro-magnetic thermal plasma storm; just like the storms you see on the sun, only scaled down a bit.

As the plasma storm progressed down wind to the northwest there were tremendous discharges of electrical energy, each equivalent to megatons of TNT. The thunderbolts were unlike ordinary lightening bolts; they were many orders of magnitude more powerful. And they consisted of currents that continued to flow for a while before shutting down. Allowing the plasma to vaporize some of the surface material and draw it into the storm as heavily ionized rock vapor. The material was unstable in the volatile environment of the thermal plasma currents. And it precipitated out of the flow in various places as tufts of material that made the flowing, twisting, undulating streams of plasma look like the feathered serpents of old. The precipitate fell out as a rain of fire that accreted, layer, after layer, and was remelted in places by the last remaining remnant of the kinetic energy of the fragments; the barely subsonic, southeast to northwest, prevailing wind, of the firestorm. The prevailing wind itself was still very hot. It was barely below the temperature threshold that allows it to produce its own magnetic fields and organize as a plasma. In many places it partially melted the surface it was blowing over. And it distorted, and tossed, whole mountain ranges like waves in an angry sea.

Well observed laws of thermodynamics tell us that as a liquid evaporates the heat leaves in the vapor. Similarly, when a dense, highly charged, thermal plasma cools, and condenses, to a hot vapor, the excess heat energy can be expected to leave in the free electrons. Where the electricity goes, so goes the heat. So we have a simple , yet terribly effective, mechanism whereby thousands of cubic miles of the Earth's surface can be heated, to a fluid, and melted, state in seconds. The rate, and amount, of heating dependent upon the amperage of the current. And conductivity of the material being melted.

The intense pressure of magnetic compression, double layers, and pinch effects in the powerful electrical currents of the hot plasma allowed the plasma storm to melt large quantities of material; producing rock with characteristics that otherwise wouldn't be expected except if it had formed at great depth. The giga-ampere electrical currents and the synchrotron radiation of the ultra high energy plasma streams may have had a huge effect on the chemistry of the stone as well; so as to render radiometric dating completely unreliable, and useless. I'm not sure how one might unravel that mess conclusively. But fragile formations of melt runnels melted and blown over the tops of high ridges in the mountains of Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana, hanging down mostly on the northwest faces. And looking like runnels of wax hanging down the side a candle, at 10,000 to 12,000 feet, firmly attached only at the top, and unsupported from below, with almost no exfoliation, or decomposition, or any weather damage at all. And high up in glacier country, but undamaged by glacial scaring, or erosion. And, yet, with chemistry that seems to say it is thousands of times as old as the monuments of the Nile should make one raise an eyebrow at least.

[link to sites.google.com]

[link to www.pbs.org] <- video of a simulation.

Last Edited by Xenus  on 03/28/2010 11:41 AM
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Re: <<< UPDATED 04/01/2010 >>> "All I can say is, many of you are close!!!" ***Our Changing Solar System Environment
Do you think this storm was also responsible for the "sea of Glass" out in the desert in the Middle East?
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Re: <<< UPDATED 04/01/2010 >>> "All I can say is, many of you are close!!!" ***Our Changing Solar System Environment
SS, Great Job. I didn't follow the other thread so really appreciate your pulling it all together in this one.

Years and years ago I read that there was a wave generated at the center of the universe that was headed our way. It would completely change earth and its inhabitants. If you weren't vibrating at a high enough spiritual level, it would be devastating. They named the wave - it was called the Holy Spirit. It is vast and all knowing. And able to read the hearts of all.

I was reminded of this when I read the part about people going into a deep sleep and most not waking from it.
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Epic thread, I'm learning a lot :O)
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Xenus and Sickscent, you are ahead of most of us on all this. Thank you for all the posts that you find.

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