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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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[link to en.wikipedia.org] See the list of famous Macedonists...they do not really exist. It is all a deception, a Lie!

The names highlighted in blue, just six of them are a sham! the only real live Makedonist is Victor Friedman, the guy FYRoM sponsored through university!

See the list of some famous Macedonists:

Ala Sheshken...Russia
Andre Bayan....France
Andre Mazon....France
Hanry Boisen...France
Valentina Nestor...Albania
Victor Friedman...USA
Vladislav Ilich Svitich...Russia
Wlodzimierz Pianka...Poland
Wolf Oschlies.....Germany
Gizela Baer.......Germany
Gizela Havranek...Germany
Goran Kalodera....Croatia
Dalibor Brozovi...Bosnia and Herzegovina
Elena Verizhnikova...Russia
Zoran Konstantinovic...Serbia
Zuzanna Topolinska.....Poland
Ivan Dorovski...Czech Republic
Yumi Nakajima...Japan
Kazimierz Feleszko...Poland
Christina Kramer.....Canada
Krste Petkov Misirkov...Bulgaria*
Dina Stanisheva...Bulgaria*
Liu Yaru...PRC
Magdolna Hasz...Hungary
Nataliya Boronikova...Russia
Nulo Minisi...Italy
Petar Draganov...Russia
Peter Hil...Germany
Radomir Ivanovic...Serbia
Rejinald de Brey...Australia
Rina Usikova...Russia
Samuil Borosovich Bernstein...Russia
Frantisek Waclaw Mares...Czech Republic
Horace Lunt...USA

They do not really exist...it is all a deception, a lie!

Slavist Makedonists Serbianized the Bulgarian language by seeding it with 5 Serbian letters in the autumn of 1944 and then went on to mischieviously and inappropriately Christen it Macedonian language, when it's proper name should be Serbo-Bulgarian because like Serbo-Croatian is spoken by Serbs and Croats so to, Serbo-Bulgarian is spoken by Serbs and Bulgarians.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
The Evidence is Overwhelming!

FYRoM's Slavist Makedonists continue to lie to their own Children Pupils and Students who have been raised in the belief they are Macedonians because (i) they speak Macedonian and (ii) live in Macedonia, neither of which is true...because they actually speak Serbo-Bulgarian and actually live in Paeonia and Dardania.

Deception and Lies...two ingrediants which form the staple diet that nourishes FYRoM's revisionist pseudo-historical narrative!
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A Makedonist can be described as a devout follower of Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology first developed during the imperialist Tzarist era during the upheavals of last decades of the 19th Century. A Makedonist is also a person who dedicated his professional carear on the dissemination of a recently developed South-Slavic language misnamed to Macedonian language.

Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia seeded the Bulgarian language with 5 Serbian letters and proceeded to name it Macedonian language in the autumn of 1944 when it's proper name should be Serbo-Bulgarian language instead of Macedonian language.

Slavist philologists and linguists from the old-Yugoslavia developed a new Slavic language in order to compliment their decision to create a new Slavic country inside a Yugoslav federation which they named Socialist Republic of Macedonia a year later in 1945.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Makedonism and Makedonists attempt to legitimize the Macedonian language by
creating the illusion that it is a natural ethnic-language originating from the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

The list of famous Makedonists in the link above is a deception...a lie! They do not really exist but for the ones itemized in blue, and those are either Canadian-Slavs from Toronto or friends of Victor Freidman, the one and only famous Makedonist, who had his university tuition paid for by the once Yugoslav authorities.

FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarian language misnamed to Macedonian language, reached it's azimuth in 2009 when it was quickly realized that it's development was nurtured under dubious circumstances associated with Slavist revisionist pseudo-historians following an outdated expansionist Slavist Ideology who's beginnings can be traced back to the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate.
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FYRoM exists, not through the self-determination of its own peoples who would rather revert back to their Serbian and Bulgarian roots, but for the political designs of an ages old Slavist doctrine...Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology which would have been more suited to the Imperialist era of the late 19th Century but which managed to migrate from the Imperialist era, to the Pan-Slavism era, and from the Pan-Slavism era to the Communist era, and from the Communist era to the modern era, Capitalism, the free-market era.

FYRoM would not exist but for those Slavists who demand it.

This alone, explains why FYRoM will always remain an anomaly...a political and economic failure!

Natural law dictates that only Natural things can survive in nature...unnatural things perish for want of nourishment and sustenance and for FYRoM these are (i) Deceptions and (ii) Lies, two ingrediants which form the staple diet that nourishes FYRoM's revisionism and pseudo-historical narrative!

