Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

There are 4 Types of Macedonian: The Authentic Type, the 2 Slavic Types, and the Albanian Type.

1...The Authentic-Macedonian ofcourse is the Greek speaking Hellenic type. He remained loyal to Hellenism and still lives within the boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

2...The Slavic-Macedonians can be split into two groups: (i) Bulgarian-Slavs and (ii) ex-Yugoslavs.

3...The Albanian-Macedonian we can discount on the basis, Albanians are No Macedonians, they know it, we know it, and they say so. Albania is home to just 1% of geographic-Macedonia, the extended and enlarged region which just carries the name only, it has Nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. Some Albanians can self-Identify as Macedonians in the geographic sense but chose not to.

The list is 3 but 4 Types of Macedonian are there. Now that we have discounted the Albanian Type of Macedonian, we are left with (i) The Authentic Greek Type of Macedonian, plus (ii) The Bulgarian-Slav Type, plus (iii) The ex-Yugoslav Type. From those 3 we can discount the Bulgarian-Slav Type of Macedonian on the basis, Bulgarians are No Macedonians, they know it, we know it, and they say so.

From the 4 Types of Macedonian, we have discounted 2 Types on the basis, they just carry the geographic-regional name only. Albania is home to just 1% of it, and Bulgaria just 9%
of it. Albanians and Bulgarians are No Macedonians, they know it, we know it, and they say so.

From the 4 Types of Macedonian we have discounted 2 Types, therefore 2 more remain. The Authentic-Macedonians have to contend against a rival who has staked a claim to their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a newly emergent peoples that acquired their Independence under dubious circumstances during the break-up of the old-Yugoslavia. In 1991, they entered onto the world stage wanting recognition as a Nation of Macedonians, on the basis, they speak Macedonian and live in a country called Macedonia...kick-starting off
a name dispute with Greece over who and who isn't Macedonian. After 21 years, the name dispute is still on-going!

Authentic-Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the days of King Karanus, more then 3 Millenia into the past. Alexander I, the grand-father
of Alexander III the Great, declared himself Greek on record
whilst his grandson, years later, initiated a campaign to free the ancient-Greek cities in [Asia-Minor] the east that found themselves under the rule of the Persians.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs vie and compete with the Greeks over a name the Greeks have been using in the regional-tribal context from since Millenia into the past...So what posessed them, Slavic speakers from Serbian and Bulgarian stock to become contender to the Macedonian name when it is known at every single academic discipline, Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs know none of this, that Macedonians have always been Greeks...for them, the Greeks are imposters, created by the West to cheat the Slavonic race from it's real true history and heritage in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Greeks live next to Primitive TurkoSlavic peoples...both Turkics and Slavics work tirelessly to Rubbish Greeks and Hellenism and both of them plot to eradicate the host-culture from the Haemus peninsula, the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since Millenia into the past.

We know for certain that FYRoM is peopled by ethnic-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. It is located in a region that in ancient times was called the Kingdom of Paeonia. The ancient-Peonians were not Greeks but they certainly were not Slavs, since the Slavic-tribes were known to have settled the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula sometime around the top-end of the 6th century A.D.

We know for certain that Macedonians have always been Greek
and that Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. Strong historical evidence suggests that the ancient-Macedonians were of Doric stock like the Spartans, which makes them Greek. The Pella curse Tablet suggests that from the 5th Century B.C. onwards, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was a Greek speaking Kingdom, where worship of the Greek Pantheon was common practice...this point alone is in stark contradiction to the ancient-Kingdom of Paeonia located North of Macedonia, which practised pagan religion. Macedonians competed in the ancient Olympics games, self-Identified as Greeks and exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost points of the then known ancient-world.

FYRoM's claim...that they have resided in the region of Macedonia for 1,400 years automatically entitles them, gives them the right to call themselves Macedonian by the virtues of birth and location, flies in the face of what is actually known about them, that they are Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

To FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs I say this: Self-Identify as Macedonians in the Slavic sense and the regional-geographic sense, but dont take from the Greeks, elements from the cultural-heritage in order to pass them off as your own...these things never belonged to the Slavic race in the first place.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are under the primitive impression they are free to chose their own National-Identity, and free to write their own National-history...this is how they see things. Whilst the right to choose ones own National-Identity is valid, ethical-codes and moral-codes dictate that one cannot simply infringe on other peoples rights, peoples who's regional-tribal Identity and National-history clash and confict with the Identity you have just chosen and the history you have just written.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are under the primitive impression they
are Macedonians on the basis they have lived in the geographic-region of Macedonia for 1,400 years from since the first settlements of their Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic
ancestral-forebears. By the rights and virtues of land and birth, they consider they are entitled to Identify as they wish, as they feel and as they see fit. So they Self-Identify as Macedonians. At this juncture, one could be inclined to agree with their point of view, but all is not as it seems.

