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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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Alexander the Great was the ancient-Greek King of Macedon, all of the worlds credible encyclopedias state that fact as do the worlds leading classicist scholars...so why is FYRoM so reluctant to admit, acknowledge and recognize Alexander the Greats Greekness. In FYRoM's Slavist orientated history books, they omit the term Greek for the term Macedonian.All references to the terms Greek and Hellenic are substituted for the term Macedonian, as if to accentuate the emphasis on his Macedonian Identity rather than his Greek-Hellenic Identity.

FYRoM promotes Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology which attempts to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs by excluding all terms of reference to their Greekness. They have used revisionism and pseudo-history which eradicates and makes no mention of the fact that the ancient-Macedonians started-off as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM cannot alter it's stance now...It has gone too far down the road of No return. An admission of the ancient-Macedonians Greekness would be to admit that they lied to their own children pupils and students for generations.

So FYRoM is in a quagmire of it's own making...isolated and alone, kept at arms length, at a distance until the politicians there decide to teach their children the true history of the peninsula they reside on.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...FYRoM should at minimum, respect that!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! This is a factual statement!

What made the Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia think they could alter the demographics of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands!
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Alexander the Great, the famous military leader from the 4th Century BC was born in Pella in the Kingdom of Macedon, a region in Northernmost Greece. For many Greeks, the connection to Alexander the Great is a source of ethnic and national pride. Quite Understandable then, that Greeks get so upset when FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim him for their own ancestor on the basis he was Macedonian. The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia came into being as a direct result of the break-up and disintegration of the old-Yugoslavia, declaring its Independence in 1991.

Greeks get upset because FYRoM is situated outside of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, so called historic-Macedonia in differentaiation to geographic-Macedonia where FYRoM is currently located. Greeks get upset at FYRoM perpetuating the Idea that the country is connected geographically and culturally to the ancient-Kingdom when clearly, it is not.

FYRoM's historian scholars and academics alike, disagree with an impressive array of >372 International classicist historians that support and endorse the Greekness of the ancient-Macedonians, placing them into the Greek domain, in with the Greek-collective of peoples. This disagreement with the International academic community has damaged FYRoM seriously.

Classicist historian scholars wholly disagree with FYRoM's attempt to adopt Alexander the Great for their ancestor. By making him their own Indigenous national hero represents a gross distortion of what is actually known about ancient-Macedonians. The long established mainstream historical narrative shall not be shelved or put on-hold, or held hostage to FYRoM's theories Ideas and conjectures pending their academic approval. For these scholars, it represents a fictionalized fabrication of classicist-history, the very subject they spent their whole professional carears disseminating in the most prestigious learning Instutions of the Western world.
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Historically speaking, Macedonia has always referred to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, an ancient and archaic geographical region...not to a race, ethnicity or nationality, and this region was integral to the ancient-Hellenic world.

Geographically speaking, the greater Macedonian region extended outwards to cover ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands, courtesy of latin-Roman rule.

The Romans named those extended parts, Macedonia II Salutaris meaning the added-on parts or the beneficial parts. The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon the Romans kept seperate and Greek by naming it Macedonia-Prima, meaning the first and foremost Macedonia.

The largest part of extended geographic-Macedonia is actually Historic-Macedonia, [51%] where the ancient-Kingdom is situated...inside the Northern boundaries of modern-Greek state, the Hellenic Republic.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs, this fact is evidenced both historically and geographically!

Can FYRoM's Slavist Makedonist Silliness really Rubbish This!
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By emphasising their so called Macedonian-Identity above that of their South-Slavic-Identity...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are blurring the distinction between the two. By presenting themselves to the world as just Macedonians is a gross distortion of what is actually known about them.Macedonians are the Northernmost-Greeks who's ancestors were responsible for spreading Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world.

By attempting to make [Macedonian] a geographic-term, an ethnic-racial, national-Identity...FYRoM has embarked on a
one-way path of No return. There is no going back now!

By educating young Slavic children to think of themselves as
ethnic-racial Macedonians, FYRoM's educators commit crimes against their own children...and crimes against humanity on the basis, Macedonia(n) is Not ethnic, racial or National-Identity but a geographic-term, describing a region in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula which constitutes historic and geographic factors.

The Haemus peninsula spawned Hellenism...it is where the Hellenic tribes formed, a collection of >230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms, peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. For FYRoM to take one of their names in order to use it for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity flies in the face of what we know about South-Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians...at least Not in the Greek sense of that word, they sould have made the distinction between the geographic and historic terms.

