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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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FYRoM's refusal to accept that their claims to a Macedonian Identity pale in comparison to the Greek claim. FYRoM's claims do not compare to the claims of Greece, on the basis the earliest-Macedonians were a people of Greek-Hellenic stock, they walked like Greeks and talked like Greeks, and these are facts which the Slavs of FYRoM cannot easily dismiss!

That FYRoM used Slavist-School propaganda to promote the Idea that Alexander the Great was not Greek but Macedonian,
was seen by classicist historian scholars as an attempt to seperate Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks in order to make them less Greek and more Slavic.

Academic resistance to FYRoM's revisionist pseudo-history has led to FYRoM's demise...kept at a distance, at arms length from the European family.

FYRoM's integration into the European family of Nations can only proceed on the recognition that Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon and the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic people...not Serbo-Bulgarian
South-Slavic people from FYRoM!
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...these are the Greeks from Macedonia who's ancestors were responsible for spreading Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture
to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonian...

...Go tell the Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans who between them believe that Serbo-Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs from FYRoM are the true descendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

1...Abdul tells Mehmetin he Turk and Trojan!
2...Mehmetin tells Goran he Macedonian and Slav
3...Goran tells Abdul he Noble Proto-Turkistani father of Civilization!

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who seek tirelessly to eradicate Hellenism...the host-culture of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula in order to install their own unique Mehmeto-Goranic culture, in a region of the world known to have spawned Hellenism and the Hellenes.
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The point is: Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...in the ancient-Kingdom. How can FYRoM consolidate this fact with their awkward claims to a Macedonian Identity to which they do not connect or have any meaningful relationship with!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim they are Macedonians on the basis they live in Macedonia but their land is not Macedonia proper, it is Paeonia in the South and Dardania in the North...FYRoM Fails on that one!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim they are Macedonians on the basis they speak Macedonian but their language is not Macedonian proper, it is a Serbo-Bulgarian language misnamed to Macedonian language by mischieveous Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia.

Greeks connect to Macedonia and Macedonians through geographic-connections and fraternal-connections, cultural-linguistic connections and historic-connections...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...how can FYRoM consolidate this fact with their revisionism and pseudo-history when classicist historian scholars fully back, and fully endorse the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity!

Shameless...absolutely shameless, the way TurkoSlavs Rubbish Greek history in order to get a high from the gratification factor, gleaned from watching Greeks squirm at their antics!
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05/21/2012 05:40 PM
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The point is: Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...in the ancient-Kingdom. How can FYRoM consolidate this fact with their awkward claims to a Macedonian Identity to which they do not connect or have any meaningful relationship with!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim they are Macedonians on the basis they live in Macedonia but their land is not Macedonia proper, it is Paeonia in the South and Dardania in the North...FYRoM Fails on that one!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim they are Macedonians on the basis they speak Macedonian but their language is not Macedonian proper, it is a Serbo-Bulgarian language misnamed to Macedonian language by mischieveous Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia.

Greeks connect to Macedonia and Macedonians through geographic-connections and fraternal-connections, cultural-linguistic connections and historic-connections...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...how can FYRoM consolidate this fact with their revisionism and pseudo-history when classicist historian scholars fully back, and fully endorse the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity!

Shameless...absolutely shameless, the way TurkoSlavs Rubbish Greek history in order to get a high from the gratification factor, gleaned from watching Greeks squirm at their antics!
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05/22/2012 02:58 PM
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At the end of the day...people have grown tired of it, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece!

Mention Macedonia now, and Greece comes to mind!

Not so long ago there was a concerted effort to promote FYRoM as Macedonia, but that promotion stopped, the promoters have gone AWOL, they abandoned the project, too much high maintenance...low-returns, high-costs, rendered the FYRoM project too costly, therefore it became a lost cause.

Today, FYRoM has no friends, not anymore, but for Turkey FYRoM has no more friends in high enough places to champion it's cause...to establish itself as a Nation of Slavic speaking Macedonians.

