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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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Mention Macedonia nowadays and Greece comes to mind...this is because of what we know about Alexander the Great, the ancient-Greek King of Macedon. The ancient-Kingdom he once ruled over is almost entirely back in Greek hands but for just 9% of it which still remains unredeemed teritory.

Today though, the term "Macedonia" defines a much greater area, a more enlarged and extended geographic-region, courtesy of the Romans. FYRoM acquired the Macedonian name on the basis of that latin-Roman extension and enlargement, where they used the Macedonian name to cover Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands.

FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian lands in the South and ancient-Dardanian lands in the North...it has no right, either ancestral or historic, to usurp the Macedonian name
exclusively for itself!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs must be told promptly and directly, Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity on the basis of an acquired name...Millenia after it was first used by Greeks.
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Mention Macedonia nowadays and Greece comes to mind...this is because of what we know about Alexander the Great, the ancient-Greek King of Macedon. The ancient-Kingdom he once ruled over is almost entirely back in Greek hands but for just 9% of it which still remains unredeemed teritory.

Today though, the term "Macedonia" defines a much greater area, a more enlarged and extended geographic-region, courtesy of the Romans. FYRoM acquired the Macedonian name on the basis of that latin-Roman extension and enlargement, where they used the Macedonian name to cover Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands.

FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian lands in the South and ancient-Dardanian lands in the North...it has no right, either ancestral or historic, to usurp the Macedonian name
exclusively for itself!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs must be told promptly and directly, Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity on the basis of an acquired name...Millenia after it was first used by Greeks.
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your misunderstanding something, the Macedonians are Slavic in Original form, but the culture right now in Macedonia is GREEK, The Macedonians are following a Greek culture.
do you get it ?

it does not matter, South Slavic or Greek share the same blood in GOD we trust
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FYRoM systematically tramples on the National history of the Greeks with it's continued use of state-sponsored revisionism and pseudo-history. FYRoM tramples on the time-served traditions, the culture and the heritage of the Greeks with utter contempt, without even a second thought as to the severity of the crime the state of FYRoM is actually commiting. FYRoM seeks to eradicate the host-culture from the Haemus by bluring the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks. FYRoM seeks to
change the demographic in a region of the world steeped in Greek history. Native peoples like the ancient-Illyrians and Thracians adopted Hellenism for their own culture of choice, they Hellenized willingly and voluntarily and the peoples who helped them Hellenize were none other than the Macedonians.

Like the Achaians and the Ionians...the Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. FYRoM disputes their Greekness and contests the long established mainstream historical narrative as being Western driven historical propaganda directed against the Slavonic peoples, who see themselves as Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs or at least Slavic-speakers. This is an afront, a major disrespect to the Greeks, but not just the Greek.

FYRoM's attitudes towards the International academic community in general and Greek history in particular has earned it a reputation...a bad reputation where they are kept at arms length, at a distance until they learn to respect the history of the peninsula they reside on.
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Mention Macedonia nowadays and Greece comes to mind...this is because of what we know about Alexander the Great, the ancient-Greek King of Macedon. The ancient-Kingdom he once ruled over is almost entirely back in Greek hands but for just 9% of it which still remains unredeemed teritory.

Today though, the term "Macedonia" defines a much greater area, a more enlarged and extended geographic-region, courtesy of the Romans. FYRoM acquired the Macedonian name on the basis of that latin-Roman extension and enlargement, where they used the Macedonian name to cover Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands.

FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian lands in the South and ancient-Dardanian lands in the North...it has no right, either ancestral or historic, to usurp the Macedonian name
exclusively for itself!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs must be told promptly and directly, Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM cannot build a National-Identity on the basis of an acquired name...Millenia after it was first used by Greeks.
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 18692266


1...your misunderstanding something,
2...the Macedonians are Slavic in Original form,
3...but the culture right now in Macedonia is GREEK,
4...The Macedonians are following a Greek culture.
5...do you get it ?

6...it does not matter, South Slavic or Greek share the same blood
7...in GOD we trust
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1...Really ?
2...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!
3...Macedonian culture has always been Greek-Hellenic.
4...They have always done that, right from the start!
5...Sure! Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom.

6...Greeks and South-Slavs share many things, not least a Byzantine Greco-Slavic culture dating back to the Baptism of the first Slavic tribes into Greek-Orthodox Christendom, who's ways, culture and traditions are still apparent even today.

