Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

Modern Greeks look nothing like the frescos from the past. Too much turkish and north african influence across the ages.

Nick we have chosen our name thousands of years ago. You know it and it ain't a greek one. It is Macedonia and it will remain Macedonia. We are in no need of changing it. Your blockade will not stop our goals and that is full international recognition of our right to proudly carry the name MACEDONIA wherever we are and wherever we may go.

So we see it like this.You Greeks have problem with our name and try everything possible in your power to deny the right for us to carry the name MACEDONIA, even though it doesn't represent any treat to you as Greeks whatsoever.

We as Macedonians are not going to give it because we are troubled with harshness over economic issues nor with any other difficulties that may rise on the way of achieving our goals. There is no price high enough for us to accept some new name.
And we will never will. Either accept that or if you are courage enough come over and take it off our blood.

1...1945 is when you became Macedonians, in the Communist Yugoslavia sense and in the South-Slavic context.

2...I know you as Slav-Macedonian

3...Macedonia(n)...This term is used to refer to Northern-Greeks, who's ancestral forebears were responsible for spreading Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world. You are not one of these!

4...You dont change it, you simple add something in front of it like...New-Macedonia or Slav-Macedonia or North-Macedonia.

5...Your aim is to usurp the Macedonian name and everything associated with it. Your aim is to usurp the Macedonian name in order to apply it to your New-Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when these Identity factors are known to be all Greek-Hellenic.

6...You No represent a Threat to Greeks, you simply take pleasure in watching the Greeks squirm at your antics and you do it just for the gratification factor you glean
from bad-mouthing Greeks, smearing their National-Character and denigrating their Hellenic culture.

7...You are Not the Macedonian you think you are. You are Not Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word, this is the reason why we need a distinction, in order to differentiate Slav-Macedonians from Greeks. The difference is significant and substantial, it is the difference between those who can legitimately claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor from those who cannot.

8...We No touch your blood. We want to defend and protect what is ours through fraternal, geographic, cultural, linguistic and historic ties to our ancestral forebears. We are supported in that endeavour by the International academic community, the E.U. the U.N. and NATO.

Shocking how many time you'd write same things

This only tells me you're wrong Nick.

Why would you write 150 pages Nick if you feel not threatened?

You keep writing "in the Greek sense of the word" but....what does that mean?
You don't accept is and its your right.

Same as for Macedonians.

Drop this BS and focus on your true countries problems. Macedonia is not one of them. Stop using Macedonia as excuse to address real problem you should be more worry about.

Let me guess...Your an Abdul or a Mehmetin or a Goran, right!

TurkoSlavic Runt!

1...To off-set the Silliness your Slavist rogue-scholars
littered the Internet with.

2...It means you are Not Macedonian in the real sense, meaning from Greek-Hellenic stock.

3...Ok!

4...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people. Who are you referring to...Slav-Macedonians, maybe!

5...We can Multi-Task. Economic problems can be resolved but when a whole South-Slavic peoples have been taught to hate Greeks, Indoctrinated on Afrocentric Ideas and Turanid Ideas and Slavist Ideas about Greek-Hellenic people...It is a duty for me to set the record straight.

6...You mean FYRoM, right! There is Nothing real or proper Macedonian there, you know that, right!

Good to admit that we as Macedonians don't represent treat to you. Now start acting as this is true. Show us a respect we deserve. Don't act as we don't exist. We are here right beside you, even inside your country. Without respect all of these is just futile.


Nick how can you think of such crap as we do this out of pleasure to denigrate Greeks???

Sorry but this is pure nonsense. It is utter bullshit and makes me feel sorry for you. It is tragic and also funny because it shows your state of mind and that is that you are capable to accept absolute crap as true statement.


About NATO or EU. UN ???? Why don't you ask yourself what good that brought to Greece ???

Greece has become xenophobic society. Sad story written by corrupt politicians whose job is to create tensions, make new enemies in order to distract people from the total domestic failure!

1...Slavic speaking Macedonians are No Threat to the Greeks. We respect your Slavic heritage because Greeks participated in bringing the Slavic tribes closer to Byzantium and into the Greco-Roman world. We respect Slavs that respect our Greek-Hellenic heritage. We do Not respect those who intentionally set-out to ridicule Greeks and denigrate their culture.

