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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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Cousins???

Lol.You are so funny!!!

Reality check Nick: They are your MASTERS!

You tend to relate to your masters as family and that can be also viewed as psychological category of your behavior, Running away from reality mode, which is what you basically always do with your frenetically way of repeating same shit over and over again. Almost like in a voodoo ritual!

But that's not gonna change single fact that exist in real world and that is that Macedonians exist today as nation different from Greeks.
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Yes, Cousins on the basis...we are all Byzantiums children.
Europe is a family of Nations connected together through that Byzantine channel.

Masters ? really. Greeks are free people, if we felt ourselves to be enslaved to Germans, we would take-up arms to free ourselves...just as we have always done in the past.

Repetition is for your benefit. You need to hear the basic elements which distinguish you, and differentiate you from Macedonia and Macedonians respectively.

Your New Slavic country is Not Macedonia. Your New country sits on ancient-Paeonian lands in the South and ancient-Dardanian lands to the North...there is Nothing of real Macedonia there.

The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon has always been Greek and the latin-Romans recognized that fact by keeping it seperate and Greek, by calling it Macedonia-Prima.

You base your whole Identity on just two simple factors (i) Language Name, and (ii) Country Name...both of which dubiously named to Macedonia for political purposes, once by the latin-Romans and twice by a Croatian South-Slav called Marshall Tito.

The place where FYRoM is situated right now is not real or proper Macedonia, it just carries the name on the basis the latin-Romans renamed Paeonia and Dardania to Macedonia II Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia or the advantageous-beneficial Macedonia when they added those regions to proper Macedonia for political administrative reasons.

You cannot claim an ancient and archaic, regional-tribal Greek-Hellenic name for your New Slavic Country, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity...Greeks wont let You!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Ignorantly blatantly refuse to believe that the first Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic people. They base their whole Identity on an aquired name....Millenia after it was first used by Greeks.

They evolved into the people they are today...this is how they explain their ethno-genesis. They evolved to become Macedonians when evolution dictates that the first Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, and they evolved into modern-Greek speaking Hellenic people, so
when did evolution cater for two of the same ?

The answer ofcourse is: They are Not the same!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians...at least, Not in the Greek sense of that word. They Ignorantly blatantly refuse to accept, that the first original Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. In their history books, they omit the words Greek or Hellenic, replacing them with just the Macedonian word, and associating that word with Slavdom.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia. Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs! FYRoM's teaching academies omit these facts from their teaching materials, like they omit to teach the latin-Romans extended the Macedonian name to cover Paeonia and Dardania...Ignorance on this part of history has been fatal for the FYRoM side, it has led to their demise on the basis, they are only now learning about Macedonian georgraphy through the ages.

The Romans recognized and acknowledged Macedonia-Prima as the real Macedonia, the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon. The rest, I mean the extended-enlarged added-on parts, the
Romans called Macedonia II Salutaris as a means of differentiating Greek-Macedonia from the added-on parts.

Greeks have no real Interest in those added-on parts because those parts were not part of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs base their whole Identity on the name of a Roman administrative district which was never part of real or proper Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom. Coupled with the fact that a Croatian South-Slav, Marshall Tito created a so called Macedonian language from a Serbo-Bulgarian concoction in 1944, they believe validates their claims to a Macedonian Identity and puts their claims on an equal par equal with the Greek one.

They Ignorantly blatantly refuse to accept the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic people...and this is what riles the Greeks.
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06/05/2012 11:52 AM
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Well first you got to clarify one thing - Greece is owned by the Queen and Greece is for centuries run by one same Royal family.

,,,as much as it want to appear as independents, its Greece is a colony.

so Nick, you moron... try first to take back your own country then talk about Macedonia.
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Well first you got to clarify one thing - Greece is owned by the Queen and Greece is for centuries run by one same Royal family.

,,,as much as it want to appear as independents, its Greece is a colony.

so Nick, you moron... try first to take back your own country then talk about Macedonia.
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Really! I never heard this one before!

What is Wrong with you Slavic guys ???

I heard 1001 Slavic Theories Ideas and Conjectures but I never heard this one before!

Which Queen dude ?

Are you suggesting the Queen of England owns Greece ?