7...Amen brother!
Nick the Greek
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Actually, FYRoM was never a part of Alexander the Greats ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon...the Macedonian-name was simply applied to an extended and enlarged latin-Roman administered geographic-region, centuries after Alexanders death.

The Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM have no right to use that Greek-Hellenic name to describe their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to use a Greek-Hellenic name to describe themselves ethnically and racially, culturally and linguistically, when in reality they have no real or earthly connections to the ancient-lands where Alexander the Great was born...and that is a fact.

It's not enough for the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM to base their much covetted Macedonian-Identity on an acquired name centuries after it was first used by the Greeks.

Just because a bunch of exogenous nomadic wanderers trekked on Imperial Greco-Roman soil and decided to settle in the Byzantine Eastern-Roman Empire at the top-end of the 6th Centuty AD, where they set-up camp pitched their tents, piss on the grass and called it home...does not make them Macedonians.

It's not enough for the Slavs of FYRoM to base their Identity on an acquired name...speacially as that name was acquired long after it was first used by the Greeks.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia. FYRoM should show some respect to the peoples that still use that ancient and archaic, regional-tribal Greek-Hellenic name. Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Go tell the ex-Yugoslavs of FYRoM!
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Macedonians...as if a people could be any more Greek than them. They proudly exported Hellenism to the far reaches of the ancient-world taking their [Greek] language and [Hellenic] culture with them. If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were to do what they did for Hellenism, modern-Greeks would accept them as a brother-peoples or a sister-nation. But in
reality, the reality of it is this: FYRoM is not Hellenic friendly, instead FYRoM is an anti-Hellenic country.

Hellenism for FYRoM is a loaded word and Greeks for them are not real Greeks but a creation of the West...created to cheat them, the Slavonic peoples of the Balkans from their true history and real heritage.

FYRoM exists on the basis Macedonians were an ancient-Slavonic peoples, native and Indigenous to the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula. FYRoM's state sponsored propaganda propogate an ethno-genesys story for them based on the twin alters of revisionism and pseudo-history.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians...at least, Not in the Greek sense of that word. Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

As if a people could be any more Greek than them Macedonians
eh!

Wherever they went they left their calling-card, in every city they visited, built or renamed...carved deep into the bedrock and foundatrion stones, they told us about their Greekness in ways which are still apparent even today!

Can FYRoM's brainwashed and Indoctrinated ex-Yugoslavs really be permitted to Rubbish This!
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Seriously, could a people be any more Greek than the Macedonians ?

Macedonians are the Greeks who's ancestral forebears spread Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world...could a people be any more Greek than them ?

Slavists from FYRoM Rubbish this part of our Greek-Hellenic heritage...but to their detriment only, because now, they are seen as being envious hateful and spiteful of Greeks.

Slavists from FYRoM brainwashed and Indoctrinated their own Slavic children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, so they do exactly what they were conditioned to do...they think of Alexander the Great as Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

They consider the ancient-Macedonians to be their own ancestral forebears...but to their detriment only!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Could a people be any more Greek than them...Macedonians!
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Seriously, could a people be any more Greek than the Macedonians ?

Macedonians are the Greeks who's ancestral forebears spread Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world...could a people be any more Greek than them ?

Slavists from FYRoM Rubbish this part of our Greek-Hellenic heritage...but to their detriment only, because now, they are seen as being envious hateful and spiteful of Greeks.

Slavists from FYRoM brainwashed and Indoctrinated their own Slavic children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, so they do exactly what they were conditioned to do...they think of Alexander the Great as Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

They consider the ancient-Macedonians to be their own ancestral forebears...but to their detriment only!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Could a people be any more Greek than them...Macedonians!
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The question that should be asked is this: Could the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM have chosen a proper more suitable name to describe themselves, their country, their nationality, language and ethnicity.

The answer ofcourse is YES, they could have!

The reason they, FYRoM's South-Slavs, opted to use the Macedonia(n) Greek-Hellenic name to describe themselves ethnically and racially, culturally and linguistically, had more to do with historic rivalries, and here I mean Greco-Bulgarian rivalries, where the Hellenic Interests in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula were seen to be incompatible with the Slavic Interests, so it began, the great Greco-Slavic schism, competing to win the hearts and minds of the simple-minded and the simple-hearted common peoples of the Balkans in order to keep them in the Patriarchate camp and stop them from converting to the Bulgarian Exarchate camp.