In the natural order of things...Macedonians are Greek speaking Hellenic peoples but FYRoM's Slavists attempt to alter nature by wanting to change them from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs, in essence, this is changing the natural order of things and the demographics of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.
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Why argue over things which are best left untouched!

Why argue when we could be friends brothers and sisters...good neighbours to say the least.

Why argue over the historical narrative when the mainstream overides those unproven and dubious Theories Ideas and Conjectures.

Why argue over the ownership of the Macedonian name when proof of ownership was demonstrated a long time ago, when the Greco-Roman Byzantine authorities shifted the Macedonian name...lock, stock and barrel from it's original location over to a completely different location in Thrace. Theme-Macedonia tells all!

Why argue over historical things, things which should never be disturbed on the basis they are best left to Greek cultural heritage irrespective of who represents them now in the modern age.

Why argue!

Before 1991 there were No Greek statues in Skopje and the streets, boulevards and highways had Slavic names showing the way...Why alter the demographic Now!

Makedonism in the wrong hands is dangerous!

Makedonists...whether Imperialist, Pan-Slavist, Communist or Capitalist free-marketeer in Ideology attempt to alter the demographics of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

Macedonians say No, Macedonia wants to stay Greek. The Macedonian name shall stay in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity to Greek heritage irrespective of who represents then now in the modern age.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Here is a List of Macedonist writers: notable Macedonist historians, philosophers, scientists, laboratory specialists, authors, and writers who were born in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or just published in standard - dialectal Macedonian.

Listed under S

Risto Sanev
Ana Sapkaliska
Elizabeta Seleva
Viktor Sekerovski
Petar Sirilov
Aco Sopov
Vladimir Sopov
Evgenija Suplinova
Bosko Smakoski
Zivko Stefanovski
Risto Stefov

Many are listed...even Risto Stefov alias Chris Stefou, but did they actually give their consent ???

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Most are actually untraceable using standard search engines
like they No want to be found!

Most of these so called Macedonian historians, philosophers, scientists, laboratory specialists, authors, and writers are not really Macedonians but Serbians or Bulgarians or naturalized Canadians or Australians...something fishy with the names on that list!
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Here is a List of Macedonist writers: notable Macedonist historians, philosophers, scientists, laboratory specialists, authors, and writers who were born in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or just published in standard - dialectal Macedonian.

Listed under S

Risto Sanev
Ana Sapkaliska
Elizabeta Seleva
Viktor Sekerovski
Petar Sirilov
Aco Sopov
Vladimir Sopov
Evgenija Suplinova
Bosko Smakoski
Zivko Stefanovski
Risto Stefov

Many are listed...even Risto Stefov alias Chris Stefou, but did they actually give their consent ???

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Most are actually untraceable using standard search engines
like they No want to be found!

Most of these so called Macedonian historians, philosophers, scientists, laboratory specialists, authors, and writers are not really Macedonians but Serbians or Bulgarians or naturalized Canadians or Australians...something fishy with the names on that list!
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Damn dude. You follow so closely every single detail. Only now when Greece is out of EU, nobody will need to ask you anything. Now you can focus on your own problem, which are certainly not Macedonia. Politicans have distracted you sufficiently so you don't look what's going on in your own country.

Go home Nick and spend time worrying about what your mom will have for lunch.
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Damn dude. You follow so closely every single detail. Only now when Greece is out of EU, nobody will need to ask you anything. Now you can focus on your own problem, which are certainly not Macedonia. Politicans have distracted you sufficiently so you don't look what's going on in your own country.

Go home Nick and spend time worrying about what your mom will have for lunch.
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It stops in an Instant...at a stroke, the moment you guys admit, recognize and ackowledge that Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Admit to this and our problem is solved!

The economic problems in Greece are also solvable. Europe is in a phase of tighter Integration...Greece is having to make adjustments in order to Integrate into the new Europe.

Greece had a [[economic][structural]] plan for the Balkans...but those plans had to be shelved pending a more favourable climate between the neighbouring states of the Haemus.

Trade and commerce shall have to waite until the region stabilizes.
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Greeks cannot accept FYRoM, a new country inhabited by a newly emergent South-Slavic peoples Identifying themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial, cultural-linguistic sense when the demographic and historical record places the Macedonians into the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples.

Greeks cannot permit FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to adopt or usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is all but given, those Identity factors do not bode well with the Slavonic peoples.

Greeks can accept FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs as Macedonians, but only in the geographic sense...Macedonia today is a regional
geographic term, meaning, more than one country incorporates a piece of greater Macedonian teritory within their current modern national-boundaries.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain, it should not be disturbed from that setting in order to satisfy FYRoM's yearning to excercize it's self determination right.

Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...it should not be disturbed from that setting in order to satisfy FYRoM's want, to acquire it for country, nationality, language and ethnic use.

Makedonism in FYRoM has revulsed not just the Greeks, but the International community at large.

Makedonism in FYRoM has gone as far as it can go...things are looking out of place and the people there have started to question the virtues of placing gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's in places where they never set foot.
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We get it. You hate people from f.y.r.o.m. I don't blame you for being mad because its obvious alexander was greek. You greeks should invade fyrom.
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yeah, go Greece invade Macedonia. (same as Macedonia invaded you in the past)
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Trade and commerce shall have to waite until the region stabilizes.
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Seriously? You mean, never?
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1...We get it.
2...You hate people from f.y.r.o.m.
3...I don't blame you for being mad because its obvious alexander was greek.
4...You greeks should invade fyrom.
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1...Ok!
2...No!
3...Ok!
4...No!

It's a matter of education...Greeks cannot have on their doorstep, a brainwashed South-Slavic peoples Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology who's beginnings can be traced back to the Imperialist Tzarist era and the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate.

Education...It's a matter of education!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they are exactly what it says on the tin...Yugoslavs meaning South-Slavs!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit that he No speak Macedonian but Serbo-Bulgarian!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit the he No live in Macedonia but Paeonia and Dardania!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit these things, that he has been living a lie!

I No hate them, I wish to educated them on the mainstream history of the peninsula they reside on, in order to befriend them as a neighbour...their native-original, Indigenous and autochthonous Neighbour.
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Things look odd and out of place in FYRoM...If you look closely, you shall see Greek things in close proximity to Bulgarian things and Abanian things in close proximity to Turkish things which makes the country appear typically Balkanic to the discerning visitor.

The Central Balkan Republic would have been a fine name for FYRoM to have made it's debut onto the world stage but instead...FYRoM opted to go for the Macedonian name.

FYRoM entered onto the world stage as Republic of Macedonia when there is nothing Macedonian there, kick starting-off a
an argument with Greece over human-rights issues and claims of inheritance to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

Greece closed it's borders to the new fledgling country and recognized it only as FYRoM...the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, pending resolution to a name dispute which still continues until today.

FYRoM failed to get the recognition it thinks it deserves and also failed to get into the western-worlds most prestigious economic and security structures of the EU and NATO.

FYRoM's aspirations remain unfulfilled!

After 21 years of it's short existence, FYRoM appears to have lost it's way...If it looks West, it is kept at arms length, at a distance, shoved-up a siding, If it looks East, FYRoM treads on egg-shells.

The Americans tried to involve themselves in the Balkans but gave it a miss...too messy and dangerous for them. The Russians try to involve themselves in the region by carving-out energy routes which eventually convert into strategic-partnerships. Turkey involves itself also, on the basis it has influence in the region.

When all things are considered...logic dictates that FYRoM's best Interests are best served making good with it's immediate neighbours rather than with far-off ones, but if FYRoM were to do this it would necessiate the loss of Makedonism, the Ideology which seeks to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively and every single element that is assocoiated with it, the history the heritage and the legacy.

There must be a way for Greece and FYRoM to resolve their differences...the two peoples have spent more than a generation apart and rapproachment shall take time to bear fruition.

The longer FYRoM is kept at arms length, at a distance from the European family...the more it becomes the norm.

It's time to resolve the name dispute...the time is now!
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The name dispute must end within the guidelines of two strict parameters...(i) the Macedonian name must stay in the Greek domain and (ii) the ancient-Macedonian Identity must stay clamped to Greek heritage.

Modern peoples wanting to use those ancient and archaic ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity factors, must at least attempt to show some affinity towards them.

Modern-Greeks do this by (i) speaking the same language as they did and (ii) living on the same turf as they did.

Nobody ever contested or disputed this issue until FYRoM entered onto the world stage in 1991 proclaiming themselves a nation of Macedonian speaking peoples from Macedonia.

When scrutinized, it was found that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not actually speak Macedonian. The language they actually speak is properly called Serbo-Bulgarian but Slavist philologists from the old-Yugoslavia misnamed it to Macedonian-language in the autumn of 1944 during WWII.

When scrutinized, it was found that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not actually live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The lands on which FYRoM sits on today were called ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands during antiquity, until the latin-Romans came to the region and altered the geography by adding those lands to an extended, more enlarged geographic-region they renamed to Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia or the added-on Macedonia, the Beneficial-Macedonia. Macedonia-Prima the Romans kept Greek and seperate from Macedonia-Secunda.