2...You left us physical and material evidence!

3...Nonsense and Silliness...this is your speciality!

4...NATO for security and the E.U. for economic prosperity, although recent events in the economic sector would appear to negate that statement. This is a temporary glich that will straighten-out itself out later. Greece is now considered to be a good Team Player in Team NATO, where in the past Greece was considered a Maverick, loan player.

5...Xenophobic Yes, because Turkic people smugglers flooded Greece with a Multitude of Afro-Asian Musulmen and Musulmen from elsewhere...We witnessed Greece being torched and then flooded with anti-Hellenic foreigners. As for Greek politicians, only a few are worth keeping!

Macedonian Identity alters ethnic definitions depending on the specific historical time period. During classical antiquity, Macedonian Identity was specifically Greek, in geography, language, religion, culture and traditions. It stayed that way up until the latin-Romans came to rule over Macedonia at 146 B.C. Safe to say, this date underscores a marker point in history where Macedonian Identity can only belong to Greek heritage.

From since the period of latin-Roman rule, 146 B.C. - 394 A.D. Macedonia became an extended geographic term, a regional Identity used by Northern-Greeks and the Hellenized - Romanized peoples of the Haemus. That the original Indigenous Macedonians were dispersed, scattered, diluted and a substantial number sold into Slavery by the latin-Romans is all but given, for these tactics were normal standard Roman practices of governance over troublesome areas and peoples. The ancient-Macedonians were a hardy Northern-Greek peoples who were difficult to tame and even more difficult to govern.

From 146 B.C. till 394 A.D. Macedonian Identity altered definition, Greco-Romans and latin-Romans Hellenized and Romanized the Indigenous Thracian Illyrian populations in the now expanded Macedonian region. Safe to say, up to this date 394 A.D. in history, the Greek element was there in an enlarged Macedonian region.

From 394 A.D. onward, latin-Roman rule dimishes and Macedonia in its enlarged form comes into the Eastern-Roman
Empire, the Greco-Roman Byzantine Empire...a Greek speaking Multi-Ethnic Empire.

Greek speaking Byzantine Greco-Romans witnessed Goths, both Visi and Ostro-Goths come into the Empire. Avaro-Hunnic Nomads too, and Bulgaro-Slavic tribes also. The Greek element was there, in a Macedonian region trampled-on by every Mans horse and his dog, the Greek element was still there.

The point is this: The Slavic tribes settled the extended region of Macedonia and made it their home...Not as Macedonians but as Slavic speaking peoples still using their Slavic Tribal Identities.

I say to our Slavic neighbours...dont underestimate the collective Intelligence of the International community!

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage, there is No need to expand further on this explanation, for the learned peoples of this world have already conceded this point to favour the Greek argument in the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece.

To Nick the arvanoturkovlach,

Just because you keep repeating your lies, it doesn't mean they are magically going to come true. The transplant of turkish christians from Anatolia into Macedonia after Macedonia's partition in 1912 does not make these transplanted people related to ancient Macedonians. They aren't even indigenous to the region, so how can they be Macedonians??? Sorry my albanian friend, your logic is light weight and can be refuted by a 5 year old. Just because you acquired Macedonian land a hundred years ago, doesn't make you Macedonian. The annexation of Macedonian land is still a recent enough event for the world to be able to find reports and documents on this injustice.

You being a christian turk/albanian/vlach would mean you are of christian faith. All christians believe that The Bible is the word of God. To deny the existence of Macedonia and the Macedonians is to deny the truthfulness of the Bible. The Bible mentions Macedonia and the Macedonians on a number of occasions.

The best you can be is a geographic Macedonian, but your ethnicity will always be albanian, turk or vlach - what you like to call 'pure greek'.

1...Those people you call Christian Turks were there in Asia-Minor before the Turk set-foot in Anatolia. Thick and Illiterate view point on your behalf, right! Greeks in the East = Anatolia...How did they get there ??? Go Figure! Greeks lost Macedonia by conquest at various intervals guring the past, but they have always regained Macedonia by conquest...we regained it from the Mehmetin Turk, read the history of the Balkan Wars! Those people you call Christian Turks are the equivalent of your Christian Slavs in Canada or Australia, when they get home to FYRoM they are kith and kin, right!

