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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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FYRoM has taken us to the brink...this new Slavic country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula scripted themselves a National-history so crude and so crass, it goes head to head, clashes and conflicts with the mainstream, the long established mainstream historical narrative.

Don't they know...History is a science, an academic discipline. What historians do is write history to correspond, to be in step, in sequence, and in time-line accordance with other peoples histories, and they do all of this on the basis of facts, primary sources and archaelogical evidence.

Historians do not work alone, they have to check the compatibility of their works against the works of Archaelogists, Linguists, ancient-Geographers Demographers and Ethnographers...all of these academic disciplines found the Material-Culture of the ancient-Macedonians to be Greek-Hellenic and Nothing else.

If the Slavonic peoples existed and were around in close proximity to the ancient-Greek world...they would have left us something of their Material-Culture, but they didn't!

The 6th Century AD is when we get to find out about the Slavonic peoples...through the historians of that time.

To preempt the next question...Historians of that era told us alot about all the foreign peoples they met that came into contact with Greeks, before the Slavs and after them. We know for instance that the Slavs were not settled in the Greek world during the time of the Gothic-Invasions of Europe nor were they around during the times of Atila the Hun and his Hunnic Invasions of Europe.

Evidently, Slavs are a great peoples...but they are Not Macedonians!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...we know this from the written historical narrative and from the Material and Cultural evidence they left behind.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have poisoned the atmosphere between Greek and Slavs by claiming Alexander the Great the first Czar of the Slavs. Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they equate themselves to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Only in their minds do they see themselves as Macedonians, the rest of the world see them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

By calling themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, they are deluding not just themselves but their children pupils and students.

By calling themselves Macedonians in the cultural-linguistic sense, they are condemning their children pupils and students to a life of ridicule punishment and torment...for every Western educated person knows the Macedonians to be Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.
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09/08/2012 04:52 AM
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The chances of FYRoM attaining recognition on the basis it is a modern newly established Slavic country peopled by Macedonians, the modern heirs and inheritors of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity is pretty remote...yet this is what they are striving for, International recognition that they a Nation of Macedonians.

A Nation of Macedonians outside of the Greek-Hellenoc core has never existed in historical verity...to create one now, in the modern era would be anathema for Greeks and a travesty to the long established mainstream historical narrative.

To create a country called Macedonia now, would bring into being a Nation peopled by Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, they would be calling themselves ethnic-Macedonians, and calling their Serbo-Bulgarian language - Macedonian-language.

To create a Nation of Macedonians now, who's ethnogenic origins are known to hail from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, flies in the face of what we know about Macedonians...that they are Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus >3 Millennia into the past.

Really, what are the chances of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs getting recognition, as a modern Nation of Macedonians claiming Alexander the Great for their ancestor.

No chance...right!
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09/08/2012 05:33 AM
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Nick the Greek
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09/08/2012 07:38 AM
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Population dynamics dictate that populations increase during prolonged periods of sustained peace and prosperity. Personal private wealth proves the opposite as people tend to procreate less, having fewer children the more wealthy they become.

The Greek (Haemus) peninsula is the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the azimuth of their number is estimated at approximately 25 Million, taking into consideration the known number of ancient-Greek City-States and Kingdoms and then multiplying the mean average population minus the calculated allocation of slaves per household or holding.

Greeks are a proven dominant - resiliant peoples...they have survived through the Millenniums of Wars, Famines and Catastrophes. Greece today is home to approximately 9.8Million Greeks. The Greek diasporas are a calculated to equal that number. Today, there are approximately 20 Million Greeks globally - world-wide.

One has to ask: Can FYRoM seriously mess with these peoples with impunity and without concequences ???

So what are the chances of FYRoM attaining recognition on the basis it is a thoroughly modern newly established Slavic country peopled by Macedonians, the modern heirs and inheritors of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...it has to be pretty remote right! yet this is exactly what they are striving for, International recognition, that they are a Macedonian-Nation peopled by Macedonians.

Note: A Nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism and the Greek-Hellenic core has never existed in historical verity, to create one now is anathema for Greeks and a travesty to the long established mainstream historical narrative. To create a country called Macedonia now, would bring into being, a Nation peopled by Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, they would be calling themselves ethnic-Macedonians, and calling their Serbo-Bulgarian language - Macedonian-language. To create a Nation of Macedonians now, who's ethnogenic origins are known to hail from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, flies in the face of what is known about Macedonians...that they are a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus more than three Millennia into the past.

So what are the chances really...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs aquiring International recognition legitimizing them as a bona-fide modern Nation of Macedonians, claiming Alexander the Great for their ancestor. No chance right! There is absolutely No chance FYRoM attaining recognition as the successor Nation to the ancient-Macedonian legacy, on the basis, the West ditched FYRoM from since the start of the American Obama administration.

Worst was yet to come when FYRoM's best friend and sole benefactor Turkey, came into conflict with Israel destroying their long-time strategic partnership-alliance. FYRoM benefitted from that Turko-Israeli strategic partnership-alliance on the basis, global media assets were made available to spread the word, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians and that Greeks are Sub-Saharan Africans.

How things have changed! FYRoM fell from grace losing International sympathy and support for it's cause. FYRoM is now a small insignificant little country in the Balkans that nobody is prepared to touch or sit next to...shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, until the people there learn to repect their neighbours and learn also, the ethnogenic truth about themselves and the Greek [Haemus] peninsula on which they reside.
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Macedonia is historically Greek-Hellenic territory. The Macedonia of old was an ancient-Greek Kingdom but today it is a geographic-region, more enlarged and extended from the original boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom. Today, that greater geographic-region of Macedonia is found divided-up between Greece (51%), FYRoM (38%), Bulgaria (9%) and Albania (1%). That 51% of greater-Macedonia was redeemed by Greece (1913) from the Ottoman Empire, it encompasses the original boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. As Greece has already named its provinces (i) Western Macedonia, (ii) Central Macedonia and (iii) Eastern Macedonia - Thrace, FYRoM is found restricted to the use of "Northern-Macedonia" or "Upper-Macedonia" if it so wishes to distinguish - differentiate itself from Greek-Macedonia. The name is one subject, Identity and language is quite another.