Mention Macedonia nowadays and Greece comes to mind because Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...with credential like these, there is no valid reason for FYRoM to exist, not anymore!

From the day FYRoM entered onto the world stage, it has done it's best to rile Greece. FYRoM has proven itself to be a constant source of hostility towards Greeks and the Hellenic Nation.

Greeks cannot live next to a hostile Slavic Nation on it's doorstep, a Nation of Slavs who work tirelessly to change the demographic in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula. FYRoM's Southern-Slavs seek to eradicate the host-culture of Haemus in order to Install a TurkoSlavic one...they work in tandem with Turkics to erase the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM's Slavs, in tandem with Turkics have produced pseudo-scriptured which depict ancient-Macedonians as Slavic speakers...similar in form to the Turanid pseudo-scriptures of the Turkics who depict themselves as ancient-Trojans.

Greeks live next to hostile TurkoSlavic peoples...on their doorstep!

Greeks have right to defend and to protect themselves!

Greeks have right to protect their heritage in a region of the world known to have spawned Hellenism.
Nick the Greek
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05/22/2012 04:56 PM
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Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...every Tom Dick and Harry knows that!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom!

FYRoM's Slavs have not only alienated the modern-Greeks with their hostile antics towards Hellenism...they have also alienated historian scholars and academics alike who staked their professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman classicist history.

There are no valid reasons anymore for FYRoM to exist...the Macedonian name it covets so much is beyond bounds, restricted for Greek use only.

FYRoM cannot exist as Republic of Macedonia on the basis there is Nothing Macedonian in FYRoM...not the land, not the people, not the language!

No valid reasons for FYRoM to be awarded the Macedonian name...to name their country, nationality, language and ethnicity when these Identity factors do not apply to FYRoM's Slavic speaking peoples.
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05/23/2012 02:36 AM
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The thing that shall haunt the Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs of FYRoM the most, for eternity is this: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have committed the worst crimes against Hellenism...they work tirelessly to change the demographic in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula. In tandem with the Turkic Turanids, they seek to eradicate the host-culture from the Haemus and replacing it with their own unique TurkoSlavic one.

In their pseudo-scriptures the ancient-Macedonians become Slavic speakers and Alexander the Great becomes Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs...their Greek-Hellenic Identity erased, eradictated, converted into a Slavic Serbo-Bulgarian Identity residing in an ex-Yugoslav Republic the Slavs call Macedonia.

They shall not succeed, South-Slavs shall not eradicate Hellenism in it's own primordial homelands because Hellenism has a tried and tested way of biting back!

I say: Go tell them, the Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans of FYRoM...Molon Lave!
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05/23/2012 03:26 AM
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What a francking BS is this??

Was Alexander Greek or Not?

Ahaha.. Even Greeks today are not Helens of old age.. But are Turks. :)

Utter BS is this thread.
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05/23/2012 03:31 AM
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Slavs as a Gruop of People is terminology that did not exist in old age.. There were no Slavs , like Slavs.. and geneticaly Balkan people are much closer to Irish and Swedish then Polish or Russian..

And Polish and Russian are very much related to Germans and AngloSaxons and etc.. Huge chunk of Germany was called Prussia?

Interesting..

Why such an uneducated folks like to have so much arguments about stuff they have no clue about?
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In the times of Alexander there was no Greece , but were many tribes many city states.

Atheninas , Spartans , Macedonians , Moravians and etc..

Some were SPeaking Old Greek , Some not and were called Barbarians , Alexander was Barbarian if we take that Athenian point of view..

Greeks? like Greeks did not exist.

Slavs? like Slavs did not exist.

So take a look at the silly question of this thread?

Was he Slav or Greek?