Imperial Tzarist Russia was the sole benefactor in the revival of the modern-Bulgarian Nation State. The Russians resurrected Bulgaria in order to legitimize a Slavic presence in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

That Slavdom had to resort to a Turkic name, to legitimize a Slavic presence in the Balkans is rather telling in itself. Slavic Interests in the Haemus peninsula were to be channelled through Bulgaria...the oldest-known, legitimate Slavic entity in the region in order to put into check, the Hellenic Interests in the region.

Hence, began the great Greco-Slavic schism over Macedonia.

Slavdom initiated a campaign to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs and they almost succeeded but for Greek Objections...

...the rest is history!
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Of all the peoples in the Haemus...none exhibited their Greekness more than the Macedonians!

Could a people be any more Greek than the Macedonians...No, I am being serious ?

FYRoM followed a self-defeating path resembling a self-fullfilling prophecy...they knew full-well, from the start and the very beginning that they could not possibly win the historical debate but still elected to go down this path.

Self-defeating, Self-fulling prophecy...right!

FYRoM's Slavist-orientated revisionist rogue-scholars and their pseuso-historians decided to go head to head, not just with the Greeks over some Identity issues from ancient-Greek history, but with the International academic community claiming Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians for their own Slavic speaking ancestral forebears...

...something which is nigh-on impossible on the basis, the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, just one of >230 ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms, peoples of the same speech and of the same genous who got together to collectively form the Hellenic tribes of antiquity.

I say again: could a people be any more Greek than the Macedonians!

FYRoM's Slavist-orientated revisionist rogue-scholars, pseudo-historians and specialist-propagandists fullfilled a Self-defeating, Self-fullfilling prophecy...

...They shot themselves in the foot each and every time they tried to persuade the outside world, that ancient-Macedonians were Not Greeks, when on each occasion it was proven they were!
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Macedonians are the Greeks...Northern-Greeks from Macedonia. The Greeks that have always lived in the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to use that name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

They apply that name to describe themselves, ethnically and racially, culturally and linguistically...when it is all but given, well known, that all of those Identity factors are incompatible and do not bode well with Slavs.

FYRoM's Slavic speaking Macedonians apply that name to themselves on the basis of a Roman administered geographic-region...Macedonia Secunda Salutaris, this was Not the real nor the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon but an enlarged and extended region the latin-Romans called Second-Macedonia
or beneficial-Macedonia on the basis it was an add-on, an added-on part adjuncted to the real original Macedonia the Romans called Macedonia-Prima.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated revisionist pseudo-historians did not pay attention to the detail of those historical texts they were revising and rewriting, they missed the important and obvious parts professional historians have always known about.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were told Macedonia belongs to Slavdom but after 20 years of living a lie...FYRoM is no nearer usurping that Macedonian name or it's cultural heritage exclusively for themselves.
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The Hellenic tribes from antiquity were many...>230 ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms that we know much about.
Historian scholars of the classics, philologists and linguists alike recognize five principal dialectal groups, the Ionic, Aeolic, Arcadian-Cyprian, Doric, and North-west Greek, which they attribute directly to the principle Greek-Hellenic root-races from antiquity.

1...The Achaeans, a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples originating from South-Thessaly. The Achaeans invaded the islands of the Peloponnissus and Crete, Initiating the Mycenaean civilization that eventually dominated Greece from 1600 BC. Achaeans can trace their history back to the pre-historic proto-Hellenic tribes from the late 3rd Millennium BC. Achaeans were the inhabitants of the region of Achaea, a region in the north central part of the Peloponnissus.

2...The Dorians, a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples originating from the north-western mountainous regions of Epirus and Macedonia. The Dorians are best known for their invasion of mainland Greece which, along with the civil war at the end of the Mycenean period, led to the Greek Dark Ages. The Dorians were the most pugnacious people of the four Hellenic tribes. They originate from North-western Greece, Macedonia and Epirus. From there, they began to invade the south, into the center of mainland Greece, then to the Peloponnissus and the Aegean Islands.