Yes, they have right to Identify as Macedonians in the geographic context, but they are not content with this...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to Self-Identify as ethnic-racial Macedonians, and cultural-linguistic Macedonians, and they want their National-history to reflect that.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are under the primitive impression they have ancestry rights to the ancient-Macedonians legacy,
so they scripted themselves a National-history which made ancient-Macedonians Slavic speakers and Alexander the Great a proto-Slavic hero. They named the ancient-Greek King of Macedon, Aleksandar Veliki and made him the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are under the primitive impression they can do all this as of right...to Rubbish Greek history and belittle Hellenism with impunity and without consequences!

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who learned nothing in primitive school but Turkic based Turanid histories and Slavic based Slavist histories...just pseudo-historical fantasies which connect Turkics to ancient-Trojans and Slavics to ancient-Macedonians.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs abused the right of Self-Identification the moment they opted to name themselves Macedonians, their country Macedonia, their Nationality Macedonian, their Language Macedonian and their Ethnicity Macedonian...Ethical codes and Moral Codes should have kicked-in to stop them from using a Greek-Hellenic name
to Identity with in the ethnic-racial sense and cultural-linguistic sense, when it is all but given, these Identity factors do not bode well with Slavs.

The Macedonian name is a Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name
first used by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples Millenia into the past, from since the days of King Karanus...applying it to South-Slavic peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian stock just flies in the face of what we know about them, that they are Slavs.

Applying the Macedonian name to a South-Slavic peoples does not make them Macedonians, at least, not in the ethnic or racial sense, nor does it make them Macedonians in the cultural-linguistic context, rather, it just simply makes them Macedonians in the geographic meaning of the word.

It makes them South-Slavs from Macedonia...or to be more precise, Serbians and Bulgarians from the greater region of Macedonia.

Real authentic Macedonians are the Greeks that still live within the boundaries of the old ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs calling themselves Macedonians is Ok with Greeks, but it riles Greeks and irks Greeks when these people taunt and mock Greeks and Hellenism respectively when they call themselves ethnic-racial Macedonians and cultural-linguistic Macedonians, when it is known at all the academic disciplines, they are none of these things.

To be Authentic-Macedonian, one needs to be Greek in the first place!

Other Macedonians exist and the Greeks ofcourse, realize that...that is why we strive for the day when FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs distinguish themselves from the real and proper Macedonians, the Greek speaking Hellenic ones.

The Slavic Tribes according to Byzantine historiographers settled the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula sometime around the top-end of the 6th Century AD. From that time onwards, that peninsula became their home, accomodating many Slavic peoples who's tribal-collectives then went on to develop their own ephemeral empires inside the Imperial territories of Byzantium.

Today, the Haemus [Balkan] Peninsula is home to many Slavic Nations...South-Slavic countries in their own right. Six of them were spawned very recently, from the break-up and disintegration of the old-Yugoslavia who's communist federation housed them all. Yugoslavia was actually formed in 1918 as the Kingdom of Serbs, the Croats, and the Slovenes, after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It was renamed to Yugoslavia in 1929. From this time onwards, right up until 1945 there was no Slavic country called Macedonia. It took a Croatian Communist dictator going by the name of Marshal Tito to create one.

After World War II, under the leadership of Marshal Tito, Yugoslavia became a Communist-led regime. On his death in 1980, Yugoslavia became unstable, the Communist party lost control there in 1990, and four of the six constituent republics (i) Slovenia, (ii) Croatia, (iii) Bosnia and Herzegovina, and (iv) FYR-Macedonia, declared independence a year later in 1991. Serbia and Montenegro, the last remaining states, abandoned the name Yugoslavia in 2003 and dissolved the federation entirely in 2006.

From this erratic political fluidity, instability, unpredictability and uncertainty...these Slavic country's now appear settled and wanting to carve out a future for themselves in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula. The only thing they share in common nowadays is Slavic their heritage, but for the exception of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, the only Slavic country amongst them which attempts to deny its Slavic origins.

From since 1991, when FYRoM entered onto the world stage, the people there have been told they are Macedonians with blood ties and ancestral roots to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greece and the Slavic country's in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula view FYRoM as a country in transition and in need of a National-Identity...an Identity that can sit comfortably next to Greeks, Albanians, Serbians and Bulgarians without causing ripples!