To fix the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, FYRoM could opt for "Northern-Macedonia," making the inhabitants there Northern-Macedonians in terms of Nationality. In terms of Identity and language...those factors would remain Slavic. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs would then become Slavic (Makedonski) speaking Northern-Macedonians with Nationality to match. Ethnic-Identity would be (Makedonci) Macedonian, of the Northern-variety.

Because FYRoM buttresses up to the peripheries of original-Macedonia, that fact does not give them the right to usurp the regions-name or annex the regions cultural-heritage or claim the regions historical-legacy. Just as Slovenia is buttressed-up against Italy, it is still inhibited from usurping latin-Roman regional-names, annexing Italy's cultural-heritage or claiming famous ancient-Roman hero's for their own ancestors of choice.

FYRoM needs to understand that the past cannot be undone simply by rewriting history...the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Idenity belongs to Greek-heritage, irrespective of who represents them today in the modern-age. Everyone who is remotely familiar with ancient-Greek history knows, the ancient-Macedonians self-Identified with Hellenism, simply put, the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM today simply does not have the right to Rubbish that fact.
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09/08/2012 04:43 PM
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Alexander the Great was the Greek-Hellenic King of Macedon, it says so in all of the worlds respected encylcopaedias.He was Not Slavic nor the first Czar of Slavs...in fact, the Slavs with their Satem-language were nowhere near Macedonia until almost a Millennium later. Slavs were late arrivals to the area and into the annals of our common European history book. The 6th Century AD is when historians first recorded them entering the Greek (Haemus) peninsula along with the Avaro-Hunnic - Bulgar tribes. Note: Those foreign exogenous tribal-peoples from the steppes of Asia and beyond, did not come into the Greek world as Macedonians, that name was unknown to them. Macedonia(n) and such like regional Greek-Identities have established archaic pre-biblical meaning in the Greek lexicon, used continuously from since Milleniums into the past, so it's a bit rich having to hear FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Rubbish the Macedonian name in the way that they do.

It has to be understood...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they are Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock erroneously calling themselves Macedonians for all the wrong reason. They are Not Macedonians, either ethnically or racially. They are Not Macedonians, either culturally or linguistically, and they are certainly Not Macedonians either by land or by birth. This brings us neatly back to the geographic area known in antiquity as Paeonia...Why would FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs, the peoples who live there right now, call themselves Macedonians and their land Macedonia and why would they abduct a uniquely-Greek hero-figure and claim him for their ancestor, why did they make him their National-hero when it is known, all but given, Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon.

It is a widespread misconception, a myth that FYRoM is located in Macedonia proper...it is Not. The peoples there lacking academic ability and historical knowledge, confuse latin-Roman administrative namings with the ancient-region. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is situated entirely in Northern-Greece. FYRoM is primarily situated in a region named Paeonia in antiquity. Paeonians were a distinct Native and Indigenous peoples before they Hellenized, they left the modern world No heirs to inherit their legacy. FYRoM could have that name, that ethnicity, that nationality and that language name without fuss or hindrance from the Greeks!
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09/09/2012 04:58 AM
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The Slavic presence in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula is legitimized through the Bulgarians. It was those early Bulgar people, along with the Avaro-Hunnic tribes that ushered them in, surreptitiously, to the Greco-Roman world. For 1,400 years, Slavs have been living next to Greeks, that is quite long enough for them to know their neighbours.

Modern South-Slavs can trace their existence to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula from since the 6th Century AD. Back then, FYRoM's ancestors used their own Bulgaro-Slavic tribal names and Identities, the Macedonian name was unkown to them. 1,400 years of continuously living next to Greeks, does not entitle Slavs to adopt or usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for themselves whilst there are still Greek carriers of that name that stayed loyal to Hellenism.
The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and the Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Slavs cannot take these Identity factors to build a National Identity for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...those Identity factors are the cultural-inheritance of the Greeks.

We need to understand that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians in the Greek sense of the word. Even if they espouse to having blood ties to Macedonians, that fact alone would still only make them partially Greek, entitling them to partial-Greek ancestral and inheritence rights. But how do we explore that possibility, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are connected through blood ties to the classical Macedonians from antiquity.

There were No Macedonians at the 6th Century AD like there were No Spartans, No Corinthians, No Thessalians, No Athenians on the basis, all of these ancient-archaic names and Identities gave way to one common Supra-National Identity that was used all over Byzantium Eastern-Rome...Romios! Slavs, FYRoM's ancestors at the 6th Century AD met Romioi Eastern-Romans, Not Macedonians. If the Slavic tribes cross-fertilized with them, the end result would have produced a hybrid Greco-Slavic population. It is entirely feasable then, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs may carry the blood and Dna of this union between those early Slavic tribes and the local Romioi Greek-Byzantines they met and intermingled with, at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.
FYRoM's claim to Macedonian ancestry pale in comparison to the Greek one, for they could only ever espouse partial-Greek connections to them, whereas Greek claims to the Macedonian-name and the Macedonian-legacy are legitimized on the basis, todays Greeks are the closest modern-peoples to them...fraternally, linguistically, geographically, historically and in all the other ways that matter to historian scholars and academics alike.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were serious in wanting to resolve their issues with Greeks, they would acknowledge Alexander the Great as the Greek King of Macedon and recognize in no uncertain terms the ancient-Macedonians as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, then, and only then, could they claim partial-Greek ancestry, entitling them to partial inheritance rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.Through their as yet unproven, partial-Greek connections, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could espouse to having some form of Secondary-Macedonian status...like in the latin-Roman designation, Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris.

What FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot have is what they covet the most...the Macedonian name for Country name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity. It is impossible for Hellenism to accept this when Greeks reserve the right to keep the Macedonian name in the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity to Greek heritage.
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Wow!

Hello there. What a bunch of dsperate housewifes!




This should be enough for 30 moe replies!!!




Greetings from Republic of Macedonia.
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[link to www.macedonia.co.uk] For a nation to preserve its own national language and to protect it as something sacred means that it remains loyal to the spirit of its ancestors and respectful for what they had created...These words were spoken by a [self-declared] Bulgarian Patriot going by the name of Krste Misirkov.

[link to www.misirkov.org] In 1903, before the Balkan Wars, Krste Misirkov wrote a book called "About Macedonian Matters." FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs consider him one of their founding forefathers.

[link to www.macedoniainfo.com] Self decalred Bulgarian Patriot.

[link to www.misirkov.org] Interesting to note: He wrote his book using the Bulgarian Cyrillic Script...his native language.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim him as one of their own...a Macedonian!

Clearly, something is wrong. Krste Misirkov declared himself a Patriotic Bulgarian but FYRoM claims him as a Macedonian when clearly he was Not, he was Bulgarian.

Evidently there exists a blurriness clouding FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic ancestral heritage. They claim a self-declared Bulgarian as one of their own...the same way they claim a self-declared Greek, Alexander the Great, the ancient-Greek King of Macedon.

In reality, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are ethnic and racial South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. In plain terms and simple language: They are Not the Macedonians they think they are.

As for their so called Macedonian-language: It is characterised by a system of 31 phonemes and by a rather fixed accent that should fall upon the antepenultimate syllable. It has developed the analytic perfect with the auxiliary 'have.' It is also characterised by a system of three kinds of definite articles (as in the examples knigava, meaning "the book near me"; knigata, meaning "the book"; and knigana, meaning "the book over there"), which is one of the number of features that Macedonian and Bulgarian share and that are unique among the Slavic languages. Other features include the loss of cases, and a large variety of verb tenses. The verb also has witnessed and non-witnessed forms. Like Bulgarian and Serbian, Macedonian has a large number of borrowings from the Turkish language and a significant number from the Greek language.

From the Information gleaned above...we can safely conclude by saying this:FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are. They are Not Macedonians in the Greek sense of the word but Slavic Serbo-Bulgarians, in speech and by genous.
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If a dissident breakaway separatist group today, decided to secede from an established Slavic country or Turkic country in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, and then went on to declare their new state "The Republic of Sparta," how should the Greeks react. Would the EU - UN - USA - NATO tell Greece to put-up and shut-up, and accept the new reality because this new state has the inviolable right to declare it's chosen name freely on the basis of the feelings and the wishes of it's peoples. So, "The Republic of Sparta" comes into existence and touts for global sympathy and support which is freely given followed by semi-quasi recognition by America prompting other's to follow suite...how should the Greeks react to these surreal developments.

The scenario above is not that far remove from the real events which took place following the break-up and disintegration of the old-Yugoslavia...these events ushered in, onto the world stage, a Socialist Republic that went by the name of Macedonia in the Federation of South-Slavic states. Come 1991, the Slavs of FYRoM decided to drop the "Socialist" part of their name to become The Republic of Macedonia.

Note: Spartans and Macedonians derive from the same Dorian Hellenic stock, and affiliate to the Greek collective of peoples from since Milleniums into the past.

In the case of the Spartan example...who would have the front or the gall to want to take that name for self-Identification, knowing they are Not derived from Greeks. Nobody would entertain such indulgence, such folly and such silliness.

In the case of the FYRoM example...the West entertained their indulgence, their folly and their silliness on the basis of faulty substandard, ill though-out advice that was issued to GW Bush in 2004 by his highly paid advisors, the best brains money could buy. They advised George to recognise FYRoM as Republic of Macedonia at the expense and exclusion of Greek concerns.

Politics eh! Politicians eh! It took scholars and academics to put politicians in their place. The international academic community backed Greece whilst politicians backed FYRoM. The rest is history! FYRoM went from being showered with Western sympathies and support to being ditched...on the basis, politicians cannot ride roughshod over academia.
Macedonians like the Spartans are derived from Dorian Greeks and academia knows that...their regional-tribal names belong in the Greek domain whilst their Identities belong to Greek heritage.

It took alot of front, alot of bottle and alot of gall to do what FYRoM did...tell the world they are Macedonians on the basis they speak Macedonian and live on Macedonian lands
when none of this is true. In reality they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. They speak a language properly called Serbo-Bulgarian than Macedonian. They live on Paeonian - Dardanian lands.

Greeks have to defend and protect their history-heritage because if we didn't do that...politicians would make Macedonians out of South-Slavs, not for academic or political correctness but for the expediance of it.
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The Macedonian name dispute not only relates to matters of Identity, it also relates to ancestral cultural property, such as flags and symbols, historical matters and even trade-commercial matters relating to specific products, not to mention provocations. From the Greek point of view, it is totally unreasonable, inconsiderate and unacceptable for FYRoM's Slavs to stake a claim to the entire cultural, historical and geographic legacy of Macedonia on the basis, they are different race.

Slavs came and settled the Greek (Haemus) peninsula region at the top-end of the 6th Century A.D. when Alexander the Great had already been dead and buried for almost a Millennium. It has to be understood, FYRoM cannot wantonly adopt, usurp or monopolize all things Macedonian on the basis of a whim and a prayer. A single name that includes the term Macedonia alongside a geographic connotation should be found in order to distinguish them, the Slavic-Macedonians from the Greek originals.

From the Greek perspective, FYRoM is doing the best it can to cast Greece in bad light. The only country in Europe to belittle Hellenism's contributions to world history and always the first country to Rubbish Greeks with negativisms. From the Greek point of view, FYRoM is evidently a rabidly anti-Hellenic country and very hostile towards Greece and Greeks, something which has been noted at the highest echelons of diplomatic office.