Because FYRoM's mind-architects raised generations of young Slavic children, pupils and students on Makedonism...a now outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology, we have a situation today where young Slavic children walk the streets thinking themselves Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. Alexander the Great for them becomes Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

Is it that simple: I mean, to alter the demographic composition of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Is it that simple: I mean, to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs.

Is it that simple: I mean, to Serbianize the Bulgarian language in 1944 by seeding it with 5 Serbian letters and then rename it to Macedonian-language.

Is it that simple: I mean, to rename the Vardar region of South-Serbia in 1945 to Socialist Republic of Macedonia.

Slavist Makedonists delibrately played around with the hearts and minds of their own Slavonic peoples...simple-minded and simple-hearted peoples, brainwashed them on Makedonist doctrine, Indoctrinated them with the Idea they are true Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Makedonism teaches young Slavic children to see the Greeks as not real Greeks but titular-Greeks, Greeks in name only, not in substance. Makedonism teaches young Slavic children Greeks were created by the West to cheat the Slavic race from it's real true history in the Haemus peninsula which they equate to the ancient-Macedonians.

Greeks live next to primitive, brainwashed South-Slavic peoples...Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an Ideology first started during the Imperialist Tzarist era with the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate. Makedonism seeks to alter the demographic of the Haemus peninsula by changing the racial composition of the Macedonians from ethnic-Greek to ethnic-Slav.

I say again...Is it that simple to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs.
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The ease in which it was initiated, and the ease in which it all happened behind closed doors in the old-Yugoslavia during WWII leads me to believe that it could all happen again...I mean, the renaming of a modern composite-hybrid existing language to an ancient and archaic language could easily happen again. The way in which Slavist philologists presented us with a brand-new mixed-hybrid South-Slavic language could happen again with say, the Thracian-language.

The ease with which a Serbo-Bulgarian language was simply renamed to Macedonian-language and then quickly established through-out Slavdom, the Slavic world as a bona-fide ethnic-language leads me to believe it could all happen again. It could easily be repeated with say, the ancient-Thracian language.

What is to stop these three countries Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey, each of them playing host to a piece of ancient-Thracian teritory from creating a seperatist group within their respective folds and Indoctrinating them with the belief they are Thracians, the modern descendants of the ancient-Thracians from antiquity. What is to stop Bulgaria,
Greece or Turkey from seperating one of their linguistic regional dialects and renaming it Thracian-language.

If Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey followed the Slavist formula,
the same formula Slavist-Makedonists used to creat a Macedonian language from Serbian and Bulgarian...then today, we would have another new country in the Balkans, the Republic of Thrace trying wanting to carve-out an existence for itself in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Absurd, right! but this is no different to the way FYRoM came into existence.
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom!

Slavist [FYRoM] Makedonists from the old-Yugoslavia seek to alter the demographic of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula by changing the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic composition of Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs...

...the fools that they are!

The best kept secret in the old-Yugoslavia was the Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Scores of Slavic children spanning many generations were never told that they were Greeks...that Macedonians were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Slavist Makedonist kept it a secret from their own children pupils and students...that is why it is very difficult now, for the Slavs of FYRoM to accept the reality that they are not the Macedonians they thought they were or were told they were.

I say again: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Ban Ki Moon knows that!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom...Mathew Nimitz knows that!

So, Time to End the Name Dispute!

Why argue over something which has been long established right through-out the academic-world!

That it was kept from the Slavonic peoples from the old-Yugoslavia is not the Greeks fault...rather, it is the fault of those revisionist Slavists and that Makedonist Ideology they devoutly follow.
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Greece objects to FYRoM using the name “Macedonia” for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity on the basis...those Identity factors do not bode well with Slavonic peoples. Greece makes the point that FYRoM's actions are opportunist in tone and in manner, arguing that they imply territorial and cultural-claims to the Northern-Greek region of the same name.

Bulgaria objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" for their new Slavic-language. Bulgaria contends that FYRoM's so called "Macedonian-language" is simply a western-dialect of the Bulgarian-language.

Serbia objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" for their new Christian Orthodox Church. The Serbian Orthodox Church does not recognize the separation of FYRoM's self-proclaimed Macedonian Orthodox Church.

Albania objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" to describe Albanians. Poor relations between FYRoM's Slavic majority and the ethnic-Albanian minority have raised doubts about the country’s long-term viability.