Herodotus relates the incident of the participation of Alexander I of Macedon in the Olympic Games in 504 or 500 BC where the participation of the Macedonian king was contested by participants on the grounds that he was not Greek. The Hellanodikai, however, after examining his Argead claim confirmed that the Macedonians were in fact Greek and allowed him to participate.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Seems to me like the Greeks didn't consider the Macedonians Greek, but after investigation found out that at least the royals were Greek. On the other hand based on the wiki page it's possible they then extended this to Macedonians as a whole.

Nick the Greek.

They were Greeks! Ok!

They Walked like Greeks and Talked like Greeks, but they were viewed by the more sophisticated Southern-Greeks as somewhat unrefined Northerners...but Greeks nevertheless!

No modern-peoples on this planet are closer to them than todays modern-Greeks.

The path of least resistance which connects ancient-peoples to modern-peoples flows through the Greeks and nobody else!

Slavic peoples claiming ancient-Macedonians for their ancestors is an afront and an Insult to the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

This is crystal clear, right!

The Idea that in the year 1991, a Slavic population living to the North of Greece would go against the mainstream and Identify themselves with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was never a consideration nor a possibility in the minds of the Greeks and some International strategists...on the grounds the racial difference between Greeks and Slavs would simply reject the Idea and not allow it to take root, but how wrong was that! With hindsight, the signals were there, and they should have been picked-up. In-fact, the vital signs were apparent as far back as in 1944 and 1945 respectively
when the Croatian Marshal Tito, the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia decided in 1944 to create a Macedonian-language
and then complimented that decision with the creation of a brand-new Socialist Republic of Macedonia just one year later in 1945.

What were the Greeks doing...Sleeping ???

No, the Greeks were Not Sleeping, they were fighting a bitter and fierce Ideological Civil War between Royalists and Communists. The Communists lost and fled Greece knowing full-well they would have faced charges of Treason and other crimes against the state. The Kingdom of Hellas lost more of it's population fighting the Communists than WWII fighting the Germans Italians and Bulgarians.

Greek Communists were willing to sell their Hellenic birthright to Slavs. Greek, Serb and Bulgarian Communists fought together to see the creation a Communist Macedonian state which if materialized, would have reduced Hellenic borders at Thessaly...enabling Bulgaria to take Eastern-Thrace and Slavdom to stake a claim to the Aegean Sea.

The Greeks fought bravely during WWII which reduced the country to poverty...Greeks fought more bravely immediately after WWII [1945-1949] during the Greek Civil War which devasted Greece more, utterly and completely.

Ask a Greek today, whether he trusts Slavs or Communists ???

The answer is predictable, right!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the progeny of those Greek and Slavic Communists who fought together in an attempt to take Macedonia away from Hellas. That Greek Communist componant sold their Hellenic birthright to Slavdom...they were willing to see their own country of birth shrink in size, to expand Slavdom with a more enlarged Bulgaria buffered from Greece by a Communist Macedonia.

I say again: Ask a Greek today, whether he trusts Slavs or Communists?

To end this silly non-debate, ex-prime minster of FYROM Georgievski, says that Alexander was Greek and that FYROM is the biggest counterfeiter of history today!








Last Edited by insertfunnyusername on 08/29/2012 09:53 AM

Macedonians are Greeks from since the days of King Karanus.
The Macedonian-name is a Greek-Hellenic name on the basis it was first used by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. If we are to accept that the primordial traits for categorizing tribal-affiliations, racial-characteristics, national-feelings and ethnic-pride are (i) written-language, (ii) religious-beliefs, (iii) racial-morphology, and (iv) culture-traditions, then there is no doubt...the ancient-Macedonians were Greek. They Walked like Greeks and they Talked like Greeks, be it with a Northern-accent and with a longer spear.

There are ways to prove Ownership over a name without having to Patent it first...this notion is a modern-concept used in modern-times to legitimize Ownership. Patents were not around during the Byzantine era but that did not inhibit Byzantine logic demonstrating Ownership. Greek ownership over that name was best demonstrated when the Macedonian-name was actually uprooted from it's original location and then shifted, lock stock and barrel to a completely new geographic location in Thrace...Theme-Macedonia tells all.

Had there existed a Patent-System during that time, the Byzantines would have Patented the Macedonian-name for certain, and for sole use.

Byzantine Logic governing Ownership over a Name...one needs only look at the New-World. There, you shall find European names transported over from the old-World to the New-World, mimmicking the same actions the Byzantines did, when they shifted the Macedonian name to a New location. Nobody dare
suggest Mississipi is Not a French Name, do they ???