Hellenic people cannot sit Idly-by watching FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs belittle Hellenism, ridicule Hellas and humiliate Greeks with impunity and without concequences. There is a cut-off point to their Silliness and it has laready been breached.
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FYRoM is unable to convince the outside-world that the people there are Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM is unable to convince the outside-world that the language they speak is Macedonian, the language spoken by Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM is unable to convince the outside-world that the land they reside on is Macedonian-land, the Kingdom of Macedon, the land of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity.

FYRoM is unable to convince the outside-world to recognize the people there as real Macedonians like they way they want to be recognized...as Macedonian-speaking Macedonians from Macedonia.

FYRoM tried very hard but failed. In November 2004, the International community took the diplomatic approach based on Americas lead and recognized them, FYRoM, as RoM on bi-lilateral basis...solely on a one to one basis, for trade and commercial reasons and for bi-lateral ties only. None of those countries that recognized them in the bilateral-sense recognize them as the modern heirs and inheritors of Alexander the Great's Macedonians with ancestral historical and cultural rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

FYRoM was left to wallow in it's own nostalgia for far too long. The people there were left free to talk and to write about the old-times, their collective-memories and past experiences...all of them fabriacted in reminiscence and in remider of an ancient-past.

FYRoM is unable even now, to convince the outside-world that they are something different to the Serbian-Bulgarian South-Slavic collective to which they belong, ethnically - racially - culturally - linguistically...

...so why the pretence!

Why does FYRoM continue with this pretensious, farcicle and sometimes theatrical side-show, put-on, staged to persuade and convince the outside-world to recognize them as real and proper Macedonians...the sole and legal modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity when clearly they are Not.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the tin...they are blood-kin South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock with no proven links or connections to the real Greek speaking Hellenic Macedonians of old!

To FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs I say this: Stop the Pretence and apologise immediately to the Greek-Hellenic peoples, whom you ridicule and humiliate, and who's history and heritage you have Rubbished now for more than two-decades!
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Turkey's friendship with the Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia is a friendship based on the common hatred of Greece. Turkics and Slavics hate Hellenism and seek to eradicate this host-culture from it's primordial homelands, the Greek (Haemus) peninsula.

[link to turkeymacedonia.wordpress.com] From since FYRoM first entered onto the world stage, Turkey has been the numero-uno promoter of FYRoM's anti-Hellenic and by extension, anti-Western rhetoric, outputed almost daily from that new Slavic statelet. See the header logo, Turkey next to an enlarged greater Macedonia...the latin-Roman Macedonia. Macedonia Secunda Salutaris depicted and illustrated so clearly for the world to see the closeness. Turkics and Slavics together, promote the Idea that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the only real Macedonians, at the expense and exclusion of the Greek speaking Native Macedonians.

[link to www.egejska.blogspot.co.uk] Turkics and Slavics work in tandem to alter the demographics of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula...their aim is to replace the host-culture with their own very unique Turko-Slavic one, where Gorans tell Mehmetins they are Trojans and where Mehmetins tell Gorans they are Macedonians.

[link to www.umdiaspora.org] Totally Turkish-funded ex-Yugoslavic NoN-Governmental body, bankrolled by Turkey. No wonder, FYRoM is viewed by the majority as just an extension of Turkey in Europe.

Today, the people of FYRoM have a unique Identity of their own. Analysts say it was constructed for them from 1944 onwards during the Communist Yugoslavic period. Whatever its origin, it is still impossible to project this Identity back to Alexander the Great, a period almost a Millennium before any Slavic person appeared in Greek peninsula. The name for this Identity cannot possibly be Macedonian, on the basis, it is already in use in the Greek tradition, for example: There are Pontian Greeks, Cretan Greeks, Cypriot Greeks and Macedonian Greeks. This name FYRoM cannot use exclusively because this is the name of the Greeks that reside in real Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Can Turkey and FYRoM really Rubbish Greek history with impunity and without consequences ???
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Greeks still live on the same lands as they did during the times of Alexander the Great...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not.

Greeks still speak the same language as they did during the
times of Alexander the Great...FYRom's ex-Yugoslavs do not.

Greeks are closer to Macedonians than any other peoples on planet earth on the basis of fraternal connections, language
connections, geographic connections, history connections,
with the archaelogical record endorsing all of the above, not to mention anthropological evidence and the material-culture...all of them Greek-Hellenic and nothing Slavic.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not live on the same lands as Alexander the Great and they do not speak the same language
he spoke. They do not connect to Macedonians in the same way as Greeks do...yet they want the Macedonian-name, and the legacy associated with it.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt - usurp - monopolize an ancient-archaic, regional-tribal Greek-Hellenic name, a name that never belonged to them in the first place.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs ridicule and humiliate Greeks on their skin-colour, genes, anthropology, history, language, religion culture and traditions...they do it on the belief they are the real Macedonians and Greeks are not real Greeks but a creation of the West, created from Africans Turks Vlachs and Albanians, and some rogue Slavs who sold their Slavic souls to the West.

Greeks cannot live next to primitive peoples that were bred for purpose...Indoctrinated - brainwashed to hate Greeks and Hellenism.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have taken us to the brink, a simple peoples used by Slavdom in complex fashion to mould them into something they cannot possibly be...Macedonians.
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Ever wondered: Why are the Macedonian people from FYRoM are considered Slavic? Is it because they speak a Slavic-language. What relation do Slavs have with Macedonia? And, why would they [Slavic-people] want a Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name to Identify with? More important, why do Greeks even care?

The answers:Greater-Macedonia is a large geographic-region, 51% of it is in Northern-Greece, it is this part which constitutes the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. 38% is in FYRoM, 9% is in Western-Bulgaria and just 1% is in Albania.
The people who live there can call themselves "Macedonians" geographically.

