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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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Wow, a game changer for Nick! Finally a descent human being from Greece. Not some psycho repetitive national chauvinistic fool who thinks Greek lineage goes back to the Big Bang and all others emerged from warm water yesterday.

Feel sorry for you Nick! So much desperation in yours endless repetition of lies. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED REPETITION!

The truth is told once and stands for eternity.

Your whole writing on this thread screams with your desire to hold the water pouring out of an old barrel. That water is the TRUTH my friend!

Step aside or you will drown!


We are not your enemies. I understand that Greek gov. has a need for "foreign" enemies in order to defocus the people of the current situation, but your real enemies are those same corrupt politicians that bow to international banksters interests. And unless you don't see the big picture either you are paid by the gov. to spew lies or you are totally incapable to see it from realistic point of view.
 Quoting: MKD 24183374

He is not Greek. He is one of yours!

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians are Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always live in Macedonian...trhe ancient-Kingdom.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Real Greeks would never relinquish their historic-rights and cultural Inheritance in order to appease the creation of a Slavic Macedonian state...a hostile state sitting on our Northern border.
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Prove you are not enemy of Greeks and Hellenism ???

Acknowledge and Recongnize...in No uncertain terms, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, then apologize to the Greek people for Rubbishing Hellenism and it's contributions to world history!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


Again , more insanity on your part. I wil repeat that I am Greek , born in Greece and live in Greece. I have the right to feel differently about the identity of Alexander the Great than you do, in doing so I am most certainly not rubbishing Hellensim. I will also add that most of the people around me that I have discussed this issue with have expressed that they share my views, so I come to the conclusion that those that share your views are in the minority. You're tarnishing our image by expressing radical hateful views and stating that this is how all Greeks feel. It is most certainly not true. If you must continue please make sure to state they are merely your opinions . We have minds ,we can speak for ourselves, we have computers we can post our opinions and express how we feel about these matters. trust me we Greeks are great about speaking up, if we shared your views there would be hundreds of posts if not thousands of them with the Greek flag , probably similar to my initial posts written in both Greek and English.
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Wow, a game changer for Nick! Finally a descent human being from Greece. Not some psycho repetitive national chauvinistic fool who thinks Greek lineage goes back to the Big Bang and all others emerged from warm water yesterday.

Feel sorry for you Nick! So much desperation in yours endless repetition of lies. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED REPETITION!

The truth is told once and stands for eternity.

Your whole writing on this thread screams with your desire to hold the water pouring out of an old barrel. That water is the TRUTH my friend!

Step aside or you will drown!


We are not your enemies. I understand that Greek gov. has a need for "foreign" enemies in order to defocus the people of the current situation, but your real enemies are those same corrupt politicians that bow to international banksters interests. And unless you don't see the big picture either you are paid by the gov. to spew lies or you are totally incapable to see it from realistic point of view.
 Quoting: MKD 24183374

He is not Greek. He is one of yours!

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians are Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always live in Macedonian...trhe ancient-Kingdom.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Real Greeks would never relinquish their historic-rights and cultural Inheritance in order to appease the creation of a Slavic Macedonian state...a hostile state sitting on our Northern border.
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Prove you are not enemy of Greeks and Hellenism ???

Acknowledge and Recongnize...in No uncertain terms, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, then apologize to the Greek people for Rubbishing Hellenism and it's contributions to world history!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


Again , more insanity on your part. I wil repeat that I am Greek , born in Greece and live in Greece. I have the right to feel differently about the identity of Alexander the Great than you do, in doing so I am most certainly not rubbishing Hellensim. I will also add that most of the people around me that I have discussed this issue with have expressed that they share my views, so I come to the conclusion that those that share your views are in the minority. You're tarnishing our image by expressing radical hateful views and stating that this is how all Greeks feel. It is most certainly not true. If you must continue please make sure to state they are merely your opinions . We have minds ,we can speak for ourselves, we have computers we can post our opinions and express how we feel about these matters. trust me we Greeks are great about speaking up, if we shared your views there would be hundreds of posts if not thousands of them with the Greek flag , probably similar to my initial posts written in both Greek and English.
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Wow, a game changer for Nick! Finally a descent human being from Greece. Not some psycho repetitive national chauvinistic fool who thinks Greek lineage goes back to the Big Bang and all others emerged from warm water yesterday.

Feel sorry for you Nick! So much desperation in yours endless repetition of lies. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED REPETITION!

The truth is told once and stands for eternity.

Your whole writing on this thread screams with your desire to hold the water pouring out of an old barrel. That water is the TRUTH my friend!

Step aside or you will drown!


We are not your enemies. I understand that Greek gov. has a need for "foreign" enemies in order to defocus the people of the current situation, but your real enemies are those same corrupt politicians that bow to international banksters interests. And unless you don't see the big picture either you are paid by the gov. to spew lies or you are totally incapable to see it from realistic point of view.
 Quoting: MKD 24183374

He is not Greek. He is one of yours!

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians are Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Real Greeks uphold this fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always live in Macedonian...trhe ancient-Kingdom.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Real Greeks would never relinquish their historic-rights and cultural Inheritance in order to appease the creation of a Slavic Macedonian state...a hostile state sitting on our Northern border.
____________________________________________________________


Prove you are not enemy of Greeks and Hellenism ???

Acknowledge and Recongnize...in No uncertain terms, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, then apologize to the Greek people for Rubbishing Hellenism and it's contributions to world history!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


Again , more insanity on your part. I wil repeat that I am Greek , born in Greece and live in Greece. I have the right to feel differently about the identity of Alexander the Great than you do, in doing so I am most certainly not rubbishing Hellensim. I will also add that most of the people around me that I have discussed this issue with have expressed that they share my views, so I come to the conclusion that those that share your views are in the minority. You're tarnishing our image by expressing radical hateful views and stating that this is how all Greeks feel. It is most certainly not true. If you must continue please make sure to state they are merely your opinions . We have minds ,we can speak for ourselves, we have computers we can post our opinions and express how we feel about these matters. trust me we Greeks are great about speaking up, if we shared your views there would be hundreds of posts if not thousands of them with the Greek flag , probably similar to my initial posts written in both Greek and English.
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Ooops, intended as a reply to Nick, my apologies.
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No country has endured what Greece has endured...I am talking about the numerous assaults on the country's national character. The character assassination of the modern-Greek has been ongoing now from since the arrival onto the world stage of FYRoM.