More endless laughs coming!!
Seriously i pissed meself laughing with this one, what a sad sad bunch of counterfeiters, Bulgarian tv exposing the FYROM propaganda, with FYROM ex-PM, mayors, ambassadors talking about this madness.
They claim that they are a biblical land, that they invented the baroque of St.Peter in Rome, their gypsies call themselves the real Egyptians from the ancient times and they want to build a pyramid in their capitol about this, ex-pm calls Skopjie (capitol) a modern disneyland or Asterix in Paris, they even brought a dude with his wife from Pakistan with his wife calling them their king and descendants of Macedonians they gave him land too, loooool, crazy stuff. Recommended for everyone that had a rough day and wants a civilization laugh.
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The enlightened peoples of FYRoM...Yes, they do exist but in small numbers, they squirm at the Makedonist hysteria surrounding the fledgeling country's inexperianced approach at portraying, Illustrating, depicting and characterizing the country's National-Identity at the world stage level.

The enlightened peoples of FYRoM squirm at having to listen to their own country-men explain their ethno-origins in a multitude of ways...all them inconsistant and incpompatible with the previous one, making a total mockery out of the country's schools learning institutions and academies of state, including the scholars that teach in them.

The enlightened peoples of FYRoM writhe with agony at having to abide with constitional-policies which forbid them speaking-out about National-Identity matters...similar policies to those which have been enforced in the Turkish Republic for decades. In fact, in Turkey, the Turks forbid any talk or publication which can distort the country's written historical-narrative. Like their Turkish mentors, FYRoM's historians became mind-architects, specialist-propagandists and revisionist pseudo-historical rogue-scholars, they scripted a National-history that was so crude and so crass, it alarmed the worlds accredited historians proficient in the dissemination of Greco-Roman classicist history to reject it outright as revisionist pseudo-historical nonsense.

Like their Turkish counterparts, they wrote FYRoM a very unique National-history and nobody is permitted to alter it, question it, or distort what is written. Some of them regret ever taking part in that programme because of the damage it has caused them and their academic reputation.

The enlightened peoples of FYRoM squirm at having to now admit, that they were coerced under strict authoritarian conditions to take part in state initiated programmes to write FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures...which meant, rewriting the worlds long established mainstream historical-narrative to which all International accredited historians subscribe.

The enlightened peoples of FYRoM squirm with embarrassment at having to listen to their own country-men recite pseudo-scriptures they themselves were coerced into writing, under very strict authoritarian conditions. They realize now, the damage they have caused themselves and their country...they realize also that they cannot be absolved to free themselves from the guilt, the blame and the concequences of their actions.

The enlightened peoples of FYRoM squirm at having to admit they took part in one of Slavdoms greatest-most damaging actions against Hellenism and the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the concequences of which shall fester for years to come!

History cannot be undone simply by rewriting it!

He was gay, so he must be Greek.

[link to english.turkcebilgi.com] including Alexander the Great

[link to english.turkcebilgi.com] The Greek King of Macedon

Now tell again Abdul!

He was Greek because Turkcebilgi On-line Encyclopaedia says so, right!

Now go Tell the Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans...

...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians are Greek in the authentic sense and Slav in the geographic sense. The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...these are the unshifting fundamentals understood at the highest echelons of diplomatic office.

That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs perceive to have inalienable self-determination rights to that name goes far beyond their remit to exercise...for example: Simply acquiring, attributing or applying the Macedonian name to ones-self does not a Macedonian make because, to be Macedonian in the authentic sense, one needs to be Greek in the first place.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs tell us they have rights...by the virtues of land and by birth they perceive themselves to be Macedonian. By land and by birth they calculate, makes them ethnic-Macedonians in the racial sense, and in the cultural-linguistic sense on the basis, they live on Macedonian soil and speak a Macedonian-language.

Like I said before: Simply acquiring, attributing, applying that name to ones-self does not a Macedonian make...one needs to be Greek to be Macedonian, in the authentic sense of the word.

In reality...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians by land. They are Paeonians by land, ask the professionals, accredited historians, that know about ancient-geography.

In reality...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not speak a Macedonian language. The name of their language is properly called Serbo-Bulgarian language, ask the professionals, accredited linguists and philogists that know about ancient-languages.

Because the Macedonian name was aquired and then attributed to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs in 1944 - 1945 respectively, they have learned to apply it to themselves, their land and their language when it is known, all but given...these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

Like I said before: Simply Acquiring, Attributing, Applying the Macedonian name to ones-self does not a Macedonian make.