Greek live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples, right!
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FYRoM is a New Slavic country in the Balkans which established itself only recently in 1991. FYRoM strives to build a Macedonian National-Identity on the basis: The name of their language is called Macedonian and the name of the land they reside on is called Republic of Macedonia. FYRoM seeks global recognition as an Independant sovereign state under that Macedonian name but for Greek objections.

Greece objects to FYRoM naming itself after an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name, on the basis: The first Macedonians were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples who have always been integral to the Greek world. Their name belongs in the Greek domain whilst their Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Greece strives to protect the Macedonian name from being used by a NoN-Greek peoples.

If Greece did not object to FYRoM using the Macedonian name for their New Slavic Country, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity...FYRoM would become a Nation of Slavic speaking Macedonians with perceived rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy, which Greece is trying to defend and protect in order to keep it Greek.

So there we have it: in the most simplistic of terms, FYRoM seeks to build a National-Identity based around the Macedonian name, whilst Greece seeks to protect it's National history and cultural heritage from being usurped by
a New Slavic country, recently established in the Balkans.

Question: Which is the most righteous ?
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FYRoM relies on revisionism and pseudo-history to
bolster it's claims to a Macedonian Identity rooted in classical antiquity. FYRoM also uses state sponsored propaganda to promote the case for the seperation between Greeks and Macedonians.

On this basis...FYRoM is the least righteous!

Greece, from the very beginning has held the moral high ground on the basis...the International academic-scholarly community support and endorse the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM disrespects the findings of this International body...citing Greece pays for their support.

To the question: Who is the most righteous Greece or FYRoM, I say Greece is the most righteous, on the basis, history like archeolgy is a science, the two compliment each other and both academic disciplines place the ancient-Macedonians in with the Greek collective of peoples.

In-fact, all the academic and scholarly discliplines place the ancient-Macedonians into the Greek Collective. They also place the Macedonian name into the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity to Greek heritage...with an endorsement like this, it would be wise for FYRoM should re-evaluate it's claim to a Macedonian Identity it has no real or earthly connection to.
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What is very clear is this: FYRoM cannot build a National Identity based on an aquired name millenia after it was first used by Greeks. This is the best explanation for them.

FYRoM is being inconsiderate towards the concerns of Greece and disrespectful towards classicist scholars who staked their whole prefessional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman history.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM cannot use an ancient-archaic Greek regional-tribal name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity because all of these Identity factors do not bode well for South-Slavs.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...FYRoM is only now, learning this long established academic reference point.
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The more Hellenic Themed Statues FYRoM erects, the further along it travels towards the Re-Hellenization path.

The more Streets and Boulevards FYRoM names after Hellenic hero's, the more Hellenic the country becomes. The more FYRoM builds in the Hellenic architecture style, the more Hellenic it becomes...in looks and in feel the country lurches towards Hellenism by stealth.

But all is not as it seems in FYRoM. The Re-Hellenization lobby is directly challenged by the Re-Bulgarization lobby, evidenced in the way Bulgarian Themed Statues get erected next to the Hellenic ones...where Street names and Boulevard names get named after Bulgarian hero's.

There are two main forces at work in FYRoM, both compete and vye for supremecy in the political sphere. FYRoM gets pulled and pushed, this way and that way...to go Hellenic or to go Bulgar and this is evidenced visually in what we see there, and audibly, in what we hear there.

The problem for FYRoM is this: The end result, having two opposing forces recklessly driving through their seperate agendas in the country, has had a corrosive effect where one side always rubbishes the actions of the other side.

The Re-Hellenization lobby get rubbished by the Bulgar-Slavists who work to lure FYRoM back into the Bulgarian camp...The Re-Bulgarization lobby get rubbished by Surreptitious-Grcomans who work to lure FYRoM into the Hellenic sphere of influence.

FYRoM is now in a grey area, where it is seen as being neither fully-Bulgarian nor fully-Hellenic in it's outward-leanings...but a mixture of both, and this situation is very confusing to the outside world.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should be encouraged to release themselves from the shackles of Bulgarian-Slavdom. They should also be encouraged to seek-out their Hellenic roots and ethno-origins, and return back to the fold!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...on this basis, FYRoM should release itself from the shackles of Slavdom and seek to find it's Greek-Hellenic roots.
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With Bulgaria issuing Bulgarian-Passports to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs, the ones ofcourse that could prove Bulgarian heritage...kind of makes a Mockery out of FYRoM's claims to being a Nation peopled by Macedonians that espouse to having Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians for their ancestors.