On the back of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, the Greeks witnessed racist-digs and verbal assaults on their national character. It started in the British press and media and slowly migrated outwards.

That some factions from our Western partners and European cousins could be party to such assaults was evidenced moreso in the mainly Nordic Northern-European country's with Germany leading the way.

Whilst the name dispute with FYRoM is almost bagged in Greeces favour, at least at the academic-level and moral-level...a new course was taken to upkeep those assaults on the Greek national character.

The Euro currency crisis was dubbed the Greek crisis in those same Nordic media circles...the Greek national character went from being God fearing, church-going, family orientated mediterenean peoples with a flare for business acumen and entrepreneurialship skills to one of lazy Southern-European cheats who lied and cheated their way into the Euro-monetary system. The Turkics and the Slavics added to those assaults by dubbing Greeks Slav killers and Turk killers.

No country has endured what Greece has endured these last two decades. As though somebody is out to alter the Greek national character...to change it from what it is today to something different, but what have they really achieved.

Nobody has done more harm to Hellenism than the Slavs of FYRoM, with their state sponsored anti-Hellenic propaganda. And with all that outsourced clandestine assistance...what have they really achieved ???
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1...Again , more insanity on your part. I wil repeat that I am Greek , born in Greece and live in Greece. I have the right to feel differently about the identity of Alexander the Great than you do, in doing so I am most certainly not rubbishing Hellensim.

2...I will also add that most of the people around me that I have discussed this issue with have expressed that they share my views, so I come to the conclusion that those that share your views are in the minority.

3...You're tarnishing our image by expressing radical hateful views and stating that this is how all Greeks feel.
It is most certainly not true. If you must continue please make sure to state they are merely your opinions .

4...We have minds ,we can speak for ourselves, we have computers we can post our opinions and express how we feel about these matters.

5...trust me we Greeks are great about speaking up, if we shared your views there would be hundreds of posts if not thousands of them with the Greek flag , probably similar to my initial posts written in both Greek and English.
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1...I believe you. I believe you are a Greek citizen, probably from Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic heritage. You are in charge of your own feelings. You rubbish Hellenism everytime you deny Alexander the Greats Greek-Hellenic Identity.

2...So you discuss this issue with those around you, meaning one or two other Greek citizens from NoN-Greek heritage and together, conclude that Alexander the Great was Slavic instead of Hellenic...who is the real Psycho now!

3...No, these are my own personal views and opinions. I do not represent any Greek official or department. What made you imagine I did ???

4...Computer This: [link to english.turkcebilgi.com]
Now click on Alexander the Great. What do You see ???

5...You are a Greek citizen from NoN-Greek heritage, probably from Slavic backround pretending to be bona-fide Greek. I dare you and your [Slavic] friends to flood this Thread with anti-Hellenic posts.
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For those who know little or next to nothing about Macedonia
and how it was, it changed both size and shape over the Millennia...here is a brief time-line summary of important historical events.

So, do we really know enough about Macedonia...Well Yes we do! We know all this:

Grecia [Hellas] under latin-Roman rule constituted the provinces of Macedonia and Achaea, but the Romans whether they were Latin-speaking or Greek-speaking were very political people, they knew how to play politics with names and geography, for example:

211 BC, Macedonia is assigned provincial status to a Roman consul.

168 BC, Macedonia becomes Roman protectorate under the authority of the Senate...after the Roman victory at Pidna.

149-148 BC, Macedonia is annexed to the latin-Roman Empire after crushing the rebellion of Andriscos [Pseudo-Philip V].

146 BC, Macedonia and Achaea of [Hellas] Grecia come under the official rule of the latin-Roman Empire after the battle of Corinth.

133 BC, The Aegean-Islands of [Hellas] Grecia are incorporated into the latin-Roman Empire.

27 BC, Augustus created the province of Achaea in the Greek [Haemus] Peninsula, and from the 2nd - 3rd Centuries AD, Grecia is subdivided into the provinces of Achaea, Macedonia, Epirus, Thrace and Moesia.

384 AD, The Emperor Theodosius divides again, the empires Grecian territories. The provinces are now Crete, Achaea, Thessalia, Epirus Vetus, Epirus Nova, Macedonia-Prima and Macedonia II Salutaris.

FYRoM sits on the territories the latin-Romans called Macedonia Secunda Salutaris...the extended and enlarged parts, the added-on parts to real Macedonia the latin-Romans called Macedonia-Prima, meaning the first and foremost Macedonia. This is the way the Roman Empire distinguished the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon from the added-on territories.

From here onward...384 BC, the latin-Roman-Empire gives way to the Greco-Roman Empire, also known as Byzantium or the Eastern-Roman Empire.

The next time Macedonia goes through some profound and equivocal changes, was when the Greek speaking [Romioi] Byzantines surprisingly move the name "Macedonia" to a completely different geographic location. The Greco-Romans shifted the Macedonian-Name, lock stock and barrel to Thrace, a political decision light-years ahead of it's time...Those Byzantines demonstrated Ownership over the Macedonian name by doing what they did, much like their latin-Roman predecessors did with Macedonia II Salutaris.

Why did the latin-Romans did what they did to Macedonia, I mean, administer over the Prima-Macedonia and Secunda-Macedonia ???

Why did the Greco-Roman Byzantines did what they did to Macedonia, I mean, shift it's geographic location to Thrace. They moved the name...but Why ???
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The cold hard facts:

1...Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these.

