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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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honestly, who gives a fukk, dont you have any other problems?

look in the future, there r our problems!!!
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The knowledge gained by professional linguists in combination with historians and anthropologists overwhelmingly place the ancient Macedonian language into the Greek domain...I use the word Greek because it is interchangable with the Hellenic term, something which has never been understood by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs because they were never told Greek is the same as Hellenic, like German is the same as Deitsch, they simply were never taught this in the old Yugoslavia.

[link to www.learninglinguist.com]
Check, see how many linguists are learned in the Greek language or should I say the Hellenic language.
[link to zomobo.net] How futile was it for those shameless Slavists from the old Yugoslavia to seperate Greek dialects, I mean what were they hoping to achieve by applying Sillines to something which has long been established...that ancient Macedonian was Greek dialect
and not a seperate language, see here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] To say the ancient Macedonian language was unknown or nobody knows what type of language it was is not entirely correct, the ancient Macedonian language was a Greek dialect according to specialists in the fields of philology!

So we need to ask ourselves something...why is it, FYRoM's SerboBulgarian language is misnamed to Macedonian language
when clearly it is not. Who finds it Ok to rename a mixed hybrid Slavic language to "Macedonian" simply because it differs from "ancient Macedonian" by the very word "ancient"
this is how Slavists justify their renaming of FYRoM's SerboBulgarian language to Macedonian language. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians and neither is their language Macedonian nor is their land Macedonia proper, it is all a pretense a deception.

Slavists taught young Slavic children, Macedonians Slavicized en masse and adopted the Slavic language and culture during the Slavic incursions of the 6th Century A.D. but this is simply not true. Greek speaking Macedonians did not Slavicize en masse and Greeks can prove it. Slavicization occured but it was limited and under excruciating circumstances. The Greek speaking Macedonians, who were GrecoRomans by the time of the Slavic incursions continued to walk and talk like Greeks disproving yet another Slavist theorem which attempts to make Macedonians out of SerboBulgarian speaking SouthSlavs from FYRoM.

Makedonski speaking Makedonci from Makedonija...this is how FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs describe themselves in FYRoM speak, they were never told or never taught that real Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people, something which was kept from them for ages as forbidden knowledge.
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Macedonians are Greeks...they have always been Greeks, something which was never taught to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs, it was forbidden to teach such a thing under that strict authoritarian regime.

SerboSlavists from the old Yugoslavia taught young SouthSlavic children, all Macedonians Slavicized en masse during the Slavic settlements of the GrecoRoman world...so quite naturaly in their minds, they see themselves as real and proper Makedonski speaking Makedonci from Makedonija!

It is not their fault they were induced with feelings and collective memories for ancient Greeks!

Give me a classroom full of young SouthSlavic children and under similar conditions, I could induce them with feelings and collective memories for dark medievil age Slavic Tribes, the ones that settled the GrecoRoman world back in the 6th Century A.D but in all honesty...who would want to enrol in my classroom out of choice!

The ancient Macedonian legacy is far more Illustrious and Alexander the Great far more alluring a king than any Slavic tribal leader.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs calling themselves ethnic Macedonians is problematic and confusing because Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people. Modern ethnicity could be construed as being a manipulative concept-process. The application of ethnicity in todays modern and complicated world can not compare to the ethnic-racial constitution of some Imperial power from since the dark middle ages. Modern concepts of ethnicity have only recently formed, from the supranational to the national...peoples collective consciousness shifted accordingly. In any case, modern ethnicity could be construed as being a manipulative concept-process, for example:

Give me a classroom full of young Slavic children and I could teach them to be good ethnic-Macedonians under strict authoritarian conditions, similar to the ones Tito used in the old Yugoslavia.
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Today is Christmas day for all the Old Calender Orthodox Christians around the globe...I take this opportunity to wish them:

Kala Christo-genia

Christos se rodi to our northern Slavic neighbours.

Sreken Bozik to our Makendonski speaking Makedonci neighbours.

Happy Christmas to all the Old Calender Christians.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all the Old Calender Orthodox Christians around the globe.

From since we first baptised You, Christianized You and Civilized You into Orthodox Christendom, and into the ways, culture and traditions of Byzantium...we have loved You, the Slavonic peoples like brothers and sisters.