1...Geographic-Macedonians are the Greeks, the Bulgars, the Albanians and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...all of these peoples reside on geographic-Macedonian soil.

2...Historic-Macedonians are the Greeks who reside inside the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, Northenmost Greece. Historic-Macedonia constitutes 51% of Geographic-Macedonia.

The distinction is clear...crystal clear!

Greeks have always lived in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon even when it was administered by the latin-Romans.

FYRoM sits on 39% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The name was applied to Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands for administrative purposes during latin-Roman rule.

Bulgaria sits on 9% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon either, for the same reasons stated above.

Albania sits in 1% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon for all the same reasons as above.

It was wholly primitive and opportunistic for FYRoM to have attempted a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian name away from the Greeks in such crude and crass circumstances.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs, evidenced on both geographic and historic grounds.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can boast Macedonian-Identity only on geographic grounds...courtesy of those latin-Romans who extended the Macedonian name to cover over Paeonian and Dardanian lands, and that is where FYRoM is situated right now, ancient-Paenia in the north and ancient-Dardania in the south, there is nothing real or proper Macedonian there.
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Like the Bucharest Treaty expiring in 2013 was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like the Rosetta Stone Middle Text [demotic-Egyptian] Inscriptions being the long lost language of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Alexander the Great being the first Czar of the Slavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Macedonians are different to Greeks is a hoax...so is Makdonism!

Like so many of FYRoM's Makedonist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are ultimately proven to be just hoaxes, designed primarily to belittle Hellenism and ridicule, humiliate the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the people there still cling-on to the remotest possibility they can still be Macedonians in some form or another, and ofcourse they can be, but only in the geographic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians geographically, on the basis of geography only. Today, the term Macedonia(n) is applicable to more than one country. Macedonia(n) is a geographic term not ethnic or racial, and certainly not national term.

It's all a hoax, Macedonians are Greeks, they cannot possibly be anything else because of the name.

Macedonia(n) is a Greek-Hellenic name derived from the Hellenic language.

Greek speaking Hellenic people created the Macedonian name first using their own native-indigenous Macedonian tongue which was a dialect of the Greek-Hellenic language.

It's all a hoax! Slavic speaking South-Slavs cannot possibly be Macedonians, they are a different race, they are foreign to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula!

The best outcome would be for FYRoM to admit that they Slavs first and foremost, and then stipulate they are Macedonians too, on the basis they live on geographic-Macedonian turf.

Only in this way can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs share in the history and the heritage of this region, acknowledging first and foremost that it is the Greeks who hold primacy in hierarchical terms to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.
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A Nation of peoples is made-up from various ethnicities sometimes at ease with each-other, speaking the same language and following the same culture...uniformed ways and traditions from since they have known each-other, or from since the state in which they live-in was set-up.

A Nation of peoples can absorbe outsider exogenous foreign elements into it's fold and convert them ((assimilate)(acculturate)) over time...that time-period is known to us, it hovers around the 200 year mark or 8 generations. We know this from the Bulgarians, a modern-Nation of Slavic speakers but their ancestral-forebears were neither Slavs nor Slavic speakers.

Indeed and in-fact, the proto-Bulgar tribes that descended into the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD, were outsiders, exogenous foreigners, alien to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

From since the eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic tribes, supreme overlords over the Slavic tribes, were ushered into Europe and settled into the Byzantine Empire, the Greco-Roman world, new Nations formed with the Slavic element ascendant above all the other ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic groups.

Those despotic-overlords, those Avaro-Huns were small in number and finally succumbed to the more numerous Slavic tribes they subjugated, taking-on their tribal-names, their language, and their ways and traditions...it is called assimilation and acculteration and it usually takes around 200 years or 8 generations to take effect.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can be visualized playing their part in that scenario. Their ancestors may have included eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic peoples, certainly included Slavic-peoples but Macedonian-peoples...I doubt it! and I shall explain why ?

Macedonians at that time...during the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic Incursions of the 6th Century AD were Greek speaking
Greco-Roman peoples calling themselves (Romioi) Romans, also known as Byzantine Eastern-Romans. Once settled into the Empire, that Melieu of exogenous Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic tribes may have assimilated and acculterated some Greco-Romans from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs may carry in their biological make-up, that same genetic stuff as those Greco-Romans. If that were proven, that would make them partially Greek. These implications are significant because it would entitle them to claim partial-Greek ancestry!