Neither.
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05/23/2012 02:12 PM

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If Alexander was here now, he'd laugh at all this idiocy. Being born within certain illusory lines is not what makes you "Greek". It was your philosophy about material reality and the constant striving for perfection in all things. Anyone can be a "Greek", just like anyone (even some born within those same cherished illusory lines) can be a "barbarian". Alexander wouldn't give a shit about FYROM or the modern Greek government.
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If Alexander was here now, he'd laugh at all this idiocy. Being born within certain illusory lines is not what makes you "Greek". It was your philosophy about material reality and the constant striving for perfection in all things. Anyone can be a "Greek", just like anyone (even some born within those same cherished illusory lines) can be a "barbarian". Alexander wouldn't give a shit about FYROM or the modern Greek government.
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He walked like a Greek and talked like a Greek...right! Mr Poops!
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What a francking BS is this??

Was Alexander Greek or Not?

Ahaha.. Even Greeks today are not Helens of old age.. But are Turks. :)

Utter BS is this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8135620

TurkoSlavic Abdul little Git!


Slavs as a Gruop of People is terminology that did not exist in old age.. There were no Slavs , like Slavs.. and geneticaly Balkan people are much closer to Irish and Swedish then Polish or Russian..

And Polish and Russian are very much related to Germans and AngloSaxons and etc.. Huge chunk of Germany was called Prussia?

Interesting..

Why such an uneducated folks like to have so much arguments about stuff they have no clue about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8135620

In other words: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom!

Only Turki-Stanis, Turko-Cypriots and Turko-Slavs deny it!

Abduls, Mehmetins and Gorans...one of a kind!


1...In the times of Alexander there was no Greece , but were many tribes many city states.

2...Atheninas , Spartans , Macedonians , Moravians and etc..

3...Some were SPeaking Old Greek , Some not and were called Barbarians , Alexander was Barbarian if we take that Athenian point of view..

4...Greeks? like Greeks did not exist.

5...Slavs? like Slavs did not exist.

6...So take a look at the silly question of this thread?

7...Was he Slav or Greek?

Neither.
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1...There was No Greece in ancient times.There were no countries with fixed borders in ancien times. There were Greeks though...living in many City states and Kingdoms stretching from the river Iber in the West to the river Evros in East and beyond! The Hellenic Tribes numbered >230 that we know about.

2...Moravians were Not Greek speaking Hellenic people!

3...Alexander was the Greek King of Macedon. Barbarian in the Greek sense [unintelligable speech] of the word, not in the Slavic [savage] sense!

4...Yes they did...Hellenes are known as Greeks in the West
and Yunans in the East.

5...The Slavic Tribes were many...we know their Tribal names. I listed them all, way back in this Thread!

6...Silly is the pretend Dutch dude, who plays dumb and sometimes attempts to spoil, sabotage this Thread!

7...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon, right!

Basic Rule of Thumb: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!
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Macedonia:Cold Hard Facts...Callous Lies!

The fact: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs.

The lie: FYRoM's Southern-Slavs are Macedonians.

Fact: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs live a lie on the basis, Slavdom prepared and nurtured a branch of their own people to believe they speak Macedonian and live in proper-Macedonia, when that is a known lie! They do not live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedonia and they dont speak real or proper Macedonian which was an ancient Hellenic Doric dialect of the Greek language.

Lie: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not speak Macedonian...their language is a Serbo-Bulgarian concoction misnamed to Macedonian language by some devious and deceptive Slavist philologists from the old-Yugoslavia, they created that Serbo-Bulgarian hybrid concoction back in 1944! FYRoM's language is actually 5 letters short from being proper-Bulgarian, how deceptive is that! Very Devious and very Deceptive, right!

Lie: FYRoM is not Macedonia...FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian lands in the South and ancient-Dardanian-lands in the North. There is nothing Macedonian there.

If a language sounds Slavo-Bulgarian...why call that language Macedonian!