Christos se rodi...Sreken Bozik...Kala Christo-genia.
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Macedonia:FYRoM Our Beloved Namesake

A namesake is a person or a thing named after another person or thing...In other words, there exists a name source which is then adopted by a name target. Presumably, the target takes the term namesake.

Because FYRoM has adopted the Macedonian name for their new country, nationality, language and ethnicity, they have upset the Greeks who claim the same name to be one of their own ancient and archaic regional-tribal names.

The origins of that name point to a Greek-Hellenic source. The etymology of that name is rooted in the Greek-Hellenic language and the history of the place from since abtiquity is attributed to the Hellenic Republic.

Clearly then, Greece is the source of that name and FYRoM is the Namesake...I mean, the target name, adopted from a Greek source.

Greeks try to convince FYRoM, our Namesake, that they have adopted a name which has it's source rooted in Hellenism, spawned from the Hellenic world and derived from the Greek-Hellenic language but FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not accept what Greeks tell them nor do they accept what International scholars and academics alike tell them...So what can the Greeks do to convince FYRoM that it's SerboBulgarian speaking SouthSlavic peoples are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are.

The Hellenic Republic is the source of the Macedonian name, FYRoM is the Namesake, the target. FYRoM attempts to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively by promoting anti-Hellenic propaganda which seeks to de-Hellenize Greeks from their ancestral Hellenic base...and it is this crude propaganda which has alienated the Greeks to confront full-on, FYRoM's extremist Slavist revisionism of the mainstream historical narrative.

Hellenism is the source of the Macedonian name...Greeks used it first and never stopped using it. FYRoM is the Namesake, the target who adopted the Macedonian name and now seeks to usurp it completely. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs at best, are the junior partners in any legal challenges towards the Macedonian name. The land and it's peoples have always spoken Greek and followed the Hellenic culture from since they first entered the pages and chapters of our common European history books.

Greeks can not permit NoN-Greeks to adopt or usurp Greek things, in particular the Macedonian name or in general, the symbols or the regalia or the pageantry associated with Hellenism...these are not up for graps, they were never made available to NoN-Greeks in the first place.

FYRoM is our Namesake...they have named themselves Makedonski speaking Makedonci from Makedonija, a political decision rather than any earthly or natural connections towards the land or the peoples of Macedonia proper. FYRoM elected to name itself Republic of Macedonia when it's
political elite knew in advance the Greek response towards such mischievious action.

Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples...The source!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have always been SerboBulgarian speakers and SouthSlavic peoples...The target!

Macedonia:FYRoM Our Beloved Namesake...Christos se rodi, Sreken Bozik.
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[link to www.shsu.edu] A Byzantine-Russian Treaty of 911 A. D.

extract:

In the first place, we will make an agreement with you Greeks to love each other with our souls and as much as is in our power, and we will not permit, as far as is in our power, that harm or damage be done to any of you by those who are under the rule of our illustrious princes, but we will try, according to our ability, to preserve for ever and ever, unbroken and undisturbed, the amity which we profess both in words and in writing under oath. Likewise you Greeks shall preserve the same love to our illustrious Russian princes and to all who are under the rule of our illustrious Prince unpolluted and unchanged for ever and all time.

[link to www.shsu.edu]
The Evidence is Overwhelming!

From since we first met the Rus...a Scandanavian [Varangian]
peoples, who were invited to rule over the Slavonic Tribes of the Ukraine, we have loved the Rus and the Slavonic peoples so much, our love for each other enshrined in Treaty for eternity...but what went wrong, why do FYRoM's SouthSlavic peoples hate Greeks and Hellenism so much they side with Turkics to denigrate Hellenism and ridicule, humiliate modern Greeks.

From since we Baptized, Christianized and Civilized the Scandanavian Rus and the Slavonic peoples they ruled over into Orthodox Christendom, the ways culture and traditions of Byzantium...we have loved You peoples with a passion!
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When the festivities are over, the serious business of resolving the name dispute shall begin.

Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...this is what is known about them, this information is known at the highest echelons of diplomatic office.

Global diplomats if uncertain on a particular subject or a particular matter, seek advice...in the case of the long running name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, that advice has already been dispursed.

Historian classicist scholars and academics alike place the Macedonian name in the Greek domain...need I say more!

Greece has historical rights over the original ancient Macedonian region and over the Macedonian name...need I say more!