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration traversed all ways...that Slavic melieu which ultimately, over time absorbed those Avaro-Hunnic and Bulgar elements may have also absorbed Greco-Roman elements from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Avar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Hunnic ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Bulgar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Slavic ancestry but they
prefer to claim Macedonian ancestry with it, mixing and matching Slavic-things with Macedonian-things.

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration
made Avaro-Hunnic people Slavic, made proto-Bulgar people Slavic, it may have also made Greco-Roman people from the Macedonian region Slavic, this is how it works. Conversley,
those assimilation and acculteration processes worked visa-versa. That Greco-Roman melieu may have absorbed elements from that Slavic melieu and made them Byzantines, this is how it works.

FYRoM's political elite were Silly to have brought ancient-history into the equation, the history debate they were always destined to lose, a Mistake that ultimately proved to be their Nemesis. The Macedonian name they covet so much they can only use in the geographic context...nothing more than this.

The Macedonian name is best left in the Greek domain and the Macedonian-Identity best left to Greek-heritage...these are the basics and the fundamentals which cannot be changed. Attempting to alter these factors simply edges FYRoM closer to the abyss.

FYRoM is a Slavic country with partial-Greek connections. The peoples there could claim Byzantine-heritage, traceable back to the 6th Century AD. FYRoM is Slavic but Macedonian too, in the geographic context...nothing more than this.
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Alexander belongs to no-one but the Greeks. Alexander the Great belongs to Greek-heritage only. It would be foolish for nationalities today, to fight over his ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity. The Macedonian-name belongs no-where but in Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to no other heritage but the Greek one.

These basic fundamentals apply even if there were no Greeks today to claim Alexanders legacy.

Had the Greeks expired, became extinct and left us no heirs or inheritors to claim the ancient-Hellenic legacy... Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity would still have gone down in recorded history, in the mainstream historical narrative as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, be it rough and ready ones inhabiting the Northernmost extremities of the Hellenic world.

It was wrong of FYRoM, a Slavic country to have made claims of inheritance to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonian legacy!

1991, Had FYRoM stood-up onto the world-stage and introduced itself to the International community as a new Slavic country, with Slavic heritage and some Greco-Slavic Byzantine cultural-traditions...the Greeks would have been flattered to the point where they probably would have championed FYRoM's full-integration into the Euro-Atlantics economic and security structures of the EU and NATO, securing FYRoM's future in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Had FYRoM introduced itself as a new Slavic country and stipulated they were Macedonians too...on the basis of geography, the Greeks would have accepted them with open arms!

Had FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs proclaimed themselves a Slavic-peoples but Macedonians also...the Greeks would have been elated at having a neighbouring friendly Slavic country bordering it's northern frontier.

Had FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs said: "We are Slavs but Macedonians too" the Greeks would have sat down with them to discuss in a cordial manner, exactly their Macedonian credentials.

FYRoM did none of those things!

Instead, FYRoM showed itself to an anti-Hellenic country, outwardly expressing burning-hatred and rabid-hostility towards the Hellenic Republic and the Greek-Hellenic peoples by belittling their culture and rubbishing their Nationa-history!

Greeks view them as hostiles...similar to how they view the Turks, their traditional Islamic-foe in the region.

FYRoM's hostile anti-Hellenic stance has alienated it's southern-neighbour Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples. Greeks both at home and abroad mistrust FYRoM's intentions in the Haemus, sensitized towards every word they say and every action they take...but worse than this, FYRoM has alienated the International academic community with whom they have a disagreement over the ethnic-Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity!

FYRoM follows a Slavist orientated Makedonist-Ideology which teaches young Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs compare to the Bulgarians, both in speech and in genous. They are one and the same peoples. They look the same and they speak the same language.

They are Bulgarians in transition...after going through a Serbianization process and coming out the other side as a somewhat confused Serbo-Bulgarian concoction wanting to use the ancient-Greek name Macedonia(n) to Identify with.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to use the Macedonian name to describe themselves ethnically, racially, culturally and linguistically.

They also want to use the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is known, these Identity factors do not bode well with
Slavonic peoples.

Macedonians have always been Greeks...Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

But FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were never told that...that information was kept from them, and still is kept from them.