With approximately 70 Thousand Bulgarian-Passports issued thus far, the figure may rise to reach 300,000 in just a short space of time...leaving FYRoM in the precarious position of having 20% of it's so called Macedonian population declare themselves Bulgarian with papers to prove it.

The Bulgarian camp in FYRoM competes with the surreptitious-Grcoman camp, both camps vye for supremecy to win the hearts and minds of the common peoples...who see themselves as Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

When things get pushed too far towards the Hellenic side...the Bulgarian camp pulls FYRoM back to the Bulgarian side, and visa-versa. This has been going-on in FYRoM from since it gained it's Independence in the most dubious and Indeterminate way possible.

FYRoM's Identity is based on the name of their language and on the name of the land on which they reside on, but even here, things remain dubious and Indeterminate on the basis: Their language is 5 letters short from proper Bulgarian when Slavist philologists baptized it Macedonian language in the autumn of 1944. The lands FYRoM sits on today are properly called Paeonia and Dardania by their ancient names, but Slavists in the Communist era Yugoslavia named those lands The Soacialist Republic of Macedonia.

There are Bulgarians in FYRoM that know they hail from Bulgarian stock...they want to call themselves Macedonians in the geographic sense, to cement the fact that Bulgarians have been living in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula next to Greeks for nigh-on 1,400 years.

There are Serbians in FYRoM that know they hail from Serbian stock...they want to call themselves Macedonians in the geographic sense to cement the fact that Serbians have been living in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula next to Greeks for nigh-on 1,400 years.

The Slavic peoples of FYRoM hail from Serbo-Bulgarian stock, that fact, is reflected in their language, in their manner and in their traditions. They are the Southern-most Slavs to the Greco-Roman world, and as such were Influenced by it...deeply.

That FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarians have developed feelings and collective memories for ancient-Greeks has more to do with their Slavist based education than actual historical or archaelogically based evidence. So they are Macedonians regionally and geographically but from Slavic heritage...the closest Slavs to Greeks, I can see that, but they are not Macedonians in the Greek sense of that word and they should see that, without the Greeks having to point it out to them.

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. That Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia is a fact of history, proven by archaelogy...both disciplines compliment each other.

To prove their attachment to Macedonia...the Slavs of FYRoM resorted to a dirty war, a propaganda war to seperate modern-Greeks from ancient-Greeks, and to seperate Macedonians from both. FYRoM alienated Greece and made a whole Nation of Hellenes their enemy.

Two John Smiths could live in peace, next door to each-other, but if one John Smith decides to usurp the Identity of the other one...that would be called Identity theft.

Greeks can live in peace, next door to Slav-Macedonians on the basic principles of good neighbourly relations and on the basis of mutual respect for the others ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic presence in the Haemus peninsula, the homeland of the Greeks from since Millenia.
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It is a clear choice...the Hellenic path or the Bulgarian Path. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs need to decide which path to take, it's as simple as that! Where they are at the moment, in a grey area somewhere between Hellenism and Slavdom is outwardly confusing and problematic. The mix and match approach, confusing Bulgarian elements in with the Hellenic original is raising eyebrows across the learned world.

FYRoM's Macedonian Identity includes a mismatch of Slavic elements with the Hellenic originals. FYRoM's Slavic heritage clashes with the Hellenic heritage of the original Macedonians.

The conflict between FYRoM's modern Slavic character and the Hellenic character of the original Macedonians cannot be consolidated utilizing revisionism alone.

To erect Hellenic themed statues next to Bulgarian themed statues in Skopje...is a clear indication of a loss of direction. Steering a midway course in order to accomodate both Slavic themed street architecture alongside Hellenic themed ones, has had a theatrical effect turning FYRoM's capital city into a Greco-Slavic Theme Park.