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians in the regional geographic sense can be accomodated in an agreement and within the context of a shared history with Greeks in a region where a common Greco-Slavic culture developed.

From the 6th Century A.D. Greeks share a common history with the Slavonic peoples [SouthSlavs] who's ancetral forebears decided to settle the GrecoRoman world in order to lay down their roots.

Before the 6th Century A.D. it would be difficult to prove or accomodate the Idea of a Slavic presence in the Haemus peninsula. The Slavic tribes at this time, did not arrive in this part of the world.

Shared history from the 6th Century A.D. the good parts and the bad parts but FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can not claim the name of a peoples or the name of lands their ancestral forebears had no earthly connection to or natural relationship with.

I say again...Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people, from since they first entered our common European history books they have been recorded as a Greek-Hellenic peoples.
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At the time of the Slavic incursions of the Haemus peninsula...there were No ancient Macedonians, No ancient Thracians, No ancient Athenians, No ancient Corinthians and No ancient Spartans etc, in the singular tribe or group sense of the word, these ancient Hellenic regional-tribal Identities ceased to be used in favour a supranational Imperial Identity "Romioi" [Roman] this is the term the Christian Orthodox citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire used
for Identity.

When the Bulgar Tribes entered the GrecoRoman world they encountered GrecoRomans...Romioi, Not ancient Thracians!

When the Slavic Tribes entered the GrecoRoman world they encountered GrecoRomans...Romioi, Not ancient Macedonians!

The prolem with our Bulgaro-Slavic neighbours is...they distort history in order to justify there existence in a region of the world known to have been alien and foreign to their ancestral forebears.

To fix the name [dispute] issue with our Northern neighbours, we need to establish an educational programme designed to counter-Indoctrinate FYRoM's children pupils and students...once ofcourse we arrive at a mutually acceptable name which resolves the name dispute in a definative and decisive manner!
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Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples...except for the time when their medievil [GrecoRoman] ancestors Slavicized [[by force][by free will]] sometimes under excruciating circumstances. They had to adopt the language of the Slavonic Tribes but still remained GrecoRomans knowing full well they hailed from Hellenic stock.

From the 6th Century A.D. when some Greek speaking GrecoRomans found themselves trapped behind enemy lines, in a sea of numerous Avaro-Hunnic and Bulgaro-Slavonic Tribes...recent and unwelcome settlers, they had no choice but to adopt the language and traditions of the many.

From Greek speaking GrecoRomans, they were now fully fledged Slavonic speaking GrecoRomans...still retaining their Greek-Hellenic ancestral consciousness, ethnic feelings and collective memories for all things Greek.

Slavophone Greeks...Slavic speaking Greeks from since the Balkan Wars I and II [[1911-12][1912-13]] flaunted their Greekness when they ejected the Eastern-Asiatic, Oriental-Musulman Turk from Hellenic soil and declared Macedonian land Hellenic once more.

The most fanatic of Greeks were the Slavophone Greeks...these Slavonic speaking Greeks over the centuries, lost the ability to speak Greek, their mother tongue to the Slavs, courtesy of having to live next to the Slavonic majority which encroached into the GrecoRoman world from since the 6th Century A.D.

Nobody expressed their Greekness more than the Slavophone Greek...they fought and died for the freedom and glory of [Hellas] Greece.

Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...even when a branch of them lost the ability to
speak their mother tongue, they were still able to express their Greekness in the Slavonic language their medievil GrecoRoman ancestors adopted, sometimes under excruciating circumstances.
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again dude, who gives a fukk, you becoming realy boring with your story! get a life!
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again dude, who gives a fukk, you becoming realy boring with your story! get a life!
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I No promise but I'll try to make it more exciting for you, Ok dude!

How about this:

[link to my.raex.com] Hellas and the Hellenic Tribes

Todays Greeks are the closest modern humans to the anient Greeks...Macedonians included.

Those who doubt it, object to it, or downright contest it, are usually Slavic or Turkic...I mean, Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans!

Macedonians are to Greeks what Serbians and Bulgarians are to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...kith and kin!

Greeks shall never relinquish one of their most important ancient and archaic, regional tribal names for the sake of political expediancy, in order that some new Slavic country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula could satisfy it's induced feelings and collective memories for ancient Greeks.

The Macedonian name was spawned from Hellenism, from the Greek-Hellenic language and it shall forever stay in the Greek domain.