In FYRoM, inside their schools colleges and universities, they are taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.
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It's not who you are...It's what you are! If you claim to be a Macedonian with Slavic origins and from South-Slavic stock, then you cannot possibly be a Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word. The first Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and the current Macedonians are the same...confused, you will be!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim to be Macedonians...but Macedonians were the Greeks who's ancestors initiated that campaign to liberate the Greek City-States from Persian rule. Those Macedonians exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world. They built an ancient-Greek city in Tajikistan, the furthest Alexandrian city from the Macedonian homeland.

It's not who you are...Macedonian

It's what you are...Greek-Hellenic

If we apply that rule to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs, their so called and much covetted Macedonian Identity is just a shell empty of the substance...to be Macedonian you have to be Greek in the first place.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should respect that!

It's not who you are but what you are and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the Tin...South-Slavs
from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from Macedonia, Not Southern-Slavs from Bulgaria and Serbia.

For Self-Identity: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should have Introduced themselves properly, they should have told the world they are South-Slavs but Macedonians too...in the goegraphic context!

For a South-Slavic people to wantonly attempt a preemptive strike at traking the Macedonian name away from the Greeks smacks of Makedonism...an expansionist outdated Slavist Ideology with intentions to expand Slavdom southwards to Greece then onwards to the Aegean Sea!
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It's not who you are but what you are

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the Tin...South-Slavs from Serbian or Bulgarian stock.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from Macedonia, Not Southern-Slavs from Bulgaria and Serbia.

For a South-Slavic peoples to wantonly attempt a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian name away from the Greeks smacks of Makedonism...a now outdated expansionist Slavist Ideology, which had intentions to expand Slavdom southwards to Greece then onwards to the Northern shores of the Aegean Sea!

FYRoM's Slavists continue to follow this Ideology!

FYRoM must understand that Slavists cannot undo the past by simply rewriting history!

Historical revisionism and pseudo-history...rewriting the long established mainstream historical narrative solely for the tuition of FYRoM's Slavic children pupils and students has had it's consequences, it has spawned a generation of misguided Slavic children who passionately think of themselves as Macedonians and think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...FYRoM's Slavists have brainwashed them, Indoctrinated them, and damaged them beyond repair!

It's not who you are but what you are. Macedonians know who they are and what they are...Greeks to the Core!
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It's not who [Macedonian] you are!

It's what [Greek-Hellenic] you are!

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place, then FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should learn to respect that!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

When your neighbour paints his house the same as your house,
how should you react...calmly I suggest!

When your neighbour decorates the inside of his house to resemble your house, how should you react...with curiosity I suggest!

When your neighbour adorns the walls of his house with portraits of your ancient-relatives, how should you react...with suspicion I suggest!

When your neighbour engraves and carves the names of your ancestors into the walls of his house, how should you react...with caution I suggest!

When your neighbour marks the door of his house with your ancient-symbols, how should you react...with anger I suggest!

When your neighbour takes on your Identity and attempts to pass himself off as You, how should you react...with extreme annoyance I suggest!

When your neighbour teams-up with with another neioghbour and attempts to rubbish your name, your history at that address and your ethno-cultural Identity, how should you react...with Vexation I suggest!

When your neighbour starts a hate campaign against You, Your relatives and Your ancient-relative...how should You react!

You take him by the scruff of the Neck and politley ask him to Stop otherwise you shall squeez the heebie jeebies out of him...Come Hell or High Water!
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Greeks are being forced to accept the Idea that today, Macedonians are those who feel it, the ones who feel that way, and if one feels like a Macedonian then he or she has the right to self-Identify that way. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs feel like Macedonians and they confound it by calling themselves ethnic-Macedonians. Ethnic-Identity should be taken to refer to a notion of shared ancestry even if imaginary, those found sharing in the same feelings and the same cultural practices have right to refer to it by name.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs call themselves Makedonci, their language Makedonski and their country Republic of Macedonia.
They want the world to recognize them as Alexander the Greats children...Macedonians with a sting, because from here it gets murky! They want the world and their Greek neighbours to recognize them as a Nation of Slavic-speaking Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks say No! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians in the Greek sense of that word...they can be Macedonians if they feel it but only in the regional-geographic context, not in the ethnic or racial context or cultural-linguistic context. Macedonia(n), when this term is used today, it is used to refer to the peoples of more than one country.