Statues of ancient-Greek Kings plinthed alongside medieval Bulgarian Kings is an awkward and vain attempt to blur the distinction between Greeks and Bulgarians...the confusion though, is entirely Internal, restricted only to the inhabitants of FYRoM. Nowhere in the outside learned world do they confuse medieval Bulgarian Kings having some kind of fraternal relationship with their ancient-Greek counterparts.

FYRoM's confusion stems from the need to build a National Identity based on an aquired name...Centuries after it was first used by Greeks.

The Macedonian name was spawned from the Greek-Hellenic language...FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarian language is a misnamed mismatch to the Greek original. Calling a Serbo-Bulgarian language "Macedonian" is another awkward and vain attempt of FYRoM's Nation building efforts to confuse Bulgarian elements with the Greek originals.

This mix and match approach serves only to confuse, and that confusion is internal, entirely restricted to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs. They are the only ones who see themselves as Slavic speaking Macedonians with roots stemming back to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Clearly a decision needs to be made, and FYRoM should be encouraged to make it. FYRoM needs to Re-Hellenize or Re-Bulgarize!

Steering a midway course somewhere between Hellenism and Slavdom benefits only the revisionsist pseudo-historians. They have done enough damage to Greco-Slavic relations. The choice is clear...FYRoM should be encouraged to take the Hellenic Path or the Bulgarian Path, the choice is theirs to make!
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How primitive can the Serbians and Bulgarians of FYRoM be, in wanting to change the demographic in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula...to forcibily make Serbo-Bulgarians Macedonians, when it is known, Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom.

How primitive does it appear to the outside world watching Southern-Slavic people deny themselves their proper Slavic heritage for a Hellenic one!

How primitive...to deny the existence of the Greeks in order to validate a Slavic origin for the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks live next to primitive Turkic and Slavic peoples who between them, appear hell-bent in wanting to change the demographic in the Haemus peninsula...a region of the world known to have spawned Hellenism.

The host-culture in the Haemus is Hellenic...give it some space and some respect!
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It takes a brave Slav to stand-up in front of world audiance and proclaim himself Macedonian...a direct descendent of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

It takes a brave Slav to do that! So FYRoM is full of brave Slavs, Serbians and Bulgarians proclaiming themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, National sense, and cultural-linguistic sense.

The problem for FYRoM is this: Macedonians have always been Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...so how did we get to this stage, how did we get to a stage where Southern-Slavs think of themselves as Macedonians and think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. Slavist schools in the old-Yugoslavia churned out generations of Indoctrinated Slavs, brainwashed them beyond repair to think of Alexander the Great as Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

We shall continue to protect our Hellenic cultural-heritage from the likes of Indoctrinated ex-Yugoslavs...we shall give them Nothing they dont deserve!
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...in the ancient-Kingdom!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs in their first-Identity, then Southern-Slavs in their second-Identity, then Serbians or Bulgarians in their third-Identity...

...they get to be Macedonians in their fourth-Identity, and then, only in the secondary-sense, in the Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris sense of the word, courtesy of the latin-Romans renaming the added-on parts of ancient-Paeonia and ancient-Dardania to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, which the Romans kept seperate and Greek and called it Macedonia-Prima.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians...only in the 4th Dimension! Distanced by four dimensions!

Think about that!
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Macedonians are the Greeks of Northern-Greece!

Like the Spartans, they were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Slavists attempted to seperate the Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks...citing, they spoke Macedonian, a different language from Greek ?

Those shameless shameless Slavists eh!

Like saying the Spartans spoke the Spartan-language and the Corinthians spoke the Corinthian-language and the Athenians spoke the Athenian-language...whereas, in-fact, they all spoke the Greek-Hellenic language in their own unique dialect.

We need to remember that those shameless Slavists added 5 Serbian letters to the Bulgarian language and Christened it Macedonian-language, in the autumn of 1944 during the war-time Communist years in the old-Yugoslavia.

Absolutely Shameless, right!

Now we have a large number of their victims, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs walking the streets believing they speak Macedonian...the language of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Those shameless Slavists created a Macedonian-language from Serbian and Bulgarian when it's proper name should be Serbo-Bulgarian, because like Serbo-Croatian is spoken by Serbs and Croats...Serbo-Bulgarian is spoken by Serbs and Bulgarians.