3...The Aeolians, a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples originating from Thessaly. The Aeolians were considered to be descended from Aeolus [whose father Hellen was the mythological patriarch of all Hellenes]. Originating in Thessaly, they moved their location when the Dorians were attacking the Achaeans and then abandoned most of the Mycenaean territories. The Aeolians took over some of the abandoned territory and built few cities on islands near Asia Minor. They began building these cities well after the Mycenaeans were defeated, and gave rise to the Aeolian dialect of the Greek language.

4...The Ionians, a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples originating from the Peloponissus. The Ionians settled western Anatolia, Attica and other Greek territories directly following the Dorian immigration into mainland Greece. Militaristically, they were considered by the vast majority of Greek society [from 450 BC onward] to be soft in comparison to the Dorians. The Ionians ruled parts of Euboea, Attica, most of the islands of the Aegean Sea, as well as the western coast of Asia Minor. Many of its cities were instrumental in setting up trade routes with such places as the Black Sea. From a cultural perspective, the Ionians added a great deal to classical Greece.

Macedonians...Dorian-Greeks, just like the Spartans! It takes an Illiterate person to confuse them with FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs. Only hardened propagandsts or severely brainwashed Individuals equate Dorian-Greeks to the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM.
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It cannot be denied...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs. The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs in their first-Identity, Southern-Slavs in their second-Identity, Serbo-Bulgarians in their third-Identity and Macedonians in their fourth-Identity...

...Yes thats right, they get to be Macedonians but only in the Secondary sense, courtesy of the latin-Romans naming the lands FYRoM is situated on right now to Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris.

FYRoM's rogue-scholars, psueudo-historians and specialist-propagandists took something good like the classics and converted them into something Vulgar!

FYRoM must be encouraged to (i) admit, (ii) recognize and (iii) acknowledge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...and then apologize to the Greek-Hellenic peoples for Rubbishing their national history and cultural heritage in such a crude wanton and destructive manner.
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The Macedonian name, covetted so much by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs is threatening to make Greeks out of them, on the basis it just wont give it's Greek-Hellenic Identity. Macedonians ofcourse are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. FYRoM's Slavist-orientated rogue-scholars, psuedo-historians and specialist-propagandists, revised-rewrote the long established mainstream historical narrative to de-Hellenize Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity in order to make them Slavic. FYRoM's revisionists made them Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians who were Not Greek but different from Greeks in all of these aspects: (i) ethnically, (ii) racially, (iii) culturally and (iv) linguistically, but on each of these Identity factors the Greekness of the Macedonians shines through...unstoppable, that is why the Macedonian name is threatening to make Greeks out of them.

On ethnicity...If the measure of ethnicity was in feelings or a consciousness type of thing, then the ancient-Macedonians were a fanatic Greek-Hellenic people because they told so, in ways which are still apparent even today.

On race...Racially, the ancient-Macedonians were a branch of the Dorians, just one of the four principle Hellenic root races who, together with the Achaeans, Aeolians and Ionians collectively formed the ancient-Hellenic tribes from antiquity. Macedonians like the Spartans were Dorian-Greeks.

On culture...The material-culture of the ancient-Macedonians was no different from that of the rest of the Greeks. All of those cultural-elements that were unique to Greeks, the ancient-Macedonians subscribed to, and Identified with.

On Language...The ancient-Macedonians spoke Macedonian, a Centum language and a Northeastern dialect of an ethnic Greek-Hellenic language that was spoken in antiquity by numerous >230 ancient-Greek groups tribes and Kingdoms...peoples of the same speech and of the same genous.

Slavists Rubbished the Greeks and their National history in order to make South-Slavic people Macedonian. They created a country for them, a language for them and a brand-new ancient-history for them...brand-new, as in never before read, or known about before 1991. After 1991 when FYRoM came into existence, they wanted recognition to name their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity to Macedonian. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians, at least, Not in the Greek sense of that word...they do Not live on proper Macedonian soil and they do not speak Macedonian, instead, they live on ancient-Paeonian and Dardanian soil and speak a Satem language properly called Serbo-Bulgarian rather than the Macedonian name Slavist philologists so mischievously and inappropriately christened it.

FYRoM, it's backers, sponsors, supporters and benefactors all of them, set-out to damage the Greeks, to damage the Greek National-character, to denigrate Hellenism, to Rubbish Greek-history and to question humiliate and ridicule modern-Greek connections back to their ancestral forebears.