2...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon not the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

4...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

5...Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Lets see if the supposed Greek dude Agrees or Disagrees with the above cold hard facts ???
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I doubt you are even of Greek descent at this point. Perhaps you are the ex-yugoslav. Even if you are of Greek descent stop trying to cause problems for us. We have enough problems right now. Try living in Greece if you want to consider yourself Greek. Actually do something for the people you are trying to identify with. You call yourself Nick the Greek but I and some others here would never consider you a Greek . You are an Englishman not a Greek . Who chooses to abandon Greece for a better lifestyle. If you want to be considered Greek come live in Greece, spend your money in and on the country . Support the country by being here so it can benefit from your education and talents. Live through the difficult circumstances we are currently living through and work towards resolving them . Stimulate the economy with your presence. Don't sit over there with your cushy little life in the UK . I have an uncle and cousins in the US , they do not call themselves Greek they call themselves American .
Many of us do not consider Alexander to have been Greek.
The Macedonian name does not belong in the Greek domain. It is a name , and anyone should be free to use it . Others have equal rights to their heritage. There was a lot of intermingling of the bloodlines during that time in history and and at any time in history really ,and they have a right to claim their heritage just as you do.
Aside from that, trying to claim the name Macedodonian is ridiculous, possessive , controlling , and something we have no right to be doing. It truly shows the uglier side of our nature and some of the traits we have. Those very same traits are what have brought us to the difficult situation we are in now. We need to tone that down so our country and people can move forward into the current century. Really now.
We need to be more welcoming, more tolerant, less aggressive, and more focused on the many problems we are currently facing. Not rehashing old history and trying to rewrite it to our liking . Not trying to control what some other country is going to call itself. That's just INSANITY . Maybe if we focused as much as we do on what others are doing in their country which is none of our business we could resolve some of the issues we are currently facing. Maybe if we went through life making friends instead of enemies We would have a better public image. Wake up and smell the coffee, public opinion of Greeks is very low right now , and in many instances rightfully so I might add. What we should be focused on is correcting that. We need to drop our aggressive, antagonistic entitled stance. If we do not and if we do not work on better diplomatic relations with our neighboring countries and all others for that matter , we face even more difficult times ahead. We should have been happy that anyone would even want to use the name Macedonian . Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We should have put a big smile on our faces and a welcome. Rather than create yet another distasteful situation. The world around us is changing . It is the way of this world . We live in a constantly changing environment. We are a small country that relies on tourism . We need positive relations with those around us . No one wants to visit in a country they are not on good terms with and others do not want to visit a country with ongoing hostilities. We currently have nothing but hostility going on , not only with others but within the country among ourselves. That does not bode well for us. You live over there in England so another bad situation is nothing to you. Many however who live in the country realize the need for change. Change in a positive way. Greece is not going to get out of this mess we're in , never mind making progress and moving into being prosperous as a country by being argumentative , wasting resources on petty matters , doing the same things and having the same attitude that got us into this mess. I say let the past go, my friend.After all none of us was actually there. We really will never know who slept with who. People being human everyone slept with everyone. Arguing over ancient history is ridiculous and a terrible waste of resources. We need to learn to use the resources we have to our advantage ,stop being argumentative and having disagreements we don't need any more of and start making friends.
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mace - donians

two of the 12 tribes of israel, packet their gold robbed genociding half middle east and relocate in greece
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The cold hard facts:

1...Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these.

2...Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon not the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs!

4...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

5...Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Lets see if the supposed Greek dude Agrees or Disagrees with the above cold hard facts ???
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


I doubt you are even of Greek descent at this point. Perhaps you are the ex-yugoslav. Even if you are of Greek descent stop trying to cause problems for us. We have enough problems right now. Try living in Greece if you want to consider yourself Greek. Actually do something for the people you are trying to identify with. You call yourself Nick the Greek but I and some others here would never consider you a Greek . You are an Englishman not a Greek . Who chooses to abandon Greece for a better lifestyle. If you want to be considered Greek come live in Greece, spend your money in and on the country . Support the country by being here so it can benefit from your education and talents. Live through the difficult circumstances we are currently living through and work towards resolving them . Stimulate the economy with your presence. Don't sit over there with your cushy little life in the UK . I have an uncle and cousins in the US , they do not call themselves Greek they call themselves American .
Many of us do not consider Alexander to have been Greek.
The Macedonian name does not belong in the Greek domain. It is a name , and anyone should be free to use it . Others have equal rights to their heritage. There was a lot of intermingling of the bloodlines during that time in history and and at any time in history really ,and they have a right to claim their heritage just as you do.
Aside from that, trying to claim the name Macedodonian is ridiculous, possessive , controlling , and something we have no right to be doing. It truly shows the uglier side of our nature and some of the traits we have. Those very same traits are what have brought us to the difficult situation we are in now. We need to tone that down so our country and people can move forward into the current century. Really now.
We need to be more welcoming, more tolerant, less aggressive, and more focused on the many problems we are currently facing. Not rehashing old history and trying to rewrite it to our liking . Not trying to control what some other country is going to call itself. That's just INSANITY . Maybe if we focused as much as we do on what others are doing in their country which is none of our business we could resolve some of the issues we are currently facing. Maybe if we went through life making friends instead of enemies We would have a better public image. Wake up and smell the coffee, public opinion of Greeks is very low right now , and in many instances rightfully so I might add. What we should be focused on is correcting that. We need to drop our aggressive, antagonistic entitled stance. If we do not and if we do not work on better diplomatic relations with our neighboring countries and all others for that matter , we face even more difficult times ahead. We should have been happy that anyone would even want to use the name Macedonian . Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We should have put a big smile on our faces and a welcome. Rather than create yet another distasteful situation. The world around us is changing . It is the way of this world . We live in a constantly changing environment. We are a small country that relies on tourism . We need positive relations with those around us . No one wants to visit in a country they are not on good terms with and others do not want to visit a country with ongoing hostilities. We currently have nothing but hostility going on , not only with others but within the country among ourselves. That does not bode well for us. You live over there in England so another bad situation is nothing to you. Many however who live in the country realize the need for change. Change in a positive way. Greece is not going to get out of this mess we're in , never mind making progress and moving into being prosperous as a country by being argumentative , wasting resources on petty matters , doing the same things and having the same attitude that got us into this mess. I say let the past go, my friend.After all none of us was actually there. We really will never know who slept with who. People being human everyone slept with everyone. Arguing over ancient history is ridiculous and a terrible waste of resources. We need to learn to use the resources we have to our advantage ,stop being argumentative and having disagreements we don't need any more of and start making friends.
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616

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Just the highlights...

1...Normally, Greeks would have been flattered, elated even, at the prospects of newly established neighbour country wanting to name itself after a Greek-Hellenic name. FYRoM however, does it for hostile anti-Hellenic motives. Greeks are not amused by FYRoM's antics and neither is the International community, not least the academic community who view FYRoM's treatment of classical historical events with disdain.