It just adds to the confusion over the Identity of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs who desperately want to ditch their God-given birth-Identity, for the more cool Macedonian one.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...this is a fact.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs live a lie...from since the Autumn of 1944 when those shameless Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia brainwashed and Indoctrinated a branch of their own peoples into the belief, they are walking talking Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alekandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.
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Here is an Interesting observation:

1...Serbians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Vardaskans, after the Banovina Vardar, the old name for South-Serbia.

2...Bulgarians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after themselves. Bulgarians do not distinguish them, they see them as Bulgarians.

3...Albanians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after Bulgarians proper. Albanians see them as an extension of the Bulgarian peoples.

4...Vlachs call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Virgari meaning Bulgarians. Vlachs see them as an extension of the Bulgar peoples.

5...Greeks call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, like proper Bulgarians. Greeks know Bulgarians. Greeks have watched Bulgarians from when they first settled into the Byzantine Empire [6th Cebtury AD] untill now!

6...Gypsies call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bugari, a corruption of the Bulgarian term.

7...Turks, Turkistanis and Turko-Cypriots call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Macedonians!

Spot the odd-man out!

Interesting observation...right!

FYRoM's neighbours know them as Bulgarians...even in FYRoM itself, the smaller ethnic-minorities know them as Bulgarians also. Interesting to note, it is only the Turkics that call them Macedonian.

To spite the Greeks, right!
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are South-Slavs, for sure, beyond a shadow of doubt.

Yugo-Slav means South-Slav...go figure!

No matter how hard they try to lose their God-given, birth Identity...FYRoM's South-Slav tag shall always come back to haunt them.

Being South-Slavs negates them being Macedonians!

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have produced 1001 Theories Ideas and Conjectures which attempt to consolidate their Slavic-Identity to the Macedonian-Identity they have learned to covet.

More cool being Macedonian than being a bog-standard South-Slav...If FYRoM could attain acceptance and recognition!

For 21 years...almost a generation, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been telling themselves they are Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, when it is known, these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavic people.

They seek to attain a Macedonian National Identity to compliment those Identity factors which if successful, shall entitle them to write their own National history claiming the ancient-Macedonian legacy...on the basis they are ethnic and racial, National, and cultural-linguistic Macedonians.

It takes a brave person to tell them...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks, not Southern-Slavs.

Thats why I am here...I can tell that, in the morning, in the afternoon and in the evening. I can tell them, day and night, they are Not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are.
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Here is an Interesting observation:

1...Serbians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Vardaskans, after the Banovina Vardar, the old name for South-Serbia.

2...Bulgarians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after themselves. Bulgarians do not distinguish them, they see them as Bulgarians.

3...Albanians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after Bulgarians proper. Albanians see them as an extension of the Bulgarian peoples.

4...Vlachs call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Virgari meaning Bulgarians. Vlachs see them as an extension of the Bulgar peoples.

5...Greeks call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, like proper Bulgarians. Greeks know Bulgarians. Greeks have watched Bulgarians from when they first settled into the Byzantine Empire [6th Cebtury AD] untill now!

6...Gypsies call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bugari, a corruption of the Bulgarian term.

7...Turks, Turkistanis and Turko-Cypriots call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Macedonians!

Spot the odd-man out!

Interesting observation...right!

FYRoM's neighbours know them as Bulgarians...even in FYRoM itself, the smaller ethnic-minorities know them as Bulgarians also. Interesting to note, it is only the Turkics that call them Macedonian.

To spite the Greeks, right!
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People that also live in Yunanistan(Greece):

Arvanites, Vlachs, Pomaks, Macedonians. Ponthics, Turks, Meglenite, Aromanian, Armenians...

All not enlisted in census lists.Why?

[link to www.joshuaproject.net]



Look in your yard first.Or are you one off those "golden yawn" racists pigs?
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The Macedonians are a southern Slavic people and speak the Macedonian language which is a part of the South Slavic group of languages. The modern Macedonians developed as a result of the mixing of the Slavs that came on the Balkans in 6th AD century, with local peoples that were living in the Macedonia prior to their coming. By absorbing the peoples living in Macedonia, the Slavs also absorbed their culture, and in that amalgamation a people was gradually formed with predominantly Slavic ethnic elements, speaking a Slavic language and with a Slavic-Byzantine culture.