2...You are Not of them Macedonians, the bible refers to!

Everytime you open your Mouth...You shoot yourself in the foot, how do you that!

3...Thats what you are...Macedonian by geography, courtesy of those latin-Romans who extended the original Greek Macedonian region to cover Paeonian lands and Dardanian lands, where FYRoM is situated right now!

From since the forming of the ancient-Hellenic Tribes, up till the coming of the latin-Romans to the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...Macedonian Identity remained exclusively Greek, precisely the reason why it is assigned to Greek heritage.

Macedonian Identity stayed that way, it stayed Greek throught-out Roman rule...latin-Roman and Greco-Roman respectively, but not in the exclusive sense for Macedonia altered in size and shape and became a geographic term.

From since the settlement of the Bulgaro-Slavic Tribes into the Imperial Byzantine Empire, the Greco-Roman world...Bulgars along with the Serbs vyed and competed for supremecy in the region, the rest is well documented history!

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage...lets leave it at that!

Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were a Greek speaking Hellenic people. Those who attempt to de-Hellenize Macedonians in order to make ancestors out them, insult Greeks and denigrate Hellenism but even worse than this, they make a mockery out of classicist historian scholars who staked their professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman classical history.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs alienated a whole Nation of Greek-Hellenic people against them...but they also alienated the academic scholarly world against them. FYRoM cannot say or do Silly things anymore or that Silliness shall be thrown straight back in their face.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples
and this fact, this academic reference point must be respected...even by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

Well said aussie.

Macedonian Identity was exclusively Greek during one historical period...right up till the coming of the latin speaking Romans to the Haemus peninsula.

Latin-Roman rule witnessed the original ancient-Greek region of Macedonia expand, change size and shape...and ethnic composition, but the Greek element was there

The latin speaking-Romans Romanized vast swathes of the Haemus...the Jericek line is often cited as the marker which dilineates the divide between latin-Roman influence and Greco-Roman influence in the Haemus. This divide is not much different to the genetic Map of L.Luca Cavalli-Sforza, depicting and illustrating the genetic signature of the Greeks and of partial Greek peoples currently residing in the Haemus.

That FYRoM is included into that genetic [signature] footprint speaks volumes.

The genetic geography of the Greek-Hellenic colonization of antiquity is clearly Mapped and the Southern Balkans are included into that footprint as a area who's peoples can boast partial-Greek ancestry...not full, but partial ancestry so lets be clear about that.

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage because at one-time, during the earliest of historical periods, that Identity was exclusively Greek. That exclusivity ended when the latin-Romans came to the Haemus and expanded the original region of Macedonia to cover Paeonia and Dardania,
for strategic administrative purposes.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs carry native and indigenous genes in their biological make-up, that would be because they had Greco-Roman ancestors who for one reason or another, decided to adopt the Slavic language and culture when the region was settled by the Slavic Tribes during the 6th Century A.D.

Slavicized Greeks could Re-Hellenize...If they wanted to!

Re-Hellenization remains the only way of sharing the history and heritage of the Greeks...Re-Hellenize willingly and voluntarily and return back to the fold. If Alexander the Great means that much to you, Re-Hellenize Now!

FYRoM's much covetted Macedonian Identity is legitimized [merely] on the basis that at one time, and during one historical period the land on which FYRoM is situated was called Macedonia...but only in the geographic terminology.

In-fact, Rome defeated the Macedonian armies under the last [179-168 BC] Macedonian King-Perseus. Macedonians are then dispersed and sold into Slavery...a Roman tactic much used, intended to dilute the resurgence of a deafeated peoples.
King-Perseus dies prisoner in Rome, a rebellion against the Roman rule fails, and by 146 BC, Macedonia becomes a Roman province.

The latin speaking Romans, in addition to diluting the Macedonian population, went on to alter the regions geography by extending it. The original Greek borders of Macedonia were kept in-tact and called "Macedonia Prima," which losely translates to the "first Macedonia." The Romans kept it as a province encompassing most of the Kingdom of Macedonia and went on to use the name "Macedonia Salutaris" or "Macedonia Secunda" which losely translates as "second Macedonia" to rename a province encompassing partial-Dardanian lands and the whole of Paeonian lands. The ancient-town of Stobi was the former capital of ancient-Paeonia, it arose later to become the capital city of "Macedonia Salutaris" "Advantageous Macedonia" which was also known as "Macedonia Secunda" "Second Macedonia."