Greeks have concerns that an Independent Slavic-State called Republic of Macedonia bordering their own province of Macedon implies an irredentist territorial claim somewhere down the line. Greek-Macedonians are Greek-speakers, not Slavs. Greeks consider themselves to be the closest modern peoples to the original ancient-Macedonians. When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs say they are Macedonians, the Greeks get somewhat annoyed because they believe that their culture is being intentionally misappropriated by Slavs.

Bulgarians have major concerns with the existence of an Independent state called Macedonia. Bulgarians tell us that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Bulgarians and that the land there should be part of Bulgaria because it was artificially separated from them. Certainly, the cultural and linguistic distinction between Bulgarians and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs is very minor. Now, it could be that some Northern-Greeks descend from Hellenized-Slavs and it could also be, that Slavic-Macedonians descend from Slavicized-Greeks, such is the make-up of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...a Balkan Salad nowadays. The history of the place is very complex but well documented. Pretty much the entire area of Macedonia and Thessaly, was overrun and settled by the Slavic tribes at the top-end of the 6th Century AD. Control of Macedonia passed from Byzantine hands to Slavic hands repeatedly. The region reverted back to Byzantine-Greek control 1018 when Slavic-Bulgaria was conquered. Bulgaria itself only expanded to exercise a loose suzerainty over the region in the mid-800s. The Macedonian region has a 3,000 year old documented history associated with Hellenism. Macedonia is Greek, of that, there is no doubt. The attempted monopolization of the name Macedonia by Slavdom is a travesty of the mainstream historical narrative.

If the Slavic-Macedonians from FYRoM said they were Greeks a long time ago who "Slavisized" over the Millennium, the Greeks would argue the case...stipulating, and pointing out, that just makes them partially Greek with partial-Greek rights, beneath the rights of those Greek speaking Macedonians that sayed loyal to Helleniums through-out the Milleniums.

For 21 years, FYRoM has attempted to convince the outside world that they are Macedonians...higher Macedonians than the original Greek speaking Macedonians. Authentic-Macedonians are the Greeks and FYRoM must recognize that in no uncertain terms.
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The Macedonian componant of Greek-Hellenic Identity is just as important to the Greeks as the Spartan componant of their Identity, or the Athenian componant or the Corinthian,
must I list them [>230] all.

We hear the Slavs say...if the name Macedonia is so central to Greek National-Identity, why didn't the Greeks use the Macedonian name when they broke free from Ottoman Turkish rule? Why didn't the Greeks call themselves "The Kingdom of Macedonia" instead of "The Kingdom of Hellas" and establish a prior claim to the Macedonian name? As if the Macedonian name was up for grabs on the basis, the Greeks did not use it for full National-Identity. Greeks live next to devious mischieveous cunning peoples from far away lands who made the Haemus their home. Greeks through necessity have learned to live next to these foreign exogenous newcomers, but it takes alot of hard work.

Macedonian regional-Identity forms an important, intrinsic and integral part of the overall Greek-Hellenic National-Identity. Slavs cannot adopt it, usurp it, or monopolize it whilst the Greeks are still around. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs attempt to use this name to describe themselves and their new Slavic country on the basis, the Greeks did not use it first, so it is perfectly reasonable to take it.

The best way to find out the true Identity of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs is to ask their neighbours. Bulgarians consider them to be Bulgarians and before WWI the Serbians referred to them as South-Serbs. The Albanians and the Vlachs call a spade a spade...to them, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Bulgarians
and nothing else.

The Balkans ofcourse is an area which has settled such a mixture of peoples. The area has been a crossroads from since before the Romans. We know there were major movements of peoples, ethnic migrations during the later Roman period...both, before the Slavs and after them, all of them recorded, documented in our common European history book, and in the mainstream historical narrative. Those cultural and ethnic shifts, immigrations - emigrations, have turned the Greek [Haemus] peninsula into a Balkan Salad who's modern descendants look at their immediate neighbours with weary-mistrust and disdain. The one thing all of them should learn, or relearn is this: Greece has many other regions with distinctive names, but the main name that was used since ancient times was Ellada - Greece. Macedonia is one part of it and the Slavs of FYRoM cannot have this name
to describe themselves ethnically or racially, or culturally and linguistically when it is known in academic circles, these Identity factors do not bode well with Slavs.
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It is historically inaccurate to connect FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with ancient-Macedonians on the basis, there is no relation between them...I mean, no earthly or natural connections between Slavs and ancient-Macedonians. Greeks have the closest connections to Macedonians! FYRoM's Slavs are the closest Slavs to Greeks, geographically speaking.

Slavs have been living next to Greeks for nigh-on 1,400 years...from the 6th Century AD, when they were first recorded settling on Imperial Byzantine soil in the same way the Ostro-Goths did, some 200 years earlier. Theodoric the Great [Dietrich von Bern] new his place in the scheme of things: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

My point...Modern Austrians descend from Ostro-Goths, we know this from mainstream historical narrative. We also know about the Huns who came before the Ostro-Goths. We know about Visi-Goths. We know the Slavic tribes settled Byzantine Imperial territories after the Huns and after the Goths. We know about the Magyars who came after the Slavs to settle the territories now known as Hungary. We know lots
because it was all documented by chroniclers and historians of the times, using the same academic disciplines and criteria used today to record events.

Further point...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs descend from those Slavic tribes that settled Byzantine Imperial territories from the 6th Century AD. It is historically inacurate to connect FYRoM's Slavic speaking peoples to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...different race!