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity is not the fault of the Greeks...It is the fault of those shameless Slavists from the old Yugoslavia who seeded the minds of young Slavic children with the Idea they are Macedonians and ancient Macedonians were Slavs.

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...ask the Slavophones!
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[link to www.aug.edu] Ancient Greek Musical Modes

When the ancient Dorian [Macedonian] Greeks were writing complex songs to compliment their musical modes...FYRoM's ancestors were banging on the barks of trees for their musical pleasure.

I can only imagine what that percussion sound must have sounded like!
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FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity rooted to the ancient Macedonians from antiquity are based on deception, a pretense, a farce and sometimes a theatrical farce!

For two decades they have not been able to persuade nor convince the outside word they are real or proper Macedonians.

How can the learned peoples of this world accept FYRoM's Makedonski speaking Makedonci as valid Macedonians when it is known...Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people.

Because Greece is home to Slavic speakers [Slavophones] who
are Greeks in conscious and in citizenship, who are in most cases bi-lingual...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs see them as belonging to Slavdom rather than Hellenis but that is simply not true.

The Slavophones of Northern Greece are fanatic Greeks. It was the Slavophones, I mean, it was their courage which bought back into Greek hands, ancient Macedonian lands.

Slavic speaking Macedonians without Greek-Hellenic consciousness are just Serbians and Bulgarians in denial or in transition to a pretend Identity...one that was made-up by Serbo-Slavists from the old Yugoslavia to spite the Greeks.

Extremist Slavist pseudo-historians want to take from Greeks, elements from their Hellenic cultural heritage in order to present those elements as something Slavic and NoN-Greek...but for Slavophone objections.

Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...go ask the Slavophones of Greece!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians and they do Not speak Macedonian and neither do they live in Macedonia. It is all a pretense...a deception and sometimes a theatrical farse!

In reality they are a Makedonski speaking Makedonci living in Makedonija...none of those Slavic factors connect them to the Macedonians of Greece who's ancestors were solely responsible for spreading the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient world.

In fact FYRoM is a nation of disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians sufficiently seperated enough for them to have developed Induced feelings and collective memories for ancient Greeks. SerboSlavists from the old Yugoslavia were responsible for Indoctrinated them with the Idea they are Macedonians and ancient Macedonians were Slavs.

Indeed...Macedonians are the Greeks who spread the Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the ancient world. FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbo-Bulgarians are the SouthSlavs who spread hate and rancor across the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a region of the world known to have spawned Hellenism. Go figure!

Macedonians are Greeks...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Trouble-makers.

FYRoM is Trouble. NO FYRoM...NO Trouble!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians and they do Not speak Macedonian and neither do they live in Macedonia. It is all a pretense...a deception and sometimes a theatrical farse!

In reality they are a Makedonski speaking Makedonci living in Makedonija...none of those Slavic factors connect them to the Macedonians of Greece who's ancestors were solely responsible for spreading the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient world.

In fact FYRoM is a nation of disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians sufficiently seperated enough for them to have developed Induced feelings and collective memories for ancient Greeks. SerboSlavists from the old Yugoslavia were responsible for Indoctrinated them with the Idea they are Macedonians and ancient Macedonians were Slavs.

Indeed...Macedonians are the Greeks who spread the Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the ancient world. FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbo-Bulgarians are the SouthSlavs who spread hate and rancor across the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a region of the world known to have spawned Hellenism. Go figure!

Macedonians are Greeks...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Trouble-makers.

FYRoM is Trouble. NO FYRoM...NO Trouble!
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Keep dreaming dude!
Soon it will be bankrupt hellasses all over the HELL ASS. It would be a shtf scenario for all the gay population worldwide!!!

As for your dream of no FYROM, I agree. Soon it will be Republic of Macedonia in the UN and also in every other world institutions. See you soon Nickos!
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The impact of the name dispute on the ordinary citizens of FYRoM has led them to question who they really are and from where they really come from. The very fabric of their being rests on their Idea they are connected, I mean, related to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity...but as have recently witnessed, the Bulgarian componant in their number has opted to revert back to their Bulgarian roots by attaining Bulgarian passports from Bulgaria in readiness for the opening-up of European Union labour markets to Bulgarians.