It doesn't take a professor or a scientist to figure out that FYRoM is situated on lands which were renamed by the latin speaking Romans to:

1...Macedonia Salutaris meaning Advantageous-Macedonia!
2...Macedonia Secunda meaning the Second-Macedonia!

Those latin-Romans were very political, they realized the importance of keeping the original Greek-Macedonian region in-tact, hence they kepts it's geography and named it to:

1...Macedonia Prima meaning the First-Macedonia in latin.

It is very clear then...the latin-Romans made a conscious political dicision to divide real and proper Macedonia from their politically extended "Advantageous" or "Second" Macedonia in order to keep the dialogue channels open to Macedonian posessions in the East, namely the Seleucid Empire and the Macedonian posession of Egypt. Latin speaking Romans knew they were dealing with Greeks and knew just how to deal with them, for they saw themselves in the ancient-Hellenes. Julius Ceasar took a bust of Alexander the Great with him wherever he went and many latin speaking Romans professed to having Hellenic ancestors.

Now I ask you...Can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs continue to fabricate their way into the Myths and Legends of Hellas as Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians when their is Nothing Macedonian about them or the lands on which they reside.
They are Macedonians courtesy of those very political latin speaking Romans, who thought it wise to distinguish the real and proper "First Macedonia" [Macedonia Prima] from the extended "Second Macedonia" [Macedonia Secunda] they renamed for strategic politically motivated administrative reasons.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians are they...

Those who labour and press the point, I mean, those who want to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs can only do so from a "secondary" perspective...for "Macedonia Prima" circumvents their claims of inheritance to the ancient-Macedonian legacy by a higher factor!

FYRoM's Slavist rogue scholars, pseudo-historians and speacialist propagandists opted to play politics with the inventors of politics...whether Greek speaking or latin speaking, those Romans [[Greco-Romans][Latin-Romans]] run rings around their attempts to De-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage...lets leave it at that because if you labour or press that point, FYRoM shall distance itself further and further away from the one Identity it aspires to apply to itself.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people...Those latin speaking Romans sealed that when they
kept the original Macedonia as "Macedonia Prima" and FYRoM's part as "Macedonia Secunda."

The latin speaking Romans distinguished Macedonia Prima from Macedonia Secunda...Why ???

FYRoM is situated in a place the latin-Romans named "Macedonia Salutaris" also known as "Macedonia Secunda" which makes FYRoM a latin-Roman invention. This region the Romans considered secondary to the real and proper "Macedonia Prima" or "First Macedonia." FYRoM is located in a place the Romans distinguished from the Greek original.

FYRoM equates to Macedonia Secunda or Second Macedonia, the place is a Roman extension of real and proper Macedonia, "Macedonia Prima" the "First Macedonia" the Greek-Hellenic original. How hard can it be for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be able to understand the distinction between the original Greek-Macedonia from the latin-Roman extended one.

FYRoM's much covetted Macedonian Identity rests on the actions of those latin speaking Romans, it is legitimized (merely) on the basis that at one stage in time, and during one historical period, the lands on which FYRoM is situated the Romans named Macedonia...but only in the Secondary sense
for the real and proper Macedonia they kept geographically in-tact and named it Macedonia Prima, the first Macedonia.

Macedonia Prima = Original Greek Macedonia!

Macedonia Secunda = Where FYRoM is right now!

The latin speaking Romans made a conscious political distinction between the original ancient region of Macedonia and their extended one, which they elected to name as Macedonia Secunda, meaning Second Macedonia.

FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity shatter in the face of this evidently simple Roman distinction, which clearly delineates Greek Macedonia from the extended Second Macedonia the Romans created for administrative purposes.

FYRoM...there is Nothing authentically Macedonian there!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians on the basis of some Slavists searching and sifting through the historical archive to find something that connected the Slavs to Macedonia...the problem for those shameless Slavists was this:

They misinterpreted ancient historical texts and applied the wrong Macedonia [Macedonia Secunda] to South-Slavic people. They also applied the terms (i) barbarian and (ii) blond hair, found in those ancient historical texts to their own South-Slavic peoples.