Looking back...who got damaged the most, Greeks or Slavs ?

Greeks were attacked 24/7 on their geneology, anthropology,
skin-colour, race, ethnicity, religion, culture, language and traditions...quite in depth too. Someone did their homework, worked overtime to really damage the modern-Greeks, but in the end, what did it really achieve for them. The Greeks just shoved it back in their faces.FYRoM's backers, sponsors, supporters and benefacters have all come to realize that the Macedonian name does not want to lose it's Greekness...No matter how hard they have tried to seperate Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks, their Greekness just cannot be erased or eradicated it just keeps on shining through.

I say again:The Macedonian name FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs covet so much is threatening to make Greeks out of them!
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He was black. Herodotus called him the black skinned king. Lol just kidding sorry
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They tried to make Macedonians Slavic, but the Greekness of the Macedonians just keeps on shining through...unstopable!

So what happened to FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity ?

There has been enough damage inflicted on both sides. Both Greeks and Slavs have suffered enough in respect to the long running name dispute fiasco between FYRoM and Greece over the correct and proper use of the Macedonian name.

I say, go tell the Slavs of FYRoM...They cannot take one of our ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names to describe themselves, their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity and expect the Greeks to support them in that silly venture!

I say, stop the Silliness right Now and chose a proper more suitable name to describe a newly emergent peoples wishing to establish themselves and their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity in a region of the world steeped in Greek history.

The Haemus peninsula is the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples...>230 known, ancient-Greek groups tribes and Kingdoms bound together by common speech and by common genous. Macedonians are Dorian-Greeks just like the Spartans, these peoples are fanatic Greeks, passionate about their Greekness.

It is quite evident, even to the casual observer that the Macedonian name does not want to give-up it's Greekness!

This must be said: Greeks shall defend and Greeks shall protect what is theirs, their historic rights and cultural heritage...Come Hell or High Water!
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Macedonians ofcourse were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...like the Spartans, they were Dorian-Greeks, passionate about their Greekness! To want to make them Slavic as in Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians, is rather Silly when everything that is known about them places Macedonians into the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples.

For a long time now, Slavists have played around with the Macedonian name in order to make it Slavic but the Macedonian name does not want to make the shift-over into the Satem-Slavic domain on the basis it was not spawned from the Indo-European Satem group of languages, instead it was spawned from the Centum group of PIE languages. Every attempt to move it, or to shift it over into the Slavic camp, or to change any of it's Greek-Hellenic characteristics just fell on deaf ears. Every single attempt to eradicate it's Greekness just failed and failed miserably.

Obviously then, the Macedonian name wants to stay Greek...wants to stay in the Centum-Greek domain, that much is evident.

For all their scheming and plotting, to make Macedonia a Slavic name...The Greekness of the Macedonian name just keeps on shining through...unstopable!

FYRoM's Slavists made the Greeks their enemy but not just the Greeks, they also made the International academic
community their enemy also...for they devoted their whole professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman classicist history only to have a small Slavic country dispute and disprespect their academic credentials.
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Macedonians, just like the Spartans, can trace their ethno-genesys story back to the Iron-age Dorian-Greeks...the ones who ousted the Myceneans dominant hold over the Hellenic world.

Dorians, just like the Achaeans, Aeolians and Ionians constituted Hellenisms root races. From them, the Hellenic collective of peoples formed, spawning >230 known, ancient-Greek groups tribes and Kingdoms who's myths and legends we know so much about.

We know much about the ancient-Greeks through the works of historian scholars who devoted their whole lives and professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman classicist history. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Rubbish them and disrespect their findings.

FYRoM's Slavists tried hard and fast to convert Macedonians, from Greek speaking Hellenic people into Slavic speakers and South-Slavic people, but their Greekness cannot be eradicated or erased, it just keeps on shining through!

Every single time Slavists attempted to de-Hellenize Macedonians just ended in failure because Macedonians are Greeks and the Macedonian-name shall stay in the Greek domain.

I say to FYRoM's Slavists...Now is the time to give-up on Macedonism, an Ideology initiated in the darkest crevasses of the Slavist mind!
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Ah, wet dreams of deluded greek mind!
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Only in the Slavist-mind do they equate Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity with the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM.