Greeks have always said:

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians in denial or in transition to a Micky Mouse theatrical Identity created for them by Pan-Slavists and later...SerboSlavists.

Only in the minds of those shameless Slavists from the old Yugoslavia could they equate Serbians and Bulgarians to ancient Greeks.

Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic people...go ask any old Tom, Dick or Harry!
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Macedonians are the Greeks who spread the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient world...

...so I ask, what do FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians have to do with that ?

What do FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have to do with ancient Greek ?

Because Slavists created for them from a hybrid mixed SerboBulgarian language...a language they opted to later name "Macedonian language" is a pretension too far. It is a deception which has taken root amongst the simple and gullible peoples of the old Yugoslavia, as far as the ordinary citizen is concerned he-she speaks Macedonian when in fact they are speaking a SerboBulgarian language similar to SerboCroatian, the language spoken by Serbians and Croatians.

SerboBulgarian is spoken by the Serbians and Bulgarians of FYRoM...only they call it Macedonian!

Like they deceived there own peoples about their language, Slavists also decieved them about their primordial ethnic-racial origins, and they didn't stop there, they actually went further by seeding the minds of FYRoM's children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient Macedonians as Slavs.

Because they think of themselves as Macedonian speaking Macedonians from Macedonia...It is very difficult for anybody to persuade them otherwise.
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs = Serbians and Bulgarians in denial...or in transition to a Micky Mouse Identity!

FYRoM's much vaunted Macedonian Identity is nothing more than a deception, a theatrical attempt to pantomime their way into myths and legends of Hellas.

FYRoM's Micky Mouse Identity is best Illustrated in their architecture and in the way they have renamed their streets venues and highways, and aiports to ancient Greek names.

But their best efforts were in the way they erected gigantic statues of ancient Greeks, the likes of which we have witnessed recently in a crude Theme Park presentation of "Warrior on a Horse" right in the center of their capital city!

Everything they do is for effect...a theatrical attempt to
stage an Identity for a global audiance who know Alexander the Great to have been the Greek king of Macedon and ancient Macedonians as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM's prtensions have been noticed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office...that is why they are kept at arms length, at a distance until they name themselves and their country after a proper more suitable name which does not take from Greeks, elements from their cultural heritage in any way whatsoever!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs had two decades to persuade and convince the outside world they were Macedonians in the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic sense but the world has rejected that choice of name for SouthSlavs, knowing full well the Macedonian name sprang from Hellenism not Slavdom.

The Macedonian name was spawned from the Hellenic language, it has been in constant use in the Hellenic world from since it was first spoken...how Silly for a Slavic peoples to want to disrupt, I mean, corrupt this long established academic reference point!
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FYRoM's Indoctrinated SerboBulgarians think of themselves as Macedonians and ancient Macedonians as Slavs...How can you fix that ???

FYRoM's simple people are so gullible they genuinely believe their SerboBulgarian language is the Macedonian language spoken by Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity...It's not that they are Thick or Stupid or something, it is simply because they gullible and easily led.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been sufficiently disenfranchised from the main SerboBulgarian core they have become reluctant Serbians and Bulgarians...in denial of their primordial roots and ethno-origins. They are in denial of their SerboBulgarian roots and are now in transition to a Micky Mouse pantomime Identity which was organized for them by those shameless Serbo-Slavists from the old Yugoslavia!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

FYRoM's SerboBulgarians speakers are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are...I mean, they are neither real nor natural Macedonians, but reluctant disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians, the evidence is in their language. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are reluctant Serbians and Bulgarians in denial and in transition to a Micky Mouse Identity!

FYRoM's much vaunted Macedonian Identity is nothing more than a pretense, a deception and a theatrical attempt to pantomime their way into myths and legends of Hellas.
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For Greeks to breath again...something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsuls!

The Hellenic culture now competes with the TurkoSlavic culture...in a region of the world which was known to have spawned Hellenism. The Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is now home to a predominantly TurkoSlavic culture having become a TurkoSlavic region of the world where Hellenic Ideals and core values mean little and count for nothing.

Abdul Mehmetin and Goran resent the West with a passion, for creating the modern Greeks. Abdul Mehmetin and Goran despise the Greeks for being Greek. In their TurkoSlavic minds...If the West did not create modern Greeks they would be the ones to have all that ancient history attributed to them where Gorans ancestors become ancient Macedonians and Abduls and Mehmetins ancestors become ancient Trojans.