Those shameless Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia created a Macedonian Socialist Republic in 1945, just one year after creating a Macedonian-language...as though they were working from a blue-print, to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs.

Shameless...absolutley shameless, right!
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It doesn't need me to state the obvious: Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, in the ancient-Kingdom.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have tried to get the outside world to accept them as the only Macedonians who descend from Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...unsuccessfully!

The only possible way a Southern-Slav could call himself Macedonian in the genuine sense of the word, would be, if he/she hailed from Greek-Hellenic stock...Slavic speakers today, but from Greek-Hellenic heritage!

It doesn't need me to state the obvious: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...Not Southern-Slavs.

Those Slavic speaking Macedonians in FYRoM who feel Macedonian in the genuine sense of the word, must recognize and acknowledge that they hail from ancient-Greeks.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have run the end of their course and taken us to the brink...they have expired all the options which seek to place them onto the world-stage and into the International arena as a Nation peopled by NoN-Greek Macedonians.

To be Macedonian, one needs to be Greek or partially-Greek, or hail from Greeks and have Greek heritage...at least!

It is decision time for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs and the Slavic countries should encourage them to make the right decision based on established archaelogical and historical priciples.

The Turkic elements and the Slavic elements in FYRoM are stifling the efforts of the genuine Slavic speaking Macedonians to find their Greek-Hellenic roots and ethno-origins.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...

...Those Turkic elements and those Slavic elements in FYRoM should respect that!
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With each passing day, FYRoM's future plunges further and further down the list of Importance. FYRoM, in the scheme of things, has been relegated down to the level of insignificance. There are many problems in Europe that need urgent attention, far more important problems to be dealing with, than listening to the gripes of FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula that attempts to bind together, a disprate and discordant population under one unifying National-Identity.

The problem for FYRoM is this: FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity based on an aquired name, millenia after it was first used by Greeks.

Macedonians are the Greeks from Northern-Greece...they cannot possibly be Slavs, Southern-Slavs or ex-Yugoslavs.

With each passing day...FYRoM slips and slides further and further down the list of importance, right down to the insignificant level!
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The Macedonian name has been passed on, from one Greek generation to the next...from since before antiquity!

How inconsiderate is it, for the Slavs of FYRoM to entirely keep this small but significant detail from their children pupils and students. Slavic children must be told...the Macedonian name belongs to the Greeks, it belongs in the Greek domain because Greeks were the creators, the initiators of that name.

But who can own a Name ?

You know when a Name is Yours when you create it, when you use it, and when you pass it on to your children, the next generation.

The best Greek demonstration of Ownership over a Name is Theme-Macedonia.

You know when a Name is yours when you take it with You...When you plant that name in a place where it was never used before, Theme-Macedonia tells All!

Like Old-Europe took their unique Names, their European Names with them, to the New World. Everybody can distinguish
English place-names, French place-names, Dutch place-names and German place-names. Macedonia(n)...this name is a Greek regional-tribal name, used by Greeks from since Millenia!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia! The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity belongd to Greek heritage...NoN-Greeks cannot use this name to name their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity!

Why ?

Because Greeks Wont let them!

Long Live Hellas...Long Live the Greek-Hellenic peoples.
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Macedonian by definition is universally accepted and understood to be a native Indigenous Inhabitant of the geographic-region of ancient and/or modern-Macedonia.Todays Greeks fulfill both criteria. Todays Greeks are the Sole and Legal Modern Representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy. No other modern-people on this planet are closer to the ancient-Macedonians than todays Modern Greeks. The path of least resistance to the ancient-peoples of Macedon, flows through the modern-Greek path. Macedonians have always been Greek-Hellenic peoples, from the dawn of time until the present. This is an Academic Reference Point. No Serious Accredited Scholar could deny the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians without risking damaging his/her academic Integrity or credibility.

After more than two decades...global politicians have been fully briefed on the backround and historical use of the Macedonian name. Modern politicians are aware of it's Greek-Hellenic origins and attributes. FYRoM's politicians must appreciate and respect the Greek-Hellenic origins and attributes of that Name.