Slavists deny the Greek-Hellenic peoples their rightfull history in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...their primordial homelands!

Only in the Slavist-mind do they equate ancient-Macedonians to the proto-Slavic peoples who conquered the City-States of ancient-Greece.

Slavists deny Macedonians their Greekness on the basis, they
were Not Greeks but Slavic-speaking proto-Slavic peoples.

Only in the sick and twisted minds of those Slavist revisionist pseudo-historians, do they equate Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

It takes a brave Slav to stand-up and point the finger at their own Mind-Architects to expose them...for it was from them, Slavdoms own Mind-Architects that we have the problem of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs posing as Macedonians.

It takes a brave Slav to stand-up and admit, that Alexander the Great was the Greek-King of Macedon...that Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Greeks live next to primitive, Indoctrinated, brainwashed
peoples, right on their doorstep...Greeks have right to protect themselves, right!
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FYRoM is Isolated more now, than at any time during it's short existence as an Independent nation-state.

I reiterate: FYRoM is Isolated more now, than ever before!

Macedonism is an Ideology that was first initiated by the Slavists...whether Imperial or Pan, Communist or Free-Marketeer, it mattered little. Macedonia for them meant Slavdom gets access to the Aegean-Sea and beyond.

Slavist revisionist pseudo-historians wrote FYRoM a history that was so cude and so crass, it catapulted the Slavic race back to a time in antiquity when Macedonians were not Greeks but Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians.

They made Alexander the Great, Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs and challenged the Greeks over their historic rights.

Macedonism for the Slavs has been a disaster...colateral damage has ensured that the Balkans in the eyes of Europe and beyond remains an unstable, volatile place, not worthy of investment.

To the followers of Macedonism I say...give it up Now!

This Ideology has run it's unnatural course and is waiting to be put down.
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The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in the long running name dispute with Greece over the correct use of the Macedonian name.FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to use that name to describe themselves, their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity. Greece refuses to recognize FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs as ethnic-racial Macedonians. Greece also refuses to recognize them as cultural-linguistic Macedonians on the basis, Macedonians have always been Greeks. Greece cannot permit FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country to adopt or usurp the Macedonian-name on the basis, Greece is legally and morally obliged to defend and protect the Greek peoples National-history and cultural-heritage.

The way in which FYRoM disputes the Greekness of the Macedonians and the way in which it contests the long established mainstream historical narrative has earned FYRoM a reputation, a bad reputation for harbouring bad-feelings and nurturing hostile intentions towards a neighbouring country. Greece has repeatedly cautioned FYRoM over the improper-use of it's state apparatus to promote ill-feelings between neighbours. FYRoM is on record as having used propaganda against Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples to further it's cause. Those actions were duly noted, both inside Europe and in the US.

For FYRoM to gain acceptance in Europe, in NATO and elsewhere...FYRoM must compromize in the long running name dispute with Greece over the improper use of the Macedonian name, this is the general consenus amongst the EU, UN, USA and NATO.

Macedonism as an Ideology is a spent Ideology, long-expired, exhausted from running the course over and over again, until even the Slavists that invented it get sickened at the sight of Slavic children rejecting their Slavic heritage for the fictitious one they created for them. FYRoM became the victims and a by-product of Slavdoms Mind-Architects...Slavists, who saw virtue in making Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs.
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Nobody in the geo-strategic analysis sector ever imagined that the break-up of old-Yugoslavia would have produced the kind of demographic change we are witnessing today from the spawning of 7 new Republics in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnian-Croatian Federation. Montenegro, Serbo-Croatian Federation, Kosovo and FYRoM.

From one (defunct) Yugoslavia we now have 7 new Republics!

Each of these new-states attempt to take-up their rightfull place in the region, doing their best to validate and establish their presence by scripting themselves National histories which recorded the arrival and settlement of their earliest ancestral forebears...It is their name they carry, and it is their name which adorns their lands.

In the case of Slovenia, the Slavic element is evident in their name...their earliest ancestral forebears were Slavs and their National history reflects that.

In the case of FYRoM, the Slavic element is denied...they opted to go for the Macedonian name to describe themselves, their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Both peoples were integral to the old-Yugoslav federation, both of them South-Slavic peoples in name and in substance, one of them Slavic by name and the other one...Greek by name!