The Hellenic culture today, is Swamped by the TurkoSlavic culture in a region of the world which gave birth to Hellenism in the first place.

For Greeks to breath again...something needs to change in the Haemus!

The winds of change are coming to the Haemus!
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That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are is best understood in scholarly academic circles, where Macedonians are known to belong to Hellenism and the Hellenic world.

Like historical scholars and academics alike...global politicians now see FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs as nothing short of disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians gone through some kind of seperation process.

The realization that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are simply disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians in denial of their SouthSlavic roots and ethno-origins has now become common knowledge amongst the International diplomatic community.

FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians are viewed
as being, not just in denial of their Slavic Identity but in transition to a new Micky Mouse theatrical Identity, created for them on the back of crude and crass historical revisionism and pseudo-history.

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have rejected their Slavic heritage is all but given...but the Hellenic one they are after is not up for grabs. The ancient [Macedonian] Hellenic heritage they covet so much is not compatible with who they are and what is known about them.

FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians want the world to see them as Macedonians rooted to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity...but the world sees them instead as Slavic people, Makedonski speaking Makedonci people from Makedonija!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, this is what is known about Macedonians...ask any old Tom Dick or Harry!
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Nick you are great.I love you! I admire your endurance to keep alive a dead thread. Or could it be that it is DESPERATION???

As I see you have 7 or 8 copy paste ready texts that are on random repeat. Hilarious man!

Me as Macedonian and at the same time different from Greek giving reply to your craziness, is proof that Macedonians are not Greeks!

Soon on Balkan we will see the financial collapse of rotten capitalist country which in spite of great geostrategic position and beautiful nature did not manage to maintain social and multicultural peace. Greece did not manage to swim above mythology and legends. Sadly instead of being open to new ideas it never manage to ditch xenophobia.
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Nick you are great.I love you! I admire your endurance to keep alive a dead thread. Or could it be that it is DESPERATION???

As I see you have 7 or 8 copy paste ready texts that are on random repeat. Hilarious man!

Me as Macedonian and at the same time different from Greek giving reply to your craziness, is proof that Macedonians are not Greeks!

Soon on Balkan we will see the financial collapse of rotten capitalist country which in spite of great geostrategic position and beautiful nature did not manage to maintain social and multicultural peace. Greece did not manage to swim above mythology and legends. Sadly instead of being open to new ideas it never manage to ditch xenophobia.
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You are Macedonian only in the regional-geographic sense, not in the ethnic-racial, cultural or linguistic sense. From this perspective I have no problem recognizing you as a regional Macedonian.

As for the other stuff...

The Hellenic Republic still has some way to go...I mean, downwards!

The people are not sufficiently angered enough but incrementally step by step, the Greeks are being primed for the big one...

...the winds of change are coming to the Haemus!

For Greeks to breath again...something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, the place which spawned Hellenism.
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The harsh reality of it is this...it can not be stressed enough: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are reluctant Slavs that have gone through a seperation process, they are disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians who have sufficiently seperated from the main SerboBulgarian core and are now in transition to a new Identity.

Those shameless Slavists from the old Yugoslavia took some gullible Serbians and some gullible Bulgarians and instilled in them...I mean, induced them with the Idea they are Macedonians.

We now have a situation where young SouthSlavic children are walking the streets thinking of themselves as Macedonians and ancient Macedonians as Slavs!

Nobody in the West calculated for this...FYRoM was meant to have behaved differently, but as soon as it was recognized as [RoM] Republic of Macedonia it took the incentive away, leaving no real appetite to compromise in order to arrive at a mutually acceptable name.

FYRoM wanting to use a Greek-Helenic name for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity is problematic and confusing...not least to their own children, who now see themselves as real and proper Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity.
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The relationship between Greeks and Macedonians is one of blood...It is a blood relationship traversing family ties and bonds of kinship which stretch back Millenia, back to the forming of the ancient Hellenes.

Macedonians are just one of >230 ancient Greek groups tribes and kingdoms which made-up the Greek-Hellenic collective peoples of antiquity.

The relationship between Greeks and Macedonians is on par with the relationship between Greeks and Spartans or between Greeks and Athenians or between Greek and Corinthians...