2...Greeks put on a great big smile when they hear FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs proclaim themselves Macedonians and proclaim Alexander the Great their ancestor, their Proto-Slavic hero...the first Czar of the Slavs.

3...Greece is quite big in comparison to it's neighbours, barring Turkey ofcourse. Greece has good relations with all countries although Greece does struggle to maintain good relations with both Turkey and FYRoM.

4...I live in the UK, yes I do...I am based here. I do travel the globe though, and on my travels I have experianced genuine hospitality, none better than the hospitality I recieved in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula and Anatolia.
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been bred for purpose...sounds cruel but it's true. What country on earth but FYRoM teaches it's young children pupils and students to hate Greeks and Hellenism. What country but FYRoM teaches it's youth to belittle Hellenism and it's contributions to world history. What country teaches it's young people deny the very existence of Greeks, teaching their young people, todays Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks, Greeks in just in name but not in substance.

It upsets me to hear FYRoM's young South-Slavic children talk about Greeks in the way they have been tuitioned conditioned and manipulated. It upsets me so much I have compiled a list of well known Slavic people from Greek heritage...see here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Queen Alexandria of Yugoslavia was Greek.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia was partially Greek from his mothers side.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Katherine, Crown Princess of Yugoslavia was Greek.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Helena Palaiologina of the Morea was a Byzantine despotess of Serbia, as the wife of Despot Lazar Brankovic, who ruled from 1456 until his death in 1458. Together they had three daughters.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Maria Palaiologina, Queen of Serbia was the Queen consort of Stephen Uros III Decanski of Serbia (1324–1331). She was the daughter of pan-hypersebastos John Palaiologos, and niece of Emperor Andronikos II Palaiologos (r. 1282–1328). Her maternal grandfather was megas logothetes Theodore Metochites.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Dimitrios Dimitriou: sometimes spelled Dimitrije Demeter or Dimitrije Demetar; 21 July 1811 – 24 June 1872) was a Greek-Croatian poet and dramatist.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Alexey Venetsianov was a Russian painter, renowned for his paintings devoted to peasant life and ordinary people. Alexey Venetsianov was born into a merchant family of Greek descent in Moscow.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Yolanda of Poland was the daughter of King Bela IV of Hungary and Maria Laskarina. She was the sister of Saint Margaret of Hungary and Saint Kinga (Cunegunda). One of her paternal aunts was the great Franciscan saint, Elizabeth of Hungary.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Imrich Barta was a famous Slovak painter and architect of Greek ancestry (possible Peloponnesian).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Grigory Ivanovich Rossolimo was a Russian neurologist who was a native of Odessa.(He was of Greek origin; his grandfather had gone sailing from Cefalonia as a young man, been shipwrecked, and washed up near Odessa, where he remained.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Maria of Bulgaria was the wife of protovestiarios Andronikos Doukas and mother of Irene Doukaina.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Cometopuli dynasty was the last royal dynasty in the First Bulgarian Empire, ruling from ca. 976 until the fall of Bulgaria under Byzantine rule in 1018.[1] The most notable member of the dynasty, tsar Samuel.

[link to familypedia.wikia.com] The deposed current Royal House of Bulgaria, contrary to common misconceptions, and despite of the country having spent half a millennium under the Ottoman Empire, descends from earlier monarchs of Bulgaria, both the First Bulgarian Empire and the Second Bulgarian Empire. Scholars have traced several bloodlines in ancestry of tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria (1861-1948) and his wife Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma (1870-99), progenitors of the present royal family. The main pedigree (below) has been presented by genealogists to show sort of a continuous line through various Bulgarian states and to highlight the dynasty of their successors.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Evangelos Zappas was a Greek patriot, philanthropist and businessman who spent most of his life in Romania. Romania is not a Slavic country but a friendly neighbour country.
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For those South-Slavs who know very little about Greeks and next to nothing about themselves, I mean, who they are and from whence they really come from!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs appear committed to affirming their existence as a unique peoples with a unique history, unique culture, and Identity, and of gaining recognition of this fact internationally. When asserting their ethno-specific
Identity...they insist, it has nothing to do with Serbians, Bulgarians or Greeks. They also reject the Idea of any hyphenated names such as Slav-Macedonians or Greek-Macedonians, claiming they are "divisive labels" indicative of segregationist like mentality that needs to be overcome. They argue, there are no Slav-Macedonians, like there are no Slav-Russians, Slav-Poles or Slav-Serbs. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs insist they are ethnic and racial Macedonians, the only Macedonians that can claim the legacy of Alexander the Great, contrary to the overwhelming stock-piles of evidence which places them into the Slavic collective of peoples in general, and the Bulgarian one in particular.

Greeks argue...because the language spoken in antiquity by the ancient-Macedonians was the Hellenic-language, the Slavic-language spoken in FYRoM by ex-Yugoslavs cannot possibly be called "Macedonian-language." Greek sources generally refer to it as "the linguistic idiom of Skopje" and describe it as a Serbianized-Bulgarian language, just 5 Serbian letters short of being proper Bulgarian. Finally, the Greek government denies the existence of a so called ethno-specific Macedonian minority in northern Greece, claiming Macedonians are Greeks, and that Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. Greece does not deny the existence of a small group of "Slavophone-Greeks" or "bilingual-Greeks," that speak Greek in addition to a local Slavic dialect, but they have always had a staunch "Greek-Hellenic national consciousness." Slavophone-Greeks fought hard for the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottoman-Turks and later fought even harder during Balkan Wars I - II to keep Macedonia Greek.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, the overwhelming stock-piles of evidence place them into the Slavic domain, in with the Slavic collective of peoples, making it impossible for them to claim ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...Greeks on the other hand claim all of these things, and they are supported in this regard by world-academia and an abundance of overwhelming evidence to substantiate their claims.
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Extremely unlikely, but if a military conflict broke-out today between FYRoM and Greece, how would the historians of today record the event...would it go down in recorded history as a Greco-Slavic War, or as FYRoM would have us believe, a War between Macedonia and Greece. It would go down as a Greco-Slavic War because the combatants would be Greeks on the one side and South-Slavs on the other side.