Slavs have always been depicted and illustrated as blond-haired wild savage barbaric peoples...so those shameless Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia linked and connected themselves to the ancient-Greek Macedonians from antiquity, who were called barbarians on the basis they spoke Greek in a Northern Greek accent.

The ancient-Greeks used derogatory remarks in conversation with each-other, like they do today.

Slavists interpreted the barbarian term to mean wild savage, and applied it to themselves because this is how they see themselves, as wild savages, whereas the ancient-Greek use of that term had an entirely different meaning...some, ancient-Greeks called Northern-Greeks barbarian on the basis they could not easily be understood, unintelligable speech, Southern Athernian Greeks considered this attribute uncultured and uncouth.

Slavists rubbish modern-Greeks and denigrate their Hellenic culture on the basis, it was only the Slavs that were depicted and illustrated as blond-haired, barbarian wild savages in the annals of recorded history.

The more we delve into FYRoM's much vaunted Macedonian Identity...the more we find that it is Not Macedonian at all but a South-Slavic one, a God-given South-Slavic Identity which they reject, deny or keep hidden. FYRoM has become the most Afrocentric-Induced, Turanid-Influenced Slavic country in the world, disputing and contesting it's own Slavic ethno-racial origins. Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage, this is what our Slavic and Turkic neighbours must respect, for they are residing in the Haemus peninsula, the place which spawned Hellenism, the host Hellenic culture. Why South-Slavs would stoop to such great lengths to rubbish the Greeks and Hellenism is beyond me!

To our neighbours I say this: Why did you do that, Why did you rubbish the Greeks and denigrate their culture in their own home-lands...This is way too primitive to contemplate, right!

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage because at one stage in time, and during one historical period, Macedonian Identity was exclusively Greek and Nothing else.
The latin speaking Romans sealed that fact when they made a poltical distinction between the real and proper region of Macedonia from the one that they extended for administrative purposes. If the Greeks are from "Macedonia Prima" meaning the first Macedonians, and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs live in a place the latin-Romans named "Macedonia Secunda" meaning the second Macedonia...what can we deduce from that.

Conclusion: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not real or proper Macedonians...at least, Not in the Greek sense of that word according to Roman political logic.

So the first Macedonians are the Greeks, circumventing FYRoM's claims of inheritance to the ancient-Macedonian legacy by a factor of one...Macedonia Prima is a higher factor than Macedonia Secunda, if we apply Roman logic.

Roman logic makes FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Secondary Macedonians, meaning Not real or proper Macedonians, for the real and proper Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, the Romans knew that from since 146 BC.

Today, the extended geographic region of Macedonia overlaps the territories of more than one country. The Macedonian name cannot be usurped exclusively by any one of those countries, but instead, the Macedonian name can be used in relationship to everyone. FYRoM's want to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively, is made at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks, Bulgars and Albanians and goes against the grain of fairness, for Greeks inhabit 51% of Macedonian lands, FYRoM inhabits 39%, Bulgaria inhabits 9% and Albania inhabits just 1%. A fair compromise would necessitate the use of a geographical qualifier, this would appear to be the most appropriate method of finding a solution that would end the long-running name dispute between FYRoM - Greece over the formers country’s name.

Thus far, FYRoM has rejected the terms:

1...New-Macedonia
2...North-Macedonia
3...Northern-Macedonia
4...Upper-Macedonia
5...Grno-Macedonia
6...Slav-Macedonia
7...Slavija-Makedonija

The Onus is on FYRoM to accept a compromise that will end the name dispute with Greece...a compromise that does not outwardly offend or insult anyone.

For me, that would be Nea-Makedonija...FYRoM becomes the New-Macedonia of the Haemus in that dressing using a blend of Greco-Slavic wording!

The John Smith analogy attempts to explain the Silliness of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece in simplistic fashion. It goes like this: Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side, next door to each other, but if one John Smith pretends to be the other one...that action would be called Identity Theft.

similarly......

Two Macedonias could live in peace, side by side, next door to each other but if one of those Macedonias decides to usurp the Identity of the other one...that would be considered Identity theft, or in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery.