In 581 AD, on the territory of Macedonia, the Slavs created their own country-like formation called the Macedonian Sclavinia, which waged several wars against the Byzantium Empire. In 686 AD, the last Macedonian Sclavinia was occupied by the Byzantium and the Bulgarians. In mid 8th century, the Macedonian Slavs under Byzantine rule were baptized and accepted Christianity, and the Macedonians under Bulgarian rule became Christians in 9th century. The Macedonians have a great role in the creation of the Slavic writing. The local dialect of the Macedonian Slavs spoken north of Thessaloniki became the basis for Old Church Slavonic, the first literary Slavic language. During the whole medieval period, Macedonia was constantly an object of conquest and was being slipped from Byzantine, to Bulgaria, to Serbia. This ended in 14th century when Macedonia, together with the whole Balkan region was conquered by the Ottoman Turks.
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Here is an Interesting observation:

1...Serbians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Vardaskans, after the Banovina Vardar, the old name for South-Serbia.

2...Bulgarians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after themselves. Bulgarians do not distinguish them, they see them as Bulgarians.

3...Albanians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after Bulgarians proper. Albanians see them as an extension of the Bulgarian peoples.

4...Vlachs call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Virgari meaning Bulgarians. Vlachs see them as an extension of the Bulgar peoples.

5...Greeks call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, like proper Bulgarians. Greeks know Bulgarians. Greeks have watched Bulgarians from when they first settled into the Byzantine Empire [6th Cebtury AD] untill now!

6...Gypsies call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bugari, a corruption of the Bulgarian term.

7...Turks, Turkistanis and Turko-Cypriots call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Macedonians!

Spot the odd-man out!

Interesting observation...right!

FYRoM's neighbours know them as Bulgarians...even in FYRoM itself, the smaller ethnic-minorities know them as Bulgarians also. Interesting to note, it is only the Turkics that call them Macedonian.

To spite the Greeks, right!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842

People that also live in Yunanistan(Greece):

Arvanites, Vlachs, Pomaks, Macedonians. Ponthics, Turks, Meglenite, Aromanian, Armenians...

All not enlisted in census lists.Why?

[link to www.joshuaproject.net]

Look in your yard first.Or are you one off those "golden yawn" racists pigs?
 Quoting: Macedonian 16666222

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs, you know that right!

Southern-Slavs have no right to take from the Greeks, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names which is still in use, being used today by Northern-Greeks.

Call yourselves Macedonian-Slavs or Slav-Macedonians to make the distinction.

Being South-Slav negates being Macedonian...in the Greek sense of that word!

Being South-Slav is your first Identity, your God-given birth Identity...use it!
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The Macedonians are a southern Slavic people and speak the Macedonian language which is a part of the South Slavic group of languages. The modern Macedonians developed as a result of the mixing of the Slavs that came on the Balkans in 6th AD century, with local peoples that were living in the Macedonia prior to their coming. By absorbing the peoples living in Macedonia, the Slavs also absorbed their culture, and in that amalgamation a people was gradually formed with predominantly Slavic ethnic elements, speaking a Slavic language and with a Slavic-Byzantine culture.

In 581 AD, on the territory of Macedonia, the Slavs created their own country-like formation called the Macedonian Sclavinia, which waged several wars against the Byzantium Empire. In 686 AD, the last Macedonian Sclavinia was occupied by the Byzantium and the Bulgarians. In mid 8th century, the Macedonian Slavs under Byzantine rule were baptized and accepted Christianity, and the Macedonians under Bulgarian rule became Christians in 9th century. The Macedonians have a great role in the creation of the Slavic writing. The local dialect of the Macedonian Slavs spoken north of Thessaloniki became the basis for Old Church Slavonic, the first literary Slavic language. During the whole medieval period, Macedonia was constantly an object of conquest and was being slipped from Byzantine, to Bulgaria, to Serbia. This ended in 14th century when Macedonia, together with the whole Balkan region was conquered by the Ottoman Turks.
 Quoting: Macedonian 16666222

Mixing of the Slavs with the local peoples...hmmm!