Extremely unlikely, but if such a hypothetical, Speculative War between FYRoM and Greece were to be recorded in the FYRoM preffered way, as a War between Macedonia and Greece...how would the details of it compare to previous Wars recorded in the annals of our common European history book.

That Greeks fought other Greeks during antiquity is clear, it is there in black and white for us to read in the long established mainstream historical narrative, [link to www.livius.org] We know, that the Corinthian league legitimized Macedonian hegemony over the rest of Hellas. The League of Corinth, also referred to as the Hellenic League, saw the getting together into a federation, several Greek-Hellenic states with intent to form one unitary fighting force. Sparta abstained and did not join the Corinthian League for political reasons. The League was created by King Philip II of Macedon during the winter of 338 BC - 337 BC, after the battle of Chaeronea, he created it with a view to confront the mighty Persian armies in the east. The name 'League of Corinth' was coined by modern historians after the first council of the League in Corinth. It was the first time in recorded history that all the Greek-Hellenic states...with the notable exception of Sparta, managed to become part of one singular-unitary miltary and political entity.

So, in the event of such a fictitious, theoretical and totally speculative War ever breaking out between FYRoM and Greece, would necessitate the events, the place-names, the names of the combatants and the geographical-names to be recorded in such a way as to reflect the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the forces doing the fighting. The readers of those recorded accounts and events would quickly conclude that Greeks were fighting Slavs on the basis highlighted above.

Silly, right! The whole thing is Silly and that Silliness started in FYRoM the day ex-Yugoslavs...South-Slavic people stood-up and told the world they were Macedonians, the modern desendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.
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History cannot be altered simply by rewriting it. For as long as the Nation state exists, that particular Nations historic-rights must be respected. Greece has recognized historic-rights over the ancient-region of Macedon, and they must be respected. These rights, Greece is having to excercize in lieu of FYRoM's contestations. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs contend that Macedonians were never Greeks but Slavs, who's ancestor Aleksandar Veliki was a great proto-Slavic hero and the first Czar of the Slavs. Greeks get annoyed at South-Slavs when they hear this kind of perverse corruption of a historical narrative that has long been established. From since the 6th Century AD, the Slavs were recorded as having settled the Byzantine empires Imperial territories, and since that time, Macedonian history becomes part of Slavic history. Macedonia gets a permanent settlement of Bulgaro-Slavic peoples who vye and compete with Greek Byzantines for supremacy over the geographic-region. The whole complete history of Macedonia...since the beginning of time, belongs to the Greek speaking Hellenic peoples that have always been there. That the Bulgaro-Slavs
live there also entitles them to excercize their historic rights, but those rights have a clearly recorded, clearly defined starting point. They do not traverse further back than the 6th Century AD. So, to say that Macedonian history belong to Macedonians whatever their origin is missing something

Greeks respect the history and heritage of the Slavs in the greater-Macedonia geographic region of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula. Contrary to the misconception...Greeks do not deny the Slavs of FYRoM their rightful history in their respective part of greater-Macedonia. From the 6th Century AD, Bulgaro-Slavs share common history with Greeks, the native-originals, the Indigenous and autochthonous peoples of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula. To claim a history further back than the 6th Century AD, flies in the face of what we actually know about the Slavic seetlements of the region through the mainstream historical narrative. History cannot be altered to suit or appease FYRoM. History cannot be altered simply be rewriting it.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonist pseudo-historians scripted FYRoM a history and a heritage, so crude and so crass...the International academic community rejected it out-right as being nothing short of revisionist anti-Hellenic propaganda. They alienated a whole Nation of Hellenes and the global Greek diaspora communties. But worse than this, FYRoM alienated a profession of classicist historian scholars who spent their whole professional careas on the dissemination of classical Graeco-Roman history, speacialists in the field. FYRoM's disrespect of their profession lead International scholars and academic alike to cast FYRoM aside. FYRoM is now shoved-up a siding, going nowhere, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks and about themselves, who they are and from whence they really come from.
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What they...the South-Slavic peoples of FYRoM don't know about Greeks is actually doing them more harm than good.For example, they cannot see, that the Greek-Hellenic peoples through-out the centuries have been around them, in the Slavic world and beyond for Millenia, whilst their Slavist orientated revisionist psuedo-historians deny the very existence of Greeks. They all died-out, Greeks expired as a race, is what they teach their children pupils and students.
Pathetic right! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs know very little about Greeks and next to nothing about themselves, I mean, who they are and from whence they come from. Education, it's all about education, right!

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs knew what the rest of the world know about Greeks, they would immediately acknowledge that the rights of FYRoM's Slavic speakers to Identify themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, infringe on the rights of Greeks, because Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! They would acknowledge that FYRoM's right to an ethno-specific Identity cannot ride roughshod over the rights of Greeks. They would also acknowledge that FYRoM's rights do not supercede the historic-rights of the Hellenic Republic and they would acknowledge also, that Greece has a moral and legal duty, an obligation to defend and protect the Hellenic Republics National-history and cultural-heritage.

Macedonism in FYRoM has been a total disaster...Nobody sees ex-Yugoslavs as Macedonians, as in the Alexander the Great type of Macedonian. Everybody sees them as South-Slavs, belonging to the Slavic collective of peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Nobody equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to the Macedonians of old. Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM trying to alter-change that demographic has been a total disaster for them.
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Slavist school Indoctrinated FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs into the cruel belief they are descended from ancient Greco-Phrygian peoples that later went by the name of Makedonae. Rather than being taught the truth, that they are descended from Draguvites, a Slavic-tribe that settled onto Imperial Byzantine territories...they are coerced to learn a pseudo-historical account of their ethnic-racial origins.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were never taught or told the truth about Macedonians, that originally, they were a Dorian-Greek tribe from Pieria who called themselves "Makednoi". These Makednoi overran Emathia, where they intermingled with the local Phrygians to become the ancient-Macedonians we have all learned so much about through the mainstream historical narrative.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org] So who were these Draguvites? They were ofcourse, FYRoM's original ancestors. One of the first Slavic-tribes to settle onto Greco-Roman soil. They were later joined by other Slavic-tribes like the Sagudates, the Velegesites, the Rynchines and the Bersites. These are FYRoM's Slavic ancestors, their true forebears. Whether this tribal collective posed any real threat to the Romioi is debatable. The general consensus is that they were unthreatening and friendly towards the Greco-Romans. The Draguvites found themselves occupying regions of Macedonia buffering Byzantium from the more aggressive Slavic-tribes further North.