To be Macedonian, one needs to be Greek in the first place.
Authentic-Macedonians are the Greeks that remained loyal to Hellenism, and who still reside within the original boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece...

Can FYRoM ex-Yugoslavs really Rubbish This!

Much of FYRoM's Slavic-speaking population are of Bulgarian descent that evidently, still speak a Western-Bulgarian dialect...one might call them Former Yugoslavs of Bulgarian ancestry who consider Alexander the Great their ancestor.
These Slavic speaking peoples today are found claiming historical continuity to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, much to the dismay of the Greeks and the International academic community.

Greeks nevertheless, are still willing to concede that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should continue to use the ethnonym Macedonian as regional definition, on the basis it should have a geographic-qualifier in front to distinguish them, to separate them and to differentiate them from the Greeks that still reside in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Greeks consider as inappropraite...Slavic speaking peoples from FYRoM Identifying themselves with their autochthonous Identity on the basis of an acquired name.

The ancient-lands of Paeonia is where most of FYRoM sits on today. Their capital-city Skopje though, sits on ancient-Dardanian lands...it should be noted that these are places where Alexander the Great never set-foot, whilst in Greece, the modern Province of Macedonia there, still encompasses much the same territories as it did during antiquity.

FYRoM is the land of make-belief, where faux-historians, pseudo-historians and part-time archaelogists transform outright-lies into official history, where the mainstream reality is done away with and replaced with Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology who's beginnings can be traced back to the advent of the Bulgarian-Exarchate.

As if the signals could be any more illuminating, the message they emit is crystal-clear. With FYRoM being Ignored, kept at arms length, kept at a distance, shoved-up a siding and generally treated like the great unwashed, the message those signals are sending out should be deciphered properly and understood at political level.

With the EU - UN - USA - NATO and the International academic community all saying the same thing...the message is absolutely clear. FYRoM must compromise in it's name dispute with Greece over the correct use of the Macedonian name.

Greece champions the mainstream view, that the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...two basic and unflinching positions Greece has maintained from since the start of the dispute. Greece has the support of those world bodies and global institutions listed above, in their eyes, Greece holds the moral high-ground.

It's hard to see where FYRoM can go to from here!

The answer ofcourse, is this: FYRoM goes nowhere, it stays where it is indefinately...shoved-up a siding, Ignored, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about their ethno-racial, cultural and linguistic origins.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are proper bona-fide South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, we know it, Serbs know it, and Bulgarians know it...It's time the peoples in FYRoM are told the truth, and in no uncertain terms where their real history and heritage lay.

Macedonians are Greek in the authentic-sense and Slav in the geographic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs arbitrarily calling themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense is not only problematic...it is confusing, not least to their own children, pupils and students who have been raised to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Macedonia: Where Does FYRoM Go To From Here!

FYRoM goes Nowhere but back to school...back to revisit those classroom lessons to relearn important stuff about their past and about their origins, where they really come from and such like questions, but most importantly, they need to relearn their Slavic history and heritage.

The EU - UN - USA - NATO and the International academic community support Greece in regards to the long running name dispute between the two country's. In their eyes...Greece holds the Moral and Academic high ground.

So, where does FYRoM go to from here...absolutely Nowhere!

FYRoM stays exactly where it is...stuck up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about their Slavic origins and about Slavic heritage.

Probing questions need to be answered in order for them to learn absolutely how both their origins and their heritage, cannot possibly interface with either Hellenism or antiquity.

The re-education of FYRoM must be outsourced...preferably to a friendly Slavic country willing to do the undertaking, only in this way could the children there relearn the truth about themselves their origins and their heritage.

If just one FYRoM-child out of a hundred, finds out the truth about himself, about his real ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic origins, how must that child feel, watching his paternal and maternal extended family-members confess their affiliations to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Lonely, very lonely and very alone, right!

If just one FYRoM-child out of a hundred, learns the truth about himself, about his Slavic history and heritage, how is that child supposed to react hearing his Mother and Father confessing blood-ties to ancient-Greeks.

Lonely, very lonely, right!

If just one FYRoM-child out of a hundred, bothered to self-teach himself the concise-history of the Greek-Hellenic peoples, how should that child react when he finds out his whole existence is based on a lie.

Lonely, very very lonely, right!