The Socialist Republic of Macedonia became such inside the confines of a communist-era Yugoslav federation in 1945. It gained Independence from since 1991 when the Yugoslav federation disintegrated and broke up. The country’s legitimacy have since been questioned at several levels.

Greece does not accept the existence of a Macedonian Nation peopled by Non-Greeks.

Bulgaria does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian-language spoken in FYRoM predominantly by Bulgarians.

Serbia does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian Christian-Orthodox Church...and neither does the rest of Orthodox Christendom.

Albania does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian country peopled by a South-Slavic majority but which cannot get into the EU and NATO under that name.

FYRoM sees it's immediate neighbours as the 4 Wolves...4 hungry Wolves out to rip FYRoM apart whilst Turkey, a far-off Islamic country is viewed as their saviour, the one who looks out for their wellbeing.

The Turkish connection irks Europe...they see FYRoM as Turkeys gigantic warehouse bang in the middle of the Balkans!
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As written above...Wet dreams of a deluded greek!!!

Greece had a chance to be real regional leader. But they choose ignorance, xenophobia, mistrust, lies to be their policy maker. So in the end greek nightmare will come true. Prepare for high tide from east. There is giant waking up. God help us all!


As for Macedonians from Republic of Macedonia... They will never accept a name that differs from MACEDONIA.

Either accept that or you can play blind putting your head in the sand whenever you counter us.
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1...As written above...Wet dreams of a deluded greek!!!

2...Greece had a chance to be real regional leader.

3...But they choose ignorance, xenophobia, mistrust, lies to be their policy maker.

4...So in the end greek nightmare will come true.

5...Prepare for high tide from east. There is giant waking up. God help us all!

6...As for Macedonians from Republic of Macedonia... They will never accept a name that differs from MACEDONIA.

7...Either accept that or you can play blind putting your head in the sand whenever you counter us.
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1...The delusion ofcourse is all yours...You are the one calling himself Macedonian when in reality, you are blood related to Serbians and Bulgarians. You even speak a composite of their language but have the audacity to call it Macedonian.

2...This is a lie. Greece never made overtures to become regional leader of an Impoverished place like the Balkans.

3...Our Slavic neighbours teamed-up with our Turkic neighbours ostensibly and seruptitiously to badmouth Greeks, rubbish Greek history and attempt to eradicate Hellenism, the host-culture of the Haemus from it's primordial homelands. Greeks became overly sensitized towards Turanid-Slavist based anti-Hellenic propaganda, xenophic and mistrustful of both.

4...
Our nightmare will be the Mother of all nightmares.

5...You mean Turkey! but it is your country that befriends them, and you do it in ways which the rest of the Balkans finds loathesome and repulsive.

6...Makedonski speaking Makedonci from Makedonija, there are various ways of saying the same thing! right!

7...Everytime we encounter you guys, you shall hear these words...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...every single demographic report and population census actioned under the auspices of the great powers during the upheavals of the late 19th Century confirm this statement to be true. Ottoman census data and population statistics do the same, but FYRoM's Slavist orientiated Makedonists continue in their work to alter the demographics of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by attempting to change Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs...but for Greek objections!

I say again: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs arbitrarily calling themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial, cultural and liguistic sense, flies in the face of the available evidence which places them into the Slavic collective of peoples...a completely different ethnic and racial group from the Macedonians who are ethnic-Greeks and always have been.

Makedonism in FYRoM has blured the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks...Slavist mind-architects teach young Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall continue to defend and protect their national history and cultural-heritage from the likes of FYRoM's Indoctrinated Youth.
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Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...only fools, simpletons and Makedonist Indoctrinated South-Slavs deny it, dispute it and contest it, in the face of massive quantities of accumulated Overwhelming evidence.

Only fools and severely brainwashed South-Slavs attempt to blur the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks.

Only hardened propagandists dare to equate Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity to the Slavonic race.

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...with credentials like this, only foolish simpletons Indoctrinated on Makedonism say otherwise, testament to the brainwashing skills of their Slavist teachers.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs using the Macedonian name to describe themselves, their country, their nationality language and ethnicity is problematic and confusing...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been using that regional-tribal name from since Millenia.

What rights do the Slavs of FYRoM have to rubbish this!

The right to self-determination does not transcend the rights of other peoples...FYRoM does not have right to usurp the Macedonian name on the basis it was never theirs to begin with.
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FYRoM's national history rests solely on the twin alters of historical-revisionism and pseudo-history...the former complimenting the latter and visa-versa.