Final point...A Macedonian Nation State peopled by NoN-Greeks has never ever existed in historical verity, attempting to create one now is anathema for Greeks, it is tantamount to altering the autochthonous ethnogenic demographics of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula. Changing the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of FYRoM's ex-YugoSlavs from ethnic-Slavs to ethnic-Macedonians is not just going against nature, it is going against the mainstream historical narrative which recorded Macedonians as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus.
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Is it true.....Alexander the Great was not Macedonian Greek
but Slavik from Slavdoms SouthSlavic collective of peoples.
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Yes it's true. He was Slavic.
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Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Southern-Slavs...from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, residing on ancient-Paeonian territory.

These are the cold hard facts.

Slavdom, through FYRoM attempted to alter the primordial demographics of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula by changing ex-Yugoslavs ethnic and racial status, from ethnic-Slav to ethnic-Macedonian...something which has never existed in historical verity!

Macedonia(n)...this term when used is applied to the Greeks that still reside in the Northernmost regions of Greece where Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians once lived.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom. Who has got the gall, the front or the bottle to say otherwise!
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Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Southern-Slavs...from Serbian and Bulgarian stock, residing on ancient-Paeonian territory.

These are the cold hard facts.

Slavdom, through FYRoM attempted to alter the primordial demographics of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula by changing ex-Yugoslavs ethnic and racial status, from ethnic-Slav to ethnic-Macedonian...something which has never existed in historical verity!

Macedonia(n)...this term when used is applied to the Greeks that still reside in the Northernmost regions of Greece where Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians once lived.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom. Who has got the gall, the front or the bottle to say otherwise!
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Think you have misinterpreted the thread. You have gone completely off topic. This thread was a question about Alexander the great. You are discussing a completely different issue. That being said, as a Greek living in Greece I would like to add that we have no right or business dictating to others what they have a right to identify with or what their lineage is. We have enough problems currently. We should be focusing on those issues , rather than this nonsense.
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Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. A hereditary Greek from Hellenic royal stock. His mother hailed from Epirus and his father hailed from Macedonia.His mother Olympias came from a Molossian royal family that traced its origins back to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles the greatest hero of the Trojan War. His father Philip came from a Macedonian family that traced its origins back to the Peloponnesian Greek city of Argos and Heracles, whose descendant Temenus received Argos when the Heracleidae invaded the Peloponnese in the Dorian invasions.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to claim Macedonians as Proto-Slavic peoples flies in the face of what is known about them. They go as far as to claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor and for Slavdom, where he is proclaimed Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose...brainwashed and Indoctrinated to mock, ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism.

Macedonians were never Proto-Slavic peoples...they were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus.
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Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. A hereditary Greek from Hellenic royal stock. His mother hailed from Epirus and his father hailed from Macedonia.His mother Olympias came from a Molossian royal family that traced its origins back to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles the greatest hero of the Trojan War. His father Philip came from a Macedonian family that traced its origins back to the Peloponnesian Greek city of Argos and Heracles, whose descendant Temenus received Argos when the Heracleidae invaded the Peloponnese in the Dorian invasions.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to claim Macedonians as Proto-Slavic peoples flies in the face of what is known about them. They go as far as to claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor and for Slavdom, where he is proclaimed Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose...brainwashed and Indoctrinated to mock, ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism.

Macedonians were never Proto-Slavic peoples...they were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus.
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What an ugly, arrogant, racist point of view you have. You make all us Greeks look bad . "Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose". Really? Glad you're not really Greek. If we all had that kind of attitude we would deserve to be mocked , ridiculed and humiliated. No one should have that attitude towards fellow human beings. Prepi na sevomaste ton sinanthropo mas. Since you probably can't read Greek that means we should respect our fellow man. Stop sitting over there in the UK spouting off about what real Greeks would consider an anathema.
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Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. A hereditary Greek from Hellenic royal stock. His mother hailed from Epirus and his father hailed from Macedonia.His mother Olympias came from a Molossian royal family that traced its origins back to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles the greatest hero of the Trojan War. His father Philip came from a Macedonian family that traced its origins back to the Peloponnesian Greek city of Argos and Heracles, whose descendant Temenus received Argos when the Heracleidae invaded the Peloponnese in the Dorian invasions.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to claim Macedonians as Proto-Slavic peoples flies in the face of what is known about them. They go as far as to claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor and for Slavdom, where he is proclaimed Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose...brainwashed and Indoctrinated to mock, ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism.

Macedonians were never Proto-Slavic peoples...they were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus.
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1...What an ugly, arrogant, racist point of view you have.

2...You make all us Greeks look bad .

3..."Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose".

4...Really?

5...Glad you're not really Greek.

6...If we all had that kind of attitude we would deserve to be mocked , ridiculed and humiliated.

7...No one should have that attitude towards fellow human beings.

8...Prepi na sevomaste ton sinanthropo mas.

9...Since you probably can't read Greek that means we should respect our fellow man.

10..Stop sitting over there in the UK spouting off about what real Greeks would consider an anathema.
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1...It pales in comparison to theirs!

2...Are you Greek ??? or an ex-Yugoslav posing as one!

3...Yes, it applies to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

4...Yes.

5...I am one.

6...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs mock us, ridicule us, and humiliate us for being Greeks! They were bred for purpose!

7...I tried my best to befrienf them...they dont like Greeks. For them, Greeks are Africans, Turks Vlachs and Albanians. They deny the existence of Greeks. Their asttitude towards Greeks is far more extreme than the one you criticize.

8...Nai, malista prepi na sevomaste ton sinanthropo mas.

9...See above!

10...Greeks in the diaspora are at the forefront defending protecting Hellenism on the Internet. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs along with their Turkic cousins littered the Internet with anti-Hellenic propaganda for high-on 21 years now.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

simfoneite n diafoneite ???
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Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. A hereditary Greek from Hellenic royal stock. His mother hailed from Epirus and his father hailed from Macedonia.His mother Olympias came from a Molossian royal family that traced its origins back to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles the greatest hero of the Trojan War. His father Philip came from a Macedonian family that traced its origins back to the Peloponnesian Greek city of Argos and Heracles, whose descendant Temenus received Argos when the Heracleidae invaded the Peloponnese in the Dorian invasions.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to claim Macedonians as Proto-Slavic peoples flies in the face of what is known about them. They go as far as to claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor and for Slavdom, where he is proclaimed Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose...brainwashed and Indoctrinated to mock, ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism.