Global politicians are being polite when they say FYRoM must compromise...In diplomatic language, this means find a proper more suitable name. The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise in order to find a suitable more proper name for itself, a Name that will properly describe the country, it's people and their history...and most importantly, a name which will make all of it's peoples proud, this is what the Greeks have been asking for, this is what global politicians expect and this is what the world is waiting for!

FYRoM is in quarantine...kept at a distance, at arms length, confined to the fringes of Europe and those structures it says it aspires to join.
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Only Greeks have the divine right to use the Macedonian name in the Hellenic Collective sense of the word.

Macedonians are just one of >230 known, ancient-Greek groups tribes and Kingdoms which got together to collectively form the Hellenic tribes from antiquity.

Under this name did the Hellenes reach their azimuth!

Macedonians...Greeks to the Core!

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs use this name for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity, they are being inconsiderate to Greeks and disrespectful to the International scholarly-academic community.

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs use the Macedonian name in the ethnic and racial sense and cultural-linguistic sense, they
are humiliating Greeks in the full gaze of the International community.

Macedonians are Greeks...they have always been Greeks!

What madness, for a Slavic speaking people to be fooled into the belief they are Macedonians...taught in the Slavist Schools of the old-Yugoslavia to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Greeks are not acustomed to having a newly-established neighbouring peoples on their doorstep, ridicule them and humiliate them in such a wanton way, the way that FYRoM does day-in and day-out!

Only Greeks have the divine right to use the Macedonian name...a name that has been passed-on from one Greek generation to the next from since Millenia.

No other country on this planet would endure what the Greeks have endured for more than two-decades...Greeks reserve the right to defend and protect their Macedonian name from the improper misuse it has received these last two-decades.
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06/23/2012 07:47 AM
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It's not easy trying to persuade the outside world, and the academic community that the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM are actually native Macedonians in the autochthonous sense of the word, when all the evidence to date places them in with the Slavic Collective of peoples, their nearest and closest blood relatives being the Bulgarians and the Serbians. It is known, that the Bulgars and the Serbs are an exogenous peoples to the Haemus peninsula, their ancestral forebears settled the Greco-Roman world sometime during the Avaro-Hunnic and Slavo-Bulgarian Incursions of the 6th Century AD.

Modern genetic studies on the regional populations of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula has made known to us, those haplogroups which are considered to be native-originals from since the paleolithic era. Neolithic era modern-humans
not only brought their farming and agricultural practices to the Haemus, they brought their genetic signature with them also. From this amalgam, the earliest civilizations evolved.

The forming of the Hellenic-Tribes sees a collection of >230 known, ancient-Greek groups tribes and Kingdoms using a language and a culture, religious beliefs, common customs and traditions which led this fractious-collective to see themselves as one peoples, peoples of the same speech and of the same genus.

In genetic terms, the earliest Hellenic-Tribes carried an amalgam of Paleolithic and Neolithic genes unique to the Haemus peninsula. In addition to the Hellenic-Tribes, we have the Thracians and the Illyrians inhabiting the same peninsula. From these...Hellenes, Thracians and Illyrians spawn populations considered to be native and originals, Indigenous and autochthonous peoples of the Haemus.If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are derived from these, then they are brother peoples to the Greeks!

The host-culture...Hellenism became the culture of choice for those autochthonous peoples of the Haemus.

Note: The genes one carries today may not reflect faithfully, ones current National-feelings or Ethnic-pride!

For a Slavic speaking peoples to be carrying native and original, Indigenous and autochthonous genes, which are unique only to the Haemus...then they are Greeks, or partially-Greek or derived from Greeks.

Note: Hellenism is the still the host-culture of the Haemus!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs need to make a choice: (i) Re-Hellenize or (ii) Re-Bulgarize...the two No mix, it has to be one or the other!
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Ethnicity is a very dificult subject to discuss. Ethnicity and it's usage in todays modern and complicated world could be construed as being a manipulative process-concept.

Under the right conditions...Polish* children could be taught in English* schools to develop feelings and collective memories for ancient-Angles. Over time, say eight generations...the offspring of those Polish* children would think of themselves as English* men, and think of their ancestors as ancient-Angles.

* denotes a completely random selection!