Greco-Romans, right! Greek speaking Romioi or Byzantines.
No ancient-Macedonians at the 6th Century AD, just Greco-Romans. So what does that make You ???

The Slavs created their own country-like formation called Macedonian Sclavinia...hmmm!

The Slavic Tribes came into the Greco-Roman world still using their own unique Tribal names and Identities. The Macedonian Identity they did not use because it wasn't theirs to use...so how could they call their Sclavenia after a Greek-Hellenic name. This is a crude and crass attempt to usurp the Macedonian name, a name which does not belong to South-Slavs at any meaningful level or relationship.

Slavs and Macedonia...or to be more precise: Slavs and the Macedonian Identity. This can be traced directly back to the Russian sponsored revival and resurrection of Bulgaria.

Imperialist Tzarist Russia was the sole sponsor-benefactor to revive Bulgaria as an Independant Nation State in the Balkans...the Bulgarian Exarchate seperated and segrated the common peoples of the Haemus into their allotted ethnic-racial affiliations w2hich was usually based on language.

Greeks are native and Indigenous to the Haemus...If you are native, it means your ancestors were Greeks.

If you are native but speak Slavic...think Slavicization!
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At the end of the day...people have grown tired of it, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece!

Mention Macedonia now, and Greece comes to mind!

 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842




tounge to your mind for sure- that's the only thing you think day and nite.

mention Macedonia - MACEDONIA come to anyone's mind.
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At the end of the day...people have grown tired of it, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece!

Mention Macedonia now, and Greece comes to mind!

 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842

tounge to your mind for sure- that's the only thing you think day and nite.

mention Macedonia - MACEDONIA come to anyone's mind.
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Being South-Slav negates being Macedonian on the basis...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs drive to have themselves recognized as real and proper Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, in the National sense and cultural-linguistic sense has met with such resistance it is unlikely ever to be attained.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...cold-hard facts which cannot easily be dismissed!

Mention Macedonia today and Greece comes to mind!

Mention historical revisionism and FYRoM comes to mind!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are South-Slavs for sure, without a shadow of a doubt...so I ask myself: Is this an imposed or self-imposed Identity factor.

To my knowledge there are (i) West-Slavs, (ii) East-Slavs, and (iii) South-Slavs...are these imposed or self-imposed Identity factors ???

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs first and foremost goes without saying, it's just that they are sub-divided into the Southern branch of Slavdoms tripartite configuration.

Now I ask: Is it right for a Slavic people to be Rubbishing their Greek neighbours on the basis, they seek to take a Greek-Hellenic name for their New Slavic country, and by extension, go further by using that Greek name to describe their Nationality, language and ethnicity.

It's not right...is it!

How can it be right for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be denying their Slavic roots and ethno-origins, in essence discarding their Slavic-heritage and Slavic Identity factors for the more cool Macedonian Identity.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs first Identity is: (i) Slavic, then (ii) Southern-Slavic, then (iii) Serbians or Bulgarians.

The Macedonian group of Southern-Slavs is a recent phenomenon. It occured during the communist years of the old-Yugoslavia when the Croatian-Slav, Marshal Tito created a language and a Socialist Republic called Macedonian and Macedonia respectively, and housed them both within the confines of a Federated Yugoslavia...pending future use!

That future use is now...in the present. FYRoM gained it's Independance in 1991 on the back of the break-up and disintegration of Yugoslavia. FYRoM's Independance was an Independance like no other.