In FYRoM today, exists a sporadic number of enlightened young people who know...through their own academic efforts, through their own pursuits of universal knowledge, that the ancient-Macedonians were indeed and in-fact a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

How difficult must it be for these young people to see and hear their own country-men, their own Maternal - Paternal kins-folk discard their Slavic-heritage for a Hellenic one...one they cannot possible have on the basis of wrong race, and wrong language.

The ancient-Macedonians belong to the Hellenic race and their Centum language...the same!

How difficult must it be knowing this and not being able to express it inside your own country for fear of being cast anti-Macedonian!

In FYRoM today exists an ever increasing number of young enlightened individuals, who through their own academic efforts have learned the truth about themselves...they know
they are from Slavic stock and they also know about the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Only one country holds the Moral and Academic high ground in the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece. It has to be said...the UN - EU - USA - NATO and the International Academic community support Greece on the matter. Those world bodies and global Institutions know that Macedonians have always been Greek and that Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. There is really Nowhere for FYRoM to go with this! The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise in order to find a proper more suitable name for itself as a country. The people there could still call themselves Macedonians, as in Macedonian-Slavs, that live in a country called Paeonia for example...or Northern-Makedonija!

FYRoM has proven to be a very hostile country towards Greece, harbouring very resentful bitter people who do not shy away from showing their utter contempt for Greeks and Hellenism, spouting their anti-Hellenic jibes and anti-Western rhetoric at every given opportunity but these things just distance FYRoM further away from those Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures it says it aspires to join.

FYRoM has to resolve the name issue with Greece if the country is to join the West...that means they have to recognize and acknowledge that Macedonians are Hellenic in the authentic-sense of the word, and Slavic in the geographic-sense, as in, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs living in a geographic space called Macedonia where the people there
are not permitted to accentuate their ignorance by claiming ethnic-racial Identity from an otherwise geographic-Identity.

FYRoM has taken us to the brink...this new Slavic country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula scripted themselves a National-history so crude and so crass, it goes head to head, clashes and conflicts with the mainstream, the long established mainstream historical narrative.

Don't they know...History is a science, an academic discipline. What historians do is write history to correspond, to be in step, in sequence, and in time-line accordance with other peoples histories, and they do all of this on the basis of facts, primary sources and archaelogical evidence.

Historians do not work alone, they have to check the compatibility of their works against the works of Archaelogists, Linguists, ancient-Geographers Demographers and Ethnographers...all of these academic disciplines found the Material-Culture of the ancient-Macedonians to be Greek-Hellenic and Nothing else.

If the Slavonic peoples existed and were around in close proximity to the ancient-Greek world...they would have left us something of their Material-Culture, but they didn't!

The 6th Century AD is when we get to find out about the Slavonic peoples...through the historians of that time.

To preempt the next question...Historians of that era told us alot about all the foreign peoples they met that came into contact with Greeks, before the Slavs and after them. We know for instance that the Slavs were not settled in the Greek world during the time of the Gothic-Invasions of Europe nor were they around during the times of Atila the Hun and his Hunnic Invasions of Europe.

Evidently, Slavs are a great peoples...but they are Not Macedonians!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...we know this from the written historical narrative and from the Material and Cultural evidence they left behind.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have poisoned the atmosphere between Greek and Slavs by claiming Alexander the Great the first Czar of the Slavs. Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they equate themselves to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Only in their minds do they see themselves as Macedonians, the rest of the world see them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

By calling themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, they are deluding not just themselves but their children pupils and students.

By calling themselves Macedonians in the cultural-linguistic sense, they are condemning their children pupils and students to a life of ridicule punishment and torment...for every Western educated person knows the Macedonians to be Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

The chances of FYRoM attaining recognition on the basis it is a modern newly established Slavic country peopled by Macedonians, the modern heirs and inheritors of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity is pretty remote...yet this is what they are striving for, International recognition that they a Nation of Macedonians.

A Nation of Macedonians outside of the Greek-Hellenoc core has never existed in historical verity...to create one now, in the modern era would be anathema for Greeks and a travesty to the long established mainstream historical narrative.

To create a country called Macedonia now, would bring into being a Nation peopled by Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, they would be calling themselves ethnic-Macedonians, and calling their Serbo-Bulgarian language - Macedonian-language.

To create a Nation of Macedonians now, who's ethnogenic origins are known to hail from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, flies in the face of what we know about Macedonians...that they are Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus >3 Millennia into the past.

Really, what are the chances of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs getting recognition, as a modern Nation of Macedonians claiming Alexander the Great for their ancestor.

No chance...right!

right!

Population dynamics dictate that populations increase during prolonged periods of sustained peace and prosperity. Personal private wealth proves the opposite as people tend to procreate less, having fewer children the more wealthy they become.