In a closed-off society, utilizing strict authoritative conditions under a communist system, like the Tito regime which governed Yugoslavia during the War years, Slavist mind-architects came up with the Idea to make Macedonians out of Bulgarian and Serbian South-Slavs. In the Slavist schools of the old-Yugoslavia...Bulgarian speaking children were conditioned, manipulated to develop feelings and collective memories for ancient-Greeks. Alexander the Great became Aleksandar Velike, the first Czar of the Slavs.

Slavic children, namely Bulgarian and Serbian children were taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the progeny, the victims and a by-product of those failed Slavist attempts to make Macedonians out of Serbians and Bulgarians.

Modern-ethnicity is a very dificult subject to discuss, not the same as discussing ancient-ethnicity...where language was almost certainly the main Identity-factor.

In todays modern and complicated world, multiculturalism has instilled common feelings to a blend, to layers and layers of newcomer immigrants, who's ancestral forebears decided to settle in a place outside of their original ethnic and racial, cultural-linguistic beginnings.

So, these statements are true and factual...see here:

Ones ethnic-pride and national-feelings today...may not reflect faithfully, ones ethnic and racial, cultural and linguistic beginnings.

Coversely:

The genes one carries today... may not reflect faithfully, ones current national-feelings or ethnic-pride!

Think about this for a moment !

Depending on the circumstances and certain conditions:

Is it conceivable that a Greek could be harbouring Slavic ethnic-pride and national-feelings ?

Conversely:

Is it conceivable that a Slav could be harbouring Greek ethnic-pride and national feelings ?

I stand by this statement: The genes one carries today may not reflect faithfully, ones current National-feelings or Ethnic-pride!
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Dude you are so opssesed with this. Feel sorry for you...


Sad that you can't do jackshit for this to go in favour of your claims...

Just blabablabing of wet dreams. Crazy greek fantasies!
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1...Dude you are so opssesed with this. Feel sorry for you...

2...Sad that you can't do jackshit for this to go in favour of your claims...

3...Just blabablabing of wet dreams. Crazy greek fantasies!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18080707

1...Ok!
2...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!
3...Crazy is the South-Slav who calls his Serbo-Bulgarian language Makedonski, and himself Makedonci!


Hellenes Thracians and Illyrians...all of these native-elements live-on in the modern-Greek populations.

All of us in the Haemus carry ethnic and racial elements rooted to those native-original peoples of the peninsula.

All of us in the Haemus are fragmentary derived from them.

In the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula we are all Greeks...It's just that some of us are more Greek than others.

If you are rooted to those three Indigenous elements of the Haemus in any combination...I would happilly to call you my brother.

Re-Hellenization remains the only way of sharing in the history and heritage of the Greeks.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt or usurp an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name
for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is known...all of these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavic peoples.
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Without too many words...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

The difference is significant and substantial.

It is the difference between those who can quite legitimately claim Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians for their ancestors from those who cannot!

Note: FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity on the basis of an aquired name...Millenia after it was first used by Greeks.

FYRoM's aquired the Macedonian name courtesy of comrade Tito...a Croat, from the old-Yugoslavia during the War years in 1944.

Now we have generations of Slavic children raised in the belief they are Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great...only they call him Alexander Veliki, and they consider him to have been the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive Turkic and Slavic peoples who sincerely believe they can oust Hellenism, the host-culture from the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula in order to install their
own unique TurkoSlavic culture, in a region of the world known to have spawned the Hellenes.
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Without too many words...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!


Greeks live next to primitive Turkic and Slavic peoples who sincerely believe they can oust Hellenism, the host-culture from the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula in order to install their
own unique TurkoSlavic culture, in a region of the world known to have spawned the Hellenes.
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 12671085



That's why you live in UK?
Nick the Greek
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Greeks cannot permit the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM to adopt or usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for themselves. Greece is morally and legally obliged to keep the Macedonian name in the Greek domain.

Greeks cannot permit the South-Slavic peoples of FYRoM to
to apply themselves a Macedonian-Identity they have no real or earthly connections to.

Greeks cannot permit the Serbo-Bulgarian peoples of FYRoM to blur the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks.

Greeks shall do everything in their power to keep the Slavs of FYRoM from using the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Greeks shall do everything in their power to defend and protect their national-history and cultural-heritage from being rubbished from the likes of Turkic and Slavic pseudo-historians.