FYRoM just appeared onto the world stage and proclaimed itself a Nation of Macedonians on the basis their Socialist Republic was called Macedonia and their language Macedonian.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were never told that the original Macedonians were Greeks.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs. They are Greeks from Macedonia or to be more precise, from the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these and somebody should tell them that in no uncertain terms.
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The more one delves into FYRoM's actual Identity, the more one realises that they are just as Slavic as the Serbians but moreso of the Bulgarians...for Serbians and Bulgarians are kith and kin, blood related to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs where whole families are bonded together by name and by generaion. To say that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Slavs would be considered as being a tad mischieveous and rather naive, it is their first Identity, their God-given, birth-Identity.

FYRoM's Identity would be Slavic first, Southern-Slavic second, and Serb or Bulgar third!

So how did they aquire a Macedonian-Identity ?

Slavists, from since the establishment [1878] of the Bulgarian Exarchate seeded the minds of the common peoples to think of themselves as Macedonians, an Indoctrination tactic passed on to Yugoslavia where in 1944, Slavist phillogists created a so called Macedonian language from the fusion of the Serbian and Bulgarian languages, properly called Serbo-Bulgarian but inappropriately misnamed to Macedonian language.

In 1945, the Croat Marshal Tito created a 6th Autonomous Socialist Republic which he called Macedonia. It complimented his decision a year earlier to create a Macedonian language for the new Republic he was setting-up.

The more one delves into FYRoM's Identity...the more one realizes Slavists took an executive decision to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs in order to challenge Greece for the stealthy removal of Greek Macedonian territory, in order to place it into the Slavic camp.

I say to those shameless Slavists...Macedonia remains Greek, come Hell or High Water!
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You messed everything up Bulgarians have the oldest calender in world northern slavic south slavic omg.

Why goddes Bastet return to her born place in Bulgaria today where you lost thracians.
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Here is an Interesting observation:

1...Serbians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Vardaskans, after the Banovina Vardar, the old name for South-Serbia.

2...Bulgarians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after themselves. Bulgarians do not distinguish them, they see them as Bulgarians.

3...Albanians call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, after Bulgarians proper. Albanians see them as an extension of the Bulgarian peoples.

4...Vlachs call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Virgari meaning Bulgarians. Vlachs see them as an extension of the Bulgar peoples.

5...Greeks call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bulgarians, like proper Bulgarians. Greeks know Bulgarians. Greeks have watched Bulgarians from when they first settled into the Byzantine Empire [6th Cebtury AD] untill now!

6...Gypsies call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Bugari, a corruption of the Bulgarian term.

7...Turks, Turkistanis and Turko-Cypriots call FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...Macedonians!

Spot the odd-man out!

Interesting observation...right!

FYRoM's neighbours know them as Bulgarians...even in FYRoM itself, the smaller ethnic-minorities know them as Bulgarians also. Interesting to note, it is only the Turkics that call them Macedonian.

To spite the Greeks, right!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842



People that also live in Yunanistan(Greece):

Arvanites, Vlachs, Pomaks, Macedonians. Ponthics, Turks, Meglenite, Aromanian, Armenians...

All not enlisted in census lists.Why?

[link to www.joshuaproject.net]



Look in your yard first.Or are you one off those "golden yawn" racists pigs?
 Quoting: Macedonian 16666222

Pomaks are christians they converted to islam after turks invasion. Vlahs is south Romanians probably.
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Census data unambiguously shows that FYRoM, at various times during the past was inhabited by Bulgarians, Serbs, jewish people, Greeks, Albanians, and others. The fact that no 19th Century census data, from a wide variety of sources, from many nations using different data gathering methodologies recorded any one-single group of peoples self-determining as "ethnic-Macedonian." The history of the construction of a Macedonian national identity does not begin with Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C. or with Saints Cyril and Methodius in the 9th Century A.D. as Macedonian nationalist historians often claim...It begins in 1870 with the establishment of a Bulgarian Exarchate, created to segregate the common peoples of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula into their alotted ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations. Slavic speakers were deemed to be Bulgarian Slavs, so on this basis, coerced and cojoled into the Bulgarian Exarchate camp.