Nobody ever imagined, the break-up of Yugoslavia would see South-Slavs attempt to change the demographics of the Balkans.

Macedonia is a Greek name...spawned from the Hellenic language. To apply that name to a South-Slavic peoples is wrong. It becomes a bigger wrong when the same South-Slavic peoples go further by attempting to usurp the history and cultural heritage associated with that name.

FYRoM's South-Slavic peoples should do exactly what the Slovenes do...sign themselves off as Slavs, in name and in country!
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After more than 20 years of specialist on-line education, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are learning for the very first time, they are not the Macedonians they thought they were. They learned on-line that the Roman name for FYRoM was Macedonia Secunda...which meant Second-Macedonia because it had nothing to do with the original-Macedonia. The Romans named the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon to Macedonia-Prima which meant the first-Macedonia as opposed to FYRoM's Second-Macedonia. Learning on-line has benefitted some of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...they learned that they are Not Macedonians, at least, Not in the Greek sense of that word.

Greeks had to do something, otherwise it meant Greeks had to live next to primitive severely-brainwashed and severely Indoctrinated peoples that were bred for purpose to denigrate Hellenism and humiliate modern-Greeks. Greeks could not have a situation where lowly educated primitive peoples were being primed for purpose to change the demographic in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula. Greeks could never permit primitive peoples to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for themselves, their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity! Greeks cannot do those things and they should not be expected to do those things. What the Greeks can do is this:

Greeks can defend and protect their National history and cultural heritage from the likes of those primitive, brainwashed and Indoctrinated ex-Yugoslavs from FYRoM.

The Macedonian name wants to stay Greek! The Greekness of the Macedonian name cannot be erased nor eradicated...The Greekness of the Macedonian name just keeps on shining through!
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The message is clear: Macedonia stays Greek. Macedonia shall never relinquish it's Greekness. This is the message the EU, UN, USA, NATO and the International academic community are sending out to the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM.

Greece has made it abundantly clear: Macedonia shall never give-up it's Greekness in order to appease an ex-Yugoslav population Indoctrinated on historical revisionism and pseudo-history.

Macedonians are Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

FYRoM's revisionist rogue-scholars, pseudo-historians and specialist-propagandists raised a generation of South-Slavic children, pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Shame...because they see the Greeks as those who are trying to cheat them from their real true history and heritage. FYRoM's children were never taught that the Greeks are native-originals to the Haemus, Indigenous peoples, autochthonous peoples of those lands.

Slavists taught them a different history...a pseudo-version which made Slavic speakers native to the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, where ancient-Macedonians spoke Slavic and Alexander the Great became Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks cannot live next to these people!

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom!

When Greeks say: Macedonia shall stay Greek, they really do mean that!

Macedonia wants to stay Greek...This message is very clear, crystal clear!
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Those who attempt to seperate Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks are doing so based an Ideology of expansion, to see Slavdom get access to the Agean Sea and beyond, but they are on a hiding to nothing. A major tenet of Macedonism...an Ideology first initiated by Slavist mind-architects seeks to do exactly that, but after repeated failures Slavdom needs to reset it's position regarding it's relationship towards Greece.

Slavists...whether Imperialists or Pan, Communists or Free-Marketeers in Ideology, subscribed to Macedonism.

Ideologically speaking, Macedonism was the constant, it remained embedded in the Slavist-mind during the Tzarist-Imperialist era, embedded during the Pan-Slavism era, embedded during the Communist era and embedded till now, in modern-times, in the Free-Markert era...Macedonism as an Ideology is the single-most, constant, common-denominator which governed Slavist attitudes towards Greeks and Greece.

FYRoM is the final result of that expansionist-Ideology!

Macedonism in FYRoM erects gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's!

Macedonism in FYRoM renames streets and boulevards, roads and highways to ancient-Greek names!

Macedonism in FYRoM renames airports, sports arenas and high profile venues to ancient-Greek names!

Macedonism in FYRoM corrupts and distorts the long established mainstream historical narrative to something based on Slavist revisionism and pseudo-history!
Macedonism in FYRoM is based on expansionism. The Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM see the Northern-Greek region of Macedonia as their land. They consider Greeks to be foreigners in their own primordial homelands.

Macedonism is dangerous in the wrong hands...under strict authoritarian regimes!