...must I list them all, I mean, must I list all of those ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names which collectively formed the ancient Greek-Hellenic peoples from antiquity!

FYRoM's rogue scholars, pseudo-historians and specialist propagandists have Indoctrinated their own children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient Macedonians as Slavs.

Greeks have endured this anti-Hellenic propaganda for nigh-on two decades where FYRoM's extremist Slavist pseudo-historians Intentionally rubbish Greeks and denigrate Hellenism.

FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda has sensitized and mobilized the modern Greeks into readiness.

Todays Greeks shall defend and protect Hellenism like no other generation of Greeks before them.

Todays Greeks stand ready to challenge FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda, we stand ready to defend what is ours. Greeks shall defend and protect their historic rights come hell or high water.

Unproven Slavist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are just that...unproven. They can not be permitted to halt, shelve or put on-hold the long established mainstream historical record, pending their academic approval.

If ever those anti-Hellenic Theories Ideas and Conjectures become approved, I mean approved by accredited International scholarly bodies...then Greeks shall also accept them, but until that happens...Greeks reserve the right to defend and protect their history and heritage exactly the way it is currently represented in the long established mainstream historical narrative. Greeks should not have to shoulder the burden of having to educate FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs alone, we need help and assistance from the International community and our Slavic friends also.FYRoM really does need to learn ancient Greek history all over again, but this time, from reputable and accredited sources only!

For every anti-Hellenic Theory, stands a multitude of scholars ready to reject them in favour of the current, long established mainstream historical record.

For every anti-Hellenic Idea, stands a great number of academics ready to reject them in favour of the current, long established mainstream historical record.

For every anti-Hellenic Conjecture, stands a large scholarly body of academics ready to reject them in support of the current, long established mainstream historical record.

Unproven Slavist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are just that...unproven!

Unproven Theories, Ideas and Conjectures shall not be permitted to halt, shelve or put on-hold the current, long established mainstream historical record.

In light of this Information...FYRoM should cease immediately, it's anti-Hellenic propaganda directed towards the Greek-Hellenic peoples!
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Everything they do in that Micky Mouse country is done for effect, only for show...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not the Macedonians they think they are were told they are, they are simply disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians that have gone through a seperation process and are now in transition to a made-up, Micky Mouse Identity Slavists created for them on the backs of historical revisionism and pseudo-history!

Macedonians have always been Greeks...this is the reality!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have always been disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians in denial of their Slavic roots and ethno-origins...reluctant Slavs for want of a better term.

Tell a FYRoM child, he-she is Macedonian because he-she speaks Macedonian and lives in Macedonia...but the reality of it is very different, for example: (i) that FYRoM child is Not Macedonian,(ii) that FYRoM child does Not speak Macedonian, and (iii) that FYRoM child does Not live in Macedonia.

The stark reality of it is this...there is nothing real or natural about FYRoM's ex-Yugoslav supposed Macedonian Identity, it is all made-up, a pretense, a deception and sometimes a theatrical farce. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are nothing short of Serbians and Bulgarians in denial of their Slavic heritage and in transition to a Micky Mouse Identity!

Makedonski speaking Makedonci people from Makedonija...
...Micky Mouse Identity, right!
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Real and proper Macedonia has always been Greek and Proud.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have always been SerboBulgarians and Miserable. From since the advent of FYRoM onto the world stage there has been nothing but Trouble in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, hmmm, No FYRoM...No Trouble!

FYRoM = everything that is bad in the Balkans.FYRoM = Trouble. No FYRoM...No Trouble!

Nato and the EU keep FYRoM at arms length, at a distance because they know...FYRoM is Trouble, hmmm, No FYRoM...No Trouble!

Todays Greeks boast the closest possible connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity...the path of least resistance flows through the Greek line.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not have this connection to Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity because they are SouthSlavs.

The path of least resistance flows through the Greeks...not through FYRoM's reluctant Slavs!

FYRoM has embarrassed the whole Slavic race. The Slavonic peoples keep them at arms length...at a distance.

The EU and Nato keep FYRoM at arms length...at a distance.

Turkey keeps FYRoM close, very close...Go Figure!
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Lets not beat around the bush, every Tom Dick and Harry knows Macedonians are Greeks and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are simply disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians in denial of their Slavic heritage and in transition to a Micky Mouse Idenitity created for them by Serbo-Slavists on the backs of historical revisionism and pseudo-history.