Historical-revisionism: is an attempt to either legitimize the academic-scholarly re-examination of already existing mainstream-knowledge about a particular historical period or event...or just the wanton and illegitimate distortion of the mainstream-historical record, carried out in such a way that it makes certain events appear in a more or lesser favourable light.

Pseudo-history: is a term applied to the misinterpretations of historical-texts, or just texts in general which purport to be historical in nature but which depart from the standard mainstream-historical conventions in such a way that it undermines their conclusions. Pseudo-history is closely related to historical-revisionsm, works which purposely draw controversial conclusions from either new, speculative, or disputed historical evidence particularly in the fields of national, political, military, and religious-affairs are often rejected as pseudo-history.

Natural-law dictates that only natural things can survive in natures-world...unnatural things shall perish over time, on the basis, the nourishment and sustenance they need to survive decreases diminishes and depletes seriously, to the point of exhausting the abundance of supply...in FYRoM's case, the food-stuffs [[Historical-Revisionism][Pseudo-History]] which nourishes and sustains FYRoM's existence is in serious decline, to the point of exhaustion.
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FYRoM's national survival rests solely on the twin pillars of historical-revisionism and pseudo-history, foodstuffs
that nourish and sustain the fledgling country's national existence. Without those two unnatural but fundamental nation-building elements, FYRoM would simply cease to exist.

Fundamental to Makedonism...is the outright rejection of the long established mainstream historical record for the devout adherence to a Slavist based expansionist Ideology, first initiated during the lead-up and establishment of the
Bulgarian Exarchate in the last decades of the 19th Century.

To make Macedonians out of Serbians and Bulgarians, Slavists
had to develop the conditions for the Slavic usage of the term Macedonia(n)....they taught Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs to drop the local terms (i) Bulgar (ii) Vulgari, for the new way of Identifying themselves. Slavist schools, taught young Bulgarian speaking children to think of themselves as Macedonians.

From the Imperialist Tzarist era when Russia unilaterally agitated for Bulgarian Independence, Slavists, whether Pan or Imperialist in Ideology started to teach young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonians, but it was during the Communist Stalinist era that Makedonism gained inertia...those Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs had their Bulgarian-language Serbianized, and by the autumn of 1944, Tito the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia christened that hybrid Serbo-Bulgarian concoction to Macedonian-language.

Just one year later in 1945, that same Croatian dictator renamed the Vardar region of South-Serbia to Macedonia...he made a brand new Republic out of a South-Serbian province and so, the Socialist Republic of Macedonian came into being
as the 6th Autonomous Republic of Yugoslavia.

The Intelligence fraternity of the time following these events did equate these actions to Slavic exspansionist Ideas, pushing Slavdom southwards, towards Greece and Aegean sea...the rest is history, well documented history!

The point is, FYRoM cannot erase those recent historical events, calculated at the time as Slavic opportunistic expansionism...Makedonism is an essential element of that expansionism and it is still alive and very active today in FYRoM.

Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous...nourished and sustained by historical-revisionism and pseudo-history. Without these
two essential Makedonist elements, FYRoM perishes, ceases to exist.
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To have a neighbour next door to you attempt to decorate his house the same as yours...to adorn virtually the same fixtures and fittings as yours is rather spooky, but it gets wierd when that same neighbour starts to use your name and Identity and then attempts to have it registered in order to pass it off as his own.

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door
to each other, but if one John Smith attempts to usurp the Identity of the other one...that is called Identity theft!

The above analogy describes perfectly the situation between FYRoM and Greece!

FYRoM is a newly emergent country that entered onto the world stage in 1991, from the disintegration and break-up of the old-Yugoslavia. They way it achieved Independance was unlike that one would have expected...the transition to Independance was achieved remarkably peacefully. FYRoM made it's debut onto the world stage using the name Republic of Macedonia and then embarked on making it's presence felt in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a region of the world steeped in Greek history.

Slavists from FYRoM immediately took the opportunity to re-invoke Makedonism...an Ideology based on Slavic expansion southwards to Greece and onwards to the Aegean sea.

Makedonists in FYRoM painted and decorated the country in the jamboree of colours and styles typically found in the Hellenic world. Place names and street furniture began to appear in the Hellenic style, and gigantic statues and grand-archways erected in the classicist Hellenic format. The country began to take on the look and feel of a Theme-Park based on Greek Macedonian hero's and Hellenistic architecture.

For Greeks to watch their new neighbour do these things, to promote Greek-culture and take on Greek names was initially very flattering to say the least, until they realised FYRoM was not doing it to laud the Greeks, instead, they were doing it to spite the Greeks, to ridicule them and to humiliate them and their Hellenic culture.