Macedonians were never Proto-Slavic peoples...they were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples from since the times of King Karanus.
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


1...What an ugly, arrogant, racist point of view you have.

2...You make all us Greeks look bad .

3..."Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples that were bred for purpose".

4...Really?

5...Glad you're not really Greek.

6...If we all had that kind of attitude we would deserve to be mocked , ridiculed and humiliated.

7...No one should have that attitude towards fellow human beings.

8...Prepi na sevomaste ton sinanthropo mas.

9...Since you probably can't read Greek that means we should respect our fellow man.

10..Stop sitting over there in the UK spouting off about what real Greeks would consider an anathema.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24130486

1...It pales in comparison to theirs!

2...Are you Greek ??? or an ex-Yugoslav posing as one!

3...Yes, it applies to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

4...Yes.

5...I am one.

6...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs mock us, ridicule us, and humiliate us for being Greeks! They were bred for purpose!

7...I tried my best to befrienf them...they dont like Greeks. For them, Greeks are Africans, Turks Vlachs and Albanians. They deny the existence of Greeks. Their asttitude towards Greeks is far more extreme than the one you criticize.

8...Nai, malista prepi na sevomaste ton sinanthropo mas.

9...See above!

10...Greeks in the diaspora are at the forefront defending protecting Hellenism on the Internet. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs along with their Turkic cousins littered the Internet with anti-Hellenic propaganda for high-on 21 years now.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

simfoneite n diafoneite ???
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Vlepo milas ellinika. Mono ellinas den ise. Ise mallon Agglos ellinkikis katagogis. Ine diaforetiko ap to an isle ellinas.
I'm not an Ex-Yugoslav posting as a Greek lol. Ime ellinas pou meno edo stin ellada. Diafono me polls apo afta pou les.
We being Greek are well aware of the situation and the history behind it. I personally as a Greek object to your speaking out the way you do as if you are speaking on behalf of all Greeks . I have respect for others ,and would not wish for someone who clearly has no respect for others to speak on my behalf. To use the excuse that their behavior is worse and pales in comparison does not justify it , nor does it make it true. If you dislike someone's behavior or find it offensive your behaving just as badly or even worse makes you no better and you should also forfeit any right to complain about that behavior. You should accept it as the norm.

Keep that old saying in mind...
Be careful when hunting monsters,lest you become one.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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The cold hard facts:

1...Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these.

2...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon not the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

4...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

5...Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Lets see if the supposed Greek dude Agrees or Disagrees with the above cold hard facts ???
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The cold hard facts:

1...Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these.

2...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon not the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

4...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

5...Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Lets see if the supposed Greek dude Agrees or Disagrees with the above cold hard facts ???
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The cold hard facts:

1...Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these.

2...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon not the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

4...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

5...Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Lets see if the supposed Greek dude Agrees or Disagrees with the above cold hard facts ???
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I doubt you are even of Greek descent at this point. Perhaps you are the ex-yugoslav. Even if you are of Greek descent stop trying to cause problems for us. We have enough problems right now. Try living in Greece if you want to consider yourself Greek. Actually do something for the people you are trying to identify with. You call yourself Nick the Greek but I and some others here would never consider you a Greek . You are an Englishman not a Greek . Who chooses to abandon Greece for a better lifestyle. If you want to be considered Greek come live in Greece, spend your money in and on the country . Support the country by being here so it can benefit from your education and talents. Live through the difficult circumstances we are currently living through and work towards resolving them . Stimulate the economy with your presence. Don't sit over there with your cushy little life in the UK . I have an uncle and cousins in the US , they do not call themselves Greek they call themselves American .
Many of us do not consider Alexander to have been Greek.
The Macedonian name does not belong in the Greek domain. It is a name , and anyone should be free to use it . Others have equal rights to their heritage. There was a lot of intermingling of the bloodlines during that time in history and and at any time in history really ,and they have a right to claim their heritage just as you do.
Aside from that, trying to claim the name Macedodonian is ridiculous, possessive , controlling , and something we have no right to be doing. It truly shows the uglier side of our nature and some of the traits we have. Those very same traits are what have brought us to the difficult situation we are in now. We need to tone that down so our country and people can move forward into the current century. Really now.
We need to be more welcoming, more tolerant, less aggressive, and more focused on the many problems we are currently facing. Not rehashing old history and trying to rewrite it to our liking . Not trying to control what some other country is going to call itself. That's just INSANITY . Maybe if we focused as much as we do on what others are doing in their country which is none of our business we could resolve some of the issues we are currently facing. Maybe if we went through life making friends instead of enemies We would have a better public image. Wake up and smell the coffee, public opinion of Greeks is very low right now , and in many instances rightfully so I might add. What we should be focused on is correcting that. We need to drop our aggressive, antagonistic entitled stance. If we do not and if we do not work on better diplomatic relations with our neighboring countries and all others for that matter , we face even more difficult times ahead. We should have been happy that anyone would even want to use the name Macedonian . Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We should have put a big smile on our faces and a welcome. Rather than create yet another distasteful situation. The world around us is changing . It is the way of this world . We live in a constantly changing environment. We are a small country that relies on tourism . We need positive relations with those around us . No one wants to visit in a country they are not on good terms with and others do not want to visit a country with ongoing hostilities. We currently have nothing but hostility going on , not only with others but within the country among ourselves. That does not bode well for us. You live over there in England so another bad situation is nothing to you. Many however who live in the country realize the need for change. Change in a positive way. Greece is not going to get out of this mess we're in , never mind making progress and moving into being prosperous as a country by being argumentative , wasting resources on petty matters , doing the same things and having the same attitude that got us into this mess. I say let the past go, my friend.After all none of us was actually there. We really will never know who slept with who. People being human everyone slept with everyone. Arguing over ancient history is ridiculous and a terrible waste of resources. We need to learn to use the resources we have to our advantage ,stop being argumentative and having disagreements we don't need any more of and start making friends.
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1...I doubt you are even of Greek descent at this point.