Macedonia(n) today is geographic-Identity not National-Identity. FYRoM seeks to usurp the Macedonian-Identity exclusively, on the pretext of a feeling. If the measure of ethnicity was determined in "feelings" then Macedonians are Greeks, madly passionate about their Greekness from since they first developed their Hellenic ethno-linguistic Identity and Hellenic ethno-cultural values and practices.

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs had the front and the gall to call themselves Macedonians on the basis of a feeling should be taken with a pinch of salt...there is no way that feeling could have been assigned "Macedonian," more likely that feeling was wind or stomach cramps. There is no one to one relationship between culture and ethnicity. That cultural differences cut across ethnic boundaries, and that
ethnic-Identity is based solely on socially sanctioned notions of cultural-differences be it imaginary ones, leads us to conclude that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs went through a social-engineering process, ethnically manipulated to develop collective memories, in other words, taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.
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Sicko - shouldn't you worry about GREECE instead?
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Sicko - shouldn't you worry about GREECE instead?
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Much effort has gone into de-Hellenizing Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity in order to make them Slavic but the facts and the evidence remain
true and steadfast:

1...Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from Macedon, the ancient-Kingdom in Northern-Greece.

2...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs...South-Slavs from Serbia and Bulgaria.

These are the hard facts. To change the Macedonians from ethnic-Greek status to ethnic-Slav status requires gall and alot of bottle...altering the demographic historical record is not easy in this day and age. FYRoM's Slavist orientated revionist pseudo-historians cannot undo the past simply by rewriting it. The long established demographic-history of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula places the Macedonians into the Greek domain and in with the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples. Can FYRoM's Slavists really alter this!

The answer ofcourse is No...but that has not stopped them from trying!

FYRom's rogue-scholars, pseudo-historians, mind-architects and specialist-propandists, between all of them, have produce 1001 Theories Ideas and Conjectures which attempt to alter the demographic history of Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by making the Slavic-race native and indigenous to the region. They went further and scripted themselves a history and a heritage which disconnected the Greeks from Macedonians and instead, connected the Slavic-race to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM's pseudo-historical ethno-genesis narrative revulsed not just the Greeks but all of their neighbours...bar Turkey. Turkey supports their revisionism, in-fact Turkey and FYRoM work in tandem to script the Turkic-race a history back to the ancient-Trojans and to script the Slavic-race a history back to the ancient-Macedonians.

Both Turanid and Slavist propaganda themes and synergies are commonly used. Both Turkic and Slavic pseudo-historians openly support any Theory Idea or Conjecture that seperates Macedonians from the rest of the Greek. They continue to cite Mario Alinei and the PCT theory which surmises the Slavic Satem language groups to be native to the Haemus peninsula. It is just a Theory...it has not attained academic approval, therefore it cannot possibly halt, shelve or put on hold the current mainstream view which places the ethno-genesis of the Slavic peoples far outside the boundaries of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Another Turkic-Slavist project involved the flawed genetic study from A.Arnaiz-Villena which made Greek Dna African, according to his team...all of them FYRoM Slavics, clustered
the Greek sample in with the African samples and quickly put it to print. The results were assigned to propaganda on the basis FYRoM's genetic scientists under the auspices of Villena doctored the results, something that was never duplicated or repeated in European-wide genetic studies. Thus, FYRoM earned a reputation through-out Europe, a bad one for being sneaky and slippery and downright repugnant towards European values of decency and honourable behaviour at the International level.

They also cite bogus-fake Oxford university genetic studies
which apparently Identified the highest concentration of the Mediterenean gene in the Slavs of FYRoM.

Somebody has to tell them and in no uncertain terms that Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs and these Greek original Macedonians never ever gave their permission for their ancient-archaic, regional-tribal name to be used in the ethnic-racial context by FYRoM's South-Slavs.
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...he didn't notice that because of his psychotic posts most people who see them are soon convinced that the greek agenda is a psychotic fantasy..
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...he didn't notice that because of his psychotic posts most people who see them are soon convinced that the greek agenda is a psychotic fantasy..
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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
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...he didn't notice that because of his psychotic posts most people who see them are soon convinced that the greek agenda is a psychotic fantasy..
 Quoting: a 17346238

Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
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your focus on your ego too much, nick.
South Slavs are not specially anti helenic, they are just not helenic.

as for slovenes, in the same context, we are not latinic and not germanic, yet we are autochtonous.
Actually, the slavonics are the substratum, on which the helenes, the latins and the germans grew. That is why slavonic languages are central among indoeuropean languages.