The intricacies surounding the correct usage of the Macedonian name traversies political, legal, philological, moral and ethical dimensions.

FYRoM has invoked the UN human-rights charter in order to action it's self-determination right to self-determine as a Nation of Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, and in the cultural linguistic sense, when it is all but given, these Identity factors do not bode well with FYRoM's Slavic characteristics.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people but FYRoM disputes and contests this point in the face of overwhelming material evidence to the contrary...alienating a whole Nation of Greeks and the Greek diaspora, and making enemies out of historian scholars and academics alike, who staked their professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman classical history.

Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage...FYRoM wanting to use that Identity for it's new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity goes against the grain of decency and good neighbourly conduct.

FYRoM seriously underestimated the collective Intelligence of the academic world. Who could have imagined a situation where political expediancy would see historian scholars and academics alike band together to defend and protect the virtues of the mainstream historical narrative, and who could have imagined academia band together to show those global politicians who supported the FYRoM cause, that political expediancy could be permited to ride roughshod over and above historical verity.

FYRoM is not Macedonia but Paeonia if one wanted to be precise about ancient geography...We can Prove it!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians but Serbians and Bulgarians in ethnogenic-transition. We can Prove it!

FYRoM's language is not Macedonian but "Serbo-Bulgarian" misnamed to Macedonian language by mischievious Slavist philologists...We can Prove it!

We can Prove that FYRoM and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are neither real or proper Macedonia nor real or proper Macedonians respectively!

So Why the Silliness...Why the Pretense ???

We can Prove beyond reasonable doubt that Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people...something which is respected at the academic level and should be respected at the Turkic and Slavic level, afterall, Slavics and Turkics live in close proximity to the Greeks in the Haemus peninsula, home of the Hellenes from since Millenia!

Is FYRoM taking us for fools. Slavdom claims them as Slavic peoples...Serbia claims them as Slavs and Bulgaria claims them as Slavs. Albania knows them as Slavic peoples and Romania knows them as Slavic peoples.

Montenegro knows them as Slavic people.
Slovenia knows them as Slavic people.
Croatia knows them as Slavic people.

The Greeks know them as South-Slavic peoples more Bulgarian than Serbian.

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are from Serbian and Bulgarian stock goes without saying, it is all but given, nobody disputes this point.

The point here is this:

FYRoM denys it's Slavic heritage by overtly setting itself the task of finding an alternative, different ethnogenic starting point, a voyage of discovery so to speak which FYRoM hopes will place it somewhere into the Myths and Legends of Hellas as a Slavic speaking peoples in ancient-Macedonia.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Serbians and Bulgarians in ethnogenic transition, they sift and search to find themselves an Identity rooted in classical antiquity, to the ancient Macedonians, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage...

...FYRoM does it's best to rubbish this fact, this academic reference point!

FYRoM's Slavic Identity is kept hush hush, hidden from view and never a topic for general discussion, unless ofcourse, that conversation mentions FYRoM's other Identity, the Macedonian one it covets to usurp. FYRoM's mind-architects,
Slavist revisionist pseudo-historians, scripted FYRoM a history and heritage placing it in the heart of classical antiquity where the ancient-Macedonians dwelt. Classical antiquity is a broad term, it depicts the long period of history which centered on the civilizations of Greece and Rome, collectively known as the Greco-Roman world.

Classical antiquity is conventionally understood to begin with the earliest-recorded Greek poetry of Homer [8th–7th Century BC], and continued through to the emergence of Christianity, to the decline of the latin-Roman Empire [5th Century AD].Classical antiquity gives way to Late-antiquity [300–600 AD] which blends into the Early Middle Ages [600–1000 AD]. This is the marker point in history which sees FYRoM's ancestors enter into the pages and chapters of our common European history book, when the Slavic Tribes settled into the Greco-Roman world...Not as Macedonians but as Slavs and Bulgars and Avars. FYRoM's attempts to link it's Identity to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity is out of synchronicity with history verity's time clock.

Classical antiquity FYRoM missed out on...FYRoM's ancestors entered the Greco-Roman world and the history books well into the Early Middle Ages [600-1000 AD] making it impossible for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to usurp an Identity their Slavic ancestral forebears had Nothing to do with.