Greeks shall fight tooth and nail to keep the Macedonian name in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity to Greek heritage.

When Greeks say they shall defend and protect their historic rights...Bank on it!

We shall defend and protect what is ours...Come Hell or High Water!
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....says NIck the GREEK from UK

Give us a f*** break you idiot and mnd your own business.

If you care so much about Greece you'd be home making reforms not gastarbeitering abroad you loser.
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Before 1991 the history and heritage of the Greeks was never contested nor disputed...come 1991 when Yugoslavia beaks-up and spawns 6 new republics in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, our wetsern partners and European cousins decided to meddle in the Balkans.

The Germans and the Austrians backed Slovenia and Croatia...for these two South-Slavic states traditionally orbited a Pan-Germanic trajectory.

The Turks backed Bosnia and Kosovo for these two Balkan peoples traditionally orbited an Islamic Pan-Turkic trajectory!

The Russians backed Serbia and Montenegro for these two South-Slavic states traditionally orbited a Pan-Slavic trajectory!

The Greeks and the Bulgars...traditional enemies, foes from since the settlement of the proto-Bulgar tribes inside Imperial Byzantine soil, both sat and watched the Americans, I mean, the Bush administration back FYRoM as Macedonia.

Both Greeks and Bulgars sat idley-by and watched the Germans meddle, and the Turks meddle, and the Russians meddle, and the Americans meddle in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a place steeped in Greek history and a place where the host-culture is under attack from eradication to have been replaced by something not fully thought-out properly...but for Greek objections.
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What kind of a people deny the ancient-Macedonians Greekness
in order to replace that Greekness with something Slavic.

What kind of a people dispute and contest the Greekness of the ancient-Macedonians in order to deny modern-Greeks their historic rights!

What kind of a people rubbish Greek history in order to script themselves into the myths and legends of Hellas, not as Greeks but as a Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians.

What kind of a people teach their youth, their children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

What kind of a people willfully do these things in the full gaze of the International community and expect sympathy and support for their cause!

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who's sole ambition is to see the Haemus peninsula free from Greeks and Hellenism.

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who see themselves as the sole and legal modern representatives of the ancient-Trojans and ancient-Macedonians respectively.

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples, but that does not mean we should endure their utter contempt for all things Greek. We are native, we are original...they are foreign and they are exogenous, outsiders from the steppes of Asia, it is they who should show respect to the host-culture of the Haemus.

Long Live the Greek-Hellenic Peoples...Long Live Hellas!
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The Balkans is a funny place...things are not always what they seem. The Balkans is a powder keg, but the people are nice! and similar!

The Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is a place steeped in Greek history, it is where Hellenism was spawned, the primordial homelands of the Greeks...but who are the Greeks.

The Greeks are those who kept or adopted that [Greek] language and that [Hellenic] culture from the earliest-past to the present-future.

If Greeks were a genetic or biological entity, then the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is a Greek place.

The Greeks have left their genetic and biological mark in the form of a signature...a genetic footprint which is still discernible in all those places where the ancient-Greeks dwelt, from the Northern-Balkans to Crete and from Sicily and Southern-Italy to Western-Anatolia, that genetic
mix which formed the first Hellenic tribes is still detectable.

The Balkans is a funny place...things are not outwardly what they seem, but the peoples are nice if not similar.

1...The Greek name lives on in modern-Greeks, a mixed bunch who at least want to carry that name for their own ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic reasons.

2...The Bulgar name lives on in modern-Slavs, a mixed bunch
who at least want to carry that name for their own ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic reasons.

3...The Albanian name lives on in modern-Albanians, a mixed bunch who at least want to carry that name for their own ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic reasons.

4...The Serbian name lives on in the modern-Serbs, a mixed bunch who at least want to carry that name for their own ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic reasons.

5...The Turk name lives on in the modern-Turks, a mixed bunch who at least want to carry that name for their own ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic reasons.

The Balkans is a funny place...a mixed-up place, where the common denominator is the host-culture. Everyone in the Balkans knows, elements of those proto-Greeks, I mean, the first tribes which got together to collectively form the Hellenes still live-on in all of them...

...in the Balkans, we are all Greek, it's just that some of us are more Greek than others!

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