it is not some antihelenic propaganda, as you think. it is just a slavonic awakening.
the militant powers have been supressing us too long.
and the fabrication of history is a big part of the suppression.
but in modern times, it is impossible to hyde the truth. it can be twisted and manipulated from high places, but not in eternity.

you are wrong if yuo think this is a politically orchestrated action.
the autochtonists have very little or no support from the governments. Macedonia is the only one to have a little official support, because no government would survive if it would be so out of touch with reality. in slovenia, on the contrary, the official historians are doing everything they can to suppress the autochtonists, because they are a buch of political whores and our politicians are servants of the vatican and washington.

we are claiming our celto-slavic heritage back.

if you want greeks to reassess strategic partners in the haemus, the best way is to recognize their slavonic neighbours as the descendants of the macedonians and thracians.

then, together we can stand united against the roman satan and his anglosaxon beast.

wake up, Nicko, we are not against you in any way.
you just got stuck with the macedonians. but tell me, what do you really need from them? do you want their land?
they don't want your land, so what is the problem?
is it just your ego?
now imagine the ego of the slavonics, being denied their true history for so long!
you are angry, if your neighbours are proud of ther history, how would you feel, if the americans would write your schoolbooks where they aould claim you are not descendants of ancient greeks, but of the turks, who cam emuch later and that you have nothing to do with ancient greeks?
can you imagine that?

we have nothing against the greek. we see you as a part of our ancient culture. an important and noble part of our culture, very special and highly developed. it was not perfect of course, as nothing is, but your culture is certainly something to be proud of.
do you understand me?
we are not your adversaties.
you could also be proud of us, the ancient european culture, the genetoi, henetoi, uenetoi. the root, on which your noble ancient greek ancestors have grown.

macedonians and greeks had disputes in history, no doubt about it. there were also clashes with the celts.
but there was also cooperation,
similar as with slavonic tribes. we had good and bad times throughout history. but that is no reason for hate.

we dont hate you for being greek, why should we?
do you hate us for being slavonic?

you should be faithful to your greek traditions and heritage.
why dont you want us to be faithful to ours?
why do you want us to keep repeating the grotesque fiction of history the romano-germans have inflicted upon us instead of our true history?

please, take some time to think about it...

think good
and be well
;)
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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
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1...you focus on your ego too much, nick.

2...South Slavs are not specially anti helenic, they are just not helenic.

3...as for slovenes, in the same context, we are not latinic and not germanic, yet we are autochtonous.

4...Actually, the slavonics are the substratum, on which the helenes, the latins and the germans grew. That is why slavonic languages are central among indoeuropean languages.

 Quoting: a 13571489

1...Really! I do that ?

2...Most of the anti-Hellenic jibes nowadays emanate from two sources...(i) South-Slavic sources and (ii) Turkic sources.

3...Slavic speaking autochthonous ??? Are the Satem Slavic languages Indigenous to the Haemus ? and before you say Yes, why were they not Infuenced by the latin language of the Ruling Romans.

4...Making the Slavs Proto-Europeans even before the Greeks and before the Latins ? This is too much to take in right now. The Slavic languages are Not central among Indo-European language are they, in fact there is a polarization between Satem on the one side and Centum on the other side.

More later......
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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


1...you focus on your ego too much, nick.

2...South Slavs are not specially anti helenic, they are just not helenic.

3...as for slovenes, in the same context, we are not latinic and not germanic, yet we are autochtonous.

4...Actually, the slavonics are the substratum, on which the helenes, the latins and the germans grew. That is why slavonic languages are central among indoeuropean languages.

 Quoting: a 13571489

1...Really! I do that ?

2...Most of the anti-Hellenic jibes nowadays emanate from two sources...(i) South-Slavic sources and (ii) Turkic sources.

3...Slavic speaking autochthonous ??? Are the Satem Slavic languages Indigenous to the Haemus ? and before you say Yes, why were they not Infuenced by the latin language of the Ruling Romans.

4...Making the Slavs Proto-Europeans even before the Greeks and before the Latins ? This is too much to take in right now. The Slavic languages are Not central among Indo-European language are they, in fact there is a polarization between Satem on the one side and Centum on the other side.