Imperialist Tzarist Russia was soley responsible for resurrecting the oldest known, legitimate Slavic [entity] presence in the Balkans. Slavic Interests were to be channelled through the newly revived Bulgarian State to compete with the Greek-Hellenic Interest in the region.

FYRoM is a by-product, victims of that Slavic Interest in the Balkans which seeks to extend Slavdom to the shores of the Aegean sea and beyond. That Slavists attempted to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs should be viewed within the framework of Slavic expansion southwards to the Aegean which necessitated the stealthy removal of Macedonia away from the Greeks in order to place it into the Slavic camp.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs...the more FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs press the point of their ethno-genesis story, from Southern-Slavs to "ethnic-Macedonians,"
the more one realizes just how brainwashed and Indoctrinated
they have become.
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The Byzantine poet John Tzetzes, ridiculing the ignorance of some of his contemporaries who were not aware that the Vardar term was the new Bulgarian name for the River Axios, wrote a satire on this subject.

"But the Peonians (Panonians) are Bulgars! Do not believe fools who tell you that Peonians are different people. Those fools think that Axios is different from Vardar." (IBI, t. XXII, 104).

For Tzetzes knew that the Bulgars came to the shores of Lake Ohrid from Panonia, called Peonia by medieval Greek authors, and that these new settlers renamed the Axios River to Vardar River.

But how exactly, did the new names of (i) Ohrid, and (ii) Vardar, come into being, and why was it the Bulgarians who brought them to the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

There are indications that these names originated somewhere North-East from Persia, from the Pamir and Hindukush where the term "Var" means mighty or powerful and where rivers bear the suffix Dar or "Darya" for example: Amu Darya, Sur Darya, Surhan Darya, etc. Therefore, the name Vardar migrated with the old-Bulgars to the Haemus. It was derived from their own (Turkic) language and Tzetzes was correct when he scorned those who were not aware of its Bulgarian origins.

The meaning the old-Bulgars put into this Var-Darya name, in their language meant 'Powerful River, Heroic River'.

Var = Mighty Heroic Powerful or similar. Darya = River. Vardarya = Vadar River

Vardar is the Bulgarian term which ultimately replaced the original Axios term with the coming of the Bulgarians to the Lake Ohrid region.

By Introducing other Theories Ideas and Conjectures does not take-away or put on-hold, the John Tzetzes assertion that the Vardar name replaced the Axios name with the coming of the old-Bulgarians to Lake Ohrid.

The Paeonian region was known to scholars as the place which settled the Bulgarians...to the point where Bulgarian names and toponyms eventually replaced the Greek originals.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs use those Bulgarian names and toponyms but call them Macedonian!

Like I said before: FYRoM's first Identity is Slavic. FYRoM's second Identity is Southern-Slavic. FYRoM's third Identity is more Bulgarian than Serbian...evidenced in the writings of that Byzantine poet John Tzetzes.

FYRoM's fourth Identity they would have us believe is "ethnic-Macedonians," but after Three previous counts of
Slavic-Identity...their fourth dimension Identity dilutes into something meaningless!
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Is it true.....Alexander the Great was not Macedonian Greek
but Slavik from Slavdoms SouthSlavic collective of peoples.
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i so that research myself. It is truth. I have seen even place where he lived. It came to be near Danube. Water was on that place after many times going up and down since Danube was changing his what....route, with diff. seasons.
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If Alexander was here now, he'd laugh at all this idiocy. Being born within certain illusory lines is not what makes you "Greek". It was your philosophy about material reality and the constant striving for perfection in all things. Anyone can be a "Greek", just like anyone (even some born within those same cherished illusory lines) can be a "barbarian". Alexander wouldn't give a shit about FYROM or the modern Greek government.
 Quoting: Mr Poopra


[bold]Alexander was a proud Macedonian[/bold]

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