It's time for the Slavs of FYRoM to find out more about the Greeks with who'm they have been neighbouring for 1,400 years and more about themselves also, about their true ethnic and racial ancestors...the Draguvites, the closest Slavic tribe to the Greeks for almost a Millenium and a half. They are closer to Greeks than their Slavist school tutors care to mention.
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Alexander was Macedonian!!!

Nick tha Greek sucks!!!
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Alexander was Macedonian!!!

Nick tha Greek sucks!!!
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I agree!
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A: south slav?
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Alexander the Great was Macedonian from the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon. Leonidas was a Spartan, from the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Sparta. Both of these peoples were related, they were from Dorian-Greek stock but the Slavs of FYRoM don't know this, they were never told it or taught it, that part of classical-history was not covered in their Slavist-school curriculum. Instead, they were taught that everything Macedonian is theirs and they should stake their claims to it, because it rightfully belongs to them on the basis they are Macedonians. For a lowly educated, simple-minded South-Slav from FYRoM to hear this, to be told that he is Macedonian because he speaks Macedonian and lives in Macedonia is a manipulation to far. The allure of Alexander the Great being Macedonian and Slavic too must sound very appealing and very enticing for the average simple-hearted FYRoM ex-Yugoslav to reject, so he accepts it as truth.

Greeks get annoyed, extremely annoyed when they hear FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs talk the way they do...I mean, rubbish - pervert - corrupt classical-history. They took something good like the classics and converted them into something vulgar.

No amount of education will shift them from where they are today. In their minds, they are Macedonians and nothing can change that. Or can it! Short of putting them through another programme designed de-indoctrinate them, to filter-out all the bad-stuff and then to fill that void with the mainstream historical narrative...I dont see how it can be achieved.

It pains me to hear them claim an ancient-Greek hero like Alexander the Great for their ancestor...it pains me to think that after they have read this, they might claim Leonidas the Spartan for their ancestor also, on the basis, Spartans and Macedonians were related.
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Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

We fought the same enemy together in WW II. We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

And yet we are "enemies". Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses. But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.
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1...Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

2...We fought the same enemy together in WW II.

3...We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

4...And yet we are "enemies".

5...Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses.

6...But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.
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1...100 years ago was 1912, right! This point is important!

2...You guys were never very good with history, ancient or recent...and you jusr proved it. One hendred years ago, Greeks were fighting the Ottoman-Turk to reclaim and bring back Macedonia into Greek hands once more. You guys were fighting who ??? Now WW II, Greeks fought Italians - Germans - Bulgarians, where were You guys!

3...The Byzantine Orthodox culture right! A culture based around Greek-Orthodox Christendom, bringing together those ages-old ways and traditions of both Greeks and Slavs. It fused into one common Greco-Slavic culture which endured in Greek [Haemus] peninsula from since the baptism of the first Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox religion.

4...You guys suddenly showed us your hostility. You teamed-up with the Turk to scheme and plot against Greeks and Hellenism.

5...We No listen to our politicians...they have proved themselves too-weak and too-soft on matters that concern the Greek-Hellenic peoples and on matters relating to National Security.

6...I was touting this message in 2007...that Greeks and Slavs could live in peace, side by side, next door to each-other but you guys turned your backs.

Now we are here at this point...at the brink!
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Two reasons why FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country cannot adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian name exclusively.

1...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain.

2...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Two fundamental reasons which clash and conflict with FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonism Ideology. Those reasons shall haunt FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs for eternity.

Now lets review: Are they Macedonians...

...Well Yes If they want to be, but only in the geographic sense!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can never be those "exclusive" Macedonians they want to be, like Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, on the basis, It is a Lie! The Macedonian name is a Greek specific place name, a regional-specific Identity applicable only to Greeks.
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Global politicians - World diplomats - Accredited Academics - Reputable Scholars all say the same thing...The Onus is on FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to compromise in order to find a proper more suitable name for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity. The Macedonian name does not bode well with South-Slavs, at least on all of those Identity factors listed above. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs erroneously acquired the Macedonian name by Ideology, nature did not play any part in that acquisition. There is no natural link to connect South-Slavs to the Macedonian name, it simply does not exist. The Slavic tribes did not come into the Greek [Haemus] peninsula as Macedonians, this name was foreign to them, like they were foreign to the Greco-Roman world.

From since the Slavs first settled the Greek peninsula traverses a time contiuum spanning 1,400 years...at which point in time, starting from the 6th Century AD, did the Slavs of FYRoM acquire the Macedonian name ? and when did they start to apply it to themselves in the ethnic and racial sense, and cultural-linguistic sense ?

One need not look back further than the 1860's on the first point...and 1944 - 1945 on the second point!

From since the 6th Century AD until the lead-up and final establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate is when we first get to hear about Slavs wanting to use the Macedonian name for Identity. And from 1944 onwards...we start to hear them using the Macedonian name for their new Socialist Republic Tito the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia set-up for them.

Everybody tells them to give it up and compromize on a new name...a proper more suitable name, one that best describes the peoples there.

The UN - USA - EU - NATO all say the same thing. These world bodies and global Institutions tell FYRoM to compromise in order end the name dispute with Greece.
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Greeks cannot permit a South-Slavic peoples to adopt, usurp and then monopolize a totally Greek name for their newly established Slavic country. Greeks cannot permit these people to monopolize a totally Greek name for their country name, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is clear...these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

Nature did not make South-Slavs Macedonians...Slavists did that for them in an unnatural way! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians by Ideology. Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands. Indoctrinating young South-Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs is a manipulation too far.

The International community recognize that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they purport to be. The world knows them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

From the UN - EU - USA - NATO to Global-politicians and World-diplomats...they all say the same thing. So do professional people like Accredited Academics and Reputable Scholars of Graeco-Roman classical history. The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in order to end the name dispute with Greece.
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[link to www.un.org] President Gjorge Ivanov of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia addresses the General Assembly.