Greeks lost Macedonia through conquest at various intervals during the past...Never Again.

Macedonia is back in Greek hands (through conquest) once more, and Greeks aim to keep it...Come Hell or High Water!
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The people of FYRoM are thoroughly nice people...a tad gullible, but nice people nevertheless. Not their fault they were conditioned to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

It's easy for people with minor historical knowledge to come to such conclusions.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are nice people, simple-minded and simple-hearted but nice people nevertheless. Not one of them ever stopped to think that Alexander the Great did not speak their Serbo-Bulgarian language. Their language they call Makedonski which transliterates to Macedonian. They think Alkexander the Great spoke Makedonski during antiquity, quaint, right!

Although it could be argued that much of the population of FYRoM may be Identified as Slavic, and many of them may be described ethnically as Bulgarians, they still see themselves as Macedonians, and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

There are historic reasons and moral reasons for Greece to continue with the defense and protection of it's National history and cultural heritage. FYRoM has stretched Macedonism, as far as it can be stretched, time to let it go Now!

Macedonism for FYRoM has been a disaster!

Nobody with a basic standard of education sees FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs as Macedonians...this is the tragedy of it!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are seen as Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs...thoroughly nice people, and thats all!

Macedonians have always been Greeks...and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom, a small but significant detail FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should not Ignore!
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What is Macedonism...It is a Slavist based Ideology that attempts to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs for expansionist reasons. Those reasons can be traced back the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate. Slavists wanted Macedonia
in the Slavic camp in order to get access to the Aegean Sea. Greeks resisted because:

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! A small detail but a significant one!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom. Another small detail, but a very significant one nevertheless!

Slavists kept this Information from FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs in order to bolster their belief in Macedonism...an Ideology based on expansion during the Imperialist-Tzarist era but an Ideology which managed to migrate over into the Pan-Slavism era, and then on to the Communist era until now, in the Free-Market modern-era we have Macedonism in FYRoM.

A new Slavic country that wants to use an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for Slavic people, their new Slavic-country, their nationality language and ethnicity...this is Macedonism in all of it's glory!

Eventually, it is believed they could take from the Greeks not just the name but the ancient-lands of Macedonia!

Greeks resist...Fiercely!

We No permit South-Slavs to take our Name...thats all!
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What is Macedonism...It is a Slavist based Ideology that attempts to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs for expansionist reasons. Those reasons can be traced back the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate. Slavists wanted Macedonia
in the Slavic camp in order to get access to the Aegean Sea. Greeks resisted because:

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! A small detail but a significant one!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom. Another small detail, but a very significant one nevertheless!

Slavists kept this Information from FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs in order to bolster their belief in Macedonism...an Ideology based on expansion during the Imperialist-Tzarist era but an Ideology which managed to migrate over into the Pan-Slavism era, and then on to the Communist era until now, in the Free-Market modern-era we have Macedonism in FYRoM.

A new Slavic country that wants to use an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for Slavic people, their new Slavic-country, their nationality language and ethnicity...this is Macedonism in all of it's glory!

Eventually, it is believed they could take from the Greeks not just the name but the ancient-lands of Macedonia!

Greeks resist...Fiercely!

We No permit South-Slavs to take our Name...thats all!
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The rights of FYRoM's Slavic speakers to Identify as Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, infringe on the rights of Greeks
because Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!
FYRoM's right to an Identity cannot ride roughshod over the rights of Greeks and FYRoM's rights do not supercede the historic rights of the Hellenic Republic. Greece has moral and legal right to defend and protect it's National history and cultural heritage....Macedonism in FYRoM just died a death, right!

Macedonism in FYRoM has been a disaster...It has earned the fledgling country a bad reputation Internationally because
on the global stage FYRoM is seen as a South-Slavic country
populated with peoples understood to be blood related to Bulgarians and Serbians respectively. The fledgling country's own-ethnic minorities know them Bugari and Servi and so do their neighbours. I say again: Macedonism in FYRoM has been a disaster.

Nobody sees them as Macedonians...as in Alexander the Great
type Macedonians.

Everybody sees them as South-Slavs belonging to the Slavic collective of peoples!

Nobody equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to the Macedonians of old.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people and FYRoM trying to change that demographic has been quite a total disaster for them.

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