The Hellenic culture of the ancient-Greeks prevailed throughout Classical-antiquity, it set the standards and became the basis of the arts and the sciences, philosophy, society, and educational Ideals. Hellenisms Ideals and core values were preserved and imitated, in an outward sense, by the Romans. This Greco-Roman cultural foundation has been immensely influential on the language, politics, educational systems, philosophy, science, art, and architecture of Western civilization as we know it.

Celto-Germanic people do not relate themselves to Greeks or Romans, but they have never rubbished Greco-Roman culture or civilization...FYRoM's Slavs do exactly, they rubbish Greco-Roman culture and civilization by attempting to make the ancient-Macedonians Slavic and seperate from the Greco-Romans, something the Celto-Germanic peoples never ever attempted to do!

They were a Turkish speaking population, they were christians not muslims, they did not know how to speak arvanoturkovlach. They had to be taught this 'greek' language that you speak today. It was not natural to them. There is evidence of this. You are most likely a descendant of one of these christian turks.

Please pinpoint the exact moment when Macedonia was 'lost' by conquest??? Lol - this is almost the dumbest quote i've seen you say.


There is no other type of Macedonians. Only Macedonians call themselves Macedonians. As I mentioned - albanians, turks, vlachs are not indigenous to Macedonia. Only Macedonians are - hence why they are Macedonians. It's actually that simple! You question the truthfulness of the Bible, you are not a true christian.


This is impossible. The Macedonians never settled Macedonian lands, they came from Macedonian lands. Arvanoturkovlachs were transplanted into Macedonian lands prior to Macedonia's annexation in 1912. It's all recorded in history.

You have light weight arguments my turkish friend. All the copying and pasting in the world will not change the fact that you are either albanian, turkish or vlach. And this you believe makes you 'greek'. LOL

1...Like your Canadian Slavs and Australian Slavs in the diaspora...the 4th Generation ones that have completely assimilated into Anglo-Saxon society. If they ever went back home, they would probably ask for some help in relearning the Slavic language, right!

2...The Roman Conquest of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula 146 BC. Regained 394 AD under Byzantine Greco-Roman rule. The Slavic incursions of the 6th Century A.D. caused the Byzantines to shift Macedonia, in longitude and in latitude to Thrace, in order to save the population from Slavic excruciations. The Slavs sufficiently weakened the Byzantines, making the conditions ripe for Turkic take-over of the Haemus.

3...You are Not one of them...neither Prima-Macedonian nor Secunda-Macedonian. Your ancestors were Slavic speaking foreign people.

4...Macedonians are Greeks from Macedonia-Prima. The latin-Romans knew how to distinguish Greek Macedonians from NoN-Greeks, hence they kept original Macedonia Greek, and created Macedonia-Secunda for the NoN-Greeks.

5...You are an Indoctrinatede TurkoMongoSlavic little Git, with No real, earthly or natural connections to Macedonia or Macedonians. You TurkoSlavs took something good like the Classics and converted them into something Vulgar!

It's not enough to claim you are a Macedonian on the basis of a feeling, or on the basis you have right to do so under the UN human-rights charter. It's not enough to have abused that universal right of self-determination to self determine after another peoples name, an ancient-archaic, regional-tribal name which has been in use from since classical antiquity. It's not enough to claim Macedonian Identity whilst having proven Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic characteristics. It's hardly convincing to tell the world you are Macedonian, when in reality you are from proven Serbian Bulgarian stock. It's not enough to claim Macedonian Identity on the basis your Serbo-Bulgarian language went through a process known as language shift...a process which shifted Serbo-Bulgarian to Macedonian in the autumn of 1944, during the Communist years in the old-Yugoslavia.

It's not enough to proclaim yourself Macedonian on the basis you live in Paeonia, a place the latin-Romans renamed to Macedonia-Secunda, the Second-Macedonia in order to distinguish it from the Greek original, which the Romans called Macedonia-Prima...the first [original] Macedonia.

It's not enough to claim Macedonian Identity on the basis your Slavic ancestors mixed with ancient-Macedonians when at the 6th Century A.D. [[late antiquity][early middle ages]] there were no ancient-Macedonians but Greco-Romans.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs making claims to Macedonian Identity when they are unable substantiate those claims. South-Slavs making claims of inheritence to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity for all the wrong reasons...Slavist reasons,
which set-out to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs in order to take Greek territory.