27 September 2012...the President of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Gjorge Ivanov, today called for closer cooperation between FYRoM and Greece to resolve the “name” issue between the two country's. Greece maintains
that the Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Greece is supported by the UN - EU - USA - NATO and the International Acdemic community...they all say the same thing: The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in order to find a proper more suitable name for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity. Lest we forget, Yugoslav denotes Southern-Slav so the Macedonian name does not bode well with the Slavic race.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians on the will of those Slavists that demanded it. They became Macedonians by Ideology only.

Everybody sees them as Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock...simple-hearted peoples Indoctrinated on Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology that can be traced back to the Tzarist-era resurrection of Bulgaria and the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate.

Slavist school in the old-Yugoslavia taught them the ancient-Greeks expired, they all died-out leaving us no heirs, but the ancient-Macedonians lived to become FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic speakers! Pathetic right!

The more one listens to their diatribe, the more it is decided to keep them at arms length...at a distance!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a danger to themselves and to others in their vicinity...natural born agitators stirrers and troublemakers. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have the uncanny ability to cause friction in the Balkans, a region of the world which has seen more than it's fare share of it.

The world calls them FYRoM...but they are told that 130 countries recognize them as Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Nobody sees them as Macedonians...Everybody sees them as Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock wanting to usurp an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name, for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity
when it is known, all of those Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.
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Again , more insanity on your part. I wil repeat that I am Greek , born in Greece and live in Greece. I have the right to feel differently about the identity of Alexander the Great than you do, in doing so I am most certainly not rubbishing Hellensim. I will also add that most of the people around me that I have discussed this issue with have expressed that they share my views, so I come to the conclusion that those that share your views are in the minority. You're tarnishing our image by expressing radical hateful views and stating that this is how all Greeks feel. It is most certainly not true. If you must continue please make sure to state they are merely your opinions . We have minds ,we can speak for ourselves, we have computers we can post our opinions and express how we feel about these matters. trust me we Greeks are great about speaking up, if we shared your views there would be hundreds of posts if not thousands of them with the Greek flag , probably similar to my initial posts written in both Greek and English.
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I know you mean well brother and i don't agree with repetitive posts either, but your view is not shared by 95% or more of the Greek population mate. Your statement that the minority believes that, is absurd to say the least. The fact that you don't see more Greek flags posting is because we really don't give a flying fuck what a nation with national identity issues say, you can't change facts and history and most Greeks are bored to be dragged in to such a worthless and meaningless non-issue fight. I don't know who your friends or people around you are but what you stated here doesn't represent anyone in Greece in a percentage of at least 95%.
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1...Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

2...We fought the same enemy together in WW II.

3...We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

4...And yet we are "enemies".

5...Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses.

6...But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.
 Quoting: MKD 24405331


1...100 years ago was 1912, right! This point is important!

2...You guys were never very good with history, ancient or recent...and you jusr proved it. One hendred years ago, Greeks were fighting the Ottoman-Turk to reclaim and bring back Macedonia into Greek hands once more. You guys were fighting who ??? Now WW II, Greeks fought Italians - Germans - Bulgarians, where were You guys!

3...The Byzantine Orthodox culture right! A culture based around Greek-Orthodox Christendom, bringing together those ages-old ways and traditions of both Greeks and Slavs. It fused into one common Greco-Slavic culture which endured in Greek [Haemus] peninsula from since the baptism of the first Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox religion.

4...You guys suddenly showed us your hostility. You teamed-up with the Turk to scheme and plot against Greeks and Hellenism.

5...We No listen to our politicians...they have proved themselves too-weak and too-soft on matters that concern the Greek-Hellenic peoples and on matters relating to National Security.

6...I was touting this message in 2007...that Greeks and Slavs could live in peace, side by side, next door to each-other but you guys turned your backs.

Now we are here at this point...at the brink!
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An article written by Nikos Zachariadis expressed the KKE's strategy after the envisioned victory of the Democratic Army of Greece regarding what was then known as the "Macedonian Issue": "The Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples’ republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples’ Republics to which the Greek people will belong. The Macedonian people are today fighting for this independent united state with a coequal position and is helping the DSE with all its soul...."[5] The policy of self-determination for Macedonia within a People's Republic was reiterated during the 5th KKE Central Committee meeting held in January 1949, which declared that the "Macedonian people participating in the liberation struggle would find their full national re-establishment as they want giving their blood for this acquisition... Macedonian Communists should pay great attentions to foreign chauvinist and counteractive elements that want to break the unity between the Greek and Macedonian people. This will only serve the monarcho-fascists and British imperialism....”[6] This statement can be explaned due to the large number of Slavomacedonian fighters (30-50%) amongst the DSE fighters.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


See we wre right there among those who faught for freedom!!!


But I guess theese things are still taboo in your xenophobic "cradle od democracy".

Considering you are 4th generation of greeks in UK, no wonder you are so afraid about greek communist past.
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1...Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

2...We fought the same enemy together in WW II.

3...We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

4...And yet we are "enemies".

5...Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses.

6...But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.
 Quoting: MKD 24405331


1...100 years ago was 1912, right! This point is important!

2...You guys were never very good with history, ancient or recent...and you jusr proved it. One hendred years ago, Greeks were fighting the Ottoman-Turk to reclaim and bring back Macedonia into Greek hands once more. You guys were fighting who ??? Now WW II, Greeks fought Italians - Germans - Bulgarians, where were You guys!

3...The Byzantine Orthodox culture right! A culture based around Greek-Orthodox Christendom, bringing together those ages-old ways and traditions of both Greeks and Slavs. It fused into one common Greco-Slavic culture which endured in Greek [Haemus] peninsula from since the baptism of the first Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox religion.

4...You guys suddenly showed us your hostility. You teamed-up with the Turk to scheme and plot against Greeks and Hellenism.

5...We No listen to our politicians...they have proved themselves too-weak and too-soft on matters that concern the Greek-Hellenic peoples and on matters relating to National Security.

6...I was touting this message in 2007...that Greeks and Slavs could live in peace, side by side, next door to each-other but you guys turned your backs.