The Greek (Haemus) peninsula is the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the azimuth of their number is estimated at approximately 25 Million, taking into consideration the known number of ancient-Greek City-States and Kingdoms and then multiplying the mean average population minus the calculated allocation of slaves per household or holding.

Greeks are a proven dominant - resiliant peoples...they have survived through the Millenniums of Wars, Famines and Catastrophes. Greece today is home to approximately 9.8Million Greeks. The Greek diasporas are a calculated to equal that number. Today, there are approximately 20 Million Greeks globally - world-wide.

One has to ask: Can FYRoM seriously mess with these peoples with impunity and without concequences ???

So what are the chances of FYRoM attaining recognition on the basis it is a thoroughly modern newly established Slavic country peopled by Macedonians, the modern heirs and inheritors of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...it has to be pretty remote right! yet this is exactly what they are striving for, International recognition, that they are a Macedonian-Nation peopled by Macedonians.

Note: A Nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism and the Greek-Hellenic core has never existed in historical verity, to create one now is anathema for Greeks and a travesty to the long established mainstream historical narrative. To create a country called Macedonia now, would bring into being, a Nation peopled by Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, they would be calling themselves ethnic-Macedonians, and calling their Serbo-Bulgarian language - Macedonian-language. To create a Nation of Macedonians now, who's ethnogenic origins are known to hail from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, flies in the face of what is known about Macedonians...that they are a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus more than three Millennia into the past.

So what are the chances really...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs aquiring International recognition legitimizing them as a bona-fide modern Nation of Macedonians, claiming Alexander the Great for their ancestor. No chance right! There is absolutely No chance FYRoM attaining recognition as the successor Nation to the ancient-Macedonian legacy, on the basis, the West ditched FYRoM from since the start of the American Obama administration.

Worst was yet to come when FYRoM's best friend and sole benefactor Turkey, came into conflict with Israel destroying their long-time strategic partnership-alliance. FYRoM benefitted from that Turko-Israeli strategic partnership-alliance on the basis, global media assets were made available to spread the word, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians and that Greeks are Sub-Saharan Africans.

How things have changed! FYRoM fell from grace losing International sympathy and support for it's cause. FYRoM is now a small insignificant little country in the Balkans that nobody is prepared to touch or sit next to...shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, until the people there learn to repect their neighbours and learn also, the ethnogenic truth about themselves and the Greek [Haemus] peninsula on which they reside.

Macedonia is historically Greek-Hellenic territory. The Macedonia of old was an ancient-Greek Kingdom but today it is a geographic-region, more enlarged and extended from the original boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom. Today, that greater geographic-region of Macedonia is found divided-up between Greece (51%), FYRoM (38%), Bulgaria (9%) and Albania (1%). That 51% of greater-Macedonia was redeemed by Greece (1913) from the Ottoman Empire, it encompasses the original boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. As Greece has already named its provinces (i) Western Macedonia, (ii) Central Macedonia and (iii) Eastern Macedonia - Thrace, FYRoM is found restricted to the use of "Northern-Macedonia" or "Upper-Macedonia" if it so wishes to distinguish - differentiate itself from Greek-Macedonia. The name is one subject, Identity and language is quite another.

To fix the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, FYRoM could opt for "Northern-Macedonia," making the inhabitants there Northern-Macedonians in terms of Nationality. In terms of Identity and language...those factors would remain Slavic. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs would then become Slavic (Makedonski) speaking Northern-Macedonians with Nationality to match. Ethnic-Identity would be (Makedonci) Macedonian, of the Northern-variety.

Because FYRoM buttresses up to the peripheries of original-Macedonia, that fact does not give them the right to usurp the regions-name or annex the regions cultural-heritage or claim the regions historical-legacy. Just as Slovenia is buttressed-up against Italy, it is still inhibited from usurping latin-Roman regional-names, annexing Italy's cultural-heritage or claiming famous ancient-Roman hero's for their own ancestors of choice.

FYRoM needs to understand that the past cannot be undone simply by rewriting history...the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Idenity belongs to Greek-heritage, irrespective of who represents them today in the modern-age. Everyone who is remotely familiar with ancient-Greek history knows, the ancient-Macedonians self-Identified with Hellenism, simply put, the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM today simply does not have the right to Rubbish that fact.