FYRoM's Slavist devotion to Makedonism...an expansionist Ideology, promulgates the seperation between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks. Makedonist Slavists advocate an unambiguous distinction between them and presses for the recognition in law of a seperate NoN-Greek Macedonian nation.

Greeks now view FYRoM as being hostile towards them and their Hellenic-culture. Greeks consider FYRoM's actions as provocative beligerance, they see them working alongside Tuanid Turkics to see the destruction and eradication of the host-culture in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

When a neighbour paints and decorates the outside of his house the same as yours, and then takes on your name, and then adorns the internal walls of his house with pictures and portaits of your ancestral forbears, and then petitions
to register these changes as exclusively his own...what would you do ???

Greeks know what to do!

Greeks shall squeeze the PiPs out of them...Greeks shall sqeeze those Slavist orientated Makedonists until the last gasp of air extinguishes from their aiways!

I say, go tell those Makedonist Indoctrinated Slavists where to get-off! Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.
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Ahhhahahaaaa^^ you fools... they give you a topic to argue about and you guys take the bait and are able to even go to war over a frigging name, creating more hate and division , in a time where we should be united against the beast that invaded earth... way to fall for divide and conquer tactics... let this shit go... it s not worth it... it s only there to keep your minds and attentions occupied and distracted from the real issues
a free man chooses, a slave obeys
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Greeks cannot permit Makedonist Indoctrinated South-Slavs to rubbish Greek-history denigrate Hellenism and generally belittle, badmouth Greeks on the Internet. Slavist Makedonists from FYRoM along with their Turanid Turkic partners got together to badmouth Greeks, to assassinate the Greek National-Character as best and as often as they possibly can.

Before 1991...The Greek National-Character was that of a typical Mediterenean, a Southern-European, a family orientated religious God-fearing Orthodox-Christian with a flare for business entrepreneurial acumen.

After 1991...When FYRoM entered onto the world stage, the Greek National-Character was attacked 24/7 to make the Greek
look like a lazy cheating Southern-European. The modern-Greek National Character assassinated at every given opportunity, but little did FYRoM and it's Western and Turkic backers, sponsors, supporters know that...The Greek Character having formed over millenia, can be summarized as being multi-faceted. Most people would firstly consider Greeks as Mediterenean peoples, but there is more...

1...Mediterenean: Greeks could be clustered together with Southern-Europeans, Italians, Maltese, Spaniards, Portuguese and to a lesser extent the French within the context of a greater Greco-Roman civilization.

2...Western European: Since, in the West, Greece is considered to be the cradle of Western civilization. Some Western Europeans actually see themselves in ancient-Greeks.

3...Eastern European: Since Byzantine-Greeks baptized christianized and civilized the Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox Christendom.

4...Middle-Eastern: Since the Greek expansion and colonization eastwards, ensured prolonged ties with oriental eastern cultures.

5...Balkanian: Greeks are not comfortable with this term, Greeks prefer Southeastern-European instead, anyway, a Balkan Identity exists, similar to that of Albanians, Serbians, Bulgarians, Romanians and Western-Turks exists. There are discernible common elements, contributions from the Byzantine Eastern-Roman Empire and from the Ottoman Empire, contributions which bear testament to shared tradition attributes and mannerisms.

Greeks have always been a sea-faring International Peoples from since millenia.

The Greek Character is Multifaceted, drawing in, embedded experiances from 5 different geographical locations.

The Greeks were never restricted to just one particular country, there were no countries with fixed border's in ancient times.

Greeks during antiquity could be visualized as stretching from Iberia in the West to the Crimea in the East...and beyond.

There was never a country called Greece in ancient times, instead, there were many-Greeks inhabiting Many regions...from Iberia to the Crimea.

Lest we forget: From the river Iber in the West to the river Evros in the East, that space in between in a Greek concept...Evropi!

Can FYRoM really Rubbish This!
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Without a break and from an ethno-cultural continuum perspective, the Greek ethno-culture tops the list for being the most resiliant and dominant host-culture in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Greece, the geographic landscape played and still plays host to generations of Greeks that can legitimately boast unbroken ethno-cultural ties back to previous generations of Greeks...in perfectly traceable backwards-compatible fashion, traversing a time continuum spanning millenia.

From since the earliest times, Greece, the geographic landscape, has seen the Hellenic ethno-culture assimilate numerous waves of peoples exogenous to the Haemus peninsula.

That Greece absorbed wave after wave of exogenous genetic infusions over time, validates the resiliance and the dominance of the host-culture.