More later......
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2 - i m not familiar with the turkish view in this context. i know they are an old north east asian group of peoples ( i mean the large turkish group, not just the ones in turkey) but i see no cooperation betwen the turkish school and the slavonic autochtonists, because of long standing political dispute( not just political, the turks supressed the serbs (as they supressed the greeks)quite violently, as far as i know) . so you can hardly see them as on the same side because they are not . the turks are not the focus of the slavonic - i havent noticed any autochtonist slavonic mentioning them. all i know is that the large turkish family of nations also has not had an objective role in written history, but were diminuished by western scholars. so i might understand their wish to know more about their ancient history - but that is what i think and not what i know, because, as i said, i havent studied them much

3 - here, take a look:
[link to www.jandacek.com]
[link to www.jandacek.com]

the romans did not impose their language on country dwellers in provinces to such an extent as the germans did. so romanization was very limited. consider the romans ruling for 400 years, compared to the germans ruling for a thousand years - but we still have the language.
in spite of the fact, that germans actually wanted actively to germanise us also with public schools in german language.

but they have succeded to push the germanic - slavonic linguistic border to the east and south.

in the same context, the romans also succeded to push the romanic - slavonic border. northern italy, for instance, was not roman in roman times, but etruscan, celtic and vendic. that mean almost one half of italy...

4 - actually, there is no kentum group, as you can see in the link i posted above. the only thing the kentum languages corresponds is their similarity to the slavonic - satem languages. but they are all similar from different perspectives, exactly, as if the slavonic would be the linguistc centre and the kentum lanaguages peripheral.
there is a modern scientific direction, called the paleolithic continuity theory, based on genetics, which shows, that some 75% of europeans derive from native europeans since the paleolithic.
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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616

1...it is not some antihelenic propaganda, as you think. it is just a slavonic awakening.

2...the militant powers have been supressing us too long. and the fabrication of history is a big part of the suppression.

3...but in modern times, it is impossible to hyde the truth. it can be twisted and manipulated from high places, but not in eternity.

4...you are wrong if yuo think this is a politically orchestrated action.

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1...Slavonic awakening! look at the damaged this awakening has done to Greco-Slavic relations at the people level. Slavist Makedonists from FYRoM have litter the Internet with vile and virulent anti-Hellenic racist propaganda and still do. Greeks have low opinion on Slavdom right now!

2...Greeks are part of this are they, suppressing Slavs and fabricating history...You Crazy, right!

3...Slavists cannot undo the past simply by rewriting it.
Greek history is interwoven with many other ancient-peoples histories, some of synchrionised long before the Slavonic tribes set foot on Greco-Latin soil.

4...I speak from the FYRoM perspective. There, it is political. The ruling elite in FYRoM have taken Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology and the revision of history to an absurd [Theme-Park] level.

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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616

1...the autochtonists have very little or no support from the governments. Macedonia is the only one to have a little official support, because no government would survive if it would be so out of touch with reality.

2...in slovenia, on the contrary, the official historians are doing everything they can to suppress the autochtonists, because they are a buch of political whores and our politicians are servants of the vatican and washington.

3...we are claiming our celto-slavic heritage back.

4...if you want greeks to reassess strategic partners in the haemus, the best way is to recognize their slavonic neighbours as the descendants of the macedonians and thracians.

5...then, together we can stand united against the roman satan and his anglosaxon beast.

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1...I call that place FYRoM because there is Nothing Macedonian there. The people there are from Serbian and Bulgarian stock and land there is ancient-Paeonia in the North and ancient-Dardania in the South. This is the Reality of it, evidenced by the historical-archeological and ancient-demographic records.

2...Why would the Vatican work in tandem with Washington to suppress a few autochthonists from Slovenia, I dont get it!

3...Celto-Slavic heritage, I never heard this one before, but good-luck, go for it dude!

4...Slavs are neither of these things are they ?
Macedonians were and still are, a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples native to the Haemus peninsula. It was the ancient-Macedonians that Hellenized the Thracians, a Brother peoples and a Sister Nation to the Greeks.

5...The Roman Satan and his Anglo-Saxon beast!!! This is getting spooky right now.

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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
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1...wake up, Nicko, we are not against you in any way.
you just got stuck with the macedonians. but tell me, what do you really need from them? do you want their land?
they don't want your land, so what is the problem?

2...is it just your ego? now imagine the ego of the slavonics, being denied their true history for so long!

3...you are angry, if your neighbours are proud of ther history, how would you feel, if the americans would write your schoolbooks where they aould claim you are not descendants of ancient greeks, but of the turks, who cam emuch later and that you have nothing to do with ancient greeks? can you imagine that?