Now we are here at this point...at the brink!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 6488616


An article written by Nikos Zachariadis expressed the KKE's strategy after the envisioned victory of the Democratic Army of Greece regarding what was then known as the "Macedonian Issue": "The Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples’ republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples’ Republics to which the Greek people will belong. The Macedonian people are today fighting for this independent united state with a coequal position and is helping the DSE with all its soul...."[5] The policy of self-determination for Macedonia within a People's Republic was reiterated during the 5th KKE Central Committee meeting held in January 1949, which declared that the "Macedonian people participating in the liberation struggle would find their full national re-establishment as they want giving their blood for this acquisition... Macedonian Communists should pay great attentions to foreign chauvinist and counteractive elements that want to break the unity between the Greek and Macedonian people. This will only serve the monarcho-fascists and British imperialism....”[6] This statement can be explaned due to the large number of Slavomacedonian fighters (30-50%) amongst the DSE fighters.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

1...See we wre right there among those who faught for freedom!!!

2...But I guess theese things are still taboo in your xenophobic "cradle od democracy".

3...Considering you are 4th generation of greeks in UK, no wonder you are so afraid about greek communist past.
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1...You fought for Communism. Freedom is the opposite!

2...The Royalists won over the Communists [1945 - 1949] during the Greek civil war and kept Greece in the Western trajectory. Greek Communists if they won, would have squandered their birthright. They would have awarded Authentic-Macedonia to the Communist Slavic forces for reasons which most Greeks still cannot comprehend. Greece in Communist heaven would have constituted a very small and very insignificant state within Slavdom. It would have been ruled over by Slavs who would have de-Hellenized the Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians in order to make them Slavic. What FYRoM is doing now is a continuation of that policy.

3...My son is 5th generation. He is fond of his Hellenic heritage also, and very eager to protect it. We are few in number here in the UK but very influential. The Communists destroyed Greece, more Greeks died in that War than WWII. Slavs and Communism...what was it about ??? what did it achieve ???

From Communists, You are now Orthodox-Christians and still wanting to destabilize the Hellenic Republic. For as long as external diaspora Greeks exist, Greece shall have a it's defenders and it's protectors...Come Hell or High Water!
Nick the Greek
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Only in the minds of some Southern-Slavs and those arrogant Slavist mind-architects that Idoctrinated them, beleive Macedonians were not Hellenic but Slavic. Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they believe that Alexander the Great was really Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs. They shamelessly omit the term Hellenic and always refer to Slavs as Macedonians. Only in the minds of some hardened propagandists do they believe they can get away with the mass Indoctrination of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs.
Only in FYRoM do they teach their children, pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...remember, they never use the term Slav, but always use the term Macedonian to denote the same thing.

Only in FYRoM do they tuition their young people into the belief, todays Greeks are not real Greeks but remnants of Africans - Turks - Vlachs - Albanians and some rogue Slavic elements that converted to Hellenism. They teach their young children to believe in the notion that the ancient-Greeks all died-out, expired, leaving no heirs to inherit their legacy whilst the ancient-Macedonians survived moved North and Morphed into Slavic people who Centuries later, migrated back Southwards to their primordial homelands...an event recorded in history as the Slavic Migrations - Incursion - Invasions of the Eastern-Roman Empire during the last decades of the 6th Century AD.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they see modern-Greeks as the creation of the West, created in order to cheat the Slavic-race from it's true history and heritage in the (Greek) Haemus peninsula. FYRoM's young children pupils and students are taught that Greece was created by the West to halt the Slavic race from expanding Southwards towards to Northern-Aegean coast.

Only in FYRoM do they see themselves as Macedonians...the rest of the world sees them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Nobody equates them to the Macedonians of old...Everybody equates them to Serbo-Bulgarians that have been Indoctrinated to think of themselves as Macedonians.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they equate themselves to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Only in FYRoM can you see Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs prostrate themselves beneath giant statues of Alexander the Great and King Philip of Macedon in posture of exaltation. Only in FYRoM can you see giant statues of medieval Bulgarian Kings alongside statues of ancient-Greek Kings, as if to give the impression their is kinship between the two. Only in FYRoM do they confuse Greek things with Bulgarian things.

Nowhere but in FYRoM do they resent ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism with a passion. Bred for purpose and kept that way by a Slavist based Ideology which seeks to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs.

Now is the time for the Greeks to insist on an apology...for the twenty odd years FYRoM has spent Rubbishing them and their history.
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Alexander the Great was not a Slav. How the hell did this get so many posts ?
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There are no reasons left, to justify the continuation of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece. The main tenets of the problem...that (i) The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage are adhered to, endorsed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office and supported by scholars who are reputed to be the best in the field. With backing such as this, Greece is seen Internationally to be holding the moral and academic higher ground. For FYRoM to continue with it's persistence to be recognized after a Greek-Hellenic name, is doing the country more harm than good at the International level. For FYRoM to insist that they have right to the Macedonian name based on an equilibrium with Greece, is not shared outside of FYRoM itself. Greeces historic rights to that name supersede those of FYRoM.

That FYRoM has right to national self-Identity is not in dispute. The right to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian name for ethnic and racial use, and for cultural linguistic use is in dispute.

By maintaining, that (i) The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domian and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage, Greece is seen to be holding on to the moral and academic higher ground. There are no global-politicians or world diplomats that would willingly stray from those tenets, just as there are no professional academics or reputable scholars of Graeco-Roman history that would do the same.

FYRoM is in a political-quagmire of it's own making...to continue with it's insistence on being recognized as a nation of Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense goes against what is actually known about them...it flies in the face of what the world knows about South-Slavs. And for some in FYRoM to insist that they are not South-Slavs, flies in the face of what Slavdom know about them.

Any which-way FYRoM turns...they cannot justify the want to use the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is known, all of those Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

There are simply no reasons left for FYRoM to continue with it's persistence, that it has right to the Macedonian name based on an equilibrium with Greece. FYRoM's perceived rights are secondary to those of Greece based purely on national perspectives, without the need to delve too far back into history. Ofcourse, the historic aspect only pushes FYRoM's claims further behind those of Greece.

The message is crystal clear...There are no reasons left, to justify the continuation of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece.

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