The genes, the peoples of the Haemus peninsula carry today, may not reflect faithfully their current ethnic-feelings and national-pride...ethnicity can be taught and nations are relatively recent political constructs.

The native and original, Indigenous and autochthonous genes of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula have been mapped...If you carry these in your biological make-up, there is a more than an evens chance you have Greek in You!

Greeks can boast the longest unbroken ethno-cultural continuum in the Haemus peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Hellenes from since millenia.

Who has the right to rubbish this!
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The Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM are not Macedonians, at least not in the Greek sense of that word...they cannot possibly be, it is impossible. Macedonians self-determined as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples as long ago as 3 Millenia, it is an impossibility for them to have evolved naturally from Greek speaking Hellenic peoples into Slavic speaking Serbo-Bulgarian peoples without the worlds ethnogenists or demographers knowing about it.

Indeed, and in-fact...the worlds leading ethnogenists and demographers already mapped the races of the Balkans into their own self-determined ethno-cultural groupings.

For the Slavic speaking Serbo-Bulgarians from the old-Yugoslavia to wantonly attempt an opportunistic preemptive strike at taking from the Greeks, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names in order to convert it into an ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity flies in the face of what is already known about them.

Even with vast amounts of accumulated worldly knowledge about them, they still shamelessly invoke the UN charter of human rights to self-determine as Macedonians even though they are a Slavic speaking peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Greeks cannot permit them to take the Macedonian name away from the Greek domain. Greeks cannot permit a South-Slavic peoples to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for their
new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when those Identity factors are foreign to Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs searching for an Identity rooted in classical antiquity are better-off going for the Paeonina Identity...afterall, that is where FYRoM is situated in ancient-geographical terms. FYRoM is far away from real and proper Macedonia. FYRoM is Paonia in the south and Dardania in the north.

To want to change Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs smacks of Makedonism...an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology first initiated during the Imperialist Tzarist era when Russia solely agitataed for the revival and resurrection of the oldest known Slavic presence in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...Bulgaria!

Makedonism would not exist but for the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate!
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By some remote possibility, even Afghans could claim Macedonian descent, Egyptians and Syrians also. Tajiks too, they could do exactly the same, afterall, Alexander the Great went there and built Alexandia Eschate...the farthestmost ancient-Greek City in the orient.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wherever the ancient-Macedonians went, from the places they visited, built or renamed could claim to be a descendant. A modern-day Anatolian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Persian or Afghan, or even Indians Pakistanis and Tajikistanis could claim ancient-Macedonian heritage...who could stop them, or even deny that it is entirely possible.

In the end, many peoples from many places could claim
ancestry from the ancient-Macedonians and some do, but none of them deny that Alexander the Great was the Greek-King of Macedon, or that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM did it all wrong, they went about it entirely the wrong way...they entered onto the world stage and immediately proclaimed themselves top of the chain Macedonians. They went further by announcing they were ethnic-racial Macedonians, and then embarked on a dirty campaign to discredit the Greeks. It would have been far better for them to have said:

"We are Slavs, but we are Macedonians too, and along with the Greeks, share some of the regions history and cultural-heritage, courtesy of inter-marriage between the Slavonic tribes and Northern-Greeks during the Slavic settlements of the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD."

Had FYRoM, a new Slavic-country, made its debut onto the world satge with this Introduction, depicting and illustrating their ethnogenesis story, is more plausible than the one they actually entered onto the world stage with. Slav-Macedonians claiming exclusive ownership over the name, history and cultural-heritage of the region, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks set the tone of future political relations between FYRoM and Greece.

FYRoM started-off on the wrong foot. If only they started-off from a plausible and probable point of view. They could have stated from the outset, "We are Slavs but we are Macedonians too, just like the Greeks," and by the virtues of inter-marriage and cross-fertilization are entitled to share at least some history and heritage of the Macedonian region.

Alas, this was not the way FYRoM chose...instead, FYRoM chose an aggressive anti-Hellenic approach, a racist approach and a slanderous approach where they teamed-up with Turkic Turanid psuedo-historians ostensibly to rewrite the ancient-history of Europe, where Turkics found their roots and ethno-genesis in ancient-Troy and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs found theirs in ancient-Macedonia.

FYRoM started-off wrong, they started-off on the wrong foot and stayed on the wrong path continuously and systematically tripping over themselves and shooting themselves in the foot. Every single paragraph in their Turanid-Induced Slavist-Influenced pseudo-scriptures are found to be inconsistant and incompatible with the long established mainstream historical narrative. Macedonians have always been Greeks but FYRoM's mind-achitects chose to alter the demographics by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

If only they started-off on the other foot...

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