4...we have nothing against the greek. we see you as a part of our ancient culture. an important and noble part of our culture, very special and highly developed. it was not perfect of course, as nothing is, but your culture is certainly something to be proud of.

5...do you understand me?

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1...They are Not Macedonians are they, they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, this is the reality of it, a fact of life which cannot be altered. Greeks want FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to admit recognize and acknowledge in No uncertain terms, that Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon.

2...The Slavonic peoples true history and heritage in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula has a starting point, a clear marker which places them into the Greco-Roman world after the Huns, after the Ostro-Goths, and after Visi-Goths but before the Magyars, before the Nordic-Varangians, before the Viking-Rus and the Norman invasions of Italy and the Haemus. That marker point in history is the 6th Century AD.

3...I am angry at FYRoM's Slavists de-Hellenizing Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity in order to script them into FYRoM's fabricated ethno-genesis origins. Modern-Greeks can trace their ethno-cultural history and heritage back to the Greco-Roman Byzantines who traced theirs back to the ancient-Hellenes, who traced theirs back to the proto-Greek triibes, the Mycaeneans, in backwards compatible fashion without clashes or conflicts. FYRoM has No right to Rubbish this!

4...This is the best thing said about Greeks from a Slav, that I have read in the last 5 years. For that, I reciprocate and say this: The Slavonic peoples are a great peoples, they have much heritage to be proud about without taking from the Greeks, elements from theirs.

5...Partially!
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Steady-On Slovenia dude...You guys started it, right!

Wasn't it You guys that Poisoned the Atmosphere between us!

The Greeks woke-up one morning and found the World Wide Web littered with anti-Hellenic propaganda...from our supposed friends and co-religionists, the Christian-Orthodox Slavs.

I had No Idea our South-Slavic neighbours were so anti-Hellenic.

From since 2007...I have been campaigning for the Greeks to re-assess their strategic-partnerships and relationships in the Haemus!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616

1...we are not your adversaties. you could also be proud of us, the ancient european culture, the genetoi, henetoi, uenetoi. the root, on which your noble ancient greek ancestors have grown.

2...macedonians and greeks had disputes in history, no doubt about it. there were also clashes with the celts.
but there was also cooperation, similar as with slavonic tribes. we had good and bad times throughout history. but that is no reason for hate.

3...we dont hate you for being greek, why should we?
do you hate us for being slavonic?

4...you should be faithful to your greek traditions and heritage. why dont you want us to be faithful to ours?
why do you want us to keep repeating the grotesque fiction of history the romano-germans have inflicted upon us instead of our true history?

5...please, take some time to think about it...think good and be well

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1...Greeks had a soft-spot for the Slavonic peoples, some still do, but alot dont anymore. A small part of the Slavonic peoples thought it wise to team-up with Turkic propagandists to post anti-Hellenic sentiments on the Internet. Greeks engage with them on a daily basis. Some Slavic peoples are racist towards Greeks, evidenced in their
posts, archived for posterity so that future Greeks can read what Slavs think about them. I am proud of some Slavs who to this day, continue to support the Greeks in their name-dispute with FYRoM, the instigator of the current hatred between Greeks and Slavs and the sole entity who poisoned the atmosphere between the great Slavonic peoples and the Greeks.

2...Macedonians are Greeks, Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon. Any disagreements between Macedonians and other Greeks should be taken in the context of a rift between peoples of the same speech and from the same genous. You mention Celts a few times now, you should know that there exists a peace treaty between ancient-Celts and ancient-Greeks where the Greek side was represented by Alexander the Great. With the Slavs, the Greco-Roman Byzantines moved the Macedonian name, lock-stock and barrel from it's original location to a different location in Thrace...Theme-Macedonia tells all. This is the best demonstration of Greek ownership over the Macedonian name because you know when a name is yours when you move it and take it with you to a totally different place. The Greco-Roman authorities had to do that in order to save the local population from those Slavic Incursions and excruciations.

3...The hates FYRoM started and it has take root now across the globe, especially in the diaspora communties. There are Greeks who see a small portion of the Slavonic peoples as their enemy, out to Rubbish Hellenism in order eradicate the host-culture from the Haemus, the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since Millenia.

4...The problems you have with the Romano-Germans you have allowed to cloud you view of Greeks Hellenism and their primordial homelands.

5...I have done that! You keep well also my Slavonic neighbour!

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