Within the confines of the old-communist Yugoslavia, Slavists created the federations 6th Autonomous Republic which they later renamed to Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1945, to compliment the decision to rename a West-Bulgarian dialect to Macedonian language in 1944. When Yugoslavia broke-up, it let lose all that was bad in
Communism...it let lose all those Slavist nutters with crazy Ideas about Alexander the Great having Slavic origins.

Greeks live next to the most Afrocentric-Induced, Turanid-Influenced, Slavic country in the world...FYRoM, where all the Slavist Nutters live!

The slavic migration theory is just that, a theory. There is not one shred of physical evidence that there were any mass migrations at that time. This theory was put forward by the same people who invented a modern race made up of albanians, turks, vlachs, slavic speaking peoples - you know all the pure 'greeks'. Yes, the germans came up with a migration theory that has no evidence of happening whatsoever. I challenge anyone in the world to produce a single piece of evidence of a migration that reshaped Europe forever!

It is not enough to claim ownership of Macedonian history and land just because christian turks were transplanted from anatolia into Macedonia after Macedonia's partition in the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913. Last time i checked non indigenous christian turks are not Macedonians, and never will be. Only indigenous people to Macedonian lands can claim Macedonia. And guess what, the Macedonians fill that criteria. Hence why they are known throughout the world as Macedonians, and their culture, customs and language known as Macedonian.

No amount of german theories or copy and paste lies can change the fact that Macedonians exist as a seperate ethnicity to albanians, turks, vlachs which are pure 'greeks'.

Don't you have anything else to do? Shouldn't you be in the second albanian capital of athens rioting???

1...You call it Slavic migrations...I call it the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic Incursions of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula from the 6th Century AD.

2...No Migrations...Just Incursions, by that barbarian conglomorate-alliance made of Avaro-Hunnic steppe people and Bulgaro-Slavic steppe people wanting to settle the [Haemus] Greco-Roman world.

3...The big bad West, right!

4...The Germans did that...are you sure Abdul!

5...No Migration...Just Incursions from Avaro-Hunnic steppe peoples and Bulgaro-Slavic steppe peoples wanting to settle Imperial Byzantine territories.

6...You call them Christian-Turks but Turks called them Anatolian-Greeks and swapped them for good Musulmen from the Balkans. The Greco-Turkish population exchange programme was well documented...Christian-Greeks from Turkey were exchanged for Balkan Musulmen Turko-Slavic peoples.

7...Those Anatolian-Greeks were there before the Eastern-Asiatic, Oriental-Musulman Turk set foot on Anatolian soil. They got there at various stages, during historical periods when the Greeks were spreading Hellenism to the East.

8...You are Not one of them...I mean, You are Not Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word.

9...German theories...are we blaming the Germans now!

10...I am here to make it crystal clear to the Abduls Mehmetins, and Gorans, that Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

Keep it coming Abdul...expose your anti-Western, anti-Hellenic diatribe here so that real and proper Australians can see it for themselves what a bunch of Afrocentric-Induced, Turanid-Influenced, Slavist-Indoctrinated South-Slavs reside in Kangaroo land!

Macedonians are the Greeks from Macedonia-Prima. The reason for it's distinction was to differentiate Macedonians from foreign NoN-Greek peoples. The latin-Romans kept the original lands of Macedonia in-tact, because they knew, Macedonians have always been Greeks!

It's not enough for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to say they are Macedonians...Nobody is above the Prima-Macedonians. It's not enough for South-Slavic people to claim Macedonian Identity on the basis they feel Macedonian when it is known that Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are, I mean, they are Not Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word because they are from Slavic stock...from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

It's not enough to claim Macedonians Identity on the basis of the above!

Macedonians are the Greeks from Macedonia-Prima, the Roman way of distinguishing original Macedonia, from the one they extended for political administrative reasons...Macedonia-Secunda!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could only ever be Secondary Macedonians...and then, only in the geographic sense and in the Slavic sense!

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to refer to Northern-Greeks who's ancestors were responsible for spreading Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world.

What do FYRoM's Bulgaro-Slavic people have to do with that ?