Alexander the Great was the Greek-Hellenic King of Macedon, it says so in all of the worlds respected encylcopaedias.He was Not Slavic nor the first Czar of Slavs...in fact, the Slavs with their Satem-language were nowhere near Macedonia until almost a Millennium later. Slavs were late arrivals to the area and into the annals of our common European history book. The 6th Century AD is when historians first recorded them entering the Greek (Haemus) peninsula along with the Avaro-Hunnic - Bulgar tribes. Note: Those foreign exogenous tribal-peoples from the steppes of Asia and beyond, did not come into the Greek world as Macedonians, that name was unknown to them. Macedonia(n) and such like regional Greek-Identities have established archaic pre-biblical meaning in the Greek lexicon, used continuously from since Milleniums into the past, so it's a bit rich having to hear FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Rubbish the Macedonian name in the way that they do.

It has to be understood...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they are Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock erroneously calling themselves Macedonians for all the wrong reason. They are Not Macedonians, either ethnically or racially. They are Not Macedonians, either culturally or linguistically, and they are certainly Not Macedonians either by land or by birth. This brings us neatly back to the geographic area known in antiquity as Paeonia...Why would FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs, the peoples who live there right now, call themselves Macedonians and their land Macedonia and why would they abduct a uniquely-Greek hero-figure and claim him for their ancestor, why did they make him their National-hero when it is known, all but given, Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon.

It is a widespread misconception, a myth that FYRoM is located in Macedonia proper...it is Not. The peoples there lacking academic ability and historical knowledge, confuse latin-Roman administrative namings with the ancient-region. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is situated entirely in Northern-Greece. FYRoM is primarily situated in a region named Paeonia in antiquity. Paeonians were a distinct Native and Indigenous peoples before they Hellenized, they left the modern world No heirs to inherit their legacy. FYRoM could have that name, that ethnicity, that nationality and that language name without fuss or hindrance from the Greeks!

The Slavic presence in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula is legitimized through the Bulgarians. It was those early Bulgar people, along with the Avaro-Hunnic tribes that ushered them in, surreptitiously, to the Greco-Roman world. For 1,400 years, Slavs have been living next to Greeks, that is quite long enough for them to know their neighbours.

Modern South-Slavs can trace their existence to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula from since the 6th Century AD. Back then, FYRoM's ancestors used their own Bulgaro-Slavic tribal names and Identities, the Macedonian name was unkown to them. 1,400 years of continuously living next to Greeks, does not entitle Slavs to adopt or usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for themselves whilst there are still Greek carriers of that name that stayed loyal to Hellenism.
The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and the Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Slavs cannot take these Identity factors to build a National Identity for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...those Identity factors are the cultural-inheritance of the Greeks.

We need to understand that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians in the Greek sense of the word. Even if they espouse to having blood ties to Macedonians, that fact alone would still only make them partially Greek, entitling them to partial-Greek ancestral and inheritence rights. But how do we explore that possibility, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are connected through blood ties to the classical Macedonians from antiquity.

There were No Macedonians at the 6th Century AD like there were No Spartans, No Corinthians, No Thessalians, No Athenians on the basis, all of these ancient-archaic names and Identities gave way to one common Supra-National Identity that was used all over Byzantium Eastern-Rome...Romios! Slavs, FYRoM's ancestors at the 6th Century AD met Romioi Eastern-Romans, Not Macedonians. If the Slavic tribes cross-fertilized with them, the end result would have produced a hybrid Greco-Slavic population. It is entirely feasable then, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs may carry the blood and Dna of this union between those early Slavic tribes and the local Romioi Greek-Byzantines they met and intermingled with, at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.
FYRoM's claim to Macedonian ancestry pale in comparison to the Greek one, for they could only ever espouse partial-Greek connections to them, whereas Greek claims to the Macedonian-name and the Macedonian-legacy are legitimized on the basis, todays Greeks are the closest modern-peoples to them...fraternally, linguistically, geographically, historically and in all the other ways that matter to historian scholars and academics alike.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were serious in wanting to resolve their issues with Greeks, they would acknowledge Alexander the Great as the Greek King of Macedon and recognize in no uncertain terms the ancient-Macedonians as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, then, and only then, could they claim partial-Greek ancestry, entitling them to partial inheritance rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.Through their as yet unproven, partial-Greek connections, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could espouse to having some form of Secondary-Macedonian status...like in the latin-Roman designation, Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris.

What FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot have is what they covet the most...the Macedonian name for Country name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity. It is impossible for Hellenism to accept this when Greeks reserve the right to keep the Macedonian name in the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity to Greek heritage.

Wow!

Hello there. What a bunch of dsperate housewifes!




This should be enough for 30 moe replies!!!




Greetings from Republic of Macedonia.