2...Perhaps you are the ex-yugoslav.

3...Even if you are of Greek descent stop trying to cause problems for us. We have enough problems right now.

4...Try living in Greece if you want to consider yourself Greek. Actually do something for the people you are trying to identify with.

5...You call yourself Nick the Greek but I and some others here would never consider you a Greek.You are an Englishman not a Greek. Who chooses to abandon Greece for a better lifestyle.

6...If you want to be considered Greek come live in Greece, spend your money in and on the country. Support the country by being here so it can benefit from your education and talents. Live through the difficult circumstances we are currently living through and work towards resolving them . Stimulate the economy with your presence. Don't sit over there with your cushy little life in the UK .

7...I have an uncle and cousins in the US , they do not call themselves Greek they call themselves American .

8...Many of us do not consider Alexander to have been Greek.

1...4th Generation. Anglo-Hellenic Heritage.

2...see above.

3...In what way is this thread causing problems for you ???

4...Waffle!

5...British Citizen from Anglo-Hellenic heritage. 4th Generation.

6...Here is not the medium to discuss what I do for Greece.

7...This is a Lie and you have just outed yourself. You are not hereditary Greek but a Citizen of Greece from Turkic or Slavic backround probably. Americans of Greek descent self-Identify proudly as Greek-Americans. You just shot yourself in the foot, right Goran, or is it Mehmetin!

8...This is the ultimate Yugoslavic Killer line. You just confirmed what I have always suspected...that you are a South-Slav pretending to be Greek.

Shameless...absolutely Shameless!

Stick to the Topic...Ok Goran!

Alexander the Great: Greek or South-Slav!

Goran says Slavic...Nick the Greek says Hellenic. What Now!
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Wow, a game changer for Nick! Finally a descent human being from Greece. Not some psycho repetitive national chauvinistic fool who thinks Greek lineage goes back to the Big Bang and all others emerged from warm water yesterday.

Feel sorry for you Nick! So much desperation in yours endless repetition of lies. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED REPETITION!

The truth is told once and stands for eternity.

Your whole writing on this thread screams with your desire to hold the water pouring out of an old barrel. That water is the TRUTH my friend!

Step aside or you will drown!


We are not your enemies. I understand that Greek gov. has a need for "foreign" enemies in order to defocus the people of the current situation, but your real enemies are those same corrupt politicians that bow to international banksters interests. And unless you don't see the big picture either you are paid by the gov. to spew lies or you are totally incapable to see it from realistic point of view.
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Wow, a game changer for Nick! Finally a descent human being from Greece. Not some psycho repetitive national chauvinistic fool who thinks Greek lineage goes back to the Big Bang and all others emerged from warm water yesterday.

Feel sorry for you Nick! So much desperation in yours endless repetition of lies. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED REPETITION!

The truth is told once and stands for eternity.

Your whole writing on this thread screams with your desire to hold the water pouring out of an old barrel. That water is the TRUTH my friend!

Step aside or you will drown!


We are not your enemies. I understand that Greek gov. has a need for "foreign" enemies in order to defocus the people of the current situation, but your real enemies are those same corrupt politicians that bow to international banksters interests. And unless you don't see the big picture either you are paid by the gov. to spew lies or you are totally incapable to see it from realistic point of view.
 Quoting: MKD 24183374

He is not Greek. He is one of yours!

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians are Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always live in Macedonian...trhe ancient-Kingdom.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Real Greeks would never relinquish their historic-rights and cultural Inheritance in order to appease the creation of a Slavic Macedonian state...a hostile state sitting on our Northern border.
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Prove you are not enemy of Greeks and Hellenism ???

Acknowledge and Recongnize...in No uncertain terms, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, then apologize to the Greek people for Rubbishing Hellenism and it's contributions to world history!
Nick the Greek
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09/21/2012 03:08 PM
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Re: Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to be recognised as the modern descendants of ancient-Macedonians, but what is it exactly, what do they have in common with the ancient peoples they claim as their progenitors.

1...It can't be language. They speak a Serbo-Bulgarian language mischieveously misnamed to Macedonian-language.

2...It can't be race. They are Slavic whilst Macedonians have always been Hellenic.

3...It can't be the land. They reside on ancient-Paeonian land in the south and ancient-Dardanian lands in the north.

4...It can't be history or heritage. They have no historic connections to ancient-Macedonia and their heritage is Slavic.

Before the Slavs, it was the Germans who saw themselves as the rightful heirs to something Greco-Roman. The Germanics of the Holy Roman empire claimed they were hereditary Romans when the Romans in Greece, already called themselves Romioi.

"Decretalium, Romanourm imperium in persona magnifici Caroli a Grecis transtuli in Germanos" decreed the Pope upon transfering Imperial-power from the Byzantine Greek Empire to the Germanic Holy Roman Empire, which losely transliterated means "transferred Roman Imperial authority from the Greeks to the Germans, in the name of His Greatness, the Holy Roman Emperor Karolos Magnos"

There is still that friction which exists between Hellenics and Germanics...evidenced in recent events witnessed between Greece and Germany over the Euro currency crisis which spilled over into something more than just economic-monetary issues.

Like the Germanics cannot connect themselves to the ancient-Romans...Slavics cannot connect themselves to the ancient-Macedonians.

I say, stick to the mainstream...Theories Ideas and Conjectures cannot halt, shelve or put on hold the long established mainstream historical narrative pending their academic approval.

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