Lets not beat around the bush, every Tom Dick and Harry knows, Historical revisionism and pseudo-history was made in the old Yugoslavia to destroy Hellenism but look at what it has done to Slavdom and the Slavonic peoples.

The Slavdom produced something from itself which hates itself...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs deny their Slavic heritage!

FYRoM continues to embarass Slavdom and the Slavonic peoples by denying they are from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Slavdom produced something from within itself which is hell bent on destroying itself... because un-natural things can not survive in a natural environment.
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Macedonians are the Greeks who spread the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient world.

Greeks are proud of Macedonians and visa versa...Macedonians are proud of their Greekness!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs took a political decision to name themselves Macedonians and their country Macedonia...they knew it would rile the Greeks but they still pressed ahead. FYRoM's decision to do that was based on malice, wanting to see the Greeks suffer for previous wrong doings against them!

FYRoM having rhyme and reason to see the Greeks suffer, took that antagonism to a higher level by targeting Greek-Hellenic culture for ridicule and humiliation.

The history of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is like nothing ever experianced in the Western parts of Europe by our Western European cousins, I mean, Western Europe developed keeping it's ethno-racial balance largely in-tact.

Western Europes Latin Influenced, predominantly Celto-Germanic populace, was large enough and resiliant enough to keep it's ethnic-racial consistency...absorbing new numbers of foreign influxes did not play a significant role in tilting the regions ethnic-racial balance or shifting the regions cultural or linguistic influences.

Western Europe can trace it's cultural beginnings and it's linguistic-literary development back to Rome and the Latin speaking Roman Empire...It was this Imperial power which ultimately baptized Christianized and Latinized Western Europes Celto-Germanic populace.

Western Europe traditionally looks back towards Rome for it's cultural nourishment and sustenance but Rome acquired it's cultural development from another earlier [Hellenic] civilization.

Unlike Western Europe...Eastern Europe developed differently, the Haemus peninsula, the place which gave birth to Hellenism spawned the Greeks. It was their Hellenic culture which the Romans adopted then spread by conquest, passed onward through-out Europoe, but it was the Greeks who took over again after the demise of the Western Roman Empire, it was the Greeks who went on to continue the GrecoRoman [Byzantine] Empire after it's demise in the West.

Unlike our Western European cousins...Greeks live in a region of the world which lost it's ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic consistency!

Unlike our Western European cousins...Greeks find themselves handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours who's ancestors came and settled into the GrecoRoman world sometime around the top-end of the 6th Century A.D. They now claim the names and the symbols, and the history of the of ancient Greeks.

Western Europes Latin influenced predominantly Celto-Germanic populace learned to be at peace with each other over the centuries.

Eastern Europes once Greek-Hellenic influenced Haemus peninsula region is now a predominantly Turko-Slavonic region with a populace to match...the Greeks nowadays are a mere spec in an ocean of TurkoSlavs where Hellenic Ideals and core values mean little and count for nothing.

For Greeks to breath again...something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula!
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Close your eyes and Imagine there are No Greeks...tell yourself, they all died out and became extinct.

Imagine that for a moment...No Greeks to claim the history and heritage of ancient [Hellas] Greece.

Macedonians would still have been attributed to Hellenism, the question then becomes...

...who represents them in the modern age ???

Answer please...

It can't be FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs because they are viewed as being nothing short of disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians, this point of view has become the prevalent one amongst global politicians and world diplomats...

..disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians in denial of their Slavic heritage and in transition to a new Micky Mouse Identity, Serbo-Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia created for them on the backs of historical revisionism and pseudo-history!

There is Nothing naturally Macedonian in FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians!

Even if we go along with this particular Theory from those shameless Slavist pseudo-historians where they postulate the notion that Greeks became extinct...how do they connect FYRoM's disenfranchised Serbians and Bulgarians with ancient Greeks.

Greeks died-out and became extinct so the nearest modern humans to them...according to those shaless Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia are FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

Greeks live next to TurkoSlavic Nutters!

Unlike our Western European cousins...Greeks today, find themselves handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours in a region of the world which is known to have spawned Hellenism, but now has become virulently anti-Hellenic and home to a predominantly TurkoSlavic populace who want to eject the Greeks from their Homelands in order to take their place!

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